Reddit atheists wouldn’t have been as hated if they weren’t so annoying. Also them tunnel visioning christianity and forgetting about the other often times more um, questionable Abrahamic religions, didn’t help either.
Maybe before your time, but 4chan used to be one of the biggest atheist, anti-religion websites. But then it became the norm to hate on religion and be pro-science, and because 4chan has to be the antithesis of online normies, they essentially psy-op'd themselves into being religious, likely at first ironically, but who knows at this point.
Post 9/11 there was a constant psyop to make being conservative, capitalist and regressive cool, counterculture and anti establishment in the minds of young white men. They finally cracked the formula with 2016 and 4chan
I hate this obsession some people have with being counterculture. We get it, you feel like your life has no meaning unless you’re against the man, man. It’s just shallow and pathetic watching people go “nuh uh, *we’re* the real punks!”
Form your own opinions and beliefs. There will be times in your life where those beliefs are counterculture and times where they’re mainstream. It doesn’t really matter as long as you have real principles and stick to them.
No, it isn't - it's an oversimplification of the human experience and a dismissal of countless hopes and dreams. "Most" is doing a lot of insidious work in that statement.
Good to see a fellow oldfren. I remember when it was still left leaning, or at least apolitical. Imagine my surprise when I was off the site since 09 and returned in 2020.
I also remember the trolling on Tom Green's shitty web show. Good times.
It's been interesting to watch 4chan pivot from generally being rational, logical people who support science and reason in the early aughts to soup-brained Christian nationalists in the modern day. I don't mind people being religious or spiritual, but that level of it is a psychic disease. If there are aliens watching, they're laughing their asses off at us.
I’ve noticed the Reddit psyop as well. I suspect it’s because they don’t want to accept that their funny greentext factory wasn’t always like it was.
4chan was so left leaning that they had to censor the N word because it was being posted so much that advertisers didn’t want to be seen on the website. Crazy.
Not being critical of other prominent religions made atheists seem like whiny kids just mad that their parents wouldn’t let them use their gameboy at church.
America isn't a Muslim country, it's a Christian one, which is why they embrace every non-Christian group, including Islam to progress their agenda even though their group is beheaded in Islam countries.
A certain country is turning people antisemitic by simply being itself. Now that the public is being made aware of the many warcrimes done in the name of the dominant religion of said country, the general public, leftists especially, have a growing disdain of the the groups who follow that religion
Everyone calls them Reddit atheist now, but that's not how it started. They were very much in the real world and a direct counter to the Evangelical ban everything Christians of the mid 80s to 90s.
I've seen too many "studies" and "findings" that conveniently align with the agendas of their financial backers to be skeptical of science all the same.
The rhetoric IS annoying don't get me wrong but I do feel people moved on too quickly from the conversation. People should continue to discuss religion and of course at a certain point the atheist will say that religion doesn't make sense. It's just that there's a better way and place to say it.
and of course at a certain point the atheist will say that religion doesn't make sense
Religion is a belief wholly invented and perpetuated by humans.
The sentence above alone is the only thing you need to prove that all religion "doesn't make sense." Full stop. None of the magic sky gods exist. Nothing happens after you die. Hell doesn't exist and neither does heaven. You (mass you) simply """""""believe""""""" it does.
That's entirely the point. There is no argument. Religion simply doesn't exist, full stop. It's not an atheist's fault you have a mental disorder and refuse to open your eyes.
dude please shut up bro. you accomplish nothing by saying this. you think it makes it convincing? you could be telling me snow is white and if you said it this way i'd still find it less believable than before you said it. i would start to doubt whether snow is actually white.
Snow isn't "white," regard. For the exact same reason why the sky isn't "blue." Reason why we know this? Because science can prove it. Not because we brainlessly stick to """""""""beliefs."""""""""
I’m sure all your beliefs about how the universe works will be completely outdated in a century as new evidence comes to light and new theories are made and old theories are reformed.
If reality objectively exists outside of human perception, and we haven’t discovered all there is to discover, then the possibility of what we already believe to be true according to the latest and greatest scientific consensus is probably wrong or at best only partially correct.
If that’s the case, what exactly is your worldview? How did we get here, what’s out there, and how will it all end? Whatever your answers are probably wrong and we’ll get ever closer to the truth as the centuries march on. With that being said, how exactly is your worldview different than the fairy tales of other religions?
If you believe your worldview is correct, then you must disavow scientific consensus of the future. If your worldview shifts to the latest scientific consensus, you have to admit your current beliefs are false. This isn’t a false dichotomy, it just is what it is.
brother, philosophy invented science. there is no science without assumption and reasoning around assumptions. what the fuck are you talking about. you treat science like some kind of god and not the tool that it is. people knew things before science. it's not a god. calm your stemlord ass down.
It's funny cause if you go far back enough you realize that it's completely illogical to believe there was no outside influence. The very laws that science has helped us understand say that it just cannot be possible in any way. But yeah I guess it's perfectly logical that all the laws of the universe just decided to not be present at that one point in time.
It’s easy to point fingers at the science of the past, but you can only draw a logical conclusion based on the evidence you have at the time. Scientists of the past might not have been objectively correct, but their ideas were based on the evidence available to them.
It’s easy to point and laugh at stuff like miasma theory, but when you have no way of knowing about bacteria and viruses, all you know is that people get sick when they’re around other sick people. What other explanation could there be other than bad air?
Lemaitre was not trying to "prove the universe was created by God". Quite the opposite.
In 1951, Pope Pius XII tried to make the claim that the Big Bang theory (the 1950's version) proved that God created the universe. Lemaitre was in the audience and was so upset by this that he worked with a colleague to convince the pope not to make any further statements linking his work to religion.
He was indeed a Catholic priest, but he was also a super legit astrophysicist who took objectivity very seriously. He went out of his way to avoid accusations of religious bias in his work.
My bad, he just sought to prove the universe had a definite beginning, as the vast majority of physicists at the time were operating under a solid state model. Ofc he didn't believe his work had anything to do with God creating the universe. How could I be so stupid as to think a Catholic priest would have such a motivation? Especially since he made an effort to remind people that it isn't a formal proof of the existence of God?
I appreciate the sarcasm, but you're welcome to read his thoughts on the subject for yourself if you so desire.
Very early in his studies, he tried to make a claim about how black body radiation correlated to creationism since all matter emits a form of light, but he quickly abandoned that and then spent the rest of his career trying to distance himself from that sort of thing.
He felt there was no inherent conflict and religion, and therefore it was not his role or objective to prove or disprove the existence of God.
Always funny the debate of creationism and evolutionism, I grew up on nat geo got taught all the evolution stuff from there before I got sent to a private (Christian) school and was taught about creationism. it always seemed weird to choose one over the other cause at the time I was playing god games and the one that stuck out to me the most was Spore which funny enough fits the bill of creationism’s and evolutionism. You literally make your own people and ignore the rest ,Gods chosen type of deal, except you prune the best gens to ensure your peoples survival and then at some point you kinda just stop playing the game except this worlds god stop playing a lot earlier.
But even this way of thinking was flawed as I grew up cause you inevitably come to a conclusion it’s all theory no one was at the beginning.
Oh right but the big bang? Makes perfect sense even though every angle violates at least one law of our existence. The creation of the universe necessitates supernatural influence of SOME kind.
'cos eventually you get to problems like baryon asymmetry, the constants values, and others hiding at the bottom that make you second guess everything as not being what you thought.
I've made a generalization there.
Metaphysics often ties into science as it shaoes how we interpret scientific findings. Modern physics often hit a wall where experiments can't go further, at which point scientists turn to metaphysical reasoning.
I mean, it's not so much a "generalization" and more so an entirely false statement? lol. Lemons aren't apples just because you used some lemon for your apple pie.
Metaphysics goes beyond science, hence the name. It may draw from scientific conclusions that have previously been made, but conclusions from metaphysical analysis itself are purely philosophical.
Hadnapaton@reddit
Reddit atheists wouldn’t have been as hated if they weren’t so annoying. Also them tunnel visioning christianity and forgetting about the other often times more um, questionable Abrahamic religions, didn’t help either.
BlueHeartBob@reddit
Maybe before your time, but 4chan used to be one of the biggest atheist, anti-religion websites. But then it became the norm to hate on religion and be pro-science, and because 4chan has to be the antithesis of online normies, they essentially psy-op'd themselves into being religious, likely at first ironically, but who knows at this point.
dxfifa@reddit
Post 9/11 there was a constant psyop to make being conservative, capitalist and regressive cool, counterculture and anti establishment in the minds of young white men. They finally cracked the formula with 2016 and 4chan
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
I hate this obsession some people have with being counterculture. We get it, you feel like your life has no meaning unless you’re against the man, man. It’s just shallow and pathetic watching people go “nuh uh, *we’re* the real punks!”
Form your own opinions and beliefs. There will be times in your life where those beliefs are counterculture and times where they’re mainstream. It doesn’t really matter as long as you have real principles and stick to them.
dxfifa@reddit
Most people's values are what brings them the most money and affirmation of their worth that's available and feels natural to pursue
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
How utterly depressing yet true
AHHHHHHHHH_PANIC_NOW@reddit
No, it isn't - it's an oversimplification of the human experience and a dismissal of countless hopes and dreams. "Most" is doing a lot of insidious work in that statement.
Bum_King@reddit
Take your meds
MarthUTilt@reddit
Good to see a fellow oldfren. I remember when it was still left leaning, or at least apolitical. Imagine my surprise when I was off the site since 09 and returned in 2020.
I also remember the trolling on Tom Green's shitty web show. Good times.
token_internet_girl@reddit
It's been interesting to watch 4chan pivot from generally being rational, logical people who support science and reason in the early aughts to soup-brained Christian nationalists in the modern day. I don't mind people being religious or spiritual, but that level of it is a psychic disease. If there are aliens watching, they're laughing their asses off at us.
absolutetkd@reddit
Bots talking to each other to have you believe that 4chan was ever left leaning
magiclong@reddit
I’ve noticed the Reddit psyop as well. I suspect it’s because they don’t want to accept that their funny greentext factory wasn’t always like it was.
4chan was so left leaning that they had to censor the N word because it was being posted so much that advertisers didn’t want to be seen on the website. Crazy.
absolutetkd@reddit
Crazy I know, they also were so left leaning they had a jailbait/loli board.
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
It absolutely was. How old are you??
Star-@reddit
Behold above, a newfag who has never been on a board other than \/pol\/ and \/b\/ and whose birth year has a 2 in the 1st digit.
WisherWisp@reddit
Yup, pseudohistory.
token_internet_girl@reddit
Nah it just happened before you were born babe
Honestly though it was mostly an apolitical place with lots of degeneracy and a strong vein of anti-religious sentiment
nefarious_bread@reddit
I think they started taking the Deus Vult memes too seriously.
dxfifa@reddit
Christians used to be as ripped on as feminists and that was far more based
sorryiamnotoriginal@reddit
Not being critical of other prominent religions made atheists seem like whiny kids just mad that their parents wouldn’t let them use their gameboy at church.
Bum_King@reddit
That is why most of them are anti Christianity to begin with.
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
It's probably because most are from the United States.
Guess which religion is the majority in the US?
HitIerWasWrong@reddit
>post about supernatural board
>"why does reddit only hate christianity?"
The answer is christians
BrocoliAssassin@reddit
I'd say redditors hate Christianity because it's geared more towards white people,especially white men.
buttgrapist@reddit
redditors hate Christianity cuz reddit is a feminist lgbt hivemind
fruitymcfruitcake@reddit
Then why dont they hate muslims or jews?
buttgrapist@reddit
Because they're counter culture.
America isn't a Muslim country, it's a Christian one, which is why they embrace every non-Christian group, including Islam to progress their agenda even though their group is beheaded in Islam countries.
Also a lot of them do hate Jews.
ElkSad7412@reddit
America is a Jewish country.
bannabananabanna@reddit
rape fantasies
Supremely_Zesty@reddit
A certain country is turning people antisemitic by simply being itself. Now that the public is being made aware of the many warcrimes done in the name of the dominant religion of said country, the general public, leftists especially, have a growing disdain of the the groups who follow that religion
Hadnapaton@reddit
Tbh that one is turning around pretty quick as of late 😭
ahackercalled4chan@reddit
because social marxism or something
token_internet_girl@reddit
Except most redditors are white men
buttgrapist@reddit
High estrogen men, gooner simps and gay people. Race doesn't matter.
token_internet_girl@reddit
You say that but every conservative AI video I see has a certain skin tone missing from the protagonists
buttgrapist@reddit
If you're watching ai videos, you're probably watching a algorithm. Wake up brother.
Quero_cosa@reddit
It literally isn't. The vast majority of Christians are brown people. But brown people literally don't matter for leftards and redditors in general.
Only white men arouse them, and so only what white men do matters.
FuckRedzMods3000@reddit
That actually makes a ton of sense. Plus most christians these days are pretty normal and they hate that.
Minosaur@reddit
Because their parents made them go to church
HonestLemon25@reddit
Christianity and Islam*
I’ve never seen one mention Judaism. They criticize Islam more than they do Christianity
Katio13@reddit
Everyone calls them Reddit atheist now, but that's not how it started. They were very much in the real world and a direct counter to the Evangelical ban everything Christians of the mid 80s to 90s.
Sa1LoR_JaRRy@reddit
I've seen too many "studies" and "findings" that conveniently align with the agendas of their financial backers to be skeptical of science all the same.
VatanKomurcu@reddit
The rhetoric IS annoying don't get me wrong but I do feel people moved on too quickly from the conversation. People should continue to discuss religion and of course at a certain point the atheist will say that religion doesn't make sense. It's just that there's a better way and place to say it.
Star-@reddit
Religion is a belief wholly invented and perpetuated by humans.
The sentence above alone is the only thing you need to prove that all religion "doesn't make sense." Full stop. None of the magic sky gods exist. Nothing happens after you die. Hell doesn't exist and neither does heaven. You (mass you) simply """""""believe""""""" it does.
VatanKomurcu@reddit
case in point. y'all really need to learn how to argue without coming across as insufferable.
Star-@reddit
That's entirely the point. There is no argument. Religion simply doesn't exist, full stop. It's not an atheist's fault you have a mental disorder and refuse to open your eyes.
VatanKomurcu@reddit
dude please shut up bro. you accomplish nothing by saying this. you think it makes it convincing? you could be telling me snow is white and if you said it this way i'd still find it less believable than before you said it. i would start to doubt whether snow is actually white.
Star-@reddit
Snow isn't "white," regard. For the exact same reason why the sky isn't "blue." Reason why we know this? Because science can prove it. Not because we brainlessly stick to """""""""beliefs."""""""""
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
I’m sure all your beliefs about how the universe works will be completely outdated in a century as new evidence comes to light and new theories are made and old theories are reformed.
If reality objectively exists outside of human perception, and we haven’t discovered all there is to discover, then the possibility of what we already believe to be true according to the latest and greatest scientific consensus is probably wrong or at best only partially correct.
If that’s the case, what exactly is your worldview? How did we get here, what’s out there, and how will it all end? Whatever your answers are probably wrong and we’ll get ever closer to the truth as the centuries march on. With that being said, how exactly is your worldview different than the fairy tales of other religions?
If you believe your worldview is correct, then you must disavow scientific consensus of the future. If your worldview shifts to the latest scientific consensus, you have to admit your current beliefs are false. This isn’t a false dichotomy, it just is what it is.
VatanKomurcu@reddit
brother, philosophy invented science. there is no science without assumption and reasoning around assumptions. what the fuck are you talking about. you treat science like some kind of god and not the tool that it is. people knew things before science. it's not a god. calm your stemlord ass down.
Quero_cosa@reddit
You're completely ridicolous.
Star-@reddit
Christcuck.
Quero_cosa@reddit
I'm actually Muslim and reporting you for hate.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
shiggy diggy
zrock44@reddit
It's funny cause if you go far back enough you realize that it's completely illogical to believe there was no outside influence. The very laws that science has helped us understand say that it just cannot be possible in any way. But yeah I guess it's perfectly logical that all the laws of the universe just decided to not be present at that one point in time.
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
It’s easy to point fingers at the science of the past, but you can only draw a logical conclusion based on the evidence you have at the time. Scientists of the past might not have been objectively correct, but their ideas were based on the evidence available to them.
It’s easy to point and laugh at stuff like miasma theory, but when you have no way of knowing about bacteria and viruses, all you know is that people get sick when they’re around other sick people. What other explanation could there be other than bad air?
TheMadFlyentist@reddit
Lemaitre was not trying to "prove the universe was created by God". Quite the opposite.
In 1951, Pope Pius XII tried to make the claim that the Big Bang theory (the 1950's version) proved that God created the universe. Lemaitre was in the audience and was so upset by this that he worked with a colleague to convince the pope not to make any further statements linking his work to religion.
He was indeed a Catholic priest, but he was also a super legit astrophysicist who took objectivity very seriously. He went out of his way to avoid accusations of religious bias in his work.
nihongonobenkyou@reddit
My bad, he just sought to prove the universe had a definite beginning, as the vast majority of physicists at the time were operating under a solid state model. Ofc he didn't believe his work had anything to do with God creating the universe. How could I be so stupid as to think a Catholic priest would have such a motivation? Especially since he made an effort to remind people that it isn't a formal proof of the existence of God?
I tip my hat to you good sir!!!!
TheMadFlyentist@reddit
I appreciate the sarcasm, but you're welcome to read his thoughts on the subject for yourself if you so desire.
Very early in his studies, he tried to make a claim about how black body radiation correlated to creationism since all matter emits a form of light, but he quickly abandoned that and then spent the rest of his career trying to distance himself from that sort of thing.
He felt there was no inherent conflict and religion, and therefore it was not his role or objective to prove or disprove the existence of God.
endlessnamelesskat@reddit
Absolutely most based take on his work I’ve ever seen. You’ve single-handedly made me respect the guy twice as much as I already did
Quero_cosa@reddit
Not the own you think it is, lmao. To believe in the big bang it literally takes blind faith
Quero_cosa@reddit
Not the own you think it is, lmao. To believe in the big bang it literally takes blind faith
rooshavik@reddit
Always funny the debate of creationism and evolutionism, I grew up on nat geo got taught all the evolution stuff from there before I got sent to a private (Christian) school and was taught about creationism. it always seemed weird to choose one over the other cause at the time I was playing god games and the one that stuck out to me the most was Spore which funny enough fits the bill of creationism’s and evolutionism. You literally make your own people and ignore the rest ,Gods chosen type of deal, except you prune the best gens to ensure your peoples survival and then at some point you kinda just stop playing the game except this worlds god stop playing a lot earlier.
But even this way of thinking was flawed as I grew up cause you inevitably come to a conclusion it’s all theory no one was at the beginning.
zrock44@reddit
Oh right but the big bang? Makes perfect sense even though every angle violates at least one law of our existence. The creation of the universe necessitates supernatural influence of SOME kind.
FlatMycologist5366@reddit
Real. People need to accept some shit is genuinely just incomprehensible and the only way to find out is to wait and see when you die
Cumsocktornado@reddit
'cos eventually you get to problems like baryon asymmetry, the constants values, and others hiding at the bottom that make you second guess everything as not being what you thought.
Adept-Platypus6676@reddit
Wont magic just become ordinary science once it is studied hard enough?
armacitis@reddit
>go to the schizo board
>ask why they're schizo
FreshBoyChris@reddit
These science dudes keep ignoring that metaphysics is a science.
-StalkedByDeath-@reddit
Metaphysics isn't a science. Science exclusively deals with testing hypotheses, so if it can't be tested, it isn't covered by science.
That's why science can't be used to prove nor disprove anything spiritual, as it mostly relies on faith and can't be tested.
FreshBoyChris@reddit
I've made a generalization there. Metaphysics often ties into science as it shaoes how we interpret scientific findings. Modern physics often hit a wall where experiments can't go further, at which point scientists turn to metaphysical reasoning.
CustardBoy@reddit
It's literally the opposite of science. It intentionally has no basis in reality.
-StalkedByDeath-@reddit
I mean, it's not so much a "generalization" and more so an entirely false statement? lol. Lemons aren't apples just because you used some lemon for your apple pie.
Metaphysics goes beyond science, hence the name. It may draw from scientific conclusions that have previously been made, but conclusions from metaphysical analysis itself are purely philosophical.
the_m4nagement@reddit
100 million virgins can't be wrong.
Knee_Ger_Cmpt13@reddit
SCIOENCE
trainsssssssss@reddit
Has to be bait
NegativeVega@reddit
I'd say it's more just ironic humor than bait, but it looks like people are actually falling for it so maybe not
Demonweed@reddit
Ask not for whom the ghost busts. It busts for thee.