What’s something that instantly tells you someone has never had to survive normal British life?
Posted by James_Whiteside45@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 146 comments
After a recent trip in Europe and seeing the public transport then returning and hearing people complaining about our public transport mine would be......
Assuming a bus will turn up because the timetable says so
No-Championship9542@reddit
Normal British people never use public transport, something like only 15% of people regularly use the train and even less use the bus. 75% of all miles traveled involve a car, the vast majority of moving anywhere is driving, if you use public transportation regularly you don't live a normal British life indeed what you do is highly abnormal. Compared to a car even European public transport is shit which is why I always rent a car.
theocrats@reddit
Miles travelled is obviously skewed towards cars.
I could walk to work 4x a week doing 1 mile each time. Then have a client meeting and have to do 50 miles in car. Using that metric it would seem I use my car more.
Those who commute by bus/bike/walking are doing shorter distances. As a consequence miles travelled is a flawed metric to use.
Where did you get the data on bus usage? I could only find 2014 data at that showed 16% of people use a bus >3x a week. That data also excluded private companies and long distance coaches.
Also worth remembering 25% of all UK households dont have cars.
No-Championship9542@reddit
How many people can walk to work? It's a nothing percentage .
54% of people live in cities, where would you get that 54% figure? And many cities, most, are far easier to drive around than anything else. It's only Londoners who use public transport.
Public transport is worthless, uncomfortable, slow and outdated. It has no place in the modern world.
theocrats@reddit
Wrong on all fronts.
Let's fact check all your lies.
16% of people catch buses. Not zero.
Almost 8% of people walk to work. Not zero
85% of people live in urban areas.
You seem to really hate public transport.
PsycommuSystem@reddit
I really disagree with this, I have been using public transport in European cities on trips for decades now and it's always superior to taking a taxi or renting a car, no hassle or stress, don't have to locate parking in a foreign city, cheaper and very rarely takes any extra time.
No-Championship9542@reddit
Why would you go to the cities, which are often dumps, when the countrysides of all these countries are the places worth going? Also I found driving around even Amsterdam and Berlin far easier than the public transport. I also find driving cheaper, particularly now you can get an electric.
PsycommuSystem@reddit
Because the cities tend to be full of history, monuments, museums, restaurants, hotels, etc etc. You could argue you can see a mountain or a river or a lake in any country, it's each to their own.
No-Championship9542@reddit
Unlike the Amalfi Coast? Lake Como? The vineyards of Burgundy? Tbh the best thing to do in France is Vimy Ridge or the V2 base in a mountain, neither in a city.
Yes I can see concrete and tourist traps in any city, they're all the same.
PsycommuSystem@reddit
I'm not disagreeing with you, it's entirely subjective is what I'm saying. You can just do both, I have been to Vimy Ridge and I've been to Paris for example.
fussyfella@reddit
Enjoy your drive from your Parisian hotel to the Louvre 😂
No-Championship9542@reddit
I hate Paris and would never go but I will beat you from Calais to Munich.
Sternschnuppepuppe@reddit
Yeh but only by an hour so, and I can nap or do whatever on the train (actually if you do breaks I might be quicker)
No-Championship9542@reddit
But driving is actively fun? The train is hell, like being tortured for hours, I can stop and see anything that interests me, load up 20 cases of wine, I don't get harassed by rapists and beggars. Also realistically it'll be hours quicker in the car as you'll end up delayed in Antwerp for 5 hours because someone jumped in front of a train.
Sternschnuppepuppe@reddit
I don’t think you have ever been on a continental long distance speed train.
No-Championship9542@reddit
In Italy and France, I found them terrible.
They're all far rarer than issues on trains.
EyeAware3519@reddit
"London = Britain" People who live in London.
mhoulden@reddit
I quite like the completely bonkers road trip itineraries that occasionally get posted here. Of course you can drive from London to Manchester with a stop off in Cardiff for lunch. It's only 340 miles.
Travels_Belly@reddit
It's almost always Americans. They tend to have this really weird mindset that travel is something you conquer. The more boxes you've checked off the more you've beaten it. They run at travel like it's an assault coarse and also being chased by bees. It doesn't matter how little time you spend it counts. I stood outside if Saint Paul's for 5 minutes it's done. I visited 29 locations un 2 days I've done London now racing up rhe country to Scotland so can check off Britain.
Yeah it's funny.
cute_bugz@reddit
Think it’s more that their country is so big - so like an 8 hour drive seems huge here but it’s pretty normalised there. Perception of distance is just different for them.
Imperator_Helvetica@reddit
To Europeans 100 miles is a long way. To Americans 100 years is a long time.
highrouleur@reddit
I always Time Team doing a show in the US. Over here they'd get a JCB out to dig and it was like "well the first 2 foot of earth is gonna have nothing interesting". The local archaeologists were appalled at the idea of a mechanical digger
bebu10@reddit
Yeah it's this and the fact that domestic flights in the US are so expensive. I'm an American who now lives here. I dated a British man for a bit in the US. I would regularly drive 8 hours to my dad's house for just 2 or 3 days and then drive back. Meanwhile my British partner took a picture of the GPS on a trip that said "take the exit in 581 miles" because he couldn't believe you could stay on one road that long.
skratakh@reddit
i think the other big thing is they have less at each location, so they travel to each spot thinking they can see everything in 30 mins, when most places are steeped in history and culture and need to be explored for a lot longer.
Any_Preference_4147@reddit
I love reading their itineraries on the travel sub. Some of them barely leave themselves enough time to take a picture, let alone actually get a feel for the place and explore.
I do feel for them, I think its because they don't have anywhere near the annual leave we get (none at all in some cases!), so they have to cram everything in a very short space of time.
I'd genuinely need a holiday after my holiday if I followed one of their itineraries!!
AdFancy6243@reddit
I think as well a 300 mile trip for them is hours of long open road, 300 miles in the UK is non stop traffic, changing junctions, roadworks, everything is just a lot denser
breadandbutter123456@reddit
300 miles of driving though New York rather than driving La to Los vegas
MrPogoUK@reddit
When we drove from one city to another in California it was like “turn right out of the hotel. Follow the road for 20 miles until you reach the highway. Turn left. Drive 200 miles. Turn left. Drive for three miles until you reach the hotel”.
SuboptimalOutcome@reddit
I used to have a similar experience commuting to Glasgow - get on the M6, go north until you run out of motorway, turn left, exit left when you can see the office.
EyeAware3519@reddit
Going on Vacation to Europe. Spends 10 hours a day on a bus.
Anglo-Euro-0891@reddit
The old "it's Tuesday, so it must be Belgium" joke. I met many such types when I was younger. They thought they could "Do Europe" in just a week or two.
EhDinnaeEvenKen@reddit
To be fair to the poor bastards; there's every chance that if they're working class, it might actually be the only foreign holiday they ever get to take.
highrouleur@reddit
Americans just holiday weirdly. I frequent the visitmallorca sub. Bearing in mind the island is roughly 50 miles top to bottom and similar side to side, it's pretty small, I've done one side of the island to the other and bike on a bicycle several.
The number of posts from Americans "I've got 6 days in Mallorca, we're gonna 2 days in palma, then heading to the east coast for 2 days, where to stay for the other 2 days?"
That's not a fucking holiday, go to one hotel, unpack, settle in and chill the fuck out
JoeBagadonut@reddit
I think a big part of it is that the hugeness of America makes driving long distances a much less mentally and physically taxing experience - Big straight open roads with little traffic for most of the journey.
In the UK, you’re very rarely far from a population centre and that means having to maintain your focus a lot more as you pass endless junctions, not to mention having to navigate our many country roads.
A 200-mile drive in the US is not the same as a 200-mile drive in the UK.
octoprickle@reddit
I kinda think it's a symptom of only being entitled to 2 weeks holiday per year. Cram as much shit in as possible.
MissionLet7301@reddit
Also a symptom of travelling long distances at a great expense to get to the destination. There's no shortage of British travellers who go to places like Japan and have itineraries trying to fit 3 months of activities into 3 weeks.
onionsofwar@reddit
Nah, I would be the first to dunk on Americans but I've definitely seen lots of Brits and Asian people who have 'done' a city or country. Stand in front, get the photo, next, next, next. People are shallow everywhere.
My fave is when people visit one place and then scratch off a whole, huge country from those scratch off maps!
MissionLet7301@reddit
Yeah, I think there are a lot of people where what they enjoy most about a holiday is coming home and telling everyone how much they've done.
I have a friend who does it and I went on holiday with them, it was 4 days, we stayed in Bratislava and got the train each day to Vienna, Prague, Budapest, spent almost no time in Bratislava other than sleeping, and just whizzed around the main landmarks in each city we went to, when we got back she was talking to everyone about everything we'd seen, I was just exhausted and felt like I needed another holiday.
She's a great friend but I'm never travelling with her again, we both travel for very different reasons (and that's totally okay to be honest).
Travels_Belly@reddit
Oh yeah agree definitely not exclusive to them but i do feel like they're the worst.
paulmclaughlin@reddit
It's the difference in roads as well. I once drove hundreds of miles in the US just to find a particular geocache when I had about 10 hours layover between flights. Doing the same here would drive me crazy
peppermint_aero@reddit
It's because, sadly, there's no legal minimum for annual leave in the US. Mist employers give you 10 or 15 days a year. Couple that with expensive flights and you see how the trips get condensed.
Shannoonuns@reddit
These are always wild to me.
Like maybe spending a day driving in the us is reasonable if you're in an automatic and driving on a big roomy highway the whole time but thats not really a thing here.
Especially if you're trying to get to fairly historic locations because you're probably going to spend a lot of time on either a congested one way system around a university town centre or down some insane country roads.
peppermint_aero@reddit
This is because their roads are much wider and faster to travel on. A 340 mile drive is easier there.
Master-Trick2850@reddit
people complaining about bag charges in 2026
No-Structure-8125@reddit
Why?
The whole point of the government bringing in a levy on the use of plastic bags, was to discourage their use.
Supermarkets could've moved to using a different material that is more easily recycled, and continued giving out bags for free.
Instead they have continued using plastic, and now charge us for the privellage!
The bags cost around 5p to produce, and the government set a charge of 10p. My local supermarket charges 40p per bag. So that's roughly 25p they're making per bag.
It's just capitalist bs framed as trying to save the environment.
Wiltix@reddit
Morrisons charge 40p for a paper bag. It’s absolutely daft.
Tall_Stick5608@reddit
It encourages you to bring a reusable bag and not just 3 paper bags
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
I'm sure this is totally the rationale on their end and the purpose isn't to just rip off customers for an easy profit.
glasgowgeg@reddit
You should stick it to them by bringing your own bags, then they won't make that easy profit or be able to "rip off" anyone.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
You're right, by taking a carrier bag with me wherever I go for the rest of my life on the off chance I need to pop into a shop, I'll really feel like I'm getting my own back.
glasgowgeg@reddit
It's a shame these bags are so difficult to carry, weighing kilograms each, otherwise you could live in such a world.
Until they invent a reusable plastic bag that only weighs a few grams, I guess this will be nothing but a pipe dream.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Yeah you're right, I'll stuff my jeans pockets which are so small that they can just about fit my wallet, phone, and keys in with giant reusable plastic bags.
Alternatively I guess I could just aimlessly carry empty bags with me around on the off-chance I might go to the shops at some point in my day.
glasgowgeg@reddit
They should invent the technology that allows a small plastic bag to be folded up to the size of roughly a jeans back pocket.
They should also invent jeans with 4 pockets, unlike the 3 pockets yours have. Phone and keys would go in the front 2, wallet in the back one, so if only there was an additional back pocket your problem would be resolved.
Clearly need to get the governments top science boffins on it, because this is an task of utmost importance.
Tall_Stick5608@reddit
Yes while it makes the store a profit - but also by offering them for free its still not good for the environment and does not encourage people to bring reusable bags. I’m not sure what the issue is because if you are against overpriced paper bags that are not fit for purpose making the store undeserved profits surely you will bring sturdy reusable ones so therefore what I’m saying makes sense.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Believe it or not, people who live in walkable communities who don't drive (e.g. in a city centre) aren't carrying reusable bags with them whenever they leave the house on the off chance their partner asks them to pop to the shop to pick up some milk, bread, and butter.
Which is actually somewhat irrelevant to my point anyway actually. This could all be negated by actually forcing these companies to donate their proceeds to charity.
Tall_Stick5608@reddit
I live in Central London and don’t even have a driving licence - I can take a reusable bag but perhaps because my girlfriend is European - who knows
Thunderoussshart@reddit
I live in central Manchester and will always have a tote bag with me when I leave the house. Even if I don't intend to do any shopping, I'll often remember something that I need when I'm already out and about. What the poster you were responding to described just sounds like bad planning to me. But I'm like your girlfriend - (continental) European. I didn't know reusable bags was a "European" thing lol.
metalshadow@reddit
I do haha, I generally keep an umbrella and a bottle water if not my kindle with me when I leave the house
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Yes I probably should have said "might not" since a comment like yours was basically inevitable lol
UniquePotato@reddit
Profits legally have to be given to charity
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
No they don't. It's just "expected". An expectation that seems to have been largely followed immediately after the charge was introduced, but since Covid that dropped off a cliff.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
Except places that do paper bags still charge and paper isn't suitable for British weather
glasgowgeg@reddit
The "plastic only" bit is only applicable to England. It's a legal requirement to charge for single-use bags regardless of material in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
I am on about in England
glasgowgeg@reddit
You never mentioned a location in your comment and the law differs depending on where in the UK you are.
I was simply clarifying that in 3/4 countries of the UK there is a legal requirement to charge for single-use bags regardless of material.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
Yes and I was talking about the law in my country
glasgowgeg@reddit
Second time, as you seem to have missed it in the first comment:
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
Yes and they can ask like the title says.
Seems like you just want to argue
glasgowgeg@reddit
The words you're looking for are "Fair enough, I didn't know the law differed in different parts of the country".
You don't need to continue with this embarrassing line you're taking.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
No I don't need any words just because you like to argue.
But next time maybe you will ask since that's in the title.
Also it's called ask UK not ask Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
glasgowgeg@reddit
Which is why I specified the differences in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England.
I pointed out there's no one law for the whole of the UK, clarifying the law in each part.
You're simply embarrassing yourself at this point, desperate for an argument and the last word, so feel free to have it.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
You mean just like what you are.
You can give your opinion but you obviously need to start an argument to do it.
Bksudbjdua@reddit
This is my gripe with it. Why am I paying 40p for a paper bag?
glasgowgeg@reddit
Where in the UK do you live? It's a legal requirement to charge for single-use bags regardless of material in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.
Ok_Aioli3897@reddit
Especially when half the time it's chucking it down so you have a disintegrating bag to deal with at the same price as what a plastic one would cost
No-Structure-8125@reddit
Charging for paper bags brings us back to my point about it all being capitalist bs, yeah.
glasgowgeg@reddit
Because they've existed for anywhere between 11-15 years ago, so if you're still refusing to bring your own bags and whinging about the cost, you need to get over yourself and grow up.
glasgowgeg@reddit
The legal requirement to charge for single-use bags in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland applies to bags regardless of material.
Only England has the "plastic only" bit.
UniquePotato@reddit
All proceeds from bags have to go to charity.
Though many retailers claim this is philanthropic charity donation rather than a government mandated donation
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/carrier-bag-charge-summary-of-data-in-england/single-use-plastic-carrier-bags-charge-data-for-england-2024-to-2025
glasgowgeg@reddit
There is no legal requirement for the proceeds to go to charity.
Master-Trick2850@reddit
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/carrier-bag-charges-retailers-responsibilities
All single use bags must be charged, not just plastic
If you dont like it then bring your own bag.
glasgowgeg@reddit
Not in England, only in Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland.
Did you read the link you cited?
notemark@reddit
In all fairness the guidance states that you must charge for bags that are "all of the following"
Unless I'm mistaken paper would be outside this remit and thus a conscious decision by the retailer to charge.
peppermint_aero@reddit
Or you could bring your own
GlumAd9856@reddit
If the supermarket is charging more than the government mandate then . . . . clearly the mandate doesn't matter?
Yes, it's capitalism, the system upon which our economy and all supermarkets operate. You have free-will to decide whether 40p is an acceptable price to charge for a bag and to make other arrangements if it isn't.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Just so you're aware, the government don't actually charge anything. That's just the minimum. All the revenue goes into the business. The money is "supposed" to go to charity, but the revenue is rarely earmarked in that way and just goes straight into the rest of the business. Indeed, when I looked into this recently, charitable donations have gone substantially down since Covid (despite bag charges ballooning), because the government doesn't actually bother enforcing the charity rule as it's only a recommendation.
eikerir@reddit
Thinking that just because it looks sunny before you leave the house that you don't need to bring a coat or umbrella with you.
folklovermore_@reddit
The flip side of this: it's a bit grey so you think "better take a coat", then go outside and it's weirdly muggy so you end up getting all sweaty.
SilverCompetitive902@reddit
Everytime i dont take a coat.
OkPhilosopher5308@reddit
My grandfather always said “if it’s dry - take a coat, if it’s wet - please yourself”
CthulhusEvilTwin@reddit
Our flat is permanently cold, so we regular wander outside thinking its subzero temperature then discover everyone else is wearing shorts and tshirts and we look like mentalists in our coats.
januarynights@reddit
This is me! I've learned to check the temp before I go outside and dress appropriately instead of melting because I've assumed I can keep my jumper on outside.
eikerir@reddit
Can never win really
Mac4491@reddit
Living in the north east of Scotland, and now Orkney, I've gone out for a walk with the dog in sunny summer-like weather in April and returned home covered in snow.
Melly-The-Elephant@reddit
There's an Icelandic word for this!
Gluggaveður
It means 'Window Weather'
CaptainVigelius@reddit
The icelandic for weather is really just a person saying "weather" in an icelandic accent?
RafRafRafRaf@reddit
Is it not maybe more that we were given the word weather by some Viking visitors, who also distributed it to a bunch of other places?
DTH2001@reddit
See also the word ‘window’, which replaced the earlier eagþyrel (eye hole)
Extreme-Material964@reddit
I still make this mistake tbh, despite being born and raised here. 😅
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
Or people thinking that because the sun's out it's warm. Wrong!
audigex@reddit
Sun's out guns out. I don't make the rules, hen
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
Second the sun peeks behind the clouds I'm flexing my nonexistent biceps and kissing the thin air above each of them.
MissionLet7301@reddit
Those days where it's warm in the sun but the moment you enter a shadow it feels like you've walked into an industrial freezer
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
Or you turn a corner into icy winds of the kind that make you feel as though you've accidentally stumbled into Scott's doomed Antarctic expedition.
eikerir@reddit
So wrong, I still fall for this from time to time.
ume-shu@reddit
Lived here my entire life, still never learn.
LetsChatLife@reddit
When a single leaf falls from the tree and onto the train tracks, your train is going nowhere
GDH26@reddit
Depends on the type of leaf
Jetstream-Sam@reddit
I'm down saaf and where I live, they for some reason decided to run train lines next to the coastline, except if they get too wet then they can't run trains
I think I'd trade a slightly less pretty train ride for the consistency of it actually being likely to get to my destination within three or four hours
Casual_Precision@reddit
You should have made that decision 150 years ago when the Train lines were laid out! Don’t blame Brunel for your planning!
OneDay_OneLife@reddit
Dealing with the savagery from seagulls pinching your chips at the beach.
ThisIsMyRedditAcct20@reddit
Seagulls stealing chips is the classic, but they are vicious. Living in Bath, they would rip up bin bags set out. I’m all for Culling the Gulls
purplepeopleater205@reddit
Just this weekend a seagull knocked a donut out of my hand while I was taking a bite out of it in Brighton.
I don't usually mind seagulls but they were far more savage than in other seaside places I've visited.
Anglo-Euro-0891@reddit
Doughnut.
purplepeopleater205@reddit
purplepeopleater205@reddit
There's two legitimate spellings lol 😂
SamVimesBootTheory@reddit
A while back in Brighton I had an experience where I was nosing around in a shop and then I hear all this calamity outside and I'm like 'Oh shit what happened is someone hurt?'
Turned out a gull had done a daring fly by on someone at a nearby cafe.
Kim_catiko@reddit
A seagull took a massive chunk out of my ice cream about four weeks ago on Paignton beach. Arsehole.
InYourAlaska@reddit
A seagull pinched my son’s sandwich once (luckily he had thrown it on the table, it wasn’t out of his hands)
I let out a scream very unbecoming of a man in his late 20s. Fucker could’ve easily passed for an albatross.
Hope the bastard thing had a peanut allergy.
Kim_catiko@reddit
Lol, I also screamed and scared a man who was walking behind us. He thought I was being attacked.
moofacemoo@reddit
Thanks for that short, charming tale. Tosser.
Left_Doubt4267@reddit
This reminds me of many years ago in whitby, my aunt ,who had just had a "shampoo and set" getting dive bombed by a gull after her chips And getting tangled in her hair, frightning at the time, but hilarious in recounts.
SamVimesBootTheory@reddit
My brother once had an encounter with some gulls where he worked out they were trying to use diversion tactics on him, the one that swooped him was not the one trying to steal his food.
JeffSergeant@reddit
I do not understand zis country https://youtu.be/gzmuRYKRLHw?si=fJZ2Om6WyM9jkRe9
wowsomuchempty@reddit
Believing a trip to the pub is "just for a quick one".
Complex_Box_7254@reddit
We have the Bee Network in Manchester now. With an app where you can follow the buses route live. It's been completely accurate for me so far so no worries about whether the bus is on its way or not.
engineering-scienct@reddit
A non-British accent.
Sea_Pomegranate8229@reddit
Shops that produce food that it is only possible to sell to, and only possible to eat by, customers who are too drunk to walk without the assistance of a wall.
Gloomy-Kale3332@reddit
People not knowing the real bin collection struggle hahaha
Remote_Development13@reddit
Laughs in Birmingham
Gloomy-Kale3332@reddit
also laughs in Birmingham
Remote_Development13@reddit
Beautiful day for a spot of trauma bonding ❤️
Gloomy-Kale3332@reddit
Agreed, it would also be a beautiful day to do a tip run, but there’s no slots for a month 🥲❤️
NewFUTUK@reddit
Not sure if this is helpful or not, apologies if it isn't, but the Perry Barr tip has open slots every day. I appreciate it might be a drive, but they don't check address (or they never have for me) and I'm usually in and out in 20 mins (I avoid 5-7pm)
Gloomy-Kale3332@reddit
Its really far for me, an hour each way and I’d be making that journey with a toddler who doesn’t like the car 😭 obviously if things become desperate I will have to go there but just desperately trying to find one in kings Norton, even Tyseley which is still 40 mins from me would be okay
Mad_as_alice@reddit
Poor Brummies :(
RoyofBungay@reddit
Assuming that people will know how to Lidl. As usual British exceptionalism, we don't pack at the blue shelf here. Individualist selfish attitude writ large.
Toatkgstuff@reddit
Expecting food bought from a corner shop to be edible.
snakeoildriller@reddit
Ah yes, the infamous "meat" product encased in pastry that Chernobyl would be proud of.
Toatkgstuff@reddit
Does the Happy Shopper brand still exist? I feel like Londis is the route of all stomarch cancer.
OmegaMaster8@reddit
Thinking that trains are always on time.
RetroBoxRoom@reddit
When it snows - their local council doesn’t act like snow is something new every year to their country’s land mass.
Gloomy-Kale3332@reddit
This is always something that gets me, when people not from the UK say ‘we get more snow and we handle it just fine’ that’s because you get an average of 260 snow ploughs going through a day at a MINIMUM and in England you’re lucky to get 1 once the snow has already started 😂😭
Cheaddar86@reddit
In all faorness my local council stopped doing this after around a decade if claiming a grit shortage every single winter, now theyve just swapped to "grit doesnt help with snow anyway, it's only for ice lol" I mean ignoring the fact that its a week later and the snow has turned into a layer of sheet ice everywhere.
Nimble_Natu177@reddit
Any questions that turn up on here that show a complete lack of social skills.
TSMeadows@reddit
Thinking a GP appointment means you'll actually see a doctor that week. Or that week. Or possibly that month.
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