Airborne Microplastics May Be Warming the Planet

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trivetsandcolanders@reddit

The sky can have a little plastic too, as a treat!

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adamsoutofideas@reddit

They are. It all is.

We're over complicating the problem.

The stuff we pull out of the ground AND the act of preparing ground to be paved or mined all change the climate because they're moving the earth further away from the green and lush planet that was breathing happy before industry existed. They had even lower CO2 and the life was too thick for humans to break into. CO2 isn't a fertilizer to a system, it is imbalance.

Look at the earth from space and imagine zero artificial spaces, lighting, or sound. That's just a healthy normal earth. Then look at it now. It's the extreme body mod earth but it's cancerous. .

Every change we add that moves life further from the preindustrial earth and is a semipermanent change, changes the climate. Paving a patch of forest warms the climate by removing a patch of active solar collection and replacing it with a super low albedo patch of black asphalt. It's every little thing humans do to make the planet more about ourselves.

We can and might as well go through each one individually, so if anyone wants to make a bet something isn't changing the climate, help this old man figure out them social bettin apps. Pop pop needs a new rocker to watch the world burn

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Ree_For_Thee@reddit

It seems there's several steps to achieving a sustainable civilization.

One is obviously 'technology'/'knowledge', and we've done that one.

But there's likely also the "limiting" steps. Regulation, control. I personally see innovation "out of control" as it is today as an inherent risk. Eventually you make something that breaks everything. The nuke was likely a first prototype of such a thing, but we're already about to be able to engineer viruses, or make bacteria with "mirror life" (google it) which could decimate life on the planet.

So, obviously, control over innovation needs to happen. Also control over infinite growth, meaning capitalism (or any economic system with a profit motive) literally cannot work.

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adamsoutofideas@reddit

Id actually be impressed if we figured out anti-life as a particle/"cell", but the carbon imbalance is functionally identical.

I wish people could see that curbside garbage collection is a necessary ingredient in the whole model because the end user is the second last link in the chain from primary resources to garbage, with the third last link being finished product we buy, pre-garbage while we use it, then into the trash to make room for something new. That model doesn't need any evil products, the model itself is pure destruction since the primary resources are infinitely contaminated with each other through increasing complexity.

I will read up on those things. Haven't heard them before. That said, I trust scientists not to be so dumb... engineers? Less, much less

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Sapient_Cephalopod@reddit

well the idea would have been to parasitize the Earth system just enough that we do not jeopardize its stability

but it appears we've gone all in

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adamsoutofideas@reddit

Right, cause if the plan was using stopping as the fix, it would have been around 410 ppm. Once we crossed 420, it was active removal or total catastrophe.

There is one remaining hope and that's He3 from the moon. It's not from inside the system or chemical energy so doesn't change the chemical balance, and it reacts to magnetic fields so solves the problems holding back fusion. If we figure out a lunar program with robots mining He3 in like... 2 yrs? Get that going while the world builds tokamaks and huge compressor stations... it will leave the evidence that we tried to stop at the very end.

Damn.

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Acrobatic-Lynx-5018@reddit (OP)

Gawdamn media! I tell ya hwat.