Russia names general sanctioned over Bucha killings as new Aerospace Forces commander
Posted by Ollyfer@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 47 comments
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
And the race to the bottom continues.
kwonza@reddit
Do they have any videos of him being there and doing the killings or maybe they have his order to “kill-kill-kill”? No? I bet they just looked up who was the general that troops in that region responded to and designated him as “responsible”. Like saying Hegseth is responsible for bombing Iranian schoolchildren because technically he was.
sofixa11@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_responsibility
Yes, a commander is responsible for the behaviour of his troops, it's literally what their job is.
kwonza@reddit
So Trump is responsible for bombing of Iranian girls since he is Commander in Chief?
Then why not blame Gerasimov who is commanding the army? Why stop at the upper-middle manager who was nowhere near the fucking place and has several layers of command below him?
itcheyness@reddit
Yes, he should be executed for crimes against humanity along with everyone else in his regime.
kwonza@reddit
What about Obama and Biden? They sanctioned drone strikes that killed numerous kids and civilians in general. Or is it somehow different?
itcheyness@reddit
Them too.
kwonza@reddit
Deal, the moment you send Obama, Bush, Biden and Trump to Hague we’ll put Putin on the first plane to meet them there.
Intelligent_Diet_257@reddit
Honestly, I don't understand why you keep arguing with them. No one here cares about the truth; all that matters is maintaining the "correct" discourse. In this regard, this subreddit is no different from other popular political subs, like worldnews. There's just more hatred of Israel here, that's all.
...Which is ironic, considering how many times Zelenskyy himself and his entourage have spoken about wanting to turn Ukraine into a "big Israel."
sofixa11@reddit
Don't project your mental illness on others.
Intelligent_Diet_257@reddit
Oh, really? So you're telling me that the entire Reddit (including this sub) didn't actually blame Russia for blowing up its own gas pipeline? Or for Russia allegedly killing two Polish farmers?
So russian are dumb, but you and other great civilized europeans are not? What a nice words you're tell...
sofixa11@reddit
Whatabout however much you want. Your armed forces are a war criminal organisation and the general who is the topic of this conversation is a war criminal. Deflect as much as you want, it doesn't fucking matter.
The ones who are acting dumb, like trying to whatabout their army's war crimes, are dumb, yes. Any more questions?
Intelligent_Diet_257@reddit
You yourself said that I was "projecting my mental illness," clearly implying that I'm wrong in what I'm saying and that someone here cares about the truth. That's why I asked these questions, trying to figure out if you're right. And for some reason, it seems you don't want to answer them...
You're so full of yourself. So, for you, pointing out hypocrisy is a sign of dumbing, right? Or are you saying it's not actually hypocrisy?
sofixa11@reddit
Where is the hypocrisy?
Commanders bear responsibility for war crimes of their subordinates, especially when they ordered or encouraged them. End of fucking story.
It doesn't matter if they're Russian, Malian, Syrian or American.
It really is that simple.
Intelligent_Diet_257@reddit
Since you continue to avoid answering questions normally, I assume that you agree with me that no one here cares about the truth. It really is that simple.
In any case, it's clear that you're just being rude and inconsistent, so I see no point in continuing this pointless farce. I do not even know why you are picking on me, because I was not even the initiator of this dispute. You can continue to play your role as an arrogant parrot, shouting insults and "WHATABOUTISM" every three words with someone else.
sofixa11@reddit
What questions? There isn't a single good faith question by a russian in this thread. You're all trying to deflect and whatabou, even after being told multiple times that war crimes are war crimes, regardless of perpetrator.
I'm sorry, anyone who tries to whatabout war crimes is by definition a piece of shit. I'm not picking on you.
kwonza@reddit
First of all, I was having a slow day at work. Second it happened to me multiple times when I read a heavily downvoted comment and it changed my perspective on the issue. Sure 80% will do a circlejerk and downvote, but there’s always 20% that won’t
Intelligent_Diet_257@reddit
20% is too optimistic in my opinion...
Well, in any case, I'll hope you're partly right, even though I personally think it's a waste of time and effort. To them, we'll be uncivilized orcs no matter what.
kwonza@reddit
You say like Reddit is 10 people, there are plenty of folks from “global South” who won’t mind hearing both sides
Intelligent_Diet_257@reddit
Perhaps. However, the Russo-Ukrainian conflict is still very Eurocentric at its core, so I don't think people from the "Global South," or even people from Asia are particularly interested in this topic. Especially on Reddit. There aren't even that many Russians there.
sofixa11@reddit
As I said, no amount of whataboutism changes this.
Yes, all levels of command are responsible, to different extents.
NationCrusher@reddit
Russians and their “whatabout-ism”. A Cold War Era tactic whenever people criticized the Soviet government. Cute
And by ALL MEANS, go out there and prosecute all the Americans responsible for war crimes. I’m rooting for you pal!
kwonza@reddit
Nope, your warcrimes, your war criminals, you deal with them. Also shouting whataboutism on everything is stupid since things are measured in comparison in order to draw a baseline. And by the way, whataboutism was used by racist US to shift the discussion from rights of Black Americans to other topics. So like you say cute to see the tool is still hard at work
Jersey_2019@reddit
I am pro russia but your army is utter shameless , your ancestors would disown your gen considering the disaster progress y'all made 😂, give it up and just sell your oil for cheap and give all your engines
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Yes. Except a general is closer to the action than the vice president.
The general screwed up (badly - at best), he is responsible. Everyone all the way up the chain including the president is also responsible.
It's like saying the general in command who ordered the strike which hit the school is responsible. Which he is.
kwonza@reddit
The troops stationed in Bucha was, what, a company at best? Companies are commanded by a major, then you have a regiment commanded by a colonel and then divisions commanded by a general. So one general has 30 to 60 companies under his command.
Do you think he micromanages each one of them?
chris_dea@reddit
If a team doesn't win, they sack the coach, even though the coach is not himself on the pitch.
If a company doesn't perform, they sack the CEO.
If a company commits an atrocity, it is because the general has lost control over the people under him or actively encouraged the circumstances that led to the outcome.
Either way, he is a war criminal and should be treated as such. As should the commander in chief. But we all know how that goes.
kwonza@reddit
So if one McDonald’s in Bulgaria is giving people food poisoning your only option is to fire the manager responsible for the entire country?
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Did that manager promote the guy responsible for the screw up? Sounds like an incompetent fool at best.
Xper10@reddit
Unlike the CEOs in your case, the Russian general may deliver very high value for the Russian army despite these acts, so that's why he's kept. Furthermore, the amount of crimes committed by the Russians in Ukraine doesn't make a dent compared to the stratospheric amount of war-crimes committed by the West in countries like Iraq, Libya, or Palestine, which the Russian army obviously takes into consideration.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Not my case. The other Russian guys case. What about all the war crimes committed by Russia in other countries? Lol.
Are you lumping every country you don't like together as "the west" and then saying "look, our war crimes in 4 years aren't as bad as every other country for the last 50 years combined". This isn't the dunk you think it is.
You're including Israel as one of these members? They're as bad as Russia on their own. We generally don't like them either.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
That is worthy of a Zionist defence. I’d say “well done,” but it wasn’t.
kwonza@reddit
With Zionist you can see warcrimes documented every single day. Here you have war that goes on for five years, million of people involved and the only case that Reddits keeps moaning about took place 4 years ago with one specific company.
Sure, totally the same thing
Nine-Eyes-@reddit
Oooh I wonder what deflections we'll get on this one.
hyperxtc@reddit
Factual timeline of the events in Bucha
Mar 30 - Russian troops leave Bucha.
Mar 31 - Mayor of Bucha announces town liberated, makes no mention of atrocities.
https://ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445989-bucha-liberated-from-russian-invaders-mayor.html
The mayor of Bucha in Kyiv region, Anatoliy Fedoruk, stated that the town had been liberated from Russian troops. Fedoruk said this in his video address posted on Facebook, Ukrinform reports. "March 31 will go down in the history of our Bucha community as the Day of Liberation. ..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNuMJNIS64
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/02/world/ukraine-russia-war/scenes-of-desperation-and-death-as-the-russians-retreat-from-suburbs-outside-kyiv
Ukrainian soldiers from the Azov battalion walked through the remnants of a Russian military convoy in the recently liberated town of Bucha on Saturday, just outside the capital after the Russians withdrew.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war/lede
Footage posted by Ukraine’s Defense Ministry and photographs from news agencies showed the bodies of men in civilian clothes on the streets of Bucha, a town northwest of Kyiv. Images showed some corpses with hands bound behind their back.
Related material:
Italian report on TG24 concludes that it's likely that some, or many, Bucha civilians were executed by Ukrainians
Sergey "Boatsman" Korotkikh posted a video titled "The BOATSMAN BOYS in Bucha" on April 4th, deleted quickly after the official Bucha narrative was established. At the 6 second mark you can hear the dialogue:
"There are guys without blue armbands, can I shoot them?"
"Fuck yeah"
@0:28 [quieter] "Please don't kill me. We beg"
TLDR: Azov shot any civilian wearing a white armband (signifying that they were friendly/civilians) or in possession of Russian MRE's (traded to them by the Russian soldiers in return for fresh food like eggs and milk). It was a callous act of rage against "treasonous civilians" which, when discovered, was opportunistically warped by western media/intelligence to simultaneously whitewash the neo nazis and to create a "Ukrainian Srebrenica" that would unite the world against the orcs.
As an aside: Due to the messy unplanned nature of this "op" not garnering the desired outrage, the MI6 affiliated groups such as Azov continued to stage attacks on civilians, including the Kramatorsk train station massacre and the bombing of the Mariupol Maternity Hospital.
Lowered12@reddit
You forgot about Bucha being false flag done by Ukraine
ChykchaDND@reddit
Last time I remembered there was no open case to see evidence, russian investigators were not allowed to participate.
I mean if we, Russians, are so barbaric, why there is only one instance of Bucha?
NoPriorThreat@reddit
There is not one instance of Bucha, that one was the first to made public.
ChykchaDND@reddit
Can you provide sources for such claims?
NoPriorThreat@reddit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mass-grave-55-bodies-found-040323944.html
ChykchaDND@reddit
I can write that Ukrainians eat babies and put a photo of scary man too, you know.
From the source itself:
"Reuters could not independently determine the causes or timing of the deaths."
NoPriorThreat@reddit
then please, post Reuters article about Ukrainians eating babies. I will wait.
Nine-Eyes-@reddit
Because only a moron would allow the perpetrator access to crime scene so they can potentially tamper with it, especially not one with a history of doing exactly that.
You honestly think Russia only did one atrocity?
ChykchaDND@reddit
If it did other such cases they would be media mainstreamed same as Bucha.
A case can only be solved with both parties involved.
HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE@reddit
We're speedrunning this bingo, the Olgino boys have started their shift 🥸
Ollyfer@reddit (OP)
“Bucha didn't happen, but if it did, the general in charge deserves a promotion!”
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