DILEMMA: replace transmission, or buy new car?
Posted by AdEastern3117@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 48 comments
okay so here is my situation: I have a 2020 hyundai elantra with about 79k miles on it. recently the transmission started slipping. I was quoted $3800 to fix it with a brand new CVT transmission ($2800 parts, $1000 labor). I am financing this car and still owe about $8000 on the bank loan for it. I’ve only had it a little over a year.
The mechanic said that everything else on the car seems to be fine and he’s confused why the transmission would go out so soon but that it’s not unheard of with CVTs.
I am very fortunate to have gotten my monthly payment for this car to be only $200. (i put a hefty down payment on it). I’m graduating college this month and starting my adult life, and if i end up trading this in, it’ll probably be valued around $8k - $10k. if i finance a new car, i’d want it to be an actual NEW car, no older than 2023/25 and really low mileage (because what’s the point of just financing yet another old(er) car that might give me issues as well.) i’d want this to be the car i keep for majority of my adult life. I won’t have a down payment for it, so i know my monthly will be real difficult to get any lower that $400-$500. I hate the idea of that, I want to move out and start my adult life so I don’t wanna add that much to my monthly expenses.
I can afford the transmission repair, it’s just that the tranny is on backorder from hyundai, so i’d also be budgeting in about a months worth $ for a rental car. i start a new job in a couple weeks and ill be working 2 summer jobs and they’re both 30 mins drive from home, which is a 2-3hr bus ride in my city with extremely unreliable and inefficient public transport. its just not feasible since ill be out of the house all day, exhausted and have to travel a lot between the two jobs.
I like my car. it has never given me any other issues, ever. i’ve only had it like a year but this is the first time i’ve experienced a mechanical issue, engine light, etc anything like that! but i worry that i’ll replace the transmission, and then something else will go and i’ll end up in a cycle of pouring money into it. or that i’ll replace the tranny and then something goes wrong with the new one, or something goes wrong with the way they installed it (even tho i plan on getting a minimum 1yr warranty from the auto shop on their labor). or even, that i replace the tranny and the issue doesn’t go away. I obviously have to get a few second opinions, shop around for quotes etc.
Maybe it’s not the full tranny that needs to be replaced maybe it’s a sensor, a mount, a solenoid etc. I had the fluid flushed, and the TCM reset expecting it to fix my issue, but it did NOT. the symptoms are: after about 2-3 mins of driving it, when it heats up a bit, i experience jerking/shuddering when i accelerate. i can drive it but i have to barely give it any gas, and i can’t take it on the highway. on like the 2nd day of having this issue, i was driving, started feeling the shudder and i guess i gave it too much gas and it went into limp mode. my foot was all the way down on the gas and it was accelerating at a snails pace, extremely rough and barely going, but still went. Maybe there’s something else i can look into?? something else that could trigger this issue?
What would you do?
RSMark5@reddit
It won’t be valued at $8-10k with a blown transmission. It’s worth almost nothing as it sits. Probably worth it to fix it.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
transmission isn’t blown, car still drives just pretty rough. it’s clear that it’s going. i was betting on them just driving it around the lot and not noticing. it’s not throwing any codes or anything
Dzessito@reddit
Has the oil been changed? If not then oil change could solve that.
StandardLopsided4616@reddit
Highly unlikely once its that bad.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
it has
Occams_RZR900@reddit
If it’s noticeably slipping and the mechanic is prepared to drop a new transmission in, I’d be shocked if there wasn’t codes stored in the TCM. Now you may not have a check engine light, and you may not be able to see those codes with a cheap code reader, but I’m almost certain there’s stored data indicating slipping or other transmission issues. That said, a lot of places looking at your trade in probably won’t do that much checking, so you might be able to fool some.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
he scanned the codes after with a relatively decent looking scanner (i think?) and all codes were cleared. this was a couple days ago maybe they came back but yeah i dont rly think any dealership will check it THAT much to be honest.
Swamp_Hawk_420@reddit
They might, they might not. The computer stores the data for whenever codes are cleared. Some places just want to make a deal and don't care, some places will go, "wait this car has been driven 8 miles since the codes were cleared, something's going on"
Beneficial_Leg4691@reddit
Fix it otherwise you cant sell for much at all. 2020 is still pretty new and has alot of life left.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
i hope so! if i fix the transmission and everything else is smooth sailing i’d be happy. just worried something else will go too, and i’ll have to keep putting money into it. like is it really future proof enough?
Beneficial_Leg4691@reddit
My 2014 chevy truck has 262,000 Miles on my 3rd transmission now. Its known for transmission issues. Its still way better than a new 50k car payment
chinmakes5@reddit
Have them check the engine, look for oil leaks or oil consumption. Some Hyundais of that era have that problem. If the engine is good, I would replace the trans. you will be very upside down if you don't. I have had multiple Hyundais and they last a while.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
what’s the longest a hyundai is lasted you? i’m hoping to make it to at least 150k without any (more) major issues
chinmakes5@reddit
Just sold my 2012 sonata w148k on it. Now it had the defective motor but they replaced it for free. Other than that we had a great experience
JaKr8@reddit
First thing you have to tell us is whether or not you purchased this used or CPO? Because if it's CPO, it will be covered under the 10/100 powertrain warranty.
I'm assuming it's not though. Did you get this quote from a dealership or from a repair/garage. Because I would try a place like that, if that's the quote from the dealership.
I think you're going to have to put the money into it and keep the car for a while.
omg4serious@reddit
any chance you're the original owner? as it'd be under warranty.
Annual-Duty-6468@reddit
How come the tranny repair isn't covered under the manufacturer warranty to 100k? Did a dealership just reject to repair?
jolsiphur@reddit
I had to do a quick Google search. Hyundai's warranty is supposedly 5-year/60,000miles for a 2020 Elantra.
Even then, a 2020 Elantra is now more than 5 years old, so even if it was 100k miles, the time period would have run out.
DiscoVolante1965@reddit
That's the bumper-to-bumper warranty.
Powertrain warranty is 10-year/100,000-mile, but only for original owner.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
i’m the second owner, so for me warranty drops to 5yrs/60k miles, not from the date of MY purchase, but from the date of the original purchase
Annual-Duty-6468@reddit
I wonder when they killed the 10 year transfer. I bought a second hand Sonata that kept the original.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
maybe if it was *certified* pre owned? mine was just pre owned
DoggoCity@reddit
The car won't be valued anywhere close to 10k with a slipping trans. You'll want to fix that before you do anything.
That said, once it is back up and running I would consider your long-term options. CVTs are more prone to early-life failure than classic automatic or manual transmissions, so it's not off the table for this to happen again in another 90-100k miles. Also, with the car soon to cross the 100k mile mark, it's worth considering that it will be more prone to more issues down the line as mileage increases. I know you said you want to "keep this car for the majority of your adult life" but most any car will eventually reach a point at which it no longer makes financial sense to keep. It's worth thinking about how many miles you're putting on it a year and when it may be time to trade it out for something else.
Don't listen to your mom though. Her idea is probably the worst move possible in your situation 😭
Far_Negotiation8009@reddit
New car
MaximumDerpification@reddit
I thought Hyundai's had 10yr/100,000mile powertrain warranties?
Literally the only reason I thought people bought them.
OperationAsshat@reddit
Without replacing the transmission the car has almost no value. Hoping the dealership won't notice is a bet that isn't likely to work with any dealer that is worth dealing with, especially since you also want to buy another used vehicle from them.
My question is why you are so dead set on getting something new when you want long term reliability. People focus so much on mileage when it is functionally irrelevant as long as you are maintaining the vehicle properly. It can be a solid indicator for when things might need to be replaced, but every vehicle is going to need work long term anyway. New vehicles have newer technology, but in terms of long term reliability there is always way more risk. If you want a vehicle that will last most of your adult life you should be looking for platforms that are proven and known to have good design. You also need to know how to properly maintain the vehicle and determine when parts are failing prior to the failure becoming critical, which is usually much easier on older vehicles.
If you want something from 2023-now you should be limiting your search to specific cars that are known to be solid that still have the same drivetrain from at least 2020, preferably earlier, but that is going to be fairly limited compared to something older that has already been run well past 500k miles by many other people and is heavily tested. If I am picking a vehicle to last my lifetime I am not touching anything from the last decade.
Ok-Method-2389@reddit
I would have the transmission flushed, drained and then fill with Amsoil CVT synthetic transmission fluid
keithrc@reddit
Hyundais have a 100k powertrain warranty, and the warranty should have t'ferred to you with the car- have you called or gone by the dealership to see if it's covered?
motorboather@reddit
Your car should be under warranty and therefore you should be taking this to the dealership and letting them figure this out free of charge. Is there a reason you’re not using your 10yr/100k mi Powertrain warranty?
jules083@reddit
Whatever you do don't listen to your mom. Lol
You have a car that's valued at 10k. It needs $4k in work. So right off the bat the value dropped to 6k at best. Likely lower.
If it were me I'd fix it and keep driving it.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
this is honestly a great point. thank you for this. my literally ONLY point of contention is when i get the transmission fixed, is this car otherwise future proof(at least relatively) but i guess that’s something only time can tell. i really don’t wanna get a new car
dontworryitsme4real@reddit
And since you know you've got a big bill coming up, you can still keep driving the car and maximize the savings for the next few paychecks.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
well, that’s a good point but won’t driving it more increase risk of the bad transmission messing with something else? or is that not a thing.
jules083@reddit
Probably best to fix it first. Without knowing exactly what's wrong nobody can say, but driving it the way it is certainly won't help the situation
dontworryitsme4real@reddit
Depending on what's wrong with it, that would be a question for your mechanic.
jules083@reddit
There's no such thing as future proof. Right now someone is driving a 300k mile Hyundai to work and someone else just scrapped their 60k mile Honda.
I'd drive it and hope for the best. Change your transmission fluid every 30k from here on out
Grimn90@reddit
Is there not 10 years on the transmission? Are you the second owner?
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
yeah unfortunately. gonna call to see if they’ll honor it or maybe give me a goodwill repair, cover some of the costs etc.
Grimn90@reddit
Definitely would be worth it. Is this a dealer quote or an independent shop? If it's a dealer and they won't help you with warranty or a good will gesture you should just go to a shop. Even so, paying the $3,800 for a transmission is cheaper than any alternative method unless you can somehow talk the dealer to give you a decent offer as a trade in, get a lease, and reset after the lease term and ditch Hyundai.
OkCartographer175@reddit
What's cheaper?
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
i really like the directness of it. you’re right
Anonymous-20-05@reddit
wow, i had literally same situation. i have 2020 elantry luxury 2.0 na cvt in canada, transmission failed at 85k kms, warranty was lapsed, local mechanic quoted 2k CAD, did that and now car works as new now at 113000k kms. i can see that you are inclined towards new car but i would refrain from that as i believe that car has atleast 3 yrs of life if properly maintained if not more. i got it during covid time at 0 interest and 0 down, give that it hasn't give me much of trouble and i am not planning not replace it anytime soon even if i have money for new car.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
i’m not too inclined toward a new car!! i love my car and would like to stay in it so thank you for saying this
HenryLoggins@reddit
The value isn’t there if the transmission is bad. Fix it and move on with your day. Lease is a rental, where your limited on how many miles you can drive. Bad idea in my opinion.
fastbeemer@reddit
Fix it. Period.
Cool-Negotiation7662@reddit
Your value after repair vs repair cost is favorable. Fix it.
Leasing gets you a new car every 3 years and a new payment. Depending on interest rates, residual value, and other factors leasing may offer a significantly lower payment, or it may offer a very small change in payment.
If you don't like car shopping don't lease. If you want the latest thing all the time, then lease.
AdEastern3117@reddit (OP)
leasing is off the table for me. it was just a suggestion from my mom and i was never going to take that advice anyways
Dazzling-Rest8332@reddit
I agree. Fix it.