Is this a joke? | TheaterFire

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I can explain what happened here. In the past year, management has been on a PIREP mission. Recently, we have a manager make it his personal mission to be even more of a hardass for getting pireps, even when we aren't required to be getting them.

This specific pirep was made by a controller who likes to put NEG VA and other useless stuff as a "fuck you" to management. But he's mormon.. so probably not those exact words...

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OzrielArelius@reddit

honestly I like it. I never really know what to say when prompted for "say flight conditions" so I'm just gonna throw that one in every time for the luls

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BandicootNo4431@reddit

"flight conditions"

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OzrielArelius@reddit

naturally. "mach number"

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Siiver7@reddit

"Turn 30 deg. right, vector for sequence, do not exceed mach .67"

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OzrielArelius@reddit

sorry, best I can give ya is 69 ;)

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dovahbe4r@reddit

I have been waiting for someone to say this to me so I can pop it in the remarks. Nobody's been snarky enough lately.

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Yoghurt42@reddit

"say cancel IFR"

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BandicootNo4431@reddit

"smooth Ride"

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slatsandflaps@reddit

“Well the plane needs to have wings… and fuel… and at least one good engine. And I need coffee, but not too soon before the flight otherwise I get suspicious of every noise my stomach makes.”

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djfl@reddit

Been around almost 3 decades. I can count on one hand the number of people with a sniff of power who have "personal missions" who've actually made things better or safer. Personal missions are almost always comprised of pedantic petty bs. Often "technically right". But always from somebody who's great at making sure I's are dotted and T's crossed, but crap at safety/skill.

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Striderrs@reddit

This is amazing. How can I add to this pettiness as an airline guy if I get asked for a useless pirep?

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No_Box4228@reddit

Yes

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andrewrbat@reddit

Why stop there? Neg fu/neg gr/neg tsra/neg blsn/neg…. Wx lol

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PlaneShenaniganz@reddit

"NEG FU" would be a great, subtle 🖕 to throw in...

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rckid13@reddit

It's nearly summer there's always FU in Denver.

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FlyByPC@reddit

We always have that on the East coast, too.

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xoxota99@reddit

NEG WX lolllll....

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VxAngleOfClimb@reddit

Malicious compliance. Love it.

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makgross@reddit

I thought the Mormon term was “Hasa Diga Eebowai.”

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PozPoz__@reddit

Can I ask a genuine question as a low-time ppl? Do people genuinely have the abbreviation for volcanic ash memorized? If I read this in-flight I would have no idea what it meant

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RO1984@reddit

Damn you know how to read? Bragging

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Dispatcher_11001001@reddit

Yes.

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PozPoz__@reddit

Damn guess I have to review

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KITTYONFYRE@reddit

naw just use a decoder. lol. no point in this mumbo jumbo any more. we aren't trying to save bytes here

some ATPs like em coded because less letters to read. I'm dubious that fewer letters actually changes the rate your brain processes information (see: spanish has waaay more syllables per minute than english, and chinese has way fewer than english, but the actual information exchanged per minute is about the same across all three languages). but when you do this shit all day every day, THEY definitely have all this stuff memorized!

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the_warmest_color@reddit

if you practice you’ll get better one day and not rely on a decoder

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KITTYONFYRE@reddit

why? literally zero benefit unless I made a career change. everywhere I view weather has a decoder already!

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HardCorePawn@reddit

Honestly, it's a bit like the matrix after a while... you just "see" all the "symbols".

I have been doing it so long, that it can take me longer to read and understand a "decoded" TAF/METAR etc than just looking at the codes.

For me, I don't think it's extra letters per se... for instance Thunderstorms vs TS, but more that a lot of the decoders:

add in whole extra words (ie. wind from the south-southwest at 15 kts with gusts of 20kts vs. 200/15G20)... especially with longer TAFs that have a lot of BECMG and TEMPOs and you get all the "Temporary from 06 at 00 UTC to 06 at 02 UTC" vs TEMPO 0600/0602
don't always decode in exactly the same format/structure that my brain has learnt to over the years so that is extra processing required on my side.

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PozPoz__@reddit

Yeah I just don’t fly frequently enough i guess

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HardCorePawn@reddit

Yes, but we actually have active volcanoes here in New Zealand 😛

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UnfortunateSnort12@reddit

Okay, can I just do a PSA on icing PIREPs for 737 drivers…. They are NOT looking for the temperature above the engine displays. They are looking for Outside Air Temperature…. Also know as OAT. Notice that on the 737 it says TAT there? Also known as Total Air Temperature…..

Hit prog, next page once, and you’ll find SAT or static air temperature in your FMC…. This is the same as OAT.

The amount of guys that I fly with that have no clue about this is ridiculous.

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kscessnadriver@reddit

That’s every airplane, not just a 737 problem

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kingck@reddit

The 220 has TAT and SAT on the PFDs

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Temporary-Fix9578@reddit

Not the mighty CRJ. It shows SAT and TAT next to each other!

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rmacdaddy@reddit

Regional drivers unite! (ok I don’t know how the OG Jungle Jet shows it)
Both the 175 and all CRJs show them right next to each other. And people still report the wrong temp (TAT) and will try to explain why they’re right.

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Flimsy-Ad-858@reddit

So does the 220. Bombardier did some things right.

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OrganicParamedic6606@reddit

That’s a Boeing problem. We advanced creatures just look at SAT on the ECAM display 💅

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BitterMojo@reddit

Lol yes. Also TAT is not the determinate for engine anti-ice on the ground.

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Jaggent@reddit

Interesting, in the EASA ATPL Instrumentation exam, a question specifically states that "a pilot will monitor TAT for icing conditions"

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the_warmest_color@reddit

TAT is useful to know for when you should turn on your anti ice. OAT is useful to know for when you can turn off your anti ice.

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Jaggent@reddit

Huh, simple as. Thanks!

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bailaowai@reddit

Is the temperature showing on my air vent at the top of my windscreen TAT or OAT? 172 driver here.

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UnfortunateSnort12@reddit

It’s been awhile since I flew a 172, but the difference is negligible at those speeds. What does the book say? IIRC (which again, I’m probably wrong), it’s OAT.

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bailaowai@reddit

I was just joking but you’re not wrong. Assuming the temp probe in my 1977 air vent dial thermometer is experiencing the full impact of my 105kt airspeed (0.15 mach!) at 5000ft and 10C the diff would be about 0.05C. 💪

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_BryceParker@reddit

Where's the rest of that comment? I'm not a pilot, but I want to know what effect that 0.05C has on your aircraft's performance.

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SanAntonioSewerpipe@reddit

That's brutal, so they just run engine anti ice all the way up to TOC if in cloud and its -56 oat.

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mvpilot172@reddit

Our OPS says to -40°c

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SanAntonioSewerpipe@reddit

Yes same, but the people giving TAT pireps in theory run it all the time then.

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Tman3355@reddit

How do you assume that? TAT always shows on the engine display.

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SanAntonioSewerpipe@reddit

Because its -40c SAT (oat) that determines if you can turn it off in climb or cruise.

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Tman3355@reddit

Hes talking about giving preps not use of anti-ice. Unless youre saying turn off the probe heat? We don't do that.

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SanAntonioSewerpipe@reddit

Engine anti ice.

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Tman3355@reddit

Lol im so confused you said people in theory run the AI all the way ti toc.

I know most who I fly with just dont know or dont care to give the pirep in SAT but are very aware that TAI comes off at -40c. So no, just because they give their PIREPS in TAT doesn't mean they are always running their anti ice.

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mvpilot172@reddit

Because If you hit -40 TAT your fuel has probably frozen in your wings.

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SanAntonioSewerpipe@reddit

Lol I see, interesting that they know icing is based on SAT but give a pirep in TAT. Just bad airmanship then. My correlation is they don't know where to find the info on SAT how do they know when to turn off the TAI.

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DOOM__SHROOM@reddit

Obligatory -40c = -40f joke here

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UnfortunateSnort12@reddit

No. I’m not saying that. I’m saying when they give a pirep and ATC asks OAT, they give TAT because they only see one temperature in the moment….

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swakid8@reddit

Not supposed too….

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PozPoz__@reddit

Total temp as in stagnation temperature?

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TaigaBridge@reddit

It did coincide, within an hour or so, of the start of Kilauea's lava fountaining episode, which put some amount of ash up to 20,000 feet in Hawaii this morning.

Assuming this wasn't an overseas flight, though, yes, I expect it's a joke.

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CarminSanDiego@reddit

Whenever I don’t understand the metar, its probably bad news

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Ok_Witness179@reddit

And when I can't tell if I'm reading a metar or a pirep, my captain knows it's bad news, too!

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lonememe@reddit

Right? It usually means I shouldn't fly that day. Living near to where this PIREP is from, that stands true today for sure. lol

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randombrain@reddit

The altitude of the pirep was FL200, at at that altitude the sky was clear above the observer.

Although if there was icing from 064 to 130 then I feel like some extrapolations could have been made.

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TxtC27@reddit

SK CLR...ish

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lonememe@reddit

SK CLR-ly obscured by a thick layer of low hanging clouds producing IFR conditions.

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MDT230@reddit

Yeah my bad. I tried to be funny.

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Traditional-Pea-8040@reddit

I do not know because that text has no meaning according to me.

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cody_hates_reddit@reddit

One wonders why you felt the need to say this on a subreddit for people who are trained to read these.

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trampled93@reddit

I have no idea how you pilots can’t read METARs

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randylush@reddit

that's the neat part. I don't

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mr_eddit@reddit

When volcanos erupt, the ash goes into the air. The air, and therefore ash, circles the globe. Ash is bad for airplane engines, particularly turbine engines.

A volcano erupted in the Philippines yesterday. The ash cloud rose to 10k feet. Perhaps this is why the comment is relevant.

https://apnews.com/article/mayon-volcano-philippines-albay-province-ae152c7f9bd208273cafea80cee9d33d

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