Ryzen 7 7800X3D/RTX 5070 TI or Ryzen 7 9800X3D/9070XT
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As the title suggests I am quite stumped between these two combinations to select from. There is a $200 difference with the 5070 TI combination costing me $200 more than the 9070 XT.
At the end of the day the difference between $1800 and $2000 is quite negligible BUT, I want the best bang for my buck. I think the 5070 TI outperforms the 9070 XT and I also know the 9800X3D out performs the 7800X3D. They seem like they would balance each other out and the selection would go towards the 9070 XT build but I’m just not informed enough to make that decision.
It also cannot be ignored that unfortunately DLSS has an abundance more support on games than FSR. I know that FSR4 competes almost directly with DLSS 4 but only being available on roughly \~100 games vs \~1000+ games isn’t quite fair.
So with that in mind, $1800 vs $2000, same storage and same DDR5 6000 MHz RAM, what would you choose? Is it worth the $200 extra dollars to get a 5070 TI with worse CPU? Should I get the cheaper system and save for when the next big GPU comes out? Let me know your thoughts!
Assume all other specs are equal. Assume gaming in 1080p 240 Hz or (trying) 4K 120Hz or minimum 4K 60Hz.
Ok_Complex9696@reddit
Go 9800x3d and the 9070xt for linux. Nvidia will be a pain on linux and I run a 7800x3d with a 9070xt on cachyos with absolutely no issues
itchygentleman@reddit
7800x3d/5070ti. upgrading the CPU down the road is less punishing than upgrading the GPU.
yolo_chicken_master@reddit
I think its the other way around
itchygentleman@reddit
so youd pay 2k for a scalped 6070 Ti instead of a few hundred for a 9800X3D?
aragorn18@reddit
For gaming, I'd go with 7800X3D + 5070 Ti.
re_Butayarou@reddit
This is the setup I'm running now, I upgraded from 7500f 4060ti 16g 2 months ago
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
Gaming is the main motive, do you have much experience with Nvidia GPUs operating on Linux?
dabbers4123@reddit
Careful then used less youre pretty driver savvy. Amd has open source drivers which is 10x easier to deal with on Linux compared to nvidias proprietary ones. Linux is on od the few where amd runs smoother and has better drivers for Linux specifically. Unless you need CUDA for rendering or other things amd is more stable with less tinkering than nvidia. Now if you are savvy and can work through the kinks itll perform as well or 5% ish better but is that worth the probable headache it may cause getting it there.
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
This is the type of information I was looking for, I’m sure I could research a workaround if one was available for my specific Linux software I’m going to use but I also appreciate simple.
I contemplated just debloating the windows software and calling it good but there is something appealing about SteamOS that makes me lean towards AMD.
I’m curious what your opinion on the hardware selections you would choose with this in mind? Would you swallow the $200 dollars and choose the 5070 TI because it offers better performance and stick with windows or choose the AMD route because the performance difference is negligible but frees you up to use either OS freely (and easily)?
Intranetusa@reddit
Are you dual booting with both Windows and Linux or just planning to stick with Windows? If you plan to use Linux then AMD will be better. If you plan to use CUDA then you will need Nvidia.
It also depends on the games you want to play. If you want Path Tracing or very heavy ray tracing games (eg. Black Myth Wukong, Indiana Jones, etc) then the 5070 Ti will be a good deal better. In most games and games with more moderate Ray Tracing settings, the 9070 XT will come pretty close to the 5070 Ti.
Personally, I'd just get the cheaper CPU (the 9800X3D is pretty close in performance to the 7800X3D), and get the GPU depending on your specific needs.
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
I could dual boot, I’m still unsure.
I appreciate the insight! I do have a really nice TV so something to upscale and make use of the RT features would be beneficial. AMD thought wouldn’t bottleneck me into a windows only system and give me more freedom.
Sounds like I need to figure out what I want first 🤣 I appreciate the information!
SHARK_QUASAR@reddit
Also to note as you plan to play on TV too linux doesnt support HDMI 2.1, that may change soon as I read an article that said Valve is working to change it.
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
That is actually good to know, I didn’t know that
Chinny4daWinny@reddit
Hey OP! I was in a similar-ish boat. I went from a 12700k and 3070ti to the 7800x3d and 9070xt on Ubuntu.
I got my 7800 for $275 plus tax this was during the microcenter Arizona opening deal) so I didn’t see the benefit spending almost double for the 9800x3d and getting 10% more performance.
Initially I didn’t like the fact amd was behind in ai due to cuda being more supported and was regretting switching to amd until I tried it on Ubuntu rather and windows.
The improvements for rocm support on Linux made running local ai models a lot better and the only thing I was now “regretting” was multiplayer game support and anti-cheat. But Linux is getting support with that now so that’ll almost be a non issue.
Things were perfect until I tried Nioh 3 and for some reason, playing it on Ubuntu wasn’t as good as I’d like. I thought it was only bad game optimization from UE5 but then I dual booted windows 10 to try it there and maybe it’s the windows amd game drivers or team ninja not properly optimizing the game for Linux, but it felt and ran smoother on windows.
Ultimately I’m happy with my purchase and have Ubuntu as my main os. Nioh 3 and adobe lightroom are the 2 things I use windows for and even then I’m switching over to darktable and I can wait for Nioh 3 to release more performance patches before I fully dive in, I can use optiscaler and inject DLSS or fsr 4 DLLs, or run the game not on 4K to improve my performance or simply play that game on windows.
Feels like this is all over the place but I hope this helps
foolsgold95@reddit
I currently dual boot windows and CachyOS with a 9800X3D and a 5070Ti. I mainly use Cachy and boot into windows for games that aren’t Linux compatible yet. Nvidia on Linux is a lot better than it used to be, most gaming centric distros come with Nvidia drivers. Protondb is great for checking if games work or for specific fixes to get them to work.
If you are planning switching to Linux I’d highly recommend dual booting to start with, I eventually want to fully switch but until the day comes where all developers embrace Linux, I’ll be keeping my windows drive just incase.
dyna_black@reddit
Dual boot is pretty OP, highly recommended. I love playing games on CachyOS with my 9950x3d + 9070xt combo, but some games simply do not work or are not available outside of Windows.
But yeah if you're remotely interested in RT (and by extension, PT) then you should go with Nvidia. Personally I prefer high frame rates over some fancy shadows so I'm happy with my choice.
iszoloscope@reddit
You should watch YouTube and look up the difference in performance between the two cards. That is really the only good way, for Linux I would go AMD as well although I've seen plenty of people mention that Nvidia (drivers) is not an issue anymore.
Also, you can go also go 7800X3D + 9070XT. I also have a 9070XT and it's a beast, but BF 6 is my main game and according to Hardware Unboxed AMD was the better choice.
If you need/want Cuda, raytracing and/or framegen Nvidia might be the better choice. Don't listen to all these fanboys, pick the best option for your personal situation. That's all that matters!
ButterscotchTop194@reddit
Gaming on linux is generally fine, and a LOT better than it used to be. But expect to have to make tweaks to get things running on most games, there being permanent shit you cant sort and have to out up with, or some things just never working.
Protondb is a good resource. Check the comments section on the games you'd like to play. You'll notice a lot of issues even for gold games etc.
Very few games run native on linux.
Anyway. 5070ti easily, to answer your question.
dabbers4123@reddit
Im a bad person to ask cause I traded in my 5070ti I got for 820 for a 9070xt for 580 right before Christmas. Praise be microcenter return policies. Is the 5070 ti better? Yes. Is it 30% better? Not even close. For me its been miniscule in differemce performance wise from the 2. The biggest thing I notice is how variant dlss and fsr can be and how its so game dependent on which upscaling I actually liked more. They both have pretty glaring strengths and weaknesses even now from game to game. Given that id prolly lean the 9800x3d 9070xt given the price diff. Knowing it gives me the flexibility to use Linux with whats essentially plug and play id a bonus to me but sounds important to you.
aragorn18@reddit
I'm afraid I don't.
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
Appreciate the response nonetheless. The reason I have asked is I was contemplating downloading SteamOS which runs on a Linux software Bazzite but I heard it’s better optimized with AMD associated GPUs and its Nvidia counterpart has some issues.
dubyakay@reddit
SteamOS does not run on Bazzite.
That said, Bazzite is rock solid with either Nvidia or AMD.
The 7800X3D+5070Ti is probably better value, since the 9800X3D barely outperforms the 7800X3D.
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
I saw video of someone doing SteamOS through Bazzite, at least that’s what I thought.
madbobmcjim@reddit
It's worth looking into specific Nvidia issues, I know there was one with DX12 performance recently, but there was some discussions about fixes coming through for that.
I ran a 2070Super on Linux for 5 years with minimal driver issues, installing them (at least on Ubuntu) was easy enough. My main issue was that gsync wouldn't work in a multi monitor situation, but I think that's fine now with Wayland support.
ammar_sadaoui@reddit
if you interesting to move to linuz go with ryzen 9000 and AMD GPU because nvidia still refused to fully support wayland
_Repelsteeltje@reddit
I installed zorin os yesterday. My first time ever trying linux. With some troubleshooting and patience i got it to work flawlesly with my rtx 5070. I tried metro exodus and i had every setting maxed out including the physx and hairworks settings on 1440p and i had 120+ fps constantly.
beirch@reddit
If you're going Linux I'd get the 9070 XT. Nvidia is still not nearly as smooth of an experience, and if you're using Linux I'm assuming you're not averse tinkering a little: Optiscaler makes it so that those 100 games that support FSR jumps to literally any game that has any upscaler (DLSS) included.
AdstaOCE@reddit
AMD is much better performance and compatability wise on Linux.
HayesBrewery@reddit
This is a hard one for me, I got a 9800x3d and a 5070ti and I love both.
Probably the 7800x3d and 5070ti for pure gaming performance.
Impossible-Move-2096@reddit
For pure gaming, 7800X3D + 5070 Ti is the safer bet DLSS support is huge.
Temporary-Ad8539@reddit
I went 9800x3d with the 5070ti but im retarded so dont follow me ven thoi tell you a secret. Its a godlike combo for gaming. On a good oled even better
T2_daBest@reddit
Best bang for buck is the 9070XT and 9800X3D hand down. Although you asked what I would do I would go 5070ti as I play in 1440 and like max settings getting above 120fps. For 4k I only do 60fps because honestly framegen isn't great until 80fps. If you playing in 1080p you CPU would matter more in that 9800X3D will have that slight advantage. In 4k or 1440p those CPUs won't make much difference at all. If you only play raster they're neck in neck and at that point it's not worth it for the 5070ti. For those AAA titles like Spider-Man 2, cyberpunk 2077, Avatar fop those GPUs will get around 80-100 fps with maybe turning down just 1-2 settings but they're not getting to 120 fps without turning down more than a few settings
ecktt@reddit
5%-10%
Also 5%-10%. The 9800X3D has a far better AVX512 implementation, making it much faster. Handy for PlayStation emulation.
This might be true in general, but not for me. Also, upscalers create distracting artefacts. Again, this is a "me" issue and not necessarily a reflection of the wider audience. But DLSS does seem to be better when available.
Might be able to save some cache here as the large L3 cache present in these CPUs is meant to mitigate slow RAM access. Here are some recent results that might surprise you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyMvudKDLq4
Opposing goals. Pick one.
4K = 7800X3D/RTX 5070 TI
1080p = 9800X3D/9070XT
The 1080p option gets the vote from a cost perspective. A 7800X3D+RTX 5070 TI will more than do 240fps, but the 9800X3D+9070XT isn't going to be as fast at 4K.
Kalner@reddit
Regarding FSR4, optiscaler lets you use it with almost any game, even Vulkan based games like Doom TDA. So if it supports DLSS, it supports optiscaler basically.
The only exception are online games with anti cheat, which brings us to your point in other comments regarding Linux. Those same games most likely have kernel based Anti Cheat and that is blocked on Linux anyways or are new enough that the driver override works on their native FSR implementation.
However, for Linux, AMD is king.
I am using the AMD combo on windows and I have been having really good time so far, even if I have to tinker with Optiscaler.
Yellowtoblerone@reddit
You're just talking about money. In reality there are other factors like linux that mattered more to you. For your use case 7800x3d 9070xt is the best bet. You don't want tinkering, there's no reason to go for 9800x3d or 5070ti, esp on linux that amd excels at. dlss fsr4 completely overblown when natively 9070xt is the faster card other than the couple of rt pt titles; in which the only visual difference is some of the scenes.
I've had almost all x3d zen4 and 5 chips, rdna3 and 4 gpus and rtx 4xxx to 5070ti
AdstaOCE@reddit
9800X3D + 9070XT.
PostsBadComments@reddit
This. I'm happy with this combo!
StrifeTribal@reddit
Its truly an amazing combo.
kekbooi@reddit
No point getting the 9800x3d over the 7800x3d, unless you have a 5090 or want 500fps 1080p gaming.
7800x3d+9070xt
Funny-Wind4878@reddit
As, from the comments you are going Linux for gaming, I'll throw sand in the works and recommend 7800X3D + 9070XT...That said, the Nvidia situation on Linux isn't quite as bad as it once was, and for me (1440p60 or 4Kp60, as I don't do competitive/online gaming) the I would go Nvidia, but for 1080p240, I wouldn't risk it, and AMD may be the better option...
The difference between the 7800X3D and the 9800X3D is real, and noticeable, but IMO not to the point to justifying more than a $100 extra for the 9800X3D...The 7800X3D, while inferior, is still a beast for gaming, and remember that it is also on the AM5 platform...
Get a good Motherboard (go for overkill if possible), and later upgrade to Zen6 (or even Zen7, if it's still on AM5)
Naive_Cardiologist_6@reddit
get the Nvidia GPU. stable diffusion, CUDA and DLSS all exist there. there are a FEW good ray traced games which would benefit from the 5070ti.
if you dont care about any of that 9070XT has wonderful raster performance. building your own machine with hand picked parts means you cant go wrong (you can but these threads are awesome)
Happy gaming!!
Perplexe974@reddit
Second option without any doubts.
Yes the 5070Ti outperforms the 9070XT but not by that much and not in every situations. You'd also feel no difference if there's no fps counter on the screen to show you a side by side comparison....
I would get the better CPU and the same weight class GPU. Stop gaslighting yourselves for like 10 frames more on the screen. The real argument is around DLSS/FSR but even in this department, AMD caught up and the results are very good. Yes it's not as available as DLSS but it can only get better and in the end you save 200$.
Both cards are powerhouses anyways and there is no wrong choice to be made there that's why I lean more torwards the newest CPU and the 200$ you can save. The difference between the 2 cards won't change your experience or if it does, it's marginal at best.
lancelane7@reddit
personally i would get the 5070ti nvidia better than amd TO ME
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
I think that is objective, I just know people are big fans of the 9800X3D
ButterscotchTop194@reddit
Not a huge difference in those CPUs in real terms. Much better to go with a more performant gpu. The added bells and whistles of the 5070ti make it a much more sensible purchase than the amd card. And if you're going linux then you're already signed up to spend time fucking around so the linux nvidia driver difficulties is moot compared to all the other shite you'll need to do.
Additional_Past_7107@reddit
If you game competitively with low gfx settings at 1080p go 9800x3d for everything else 7800x3d and 5070ti
lancelane7@reddit
If you’re at 1440p/4k it’s not a huge difference but I personally have a 5070ti and 9850x3d but if you like AMD then yeah the 9070xt and 5070ti are the same in raw performance but if you plan on using upscaling, frame gen, reflex, etc. nvidia is the better pick. If you could do a $300 difference and get a 9800x3d and the 5070ti then that would be what I do
PGleo86@reddit
You mention in the comments that you're on Linux - don't even bother thinking about Nvidia. Yes, it's gotten better. No, it's still not anywhere close to as good an experience as AMD. I upgraded from the same 3090 twice because of weird Linux issues - once in January 2025 (on my main PC, to 7900XTX) and again in January this year (on the TV PC that inherited it, to 9070XT). The only reason to buy Nvidia for a PC you have not yet built that you intend to run Linux on is if you actively need either CUDA (for non-gaming workloads) or more raw power than AMD makes (so, a 4090/5080/5090). 9070XT is an equivalent card to 5070ti anyway - they trade blows in benchmarks on Windows, where it's a fair fight in terms of driver support; on Linux it is very much not. Save $200 and get a better CPU, an equivalent GPU, and a much better, smoother overall experience.
jimjuice54@reddit
I have mainly used linux for the past 3 years and I got a 9800X3D and 9070 XT for my new recent build. My old PC had a 4th gen intel i5 and 980 Ti and it worked good on linux but it was also 10+ years old, my performance wasnt really relying on new nvidia driver updates. The reason I got the 9800X3D was because I was already planning on getting the 7800X3D, but then then price dropped to only a $40 difference, so I spent a little extra to get the more recent 9800X3D that runs a little more efficiently. The reason I got the 9070 Xt is because of the better price and better linux support. Last I checked benchmarks, the Nvidia GPUs are more powerful but when you use them on linux there is a performance hit because the drivers arent as good. That could have changed by now, but at the end of the day I just feel better knowing that my GPU is better supported on linux. I don't have to worry much about optimizing that part of my PC.
aminy23@reddit
My take would be 250K/5070 Ti vs 9800X3D/9070XT. The benefit of the former is it's not just gaming, it's a powerhouse outside of it.
I've been a Linux with Nvidia user since 2008. The issue is 90% philosophical.
Linux is free, not about money, and made by volunteers. Nvidia used Linux to win capitalism: https://companiesmarketcap.com/
Gaming is less than 20% of Nvidia's business, they primarily cater to big business and enterprise.
Linux never got market dominance as a PC operating system. However Linux dominates with datacenters and servers.
Most of the advanced technology or even websites you'd use are based on Nvidia and Linux. Everything from YouTube to self driving cars was built that way.
Using AMD and Linux on a PC is the resistance movement.
AMD had open source drivers for Linux, but Nvidia has them as well now. And this is still mostly philosophical because the drivers still worked closed source.
Nvidia used to lock certain advanced features like VM Passthrough to their professional Quadro GPUs, but now that's been unlocked.
Clueless-007@reddit (OP)
Maybe I’m not updated on Nvidia Linux capabilities or watched the wrong video and developed a stigma in that they don’t adequately work together.
My biggest lean towards Nvidia is DLSS, my biggest lean towards AMD is Linux being basically optimized day-one no tinkering.
aminy23@reddit
Linux & Nvidia basically runs the world. Google/Gemini/YouTube, Meta, X, AWS/Twitch, Netflix, OpenAI, Anthropic, Google Cloud, Oracle, Adobe Cloud - all are primarily Linux + Nvidia. Even Microsoft's own Azure is mostly Nvidia and over 50% Linux.
Then if you go into even things like government - CERN, Oakridge, Argonne are Linux + Nvidia.
Even technologies like the Vegas Sphere, self-driving cars, most humanoid robots, etc are Nvidia + Linux.
When you install any operating system, especially including Linux you will have to install whatever programs you want such as your web browser, office suite, video players, etc. On Windows you will have to install drivers.
Most of the Linux computers are the most powerful ones that run the world. And most of the Nvidia computers are the same.
On Linux, you would just install Nvidia drivers once the same way as you'd install any other program and it can automatically update through your systems repositories if it's a packaged format.
Framed-Photo@reddit
Ha, yeah your sources are a bit inaccurate perhaps.
Nvidia has issues on Linux don't get me wrong (I have a 5070ti on cachyos) and AMD is better, but AMD also isn't perfect. You're not going to get a day one no tinkering experience on Linux with any hardware, it's just not how gaming works on the platform right now.
AMD will have less headaches with some things, but you're still giving up dlss and the like. Imo Nvidia is still worth having over AMD, and for gaming on either I'd still advise using Windows or at least dual booting.
RogLatimer118@reddit
If you ever want to use a local LLM or do images/videos with stable diffusion, most of that software is written for Nvidia GPUs.
George_Mallory@reddit
What are you going to use it for? What will you be playing? Not all games use the CPU intensively. Not all games use the GPU intensively.
I have a 9800X3D because I want to play Dwarf Fortress. If you don’t want to play Dwarf Fortress or RimWorld or some other simulation-heavy game, I recommend getting the better graphics card. If you’re not playing a CPU-heavy game, you might not even need the 7800X3D and could save with something cheaper.
IrrelevantTale@reddit
5070to and 7800x3d.