[News] TSMC Reportedly Upgrades Central Taiwan 28/22nm Fab to 4nm; Phase 2 1.4nm Trial Production May Start 3Q27
Posted by charliehu1226@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 11 comments
hackenclaw@reddit
it means in a year or 3yrs. 4nm will become a very cheap node for other chips that doesnt require bleeding edge nodes.
Just like what 12nm and 6nm doing these days.
abiotic_selection_2@reddit
All of the reason to not give a shit about these "shortages" created by megacorps circular economy that just makes chips that will never be used in data centers that will never be built.
People who didnt need 32GB of ram or a new gpu at 2024 prices definitely dont need it today and eventually this shit will be dirt cheap.
Hardware comes first and software follows, so hardware being hoarded away from users just means software will continue to be made to work perfectly well on your older system with less ram
upvotesthenrages@reddit
That's not really how it works.
What happens instead is that 20% of users, usually the wealthier ones, have modern hardware, and everyone else has older/budget hardware.
So you end up with a 2-tier system. Many devs will still build software for newer hardware, there will just be even more people lagging behind.
Kinexity@reddit
This has existed since forever. The problem is that the fraction of users with modern hardware is going to drop even more over time.
Any-Ingenuity2770@reddit
shortages are on DRAM, which are different fabs from ALU/SRAM
lorner96@reddit
CPU and GPU demand is beginning to outstrip supply now too
III-V@reddit
I thought TSMC was maxed out on a lot of their stuff too
_hlvnhlv@reddit
I would love if either Nvidia, amd, or intel stops chasing the latest node and do low to medium end GPUs on older nodes.
I don't really give a shit if I get what basically is a 4070, in 2027, for less money.
Like, modern hardware is fine, what is not fine is the shit pricing and low production, just do slightly older stuff, on older nodes, in mayor quantities, who cares?
imKaku@reddit
I mean, Nvidia and AMD have not started using 2 and 3nm nodes from TSMC for their consumer GPUs. They are still on 4NM, same as 4000 gen.
TheBraveGallade@reddit
Fab space is still fab space, and its usually worth it to scrap an existing node production for something new unless you have a big contract.
As for cheaper node... get a 3060? I think nvidia restarted 3060 because its samsung 8nm.
Amother reasonisthat thats the exact node the switch 2 is on, so econs of scale.
_hlvnhlv@reddit
Oh well that's a good point