Ukraine accuses Russia of breaking unilateral ceasefire
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imunfair@reddit
That's what happens when you strategically date your ceasefire several days before the date you were actually offered. It was always Zelensky's intent that it would be broken as an excuse to attack the parade during Russia's specified dates.
His whole play has been trying to get hit by an attention-getting strike in hopes of garnering more support - he'd prefer to be nuked since he thinks that will draw a direct western intervention, but Putin has only promised harsh retaliation so Zelensky will take what he can get. Zelensky will be disappointed by the response though, all it's going to net him is another toothless EU sanctions package.
Stix147@reddit
To be clear, they weren't "offered" anything, the Russians didn't even communicate this to Ukraine, they just begged Trump to pressure Ukraine to not attack their tank-less May 9th parade. If Russia can try to establish a unilateral ceasefire, then it's only fair for Ukraine to do the same and if Russia doesn't abide by it then Ukraine has no reason to abide by it either.
Russian aviation just hit a kindergarten in Sumy during this ceasefire, and yesterday they dropped glide bombs on at least three cities and killed tens of people, and the world shrugged. If you think Zelensky doesn't understand this, then you're naive. The point of this ceasefire isn't to get attention.
imunfair@reddit
When you've been begging for a ceasefire for like a year and then don't take one when it's given to you, you look silly. The dominating party has no reason to honor ceasefires declared by the loser just like a boxer doesn't get a time-out when he's on the ropes.
lol it's manufactured pretext, not attention, the attention comes from the harsh response after Ukraine attacks the parade and then cries victim when they get hit with the retribution that was publicly announce would happen if they did.
Stix147@reddit
A one day ceasefire is literally pointless, it's just symbolic, but you're right, after Russia declined so many ceasefire proposals from Ukraine throughout the last year them deciding to unilaterally hold one on May 9th is indeed silly.
Then Russia shouldn't cry when Ukraine literally rains on their parade, flights get canceled and nobody can actually reach Moscow from other countries, they have to issue air raid alerts in Moscow for the first time, and Russia gets thoroughly humiliated.
As opposed to the "retribution" that Russia hits Ukraine with on an almost daily basis? What was yesterday's "retribution" for? Ukraine doesn't have much to lose (and please don't try to suggest that Russia might actually use a nuke).
imunfair@reddit
You'd think after the 50th iteration of "Russia couldn't possibly do more" and then Russia doing more, you guys would stop trying to trot out that silly gotcha like being at war means you've fully committed and fully escalated from day one.
Stix147@reddit
Oh they can do more terrorist strikes, they can expend more cruise missiles to hit apartment buildings in Kyiv, they might even use another Oreshnik with little to no real effect just like the last 2 times, but doing anything to meaningfully impact the course of this war is something which they can't do.
As for escalation, what do you suggest Russia can still do while not attracting international ire, especially from countries which keep their economy afloat?
imunfair@reddit
You and I both know that Ukraine would be rushing to show pictures of the Oreshnik impact sites if there was no real effect. That would be a huge PR win for them, but mysteriously we got zero footage aside from the security cam of the first barrage breaking cloud cover.
I'm hoping Russia uses one on the Ukrainian parliament building or some other high profile site in the middle of Kyiv because that will be really hard for Ukraine to hide the damage, and I'd like to see the aftermath photos from that type of weapon.
Stix147@reddit
In a world where the concept of Opsec didn't exist, sure. Absence of evidence is not evidence of anything, by this definition every drone strike by Ukraine in Moscow which Russians don't show are also all successfully strikes with huge consequences.
Besides, we have the satellite photos of the factory or warehouse in the first strikes, it shows minimal damage, and even Russian millbloggers stated that they didn't think the strike did anything, but I'm glad you claim to know better. Go on Russian Telegram and raise their spirits, they need it nowadays.
They probably wont on account of Kyiv having such a huge air defense network, there's a reason both Oreshnik strikes hit places with little AD cover. If Russia had any confidence in the Oreshnik armed with no explosive warhead, you better bet they would've targeted Kyiv first. And if they did that, Moscow would be fair game for Ukrainian drones too.
imunfair@reddit
It is when Ukraine's government hurries to post pictures of any non-military looking target. I don't know why you're bothering to dispute that they would post Oreshnik impacts if there was no real effect as you claimed, it's pretty disingenuous of you. That was a completely obvious and uncontroversial statement that anyone on either side should be able to agree with if they're discussing it in good faith.
Seeing holes in a roof and claiming there's minimal damage is like seeing the hole from a hollow-point gunshot wound and claiming it didn't do much. The force is released when they stop, not when they punch through a thin wall at mach 10, the same way a bullet goes through a sheet of paper rather than dumping all its force into it.
Ukraine has very little AD left and nothing that can stop an IRBM, much less MIRVs. Silly.
Stix147@reddit
Probably because there was some military equipment involved, that doesn't mean it got destroyed, surely you understand the difference between these two very simple concepts, right? They didn't post videos of the strike on the second target either, and yet again this means nothing. It's good to know that every time Russia doesn't post any videos that means Ukraine did huge damage to them though.
You'd still see smoke, you'd still see something. Given the abysmal accuracy of each of those penetrators, this is not surprising. Again, I'm glad your assessment is better than that of Russia's own military cheerleaders.
They said the same thing about Kinzhals too once, by the way. But sure, Ukraine has no more AD left, and judging by the fact that last week there were 4 refineries on fire in Russia at the sane time, neither do they. So if they want to fuck around and hit the Kyiv government, they can try and find out.
imunfair@reddit
That logic would make sense if Russia routinely posted propaganda videos of failed Ukrainian strikes, but they don't.
Yup and Ukraine can't do anything about those either. They spent like two years showing one single fragment that they claim is the nose cone of one - which the "Russian cheerleaders" as you call them dispute. But even if we accept that it's real it's clear it was a lucky shot because Russia has used dozens, possibly hundreds of them by now.
Reportedly it takes a full patriot salvo just to have a fraction of a chance at a hypersonic, which means you'd get maybe one of the 36 MIRVs if you were lucky. Ukraine doesn't have the capability to take out the missile before they're released. And honestly I'm not even sure if patriots would do anything to an Oreshnik MIRV given that it's an inert warhead.
Stix147@reddit
Neither does Ukraine post videos of strikes on military targets, regardless of effectiveness or lack thereof. It's not a hard concept to understand. Posting strikes on civilian objects doesn't really violate opsec.
As for Kinzhals, Ukraine shot down multiple ever since they received Patriots, and they've also shared this data with the USA, per US sources. It doesn't matter how many salvos it'd take to shoot down a MIRV, if they even get one that would be a huge propaganda win. Again, Russia could've used Oreshnik on Kyiv in both previous strikes but they chose not to, and there's a very good reason for that.
TachiH@reddit
You set your flag wrong mate. it's spelt Russia not United States 👍.
zeigdeinepapiere@reddit
Russia merely stated the consequences of Ukraine attacking Moscow on May 9th though. They were unusually explicit about what they'd do in retaliation so I guess it's up to Ukraine now to decide if the cost is worth it. IMO, I'm skeptical of a direct strike on Moscow but an attack elsewhere seems probable.
TachiH@reddit
There would only be a positive reaction if they hit the parade. Its a MILITARY parade....its a more legitimate target than almost anything the Russians have hit in months.
Fantastic-Ad-2856@reddit
It's almost like someone hasn't been paying attention to whom breaks the ceasefire a that have been established in the past.
There is no good faith talking to orcs.
imunfair@reddit
ftfy. Be less obvious with your slurs and perhaps people will take your silly claims more seriously.
Fantastic-Ad-2856@reddit
Hahahahaha that's some good stuff.
The orcs deserve nothing less and you simping for them makes it even better.
Grow up, and see what's going on.
If Russians get a little upset that they get called names for invading other countries then....too fucking bad.
Past_Structure_2168@reddit
slurs are there to be used and to make people upset. dont let this "freedom fighter" take away your freedom of speech
imunfair@reddit
The irony of using immature language to cope with your team losing a war and then telling the other person to "grow up" when they point out that it makes you look bad. But sure, go ahead, I'm sure Russia's feelings are very hurt by you dehumanizing them on reddit to earn virtual asspats.
Azzagtot@reddit
>To be clear, they weren't "offered" anything
Correct. Russia declared ceasefire on 8 and 9 of May and warned about possible retaliation for attacking Victory Parade.
The rest of you post is propaganda slop.
PutuplastaZapte@reddit
Russia unilateraly declared one ceasefire that wasn't even sent to Ukraine and Ukraine did the same with their ceasefire. Both are worth equally as unilateral ceasefires.
where was he wrong and what is hard to understand?
sakezaf123@reddit
It was a smart move, because he can clearly point at russia's unwillingness to actually keep to a ceasefire. Also it's funny that you think sanctions are ineffective when russians disagree.
imunfair@reddit
They're mutually assured financial destruction, so by their very nature they can't be very effective because the more they hurt Russia the more the EU shoots itself in the foot. And since the EU is the consumer it tends to hurt them more, especially since oil is fungible and demand is relatively inelastic, and natural gas creates a localized shortage in the EU if not laundered through the southern pipeline as they're doing now.
sakezaf123@reddit
Was the EU significantly hurt? Politically sure, since russia spent a lot of money to get this narrative out there, but economically the EU was already paying market price for russian gas, it's more that the market price increased 2x percent. But gas prices before Trump's Iran war were pretty much back to normal. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/o/adaptive-media/image/22447852/Preview-1000x0/electricity-prices-household-consumers-2015-2025.jpg?t=1761640874719
imunfair@reddit
Yes, very much so. Both in terms of debt to partially subsidize energy costs, the remainder of those costs out of consumer pockets especially lower and middle class, additional heavy inflation, manufacturing businesses going under thanks to high energy costs. Probably other impacts too but those are the obvious ones that come to mind - you can go back and search BBC, they had some good articles about bakeries and other businesses you might not expect suffering because of the costs.
Eventually the market routes around the damage, it was normalizing because the EU wouldn't implement secondary sanctions because laundering the oil through China and India was helping to stabilize their prices. That doesn't erase the damage that was already done in the meantime, and still means a higher cost to virtue signal by buying the same oil via proxies to pretend like they're somehow teaching Russia a lesson.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
If russians actually cared about peace, instead of their victory cult orgy, they would have agreed to early ceasefire.
imunfair@reddit
Those darn aggressors, only caring about victory and not "peace" as defined by the loser. How strange.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
What you wrote is nonsense, as peacemongering is one of kremlin's main propaganda narratives.
imunfair@reddit
Wake me up when you can distinguish the difference between stated intent and propaganda narratives. If you'd been paying attention at all you'd know what I said is exactly what Russia has stated as their goal, regardless of how many times they say "sure we want peace" to Trump.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
Oh well, they're gonna have to deploy some cope cages and cope nets for the parade. Boo hoo. Деды наливали!
R1donis@reddit
I mean, Ukraine themself attacked at the same time, so what he even crying about, lol
Azzagtot@reddit
President Vladimir Putin on Monday declared a two-day ceasefire in the conflict with Ukraine on May 8-9 to mark Russia’s World War Two victory
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-declares-may-8-9-ceasefire-with-ukraine-mark-wwii-anniversary-agencies-say-2026-05-04/
Volodymyr Zelenskiy countered with his own proposed pause in fighting starting earlier, on the night of May 5‑6.
Source: same article.
So, Russia declared ceasefire from their side on 8 and 9 of May.
Ukraine declared ceasefire on May 5 and 6 and now complaining that Russia is not abiding to a ceasefire Ukraine declared.
azure_beauty@reddit
The equation is simple enough—if Russia wants a ceasefire on the 9th, start now and you'll have a quiet parade. Entirely their choice.
esjb11@reddit
Well they dont follow said ceasefire themself and struck crimea sonvery little incentive to believe in it.
Felczer@reddit
Why would they? Russia ceasefire proposition is obviously bullshit so Ukraine countered with their own bullshit proposal. Fighting fire with fire, both sides always knew there will be no ceasefire
esjb11@reddit
Perhaps but hence its not entirely there choose as the comment claimed.
Also I do think Russia would honor said one day ceasefire. They want their parade and have nothing to win at not honoring it.
Felczer@reddit
Well last year they declared the ceasefire and broke it so I don't think this year would be different.
esjb11@reddit
Well Ukraine had rejected that one.
Firecracker048@reddit
This would have been a great way for Russia to Garuntee their vicotry day parade doesn't get attacked by Ukraine, by agreeing to a May 5-6 ceasefire which would have given Ukraine a reason to agree to a May 9th ceasefire.
Treinrukker@reddit
Lol Ukraine would be moronic to attack the parade, russia still hasn't really attacked the main gouvernement building in kiev.
fellow90@reddit
oh yes...on 5th year of war russia still holding back myth lmao.
Treinrukker@reddit
Yes they are lmao, they could flatten the rada if they wanted, never wondered why Zelensky his office is still standing?
fellow90@reddit
the same way like they could take Kyiv in 3days, they just decided not to lmao ?
Treinrukker@reddit
Oh brother stop with the nonsense, an american general started that stupid 3 day bs. No russian gouvernement source claimed that.
untilted@reddit
ah yes, the start of the invasion with VDV taking Hostomel and the haphazard russian convoys getting stuck on the way to Kyiv, all scream "long term planning" when the most likely explanation is a decapitation strike against the Ukrainian government and Zelenskyy not doing what someone might expect a post-soviet head of state to do (take the first plane into exile and hope the funds don't run out)
fellow90@reddit
ABSOLUTELY all Kremlin controlled propaganda lapdogs were claiming Kyiv will be taken in 3 days. The narrative for those lapdogs are strictly given from above structures, it doesn't matter if pootin didn't tell this directly himself, all propaganda machine was parroting about 3 days, including lukashenko
you can check funny compilation
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3huKcZD3aQA
Treinrukker@reddit
I asked for a gouvernement source lol, this is like claiming cnn is an official source or fox news when they spew nonsense 😂
fellow90@reddit
why you need government source if all government propaganda machine obviously were channeling narrative they have been ordered to ? All russians believed in 3 days and started parroting that as well. Now it's 5th year and you believe russia in anyway is holding back, while their own cities and refineries burning every single day ahahahah
Azzagtot@reddit
That's not an argument.
If some freak on TV says something it does not mean Putin ordered this opinion to be pushed.
PutuplastaZapte@reddit
If that was a private company like the daily wire - sure, but guys like Leontievand Solovyev are working for Russia-1 and channel one which are state owned and partially state owned
fellow90@reddit
you obviously have no idea how TV works in authoritarian countries.
Azzagtot@reddit
It's really convenient for propaganda to claim that every media is controlled by government and thus every post there is clearly Putin's own opinion.
Felczer@reddit
Seriously dude you have 0 idea how this works
krab2@reddit
what is that even gonna change if they attack rada? Zelensky attacking parade, is huge reputational loss for putin because it's heart of Moscow and such symbolic day for Putin. He doesn't care about rest of his country burning, but hitting Moscow will hurt
esjb11@reddit
While out government officials? Clear sign of payback etc.
Question is if its really a good idea for Ukraine to strike places where XI Ping is. Might give him a more aggressive position in the conflict.
iVladi@reddit
It's been 4 years and not once has Ukr attacked on 9th may, and they're not going to start now.
Vano_Kayaba@reddit
Yeah, but a year ago Ukraine could not hit well protected or distant targets. At least with as high success rate as it is now
esjb11@reddit
Well distant targets can be struck and that has been seen. But they do still signficiantly struggle with striking Moscow. Has been quite some attempts and just few appartmentbuildings has been hit so far.
iVladi@reddit
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/06/moscow-says-it-will-honor-victory-day-ceasefire-despite-ukraines-rejection-a88986
this is easily searchable
Firecracker048@reddit
Yeah that's why Russias been worried this year and asking for the may 9th ceasefire.
I'm gonna go ahead and guess they got some Intel things are planned. Especially sense ukraines attacks have been more and more bold as of late and hitting parts of Russia they really couldn't before
iVladi@reddit
2025: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/06/moscow-says-it-will-honor-victory-day-ceasefire-despite-ukraines-rejection-a88986
Neurobeak@reddit
The Ukrainian side themselves attacked Crimea this night, killing five civilians in Djankoy.
TachiH@reddit
If the parade is anything like the last one it isnt worth hitting. Get better bang for buck hitting refineries again. It would be symbolic but not valuable. Unless you hit Putin himself 🤣
kwonza@reddit
Breaking what ceasefire? Ukraine said there would be a ceasefire on their side from 5 to 6 of May and last night they attacked Crimea killing up to 5 civilians.
Ukraine got so used to Western media just reposting their claims word for word without any fact-checking they aren’t even trying anymore.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
I applaud you for your mental gymnastics.
Zelensky said verbatim:
"We will act reciprocally starting from that moment."
So, what did the russian peace doves do after this announcement? Let's see:
Hmmm...
kwonza@reddit
Lol, you went through all the effort of formatting the text and including links but never bothered to check the dates of the fucking articles. Ukrainian ceasefire was supposed to be from 5th to 6th, not from 4th to 5th of May
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