Why is there a lack of trees in residential areas in DFW?

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Jewcandy1@reddit

Black/Brick clay soils vs sandy clay soil and a difference of almost 20 inches of rain per year, that's why.

Trees drink water and destroy foundations faster in North Texas due to our soil type and avg rainfall.

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nevvvvi@reddit

Black/Brick clay soils vs sandy clay soil

Yes, soil type is another unappreciated factor regarding tree coverage. You can see this on Lake Ray Roberts, look at the relatively wooded Johnson Branch of the area compared to either side.

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If you're looking for natural trees, you need to look near rivers and their tributaries. North Texas is in the southern Great Plains, an area generally that does not have a lot trees due to low rainfall. There should be more natural prairies if anything.

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Homey-Airport-Int@reddit

Dallas itself gets pretty solid rainfall. Go take a look at Dallas avg rainfall relative to other cities you think of as rainy or quite green and you'll be surprised.

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ContextWorking976@reddit

It's not consistent though. We go through signficant draughts much more frequently than other rainy cities. DFW is on the dryline between. The dryline where the hot dry air from the west meets humid air from the gulf is constantly shifting over DFW. It's a constant cycle of a few years of more than average rain followed by a few years of draught.

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nevvvvi@reddit

Additionally, Dallas also gets quite hot relative to those other cities the user may have in mind. So, that means that, even given similar rainfall, Dallas is subject to more evaporation (and, thus, dessication).

For example, Charlotte (43 inches) and Dallas (39 inches) aren't too far off from each other in terms of annual rainfall. But, not only does Dallas dry out more during the summer (particularly July and August), it also gets much hotter on average during those months (Charlotte barely breaks 90°F at hottest, whereas Dallas is 97°F for both months).

Charlotte, North Carolina - Wikipedia

Dallas - Wikipedia

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Temporary_Nail_6468@reddit

This. My house is in a suburb but built in the 80’s and backs up to a creek. They didn’t clear cut the lot. I actually have two tree “wells” where they built up the ground and didn’t cut down the trees. I have seven trees in the landscaped portion of the yard and a ton more outside the fence bordering the creek. But that’s also why we bought this house. It was a great lot and yard that had an acceptable house on it.

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ContextWorking976@reddit

Same, close to the Trinity. I have at least 3 post oaks that are probably older than my grandparents.

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MaybeBaby716@reddit

DFW sits on a real ecological transition zone. Dallas is where the greener East Texas tree line starts, while Fort Worth transitions into the more open prairie landscape of West Texas…so anything east of Dallas has more trees. Anything west, less trees.

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nevvvvi@reddit

There is one slim vertical slice of "Cross Timbers" that cuts through eastern portions of Denton and Tarrant counties. It's still drought tolerant blackjack oaks and post oaks, but there's more in the way of tree growth relative to the surrounding prairie lands (Blackland Prairie east, Grand Prairie west).

That's why if you go to Lake Ray Roberts, notice that the northern peninsular is relatively wooded compared to either side east or west.

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Sbeast86@reddit

It varies from are to area. New neighborhoods don't have much, as they bulldoze everything then plant cheap, fast growing, short lived trees like Bradford Pears after construction is done. The older neighborhoods (pre 2005 ish). They built around the existing oak trees and generally tried to have more shade.

The new DFW suburbs are fucking disgusting with the lack of real greenery

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DiceDawson@reddit

largest urban hardwood forest in America!

I thought that was Oak Lawn in June.

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quackboxenthusiast@reddit

I’m curious what posh parts you’re thinking of. Park cities, Lakewood, and Preston hollow all have great tree cover throughout the neighborhoods. Once you start getting out to the developments that were built on farm land yes it’s gets pretty thin, but that’s to be expected.

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SimpleVegetable5715@reddit

Preston Hollow had a lot more trees before that tornado in 2019. You can still almost see the path that took by the lack of trees. Same for that bit of Richardson that it hit.

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metalspin@reddit

royal lane lost all trees between midway and 75

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valiantdistraction@reddit

He's probably thinking of Frisco, lol

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Beautiful-View-8670@reddit

Posh yeah right

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metalspin@reddit

i live in lake highlands and have no idea what you’re talking about. i want to die when it’s leaf time. southern oaks in spring and oaks in fall. worth it though. sometimes

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Fetaisbeta-6979@reddit

Also flagging that trees, especially older trees, are very susceptible to damage in storms and in my neighborhood we’ve had big groups of trees be blown over from straight line winds- it’s worse after a very dry and hot summer. I live in Lake Highlands and it’s a mix of old and tiny new trees for this reason as people try to replace them.

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zughzz@reddit

Its a plains land, it takes a good 30 years to have decently sized trees, and not a lot of people are planting them

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PrimaryAd3696@reddit

There’s plenty of trees in my neighborhood

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MickeyDog77@reddit

People on here explaining the lack of trees when there is in fact - no lack of trees! This post should be immediately dismissed by everyone because it is so very untrue.

And as far as the suburbs, give it a few years. Newly planted trees need time to grow ya know.

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SugoiHubs@reddit

I guess you’ve only seen newer developments. Older neighborhoods have plenty of trees. Me and most of my neighbors have 125+ year old elm or oak trees in our yards.

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playballer@reddit

With respect, you’re also failing to consider what the same 125 year old trees in Houston climate look like. That’s part of OPs frame of reference.

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old_lady_admin@reddit

Are you possibly noticing this in the areas of Preston Hollow where the tornado in 2019 took out a bunch of trees? Those area do look very bare

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Beautiful-View-8670@reddit

Is that why they've built those new, modern houses amongst the old?

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SimpleVegetable5715@reddit

The land is worth a lot more than many of the houses on that land. It’s a shame because some of those houses have really cool interiors, like a ton of beautiful custom wood build ins. Now they’re getting replaced by those bland white boxes.

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playballer@reddit

Yeah the old houses are nice but honestly many of them are starting to / have been kind of falling apart. 70-80 year old concrete slab foundations that had a low standard of structural engineering in those days just are at or beyond the expected end of life. In my section of the neighborhood the older homes are constantly getting yards dug up because plumbing and sewage pipes need full replacement, foundation repair is needed, etc. At some point people just don’t want to keep fixing up the house and just scrap it for a new one since people in the area can afford it - generally. Or, more likely, it’s a natural progression of old person forced to downsize so sells their failing house to a developer.

I personally have done major foundation repair, replaced plumbing and had to replace a fully corroded gas line at one point or another (have had a couple homes, not all was on same home). But now I just said screw it and have a new construction. I actually like the moder style but do prefer when they were all 1 story. Almost any new construction is 2 stories and that changes the whole look and privacy is reduced for everyone.

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KarmaLeon_8787@reddit

Yeah, looks horrible. Wish I could close my eyes when driving to North Haven Gardens so I don't have to look at the white monstrosities in that lovely neighborhood.

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Roadrunnr61@reddit

The trend of taking down smaller houses and building huge ones in N. Dallas has been going on for many years. However, there is a line going from somewhere west of the tollroad to 75, roughly along Royal Ln, where there are many new homes due to the tornado.

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SimpleVegetable5715@reddit

I was with a friend around Marsh and Walnut Hill that night. I have a feeling that neighborhood will never look the same. Something I always loved about that neighborhood before were the big old trees.

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omgfloofy@reddit

Yeah, I was here to comment on this. It looks super bizarre when I drive through the area.

(Did you know that you can actually see the path of the tornado via satellite because of this, too?)

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playballer@reddit

From Houston too but been here a long while now. Trees are here but seem less because they grow slower. Even at mature heights , they don’t get very tall or big like in Houston. The humidity and extra rain Houston gets is helping a lot. DFW also doesn’t have the variety of species or whatever it’s called for plants in general. The fact DFW gets hard freezes and brutal dry summers means not as many types grow here.

The big old live oaks all over Houston but like you see near zoo/museum district/west u. DFW has same live oaks but they don’t thrive as much here. I noticed this a lot and really miss tall trees. I don’t love pine cones or needles but I do miss the height and sometimes density of them.

Next time you drive back/forth on 45, if you look for it you really can notice a transition point where over the course of about 10 miles the tree sizes shrink when driving north I feel it’s most obvious. I usually want to place it around Buffalo.

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duncandreizehen@reddit

It all depends on when the particular place was built really nice trees are generally 30 years old

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JoyrideIllusion@reddit

Different climates and different trees. Houston gets a lot more precipitation and has a higher water table which is why you get the large pines.

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dallascowboys93@reddit

My brain read that last word wrong

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110397@reddit

A hungry man thinks of bread

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svpz@reddit

There was a whole story on npr a while back, explaining how poor neighborhoods gets less trees, where rich neighborhoods are covered in green

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Icy_Huckleberry_8049@reddit

depends on when it was built

Lots of neighborhoods have plenty of trees

You just have a narrow focus

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BadHorsemonkey@reddit

If you own a house and like trees, get one every year for free from the city.

https://dallascityhall.com/departments/waterutilities/Pages/branch-out-dallas.aspx

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JokersGlascowSmile@reddit

There’s not. Go to any neighborhood in East Dallas or Oak Cliff. There’s nine 60-80 year old trees on my property alone.

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dan1361@reddit

I thought Dallas statistically had like, a shitton of trees? Am I misremembering that?

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ViolentSkyWizard@reddit

There's a fuck ton of trees in dfw.

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I_Can_Barely_Move@reddit

Small trees and such little diversity among them.

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JokersGlascowSmile@reddit

I’ve got three giant pecans, two mulberries, a Bradford pear, crepe myrtle, red oak, and pistachio all on my property. Cardinals, blue jays, Carolina chickadees, woodpeckers, red breasted robin, mockingbirds have all made their homes in them. Pretty diverse.

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I_Can_Barely_Move@reddit

You are an exception. Not the rule.

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Aggressive_Apple_470@reddit

When I first came to Dallas, I asked why all the trees were so small.

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I_Can_Barely_Move@reddit

Getting excited over them is like losing your mind over the wildlife after seeing ants at a park.

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Aggressive_Apple_470@reddit

What's real awful/funny is that when I moved down, I moved in with my spouse who lived in a concrete covered area with very little trees at all in Irving.

I grew up with a forest(oak, maple, pine and white sycamore) next door and on a lake up in the great lake region and so I was not adjusting well between the lack of nature and the social differences... so when the lease was up I found apartments surrounded by beautiful OLD oak trees. Huge.

Not even a year living there and...they started cutting them down.

Moved again next to LLELA and the lake. Lots of nature, trees are smaller still, but muuuch better for me.

That was over 6 years ago and we still have a stump sized log we took from one of the oak trees they cut down.

I really like trees.

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I_Can_Barely_Move@reddit

I understand. I’ve spent little time around the Great Lakes region, but I’m from the PNW. The trees in my backyard were about 5 stories high. Nothing I saw anywhere around North Texas remotely compared to even modest offerings around PNW.

When my boss from Austin went to Oregon to visit her son, she came back and exclaimed, “The trees there! The trees are dominating!”

I had never thought to put it that way. One would never have such a reaction to Dallas’s trees.

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fadedblackleggings@reddit

Way more trees than I expected. But you can also tell a lot has been clear cut for housing development.

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yamorondog@reddit

A fuck ton is my favorite unit of measurement. Greater than a shit ton.

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Comfortable-Study-69@reddit

The statistic’s a little misleading since most of them are down in the Great Trinity Forest in southeast Dallas, but Dallas does have a pretty good amount of trees in residential areas to the point where I’m a little confused by OP’s question.

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AccordingFox9168@reddit

Trinity Forest is the largest urban hardwood forest in America! And Trinity Forest golf course has zero trees (on the course).

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Rakebleed@reddit

and we’re reminded every time the wind blows too hard and we lose power

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Adddicus@reddit

LMAO, I had 1/3rd of an acre before I moved to Texas, and it literally had dozens, probably over a hundred trees.

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hyperspacebigfoot@reddit

Really? The inner burbs all have good tree coverage. The newer developments are built on former ag land

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DependentAd235@reddit

Yeah, Richardson, Plano and even Carrollton are all fine.

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MisterMysterion@reddit

As is Grapevine, Coppell, Hurst...

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5yrup@reddit

Yeah, I never understand what they're talking about and then I remember not a lot of the rest of the Metroplex looks like Richardson.

But yeah, the big reason are a lot of these newer subdivisions flung out all over the place were either previously farms or were practically clear cut when built out. They won't have good tree coverage for another few decades. I couldn't stand living in a place where all the horizon everywhere I can walk is just roofs.

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earthworm_fan@reddit

People forget we're in a different eco region and hardiness zone than Houston

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SwissArmyFife@reddit

Definitely no lack of trees where I live on the border of Carrollton / Lewisville 🤷‍♂️

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Homey-Airport-Int@reddit

There was a thread yesterday in a nonlocal sub of some random new townhouse development, the backside which looked like shit because it's all paved for driveways. Anyway, tons of comments about how Dallas has no trees. It's insane. How can you drive in any of the residential areas, including the shitty ones in South and West Dallas, and not see trees fucking everywhere?

The newer developments are by and large not in Dallas.

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UnknownQTY@reddit

Even if they are on old ag land, developers clear cut the trees they are there anyway. They’re generally not great “residential” trees and it’s just easier.

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YaGetSkeeted0n@reddit

yep. landscaping regulations will generally require new site trees but usually only like 2 caliper inches, not exactly a big hefty full grown oak

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earthworm_fan@reddit

Oak trees are slow growing. It takes 25+ years to get a decent sized love oak

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TexasReallyDoesSuck@reddit

this person likely saw a post on the front page that was deriding dallas' tree coverage

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mal_guinness@reddit

Honestly the reason Dallas is where it is is because it was founded on a river at the edge of a tree line. Forest to the east of downtown plains to the west. It's that simple

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OpenLibram@reddit

Fellow Houstonian that moved here.

Welcome to the endless grey of DFW. I've found that really the only place that gives me similar vibes to Houston is Allen with regards to tree cover

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BrensPal@reddit

I’m originally from Dallas and currently in Houston. And just today, looking out a 21st floor window said to my husband that Houston is so much greener than Dallas. And we lived in Carrollton on a creek.

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Right_Bike_5416@reddit

I've lived in Dallas since 1997 and I've never really noticed a lack of trees.

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somethingnottaken7@reddit

Many suburbs were created from farmland. They knock Dow. The weeds and houses go up. Trees take time to grow.

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Optimistiqueone@reddit

Dallas neighborhoods have plenty of trees per lot. You may be talking about the suburbs. Which was farmland or they cut the trees down to build the subdivision.

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mkitch55@reddit

The basic reason is that Dallas was built on a prairie, and Houston was built on a swamp.

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Mesquiter@reddit

Also, foundation repair experts will tell you to remove trees because that is what is making your foundation crack. Then your house gets impossible to cool off during peak summer temperaturew.

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markypy1234@reddit

Next time you fly into Dallas, look out the window. It’s full of trees everywhere

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fangifangi@reddit

We lost a lot of, old mature trees in the tornado in north Dallas. The 75 freeway noise really increased without the trees. Sad! I still miss them.

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SimpleVegetable5715@reddit

Probably because we’ve had a bunch of derechos in recent years, a historically hot summer in 2023, and an EF3 tornado in 2019. The trees haven’t had a chance to recover.

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Intelligent_Shift250@reddit

We have so many trees in our neighborhood when the wind kicks up we worry about them falling. The mayor of Richardson is a tree guy. He ran an organization that planted 100 s of trees about 15 years ago.

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peachtreeparadise@reddit

New developments = new trees

Plus some people are dumb and don’t realize that trees make oxygen which we need to breathe

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OtherlandGirl@reddit

Same, we have LOTS of mature trees

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Significant_Buy_9615@reddit

I see in a ton of trees and greenspace in north dallas.

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Buehler_DFW@reddit

That’s why I love flower mound, very established and full of trees.

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BranSolo7460@reddit

Old growth trees get removed, neighborhood gets built, then landscaping comes in and sparsely plants tiny, cheap trees.

It's because DFW developers hate nature.

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not_care_my_username@reddit

If you want to compare, let’s give California a visit.

I lived in California for 20 years and moved to DFW in 2017. There is a lot more tree in TX than CA!

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Loud_Inspector_9782@reddit

A big part of Fort Worth never had trees. Most of what you see were planted. I suspect as new home neighborhoods mature so will the newly planted trees.

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fadedblackleggings@reddit

Yeah, feeling like people are being facitiouos here. Parts of FW, and North Dallas, Allen, Princeton, etc., are just super flat, no trees anywhere for miles.

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smokybbq90@reddit

Before houses it was open fields or farm land. Trees are expensive so best case a developer plants a 10' oak that will take 30 years to be a decent size.

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babexo4@reddit

All the older neighborhoods have plenty of trees, this is a new Dallas issue.

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LAJimm9@reddit

I was thinking about that the other day and marveled at the amount of trees. Perception or location I guess.

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Snobolski@reddit

Why are you trolling /r/dallas, /u/Ihats2 ?

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anyoutlookuser@reddit

Tree coverage is good in most places. The 2010-2015 drought played havoc on a lot of trees in n Texas. Many were damaged or even killed, still falling apart today as a result.

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nomadschomad@reddit

Have you driven through UP or HP? Trees form an archway all the way across the street on most blocks.

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Lucyinthskyy@reddit

I’ve lived in the Houston suburbs and Dallas suburbs and in both cities any well established neighborhood has a decent amount of trees and in both cities newer master planned communities are seriously lacking in trees .

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BothEntertainment00@reddit

Depending on your property they are expensive to maintain and can cause plumbing and foundation issues. Newer lots are small and it is not wise to plant a tree a few feet away.

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fdctrp@reddit

Texas needs a tree protection mandate ASAP. North Texas actually had many many native trees but they allowed developers to just cut them down instead of relocating them

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bemvee@reddit

Developers like to cut down all the trees on a lots and they don’t have to replace the tree if the removal didn’t require a permit.

Most residential lots don’t require permits to remove established trees cause most residential suburban lots are under an acre.

Ever fly into Maryland after dark? All the street & house lights down below look like they’re flickering on and off - it’s the trees. You don’t get that flying into Dallas, not at that scale. Also, in Maryland you can barely tell that you’re driving right by a shopping center or another town - the roads and highways are lined with trees, behind the stores are even more trees, and the trees don’t fully clear out around exit ramps and intersections. Their store signs also don’t tower over…anything. They don’t tower at all.

Look, Texas has beautiful lands. But DFW is ugly as hell. So is Houston, Austin, San Antonio. I’m assuming El Paso, too. Obviously Midland-Odessa, Amarillo, Lubbock, and other moderate sized cities to moderate sized towns like Abilene. Because it’s just how Texas builds its cities - keeping what Liz Lemon thinks Jay-Z says in mind with each new development:

Concrete bunghole where dreams are made up.

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CrownedClownAg@reddit

Looks outside at the massive oak in my front yard as well as across the street

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FuturePath6357@reddit

global warming

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Pure-Ninja-9250@reddit

I live in "Red Oak"", just south of Dallas and grew up in the "Oak" Cliff section of Dallas. I was lucky. I agree though that a lot of newer areas were built on what was prairie.

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PsyferousMetal@reddit

Richardson, Plano, the city, Addison, and maybe in Carrollton are full trees. It’s further up north and even east you go that that trees become nonexistent. Frisco is decent. Prosper, Celina, Princeton has zero trees, Wylie neighborhoods are barren as well.

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KarmaLeon_8787@reddit

Garland has plenty of trees. So many that the city "accidentally" cut them down in a designated forest preserve. And developers rip them out by the hundreds: lost 777 trees at the former Eastern Hills Country Club, over 1000 at another development site. Still touting its reputation as a Tree City USA, though.

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toodleroo@reddit

Which posh parts are you talking about? Maybe neighborhoods that are newer than 20 years old? With new construction, most lots are completely cleared and graded. Growing trees takes time.

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burgerzkingz@reddit

My neighborhood and a lot of neighborhoods in my area have a shit ton of trees and I live near desoto

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AnastasiaNo70@reddit

On the one hand, Dallas is on a prairie, which typically don’t have a lot of trees.

But there are plenty of older neighborhoods with great canopies. You just have to look for them.

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fbc546@reddit

There really isn’t, you must be looking at one specific neighborhood but I’m pretty sure Dallas has one of the highest concentration of trees in a city believe it or not. Source: google it

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Riots42@reddit

Im from the New Caney area (north of houston) and the trees and forests are just way more denser down there than up here. Like get out of the metroplex to a similar town like Caddo and there is some forest but alot more open land than you see down there.

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Adddicus@reddit

Coming from the Northeast, where there are basically trees everywhere they haven't been cut down, there is a general lack of trees in the DFW area. I noticed it when I flew in. The only signifcant tree growth was on either side of watercourses, and it didn't extend far from the water.

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Kathw13@reddit

A lot of our trees were destroyed by tornadoes.

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Beautiful-View-8670@reddit

More posh parts as in?? There are wonderful trees in the wealthier neighborhoods

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Liberteabelle1@reddit

My observation?

Big difference living on a prairie vs a semitropical bayou area. Dallas has to plant non-native trees and water them to assure their growth. Houston has native tree species like pine that are lush naturally (plenty of rain and humidity), as opposed to, say, cottonwoods in DFW.

So the maturity and density of trees in DFW is dependent on how old the area is, because they planted their trees long ago. The further out from the center, the newer the developments, where developers put a measly baby tree in that takes 10-15 years just to START looking like a reasonable shade tree.

Side gripe… one cheap tree that grows fast is the Bartlett Pear, which flowers beautifully, but they are weak and don’t last very long. Neighborhoods with a lot of Bartlett pear trees quickly look pretty quick, but then they did out and the neighborhood looks scraggly.

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Expert_Bedroom_544@reddit

I noticed this too when I moved here from Houston! I noticed some parts of oak cliff and east Dallas do have decent tree cover but not nearly as much as houston. Age of the area I’m guessing?

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NYerInTex@reddit

A quick googs…

“Dallas has a 32% tree canopy cover, which is higher than the national average of 27% for urban areas”

Fwiw, that’s pushing 20% more than the national average.

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valiantdistraction@reddit

Are you talking about newer subdivisions?

The actual cities themselves have good tree coverage, and the older suburbs do as well.

Dallas also has the problem of high winds which take out trees - like a good quarter of the trees in my neighborhood got significantly damaged or uprooted the other year.

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Few-Conflict2371@reddit

They are very distinct and separate geographic areas. Houston and eastward towards the East Coast is in the Piney Woods area, whereas Dallas is in the Prairie. The difference is significantly attributable to the amount of rainfall. If you ever want to see where the switch occurs, get on Interstate 30 and drive eastward toward Louisiana, and you will see the almost abrupt transition from the Prairie to the Piney Woods. That was a very good question.

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OneMaharajah@reddit

We have a decent amount of trees. Are you mistaking that for tall trees? Cause the average oak trees in Dallas don’t really grow super tall like that. I also could be biased about tree coverage cause McKinney has a good amount of trees

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PM_ME_YER_MUDFLAPS@reddit

Lived in Houston during the 90’s, and I don’t really count pine trees as true trees.

Oak, sweetgum, paper birch, and maple. Those are real trees.

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westcoastlmtd@reddit

Trees especially mature trees make a neighborhood feel real and special. Look at Old Preston Hollow and then go up to Preston Hollow north of Kelsey. Way different feel and the prices of those homes north of Kelsey are much less in part due to the character of that section having little to no trees.

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dallasuptowner@reddit

Dallas has the largest urban forest in the US but sure, cheap farmland that KB Homes bought in Frisco in the early 2000s doesn't have big tree vibes.

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boldjoy0050@reddit

It’s because Dallas is the lower Great Plains. Not enough rain for large trees like will be in more coastal areas.

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jalapenos10@reddit

Even uptown has decent tree coverage. I never understand this

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Boo-Bees67@reddit

Lots are tiny so there’s no room for large trees

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No_Bend8@reddit

You're in the wrong areas. Dallas has a fuckton of trees

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JPhi1618@reddit

I totally know what you mean. I lived around Austin for a while and when I moved here, it seemed like a flat, treeless area with nothing but concrete, but now that I’ve lived here more, I realize it was just where I was living and my commute. Where I live now has a ton of trees and the areas I travel in are nice and green. I guess what I’m saying is that some areas are like that, but that’s not “Dallas” in general.

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lobohog@reddit

Pretty much every neighborhood and subdivision in DFW have at least 1-2 trees on every lot. Trees in neighborhoods that are less than 10 years old are of course smaller and less noticeable. Any established neighborhood around 20 or more years old typically have lots of large mature trees.

If you’re referring to the surface streets that aren’t “neighborhood streets,” it’s case by case whether or not that city has decided to decorate with trees. Also, Dallas trees are not typically the 100 foot pine trees you see everywhere in Houston.

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