Entrepreneurs in East Europe after dissolution of the USSR
Posted by ImaginaryZucchini272@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 32 comments
I always wondered how the entrepreneurship started in the Balkans and generally in Eastern Europe. Was it possible to have private companies before 1990?
How people started businesses after the fall of communism? Where did they found the capitals?
Thanks for your answers.
hruschov@reddit
I can say for Yugoslavia. My dad had a private company. Worked for state owned companies and sometimes outbid state owned companies.
For reference, he drove 3 or 4 year old BMW in the 80s. And he inherited this company from my gradpa who started it in the 60s.
So, yes it was possible to have private companies.
As for after the 90s a lot of companies got privatised be it where former CEOs got credits, or some people bought voucher (like stocks) from workers to get the company or got the company for 1 mark with all the debts (funny trick, the machines and land and other property was more worth then the debt by itself) with the promise to get the company up until running.
And a lot of companies were sold to foreign companies, like telecommunications or hotel companies.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
It's wacky.
USSR's "Liberal reforms" ensured that state companies who got sustained by the state ware "independent" enough as to not be subjugated by state regulation/supervision/management. and "engage with the state on their own terms" as opposed to fulfilling their planned objectives in a competitive manner.
"Factory Directors" ware essentially equivalent to the Western CEO/Shareholder Nepo Aristocracy. The only way for someone to become a Factory Director was to be born from a Factory Director lineage (which ware self-deemed as "Eugenically superior than the unwashed masses"), and those mfrs always abused every single atom of influence & connections they got to de-facto be the upper class of the Soviet block.
Interestingly enough the Warsaw Pact had it's own equivalence of the "Poor Innocent CEO" narratives that you see today, they went something along the lines of:
[Oh you see, Directors inherit their positions because they are dumb, incapable, and good for nothing other than such symbolic low effort desk work, a really pitiful bunch- But you young Pioneer, you get live the Soviet dream by being hard working and smart enough as to make it that far with your own qualities! You can become anything you ever want so long as it remains being a factory worker.... You see the Directors are really pitiful, and really need to retain their useless symbolic position in order not to starve!]
LibertyChecked28@reddit
The worst part was the incentive to undermine the system which had slowly turned those Nepo Directors into our modern day Oligarchs.
Since the factories ware always supplied by the State, rewarded little to nothing for doing their job properly, and compensated in the case of 'material shortages' it was smart to create "Material Shortages" by stealing their own supply, selling it on the black market, and requesting compensation by the state for the 'missing' supply.
Also as the entire system artificially revolved around the good will of the factories to do their job whenever they've felt like it, there was unaccounted possibility for recketeering via production shortages: If the State refused to compensate a bread factory that had stole their supply, all other bread factories who ware also on this scheme could 'conveniently' loose all of their flour, create artificial bread shortage, and blame it on the state for "not providing them with enough flour to bake bread" even tough there had been an all times high overabundance of flour everywhere.
Anna_akademika@reddit
It was possible to have private businesses before 1990 but only in very limited ways. Some countries like Poland and Hungary allowed small shops or crafts. Yugoslavia was more relaxed. In the Soviet Union things were mostly state controlled until 1988 when they introduced the law on cooperatives. That was the first real step toward legal private enterprise.
But a lot of business actually happened in the grey or black market. People fixed shoes, sewed clothes, sold stuff under the table. Some estimates say the shadow economy made up almost half of personal income in the USSR by the late 80s. So people already had experience, just not legally.
After the fall of communism, entrepreneurship exploded because people had to survive. Factories closed, inflation was crazy, salaries didn’t come. So everyone started selling something.
Where did the money come from? Many became "shuttle traders". They would take a train to Turkey, China, or Poland, buy cheap clothes or electronics, and sell them at home. That was the most common start.
Bigger money came from privatization. In Russia especially, state factories and resources were sold off. Some were auctioned, some were given through vouchers. The loans for shares scheme in the mid 90s created the oligarchs. People with connections got the best assets for almost nothing.
Foreign money helped too. Poland had joint ventures with Western diaspora as early as 1976. Hungary and Czechia sold companies to Western investors.
And then there were the red directors, former communist managers who used their connections to grab state property. Or people who already ran underground businesses just went legit.
One_more_drink_@reddit
Great comment. Also foreign currency was directly injected in the local economy by criminal crews who extracted money through shady means in the West and came back home to celebrate it.
Anna_akademika@reddit
Thank you, that's a really good point and I should have mentioned it. A lot of the early capital came from criminal groups too. In Russia, the Balkans, and the Baltics especially, organized crime networks were laundering money or just bringing cash back from scams, theft, or smuggling in Western Europe. That money went straight into real estate, shops, casinos, and even legitimate looking companies. Sometimes the same people running the protection rackets were the first ones opening nightclubs or car dealerships. It was dirty but it was real liquidity when banks were worthless. So yeah, that was a huge piece of the puzzle.
One_more_drink_@reddit
Exactly, they came back home an invested, building what they saw in their travels in Western Europe.
I've seen you also mentioned a few sources in your other comments, great comments.
Anna_akademika@reddit
Thank you! I love reading about it, even if I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to economic matters
ImaginaryZucchini272@reddit (OP)
Very nice and detailed picture. Thanks!
Do you know if there are some books on this topic?
Anna_akademika@reddit
"How Capitalism Was Built: The Transformation of Central and Eastern Europe, Russia, and Central Asia", and "The Second Economy in Marxist States". I would also recommend "Entrepreneurship and Small Business Development in Post-Socialist Economies", but it's a harder book to read
markohf12@reddit
Ehh, sort off, Yugoslavia was more chill, so you could technically own and operate a private shop/service/contractor, as long as "it's your own private income/service" - it was allowed, the moment you cross the hiring more people outside of friends and family it became a problem, at least in Macedonia.
It also made a massive difference where in YU you did this, in Slovenia it was encouraged and some limited liability structures were even available, in Kosovo it was informally restricted.
All of this wasn't regulated (so no LLC), but nobody was stopping you from being an entrepreneur, it wasn't like the USSR where this was completely banned and enforced.
Tramagust@reddit
It was not possible in Romania. But immediately after the fall all the family members of the communist leaders started businesses that had state contracts on day 1.
CmdrJemison@reddit
Crime
determine96@reddit
Wasn't you the guy who often befroe was complaining that people like Bulgarians who go to Europe are mostly doing illegal stuff and are ruining you peacs ?
Or the problem is that you changed since than and we aren't ?
CmdrJemison@reddit
No. That's wasn't complaining. ❤️
determine96@reddit
Observation ?
CmdrJemison@reddit
I know people.
determine96@reddit
They do, just it's interesting to me that you mentioned it before and now you are saying this.
And I'm not so familiar with the Croatian underground so that's why I wasn't responding you.
About crime I don't think it was the same as the 90's.
At least where I live, a small town but on the border in which many people are invloved in drug trafficking and such when they get caught by the police usually in small scale crimes and they get mild sentences like probation they go to work in Europe, but they don't do crimes there usually.
Only one guy I know who has prostitutes in Holland.
Like we have criminals, but I don't think our mafia or criminals have significant impact on the crime in Europe.
As I said even low level criminals here work on the fields in France and England when they get in trouble here.
Or they are invlolved in robbings and such which can impact the ordinary European.
Mostly prostitutes I can think of, not gonna lie even in Bulgaria is full of them.
Other stuff are mostly Romani.
I mean many of them also work, but those who beg and pickpocket are mostly them, maybe some of the leaders can be Bulgarians, but I know that Romani also have strong families who are invloved in such stuff, like the "Kardarashi" clan who are invloved in such stuff. (One of my neighbors was from that clan and when he died loke 200 kardarashi was present on its funeral, the streets around me was full of Bentleys, Mercedes and such).
CmdrJemison@reddit
Didn't even read your essay.
determine96@reddit
Why tho ?
CmdrJemison@reddit
My dog is ill. Got to get batteries now so I can check his temperature. Also this is reddit. I really don't care about what I said ages ago. But glad you remember my name.
determine96@reddit
Of course you wouldn't, shouldn't care but on this platform we try to know each other's countries and such..
I often read your subs (I categorized them as "Yugoslav") and I when I read some things from "your" side I don't know what to think.
Some Serbs for example still think in Bulgaria there is "drumski razbojnici" who will robb them on the road and such..
So maybe I want to go where your people are in Germany, Austria etc and maybe the guy who will be my boss or hires me will be Serbian, Croatian and he will think the same and he will be an obstacle for my career development.
You know sometimes stereotypes may hurt people..
CmdrJemison@reddit
I'm good with everyone, mate. I am sorry if I hurt you. I will consider that in future
determine96@reddit
Sorry that I "used" you for that, but Balkan people are masters at diversion, so that's why I tried to pressure you.
Anyway, I hope you dog gets better.
CmdrJemison@reddit
If believing you used me makes you feel good.
determine96@reddit
If believing answering like this makes you clever or something good for your ego.
CmdrJemison@reddit
If you think that's what I believe than jokes on you anyway.
determine96@reddit
This wasn't my intention but anyways.
Fraeri idemo dokraja ! (Or something like that)
CmdrJemison@reddit
Of course it wasn't /s
No-Championship-4632@reddit
After the fall of the regime there were a few years where the socialist party (which is what the communist party rebranded into) ran the government. In that period, a lot of people with connections to the party had money given to them to start businesses (mostly loans from state banks, but some were given cash). Those were called "red suitcases", shortened from "suitcases with red money". That was their head start. Many failed eventually, some have businesses still running and some became oligarchs. For a period of time, those held a significant share of the private business while the rest of the businesses (except the one started by organized crime) were growing slowly.
Red suitcases created all kinds of companies as their owners had various backgrounds. Some even started electronics or software businesses. Many of the surviving ones are struggling today and they are the worst place to land a job, cause they are often complete chaos with lack of proper processes, huge employee turnover and low salaries, the owners are old farts that don't learn from anything.
ImaginaryZucchini272@reddit (OP)
Interesting. Do you know if there are some books on this topic?
No-Championship-4632@reddit
Probably there are, but it's not a topic that I am highly interested in, so no idea.