He is not alone to blame. The whole fucking Disney who didn't have a plan for 3 movies for a multi billion dollar franchise.
Although I do think the second movie was bad, it did introduce some interesting concepts that were thrown away right away in the third movie.
He screwed JJ over big time so idc how the 3rd movie didn't explore certain concepts. He knew it was the 2ND movie of the trilogy AND HE MAKES KYLO GOOD AND KILLS OFF THE MAIN VILLAIN. Wtf was JJ supposed to do? I feel so bad that the 3rd movie gets so much pushback for the Palpatine thing when thats literally the 2nd movies fault.
the writers could've easily build ontop of what Rian made, literally just replace Palpatine with Snoke and it would've made more sense. And Kylo Ren wasn't even good at that point? I understand the sequels getting hate but this is just not true.
On the one hand, it feels like they have known for years now that the Sequels are a narrative clusterfuck, seeing as how they have kept struggling to get sequel adjacent, especially post-sequel stuff, off the ground. (I hear something post sequel is actually in the works now?) Instead, a lot of the focus has been going to stuff set between trilogies + High Republic
On the other hand, admitting that the trilogy that was supposed to be the flagship and core of the Disney-era canon is a hell of a bullet to bite.
On the other hand, admitting that the trilogy that was supposed to be the flagship and core of the Disney-era canon failed is a hell of a bullet to bite.
This is interesting, because admitting failure might actually be more profitable in the long run.
If they stick with the extant sequel trilogy, they can't really make a lot of revenue, at least in the manner the OG movies would. So there's no real risk in abandoning it. As long as the re-do breaks even on production costs, they don't lose money. If it's even remotely more popular than what they have now, that's an improvement for future profit lines.
Oh, and "something something artistic integrity", except they don't give a shit about that aspect.
If it's even remotely more popular than what they have now, that's an improvement for future profit lines.
The question there is, what if we screw up the new trilogy too? It's a two-fer combo of ego preventing them from admitting the mistake and insecurity over whether they have what it takes to make something better.
I wonder if the Star Wars sequels are bit like Avatar movies though, in that normal people still went to see them, had a good time, then went about their business. They didn’t argue online about them or buy a bunch of plastic collectibles, but they did buy a movie ticket. Not cultural impact and thinkpieces that terminally online people obsess over, but still box office returns that most franchises would kill for. I knew what I was getting into when I saw the Rise of Skywalker in theaters. I basically turned into a normie, moderately enjoyed 2.5 hours of Star Wars, left the theater, and then stopped giving a shit about Star Wars. Star Wars stopped being worth any passionate love or hate.
That's the problem, isn't it? Avatar was never anything but a normie movie. Star Wars has always had a pretty hardcore fanbase, but these days, nobody gets excited about a new Star Wars thing because we all assume it'll be crap.
but they did buy a movie ticket.
Not anywhere near enough of them, tbh. Rise of Skywalker did half the box office The Force Awakens did.
Disney has done massive damage to arguably the most valuable IP in the industry. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that they still haven't made back the $4bn they paid for Lucasfilm in 2012.
Conformity-gate. Stranger Things fans did it, Sherlock fans did it, a whole lot of fan bases go through this cope that the bad ending of their favorite thing was actually fake and will be paved over years later.
De-canonizing the sequels wouldn’t un-burn any bridges with old fans, it would piss off the new fans, it could easily be spun as Disney being cowardly and walking back their push for DEI, and the original actors are now too old or dead for any more sequels to the original trilogy that continue the same story in any real way to be made, so what’s the point?
The reason this shit makes the rounds every year or so is bc dumb motherfuckers keep giving it clicks and views and sending it viral. It's just assholes monetizing your copium. Stop already.
I want it to happen only for the new new sequels to be even more shit so now people start becoming og sequel apologists and we repeat the process until we get "The Rise Glupp Shitto" trilogy.
FungusTheClown@reddit
All thanks to Rian Johnson and that dogshit movie he made.
CharlesEverettDekker@reddit
He is not alone to blame. The whole fucking Disney who didn't have a plan for 3 movies for a multi billion dollar franchise. Although I do think the second movie was bad, it did introduce some interesting concepts that were thrown away right away in the third movie.
FungusTheClown@reddit
He screwed JJ over big time so idc how the 3rd movie didn't explore certain concepts. He knew it was the 2ND movie of the trilogy AND HE MAKES KYLO GOOD AND KILLS OFF THE MAIN VILLAIN. Wtf was JJ supposed to do? I feel so bad that the 3rd movie gets so much pushback for the Palpatine thing when thats literally the 2nd movies fault.
THEzwerver@reddit
the writers could've easily build ontop of what Rian made, literally just replace Palpatine with Snoke and it would've made more sense. And Kylo Ren wasn't even good at that point? I understand the sequels getting hate but this is just not true.
Vidogo@reddit
and remember - JJ only had to do it because Trevorrow noped the hell out in favor of infinite Jurassic Memberberries. Colin knew.
bitchnibba47@reddit
Bro Geeks & Gamers is a grifter channel, so most of the shit they're saying is BS
2 new shows and a movie are coming out, so the franchise certainly isn't dead.
The Sequel Trilogy is receiving side material in form of comic books and novels.
The new theatrical Mando movie is gonna tie into the Sequel Era
The Sequel movies have been profitable as shit
But yes, Disney is gonna retcon the ST any day now, just like how the Snuderverse is gonna be restored and Raimi's gonna make Spider-Man 4
Kaeru-Sennin@reddit
There was a time where I would have cared.
Now they can burn all Star Wars, all of it, until even the OG trilogy is ashes and I wouldn't care.
Thanks Disney.
Mercureece@reddit
Except Andor, don’t burn that I need to watch it once a year or else
drichm2599@reddit
Only a sith deals in absolutes
Hyperversum@reddit
Yeah and lots of people are gonna read those comics and novels lmao
Worpaxell@reddit
All of disney's sewuel era content is pre-movies, they literally haven't made anything post SOMEHOW PALPATINE RETURNS time
darthmemeios14@reddit
afaik starfighter (2027) will break that trend being set 5 years after
Reading_username@reddit
Please give us the tobi spooderman 4. I would pay double ticket prices for it.
itsyaboihos@reddit
Source: some random guy on twitter farming for clicks
CharlesEverettDekker@reddit
I heard this rumor for the past like 5 years already.
NorseHighlander@reddit
The future is a vast thing.
On the one hand, it feels like they have known for years now that the Sequels are a narrative clusterfuck, seeing as how they have kept struggling to get sequel adjacent, especially post-sequel stuff, off the ground. (I hear something post sequel is actually in the works now?) Instead, a lot of the focus has been going to stuff set between trilogies + High Republic
On the other hand, admitting that the trilogy that was supposed to be the flagship and core of the Disney-era canon is a hell of a bullet to bite.
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
This is interesting, because admitting failure might actually be more profitable in the long run.
If they stick with the extant sequel trilogy, they can't really make a lot of revenue, at least in the manner the OG movies would. So there's no real risk in abandoning it. As long as the re-do breaks even on production costs, they don't lose money. If it's even remotely more popular than what they have now, that's an improvement for future profit lines.
Oh, and "something something artistic integrity", except they don't give a shit about that aspect.
NorseHighlander@reddit
The question there is, what if we screw up the new trilogy too? It's a two-fer combo of ego preventing them from admitting the mistake and insecurity over whether they have what it takes to make something better.
Leadfarmerbeast@reddit
I wonder if the Star Wars sequels are bit like Avatar movies though, in that normal people still went to see them, had a good time, then went about their business. They didn’t argue online about them or buy a bunch of plastic collectibles, but they did buy a movie ticket. Not cultural impact and thinkpieces that terminally online people obsess over, but still box office returns that most franchises would kill for. I knew what I was getting into when I saw the Rise of Skywalker in theaters. I basically turned into a normie, moderately enjoyed 2.5 hours of Star Wars, left the theater, and then stopped giving a shit about Star Wars. Star Wars stopped being worth any passionate love or hate.
bremsspuren@reddit
That's the problem, isn't it? Avatar was never anything but a normie movie. Star Wars has always had a pretty hardcore fanbase, but these days, nobody gets excited about a new Star Wars thing because we all assume it'll be crap.
Not anywhere near enough of them, tbh. Rise of Skywalker did half the box office The Force Awakens did.
Disney has done massive damage to arguably the most valuable IP in the industry. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that they still haven't made back the $4bn they paid for Lucasfilm in 2012.
drichm2599@reddit
If they ever actually start filming, the New Jedi Order movie will be post-Ep. 9
As will Starfighter
Barloq@reddit
lol, Geeks & Gamers been calling for sequel decanonization for ages, the cope is palpable.
hawkmasta@reddit
The cope is *palpatine
demicus@reddit
Somehow, the cope returned
raihidara@reddit
They cope now?!
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
It ain't happening, even if the only Disney movie to crack the top 10 is Rogue One.
https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/star-wars-day-2026-viewing-data-2025-nielsen-1236735789/
SmaugRancor@reddit
The solution is to either go way back in the past and do the Old Republic or go way into the future and do Legacy with Cade Skywalker.
Datdudecorks@reddit
Do it and make the Zhan trilogy the true sequels
TheFalconKid@reddit
Conformity-gate. Stranger Things fans did it, Sherlock fans did it, a whole lot of fan bases go through this cope that the bad ending of their favorite thing was actually fake and will be paved over years later.
massiveborzoienjoyer@reddit
this cope never coming to fruition is the real reason the Winds of Winter hasnt released yet
liquidmccartney8@reddit
De-canonizing the sequels wouldn’t un-burn any bridges with old fans, it would piss off the new fans, it could easily be spun as Disney being cowardly and walking back their push for DEI, and the original actors are now too old or dead for any more sequels to the original trilogy that continue the same story in any real way to be made, so what’s the point?
Biggu5Dicku5@reddit
I doubt that they will do any of this, they'll just stop talking about the sequel time period lol...
HardHarry@reddit
Andor is the best thing to happen in television in a decade. The rest of the Star Wars franchise can burn so long as that remains.
Reading_username@reddit
Will we ever reach the point where we stop considering financial profit as a mark of quality and success?
ThePrimeOptimus@reddit
The reason this shit makes the rounds every year or so is bc dumb motherfuckers keep giving it clicks and views and sending it viral. It's just assholes monetizing your copium. Stop already.
Napalm_am@reddit
I want it to happen only for the new new sequels to be even more shit so now people start becoming og sequel apologists and we repeat the process until we get "The Rise Glupp Shitto" trilogy.