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ivosaurus@reddit

So Euro-Office is barely a month or two old, would presumably only have a couple of developers trying to come to grips with a very mature codebase, and LibreOffice just expects them to officially declare they will commit to make sweeping major surgery to underlying backbone code and document modelling to natively use ODT as its document model? Like, that is the kind of "feature" which has potential to take a year or basically whole new major version number to implement.

LibreOffice / ODF looks more and more like an organisation that likes looking pure & noble and projecting any power that affords, onto others. And love playing politics. I hope in actual fact, I'm wrong. But every new thing I read from them, it looks more like it.

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globulous9@reddit

So Euro-Office is barely a month or two old, would presumably only have a couple of developers trying to come to grips with a very mature codebase, and LibreOffice just expects them to officially declare they will commit to make sweeping major surgery to underlying backbone code and document modelling to natively use ODT as its data model?

I mean... yes? If ten IT corporations put together can't figure out how, then we know better to rely on anything else they're doing

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ivosaurus@reddit

If you look at the state of the project, it just isn't moving that fast yet. 10 orgs "supporting" it doesn't mean it has 20 workers and an office and and a bankroll and incorporation into a foundation to make concrete plans for the future, none of that has happened yet.

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silenceimpaired@reddit

I am sure to get downvoted saying this, but I have become annoyed by LibreOffice and all those involved.

From my point of view, there is a clear disregard for established competition in all their choices. This blog post, in my opinion, is a continuation of that by making a big deal about ODF not being the default file format.

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Silly-Freak@reddit

By "clear disregard for established competition", do you mean they act as if their influence relative to competitors was bigger than it is, or am I misunderstanding? Yeah, that can indeed be annoying, but on the other hand I'm still glad they're here and think they are ultimately right in their anti-OOXML stance. Maybe Euro-Office can become a second steward of truly open office applications and standards (OnlyOffice is not truly open, I can't quite tell with Collabora; Euro-Office would need to adopt ODF as the default to qualify) and maybe that will lead to some healthy soul searching also in TDF. But until then, it's better to have the current TDF than not.

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Tex2002ans@reddit

Maybe Euro-Office can become a second steward of truly open office applications and standards (OnlyOffice is not truly open, I can't quite tell with Collabora; [...]

Uhh... Collabora has been completely open from the very beginning (since 2013). And they've already proven themselves as good stewards for 13+ years!

For a little more info on that, see my posts from last month:

/r/LibreOffice: "Is this a LibreOffice screenshot?"
Links to 2 great talks as well (about "FLOSS Office Suites") + things to look out for in these announcements.
/r/LibreOffice: "Will LibreOffice wither and disappear like OpenOffice did?"
Showing off some of Collabora devs'/team's contributions (even within the past 6 months).

Collabora still maintains all their completely open work at their Github:

https://github.com/CollaboraOnline/online/issues
This is where their "Collabora Online" / "Collabora Office" issues are hosted + development happens.

And, as of a few weeks ago, instead of LibreOffice's:

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/

they just (temporarily) split most of their core dev work here:

https://gerrit.collaboraoffice.com/

So nothing really changed within the past month besides:

A few weeks ago, Nextcloud announced their "Euro-Office" spinoff.
Nextcloud ramped back on the "Nextcloud Office"<->"Collabora Online" partnership.
Instead of doing (~50% of all LO commits) purely on LO's gerrit, Collabora moved their Collabora-specific stuff onto a separate branch.
Bugfixes will still happen for LO, but major features (or online- or browser-specific things) will happen on Collabora's gerrit instead.

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Interesting_Pie_319@reddit

In all fairness majority of office formats are pretty bloated as are the editors that manipulate the files. I mostly use Joplin or Zettlr if I have to write something that is not code down nowadays, then convert it to pdf with pandoc if I have to send it to normies.

it is not like I use much formatting wise aside from headings bold and italic.

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vancha113@reddit

Well good. A law or not, it's still a step in the right direction.

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mrlinkwii@reddit

what BS

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MatchingTurret@reddit

Germany has established by law that ODF is the mandatory format for public administration

That's BS. There is no such law. It's a decision by the IT Planning Council which does not make laws.

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scandii@reddit

I think the phrasing is a bit bad and you're absolutely right it is not a law - it is still a mandate which the federal government has said they will support.

and note that mandates are mandatory (surprise!). so you can't break the law using docx, but your boss will pull you into their office to ask what's up.

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MatchingTurret@reddit

so you can't break the law using docx, but your boss will pull you into their office to ask what's up.

If a state decides to use docx, nobody will pull anyone in any office. There will be peer pressure, but Germany has "States Rights", too. If a state decides to be stubborn, noone can tell them otherwise.

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fearless-fossa@reddit

But it's still just voluntary guidelines, not an enforceable mandate.

These kinds of voluntary guidelines quickly become de-facto mandates though. I find the other thing more concerning though:

and this confirms – at least in part – the suspicion that Euro-Office will join Microsoft’s allies in a strategy to lock in European citizens

I really like the TDF. But this is bullshit and fearmongering. Euro-Office is just a few weeks old and TDF is already starting to sling mud, something they're apparently better capable of than providing an actual office suite.

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mrtruthiness@reddit

I really like the TDF. But this is bullshit and fearmongering. Euro-Office is just a few weeks old and TDF is already starting to sling mud, something they're apparently better capable of than providing an actual office suite.

I really dislike a few people that are hired by TDF (e.g. Mike Saunders). And the reason I dislike them is almost always because of the mud slinging.

And I also feel that the TDF has been disgraceful in regard to how they are handling their issues with Collabora.

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moralesnery@reddit

I love when corporations are forced to comply with open standards.