Are Hondas not as reliable as they used to be? What changed?
Posted by phtphongg@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 101 comments
I’ve always heard that Honda used to be one of the most reliable brands out there, but lately I’ve been seeing more mixed opinions and experiences. I’m trying to figure out what actually changed.
For example:
- There’s been a lot of talk about the 1.5T engine (Civic, CR-V, Accord) having issues like head gasket failures, oil dilution, etc.
- I’ve seen some cases where problems show up around 50k–100k miles, which feels early for a Honda
- I have a friend with a 2023 HR-V and the AC already went out
- Another friend had an older Civic with a CVT transmission failure
From what I know, Honda CVTs are generally decent now, but they’ve had issues in certain years/models too.
Also, from recent rankings, it seems like Mazda and Subaru have already passed Honda in reliability (like on Consumer Reports). So it’s not like Honda is #1 anymore like it used to be.
So I’m wondering:
- Are Hondas actually less reliable now, or is it just because modern cars are more complex (turbo engines, direct injection, CVTs, etc.)?
- Is the 1.5T engine a big reason for the change in reputation?
- Or is it more that other brands improved and caught up/passed Honda?
Curious what you guys think, especially from owners with newer Hondas or high-mileage experience.
maxsilver@reddit
Are Honda's less reliable than they used to be? Yes, absolutely.
Are Honda's still really reliable? Generally, yes.
It's not clear to me that Honda was ever #1, but they used to be in the top 4 for reliability, and they still are.
They wanted to cut costs. Automatic transmissions cost more, let's swap that out for a cheaper CVT.
CR-V's used to have nice appropriately-sized engines (a 4th gen 2014 CR-V had a 2.4L natural in-line four cylinder, and weighed 3,300lbs). But that costs money, so modern CR-Vs have a tiny 1.5L engine with turbos (despite being 6 inches longer, and 500 pounds heavier)
Much smaller engine, with more sensitive parts, doing much more work, with heavier loads = less reliable. Much smaller transmissions with more sensitive parts, doing much more work, with heavier loads = less reliable.
Mazda is catching up, and is surpassing Honda on some models (a CX-50 Hybrid is more reliable than a CR-V base), but Mazda isn't bulletproof either. Your list of problematic Honda 1.5turbo or CVTs could easily be paired against Mazda's CX-70 and CX-90 issues.
TreesACrowd@reddit
The switch from larger N/A engines to smaller turbos was not made to cut manufacturing costs; in fact, it increased those costs. It was done to meet ever-tightening emissions and economy restrictions, as well as to compete in markets where vehicles are taxed on displacement.
phtphongg@reddit (OP)
The displacement vs weight point is something a lot of people gloss over but it’s pretty damning when you actually lay it out like that. A heavier vehicle with a smaller engine working harder under more load is just a worse equation for longevity, and wrapping it in a turbo to compensate adds another potential failure point on top of that. The Mazda comparison is fair too, people have been crowning them as the new Honda a little prematurely. The CX-70 and CX-90 launch issues were a real blemish and showed that even Mazda isn’t immune when they start scaling up complexity and size. The reliability crown tends to shift around more than the online consensus admits.
Bombastic_tekken@reddit
I'd say they're just as reliable as ever.
Some people think a car being reliable means they get to skip maintenance, I think that's part of the issue.
phtphongg@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’s fair. I think a lot of people still expect Hondas to be maintenance-free like the old days, and that’s probably not realistic anymore. Modern cars just need more attention overall, so skipping maintenance will catch up quicker, even on a Honda. I still feel like they’re generally reliable, just less forgiving than before if you don’t stay on top of things.
Budget-Razzmatazz-54@reddit
No car without maintenance will be reliable
ThePoltageist@reddit
if you want it to last go something toyota, toyota is building everything in current model year with more or less the same drive train design they have been perfecting in the prius since what like 1997? These are some of the only drive trains that can reach a million miles and there is a thriving and growing aftermarket for battery rebuilds so that hybrid battery needing cells replaced is no longer the 8k affair that it used to be.
medguy_48@reddit
Vehicles - regardless of manufacturer have NEVER been maintenance free. What a stupid comment
zerovampire311@reddit
Buick and Oldsmobile would have a word.
howrunowgoodnyou@reddit
You never owned an old Honda. They thrive on neglect.
jnyc777@reddit
True they were never maintenance free, but everyone had a friend that did the least they could, theyre Honda d series engine had like 400000 on it adding more oil than fuel, car barely held together with zap straps and duct tape, but that engine started right up on the second roll over, smoked black when they stomped on it, but their car made the trek you wouldn’t in your 200k other make car 🚗
Bombastic_tekken@reddit
That's Honda reliability right there.
I think a lot of people also don't realize what poor shape these older models are in.
My 2012 Accord with a J35 is flawless (aside from a power steering leak) at 200k miles though.
thzmand@reddit
My rough sense is that they have had trouble keeping a flawless reputation while they worked through advances in efficiency technology. I do not think of them as set and forget cars anymore, and I would plan for extra costs of ownership compared to the previous generations that made them famous. Of course I am talking about things above and beyond regular schedules maintenance.
Budget-Razzmatazz-54@reddit
They aren't as reliable.
Not that they are bad but the average 1.5 turbo jlmated to a CVT just mechanically isn't able to be as reliable as a K24 (or J32/J35) with a manual trans or a traditional automatic
Lordraxxdog@reddit
They are not. Do some research into pilot and Ridgeline transmissions.
Bombastic_tekken@reddit
No manufacturer is flawless lol.
2/10 models having an iffy drivetrain doesn't define an entire brand as being less reliable. (imo)
Toyota and Subaru lead the pack in reliability, but Honda is just behind them.
I'm a Honda owner so I'm little biased, but I think they're great, only other brand I'd consider is Toyota.
dmforjewishpager@reddit
new kia’s are better than both
JCC114@reddit
Only thing new Kia is better then is the slightly older Kia’s that were among the worst vehicles ever mass produced. This idea that they did a complete turn around in early 2020s is make believe. People thought the Theta IIs were good engines until 5+ years later as well. Just because they have not failed in mass yet does not mean they fixed all their problems. Take time to be exposed, and there is more than enough early failure reports on these vehicles to expect them to be in huge numbers by the time they have any real age/miles.
FunSignificance3034@reddit
Toyota has had some serious duds recently. When they went for the largest car maker, they missed some of the milestones.
Bombastic_tekken@reddit
That just goes back to no manufacturer being flawless.
Not every pig is worthy of going to the county fair.
walledisney@reddit
My pig is always worthy of the county fair.
Rapom613@reddit
Oil dilution in the 1.5, ac problems in the 10th gen civic
Honda of the 90s was an unkillable vehicular cockroach, Honda of today is better than average (not saying much) but no where near as good as their former glory
This holds true for all manufacturers though sadly
Model_27@reddit
Just curious. You said Toyota is the only other brand you would consider. I was wondering why you didn’t say the same about Subaru?
Bombastic_tekken@reddit
I've got no brand familiarity.
I have one friend with a Subaru and he absolutely loves it.
I've driven many Toyotas and Hondas and I've loved every moment of it, I've done maintenance on both of them too, so I'm just really acquainted with those brands.
So really, it does just come down to brand familiarity, and I guess I don't see many 200k mile Subies and I see plenty of Hondas and Toyotas at that mileage.
Really nothing against Subaru, just not something I'm interested in, the only models of theirs I'd look into are the WRX and Legacy.
Model_27@reddit
Thanks for the reply. I’ve owned two Civics. I sold the 1996 model after it had 336,000 miles on it. I sold the 2014 model when it hit 200,000. Both cars were great. Other than maintenance they needed nothing.
I’m currently driving a 2022 Tacoma. So far so good, but I only have 44,000 miles on it. I plan on keeping it for another ten years, at least.
I’ve never owned a Subaru. Nothing against them, it’s just I’ve never seen one that caught my eye.
Sea-Foundation-449@reddit
Get yourself an 86 and join the Toyobaru club
ChasedWarrior@reddit
And Accord transmissions of the early 2000.
zerovampire311@reddit
Neither of those models were ever the ones lauded for reliability…. Or anything for that matter. It’s all the Civic, Fit and CRV.
howrunowgoodnyou@reddit
Automatic transmissions are never as reliable as manuals.
metalaxeyyd@reddit
My personal opinion is honda should have never made anything larger than the cr-v
hokie47@reddit
This. Granted a lot of car manufacturers do this to cut cost or the system is more complex and needs more maintenance. For example I have a Subaru, I like it but parts wear out faster than lets say a Toyota. I do my own auto repair for many things so it's not a big deal but to some this is a issue.
VegaGT-VZ@reddit
I dont get this contingent of car people who relish in bad things happening to other car owners. ZF9 clunkiness, big J35 rod bearing failures, L15B oil dilution, K20C 2nd gear syncros, these are all design problems that have nothing to do with maintenance. People arent taking care of these specific engines worse than people who have others, the flaws are baked in from Honda's side.
Euphoric_Loquat_8651@reddit
The importance of maintenance has only increased as cars have modernized, and the cost for failure has risen dramatically
NectarineDesigner408@reddit
Good point. There's not a car on the market made today that can skip maintenance. Now.. a Volkswagen diesel from the 80's, is a different story.
Ok_Narwhal6356@reddit
They are still reliable but they are not “to hell and back” reliable like the good old days. Sadly Toyota isn’t either. Lexus is the only brand that is still very reliable in my opinion.
False_Mushroom_8962@reddit
It's pretty universal across brands to replace everything with smaller turbo engines and a lot of them are having problems. The 1.5 was very reliable in the fit but when they boost that little engine and put it in bigger cars it's doing a lot more work than it was designed for. When I worked on them we saw a good amount of cvt failures around 100k. None of them had trans service done regularly. The people who change the fluid every 30k didn't have any problems.
AccomplishedNail3085@reddit
So its the costumers?
phtphongg@reddit (OP)
Yeah that actually makes a lot of sense. Taking a small engine that was fine NA and then adding a turbo + putting it in heavier cars is definitely asking more from it long-term. Same with the CVT point too. Sounds like it’s less about the transmission being inherently bad and more about maintenance habits. If people aren’t servicing it, problems show up around 100k, but the ones doing 30k fluid changes seem to be fine. Kind of goes back to the idea that modern cars can still last, they just need more consistent maintenance than before.
False_Mushroom_8962@reddit
They also doubled the oil change intervals without really doing anything to compensate around 2010
NectarineDesigner408@reddit
Do NOT wait 10,000 miles to change the oil. Shoot for 3,000, and never let it go past 5,000. Cars eat oil today from the high efficiency they run. It's a win/lose situation in all brands. Oil companies don't make oil that can last the strain of heat anymore now than they could 20 years ago.
Shot-Swimming-9098@reddit
Getting your oil tested is a lot cheaper than doing oil changes that aren't prescribed. Blackstone told me I should run my oil 2,000 more miles, and that oil had 8,000 miles on it.
NectarineDesigner408@reddit
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Insertsociallife@reddit
The L15A series in the Fits and the turbo L15B are basically different engines, they don't share any parts.
Much to my consternation as I look for turbos for my Fit, I might add.
Walternotwalter@reddit
Turbocharged engines running 0 weight oil with direct injection on 87 is never going to be a great combo. Emission regulations and taxation by displacement in multiple countries forced many brands down this road and unfortunately it means sacrifices in reliability and longevity regardless of brand.
bclovn@reddit
I think that question is a few reasons. 1. Other car makes are catching up. 2. Pressure to make less expensive cars and cutting corners. 3. Honda moving into newer tech like turbos. 4. Pushing more power out of a smaller engine.
My older Hondas were super dependable. Not fancy. Just worked forever.
ppepitoy0u@reddit
Skip the turbo engines and change transmission fluid every 30k miles.
Karona_@reddit
Pretty sure nothing is as reliable as they used to be..
NoEmu5969@reddit
BMW is so much better than it has been. So good that Toyota is using their engines.
Karona_@reddit
That's awesome to hear, my understanding was that German cards are well engineered but stupid to work on yourself, is that improved too?
SmoothSlavperator@reddit
All manufacturers need to fuck off with the turbos. That's why.
InfluenceEfficient77@reddit
Idk why people ever thought they were reliable. Maybe because any gas station had parts for them lol and they cost a few hundred dollars to work on Interference engines and timing belts on most Hondas.
ZaphodG@reddit
Cars have gotten so reliable that occasional failures are perceived as making a brand or model unreliable. An old Honda in New England was a rust bucket with rotted fenders but simple to work on so there were tons of old ones on the road.
IcySalt1504@reddit
Honda and Acura make great cars. If you maintain them, they’re great cars/SUV’s. If you don’t maintain them, they’re still pretty decent. I’ve had several Honda/Acuras over the years, and I’ve loved them.
carpet_whisper@reddit
I think the simple answer is No.
They’re still a highly-reliable brand that you can confidently depend on.
But they’re also no the bullet-proof cars that they where 20+ years ago.
Technology progresses, expectations rise and they’re forced to adapt.
OTPguy@reddit
Our 2017 Honda Civic has darn near been bulletproof flawless. We did have an air conditioning issue once, warranty and great service took care of that without issue. I am amazed at how long the brake pads last, but ours is a manual transmission so the gearbox is used for some braking as well.
We have the car maintained at Honda, never ever anywhere else. As soon as a code comes on the dash we have it taken it care of. The codes are regular intermittence codes, have never had a fault code.
Dank009@reddit
My 99 CRV is still going strong, I'll probably get another 20+ years out of it easily.
Equivalent_Ad9414@reddit
You want a real answer? Ask a car mechanic.
chefwoodworkerartist@reddit
No car brand is as reliable as the used to be
OGDirtDude117@reddit
Hondas really dropped off with the addition of Direct Injection and Turbo Charging.
Their Port Injected 2.0, 2.4, and 3.5L were all great. The addition of cylinder deactivation and more complicated technology cause uneven heat cycles to parts of the engine.
The direct injection is normally fine and turbo charging is fine. Going down to a cheapened block with high boost really causes some issues. The cross lines in the blocks head mating area cause the head gasket issues.
The oil dilution is a combination of lower tension piston rings and extended oil intervals.
All brands needed to adjust some to get these technologies down.
The 1.5L Non-Turbo in the GK5 Fit is a very durable engine with some cheapened out injectors and a suboptimal PCV system causing major carbon buildup.
Honda just stopped developing things as well.
The DOHC V6 doesn't have VTEC and cylinder deactivation issues are still present..
The 2.0T is a stout engine, if you can manage heat well.
Substantial_Team6751@reddit
I would not touch one of those turbos. They replaced a reliable normally aspirated 4 banger with a smaller, higher strung turbo.
But go look up the specific model you are interested in here:
https://www.carcomplaints.com/
ws20715@reddit
Have a 2022 accord hybrid. 100k miles. 0 problems.
SuperRowCaptain@reddit
The L15 engine which is in a lot of their cars kind of sucks. That's about it, all their other platforms/engines are pretty good.
Captkarate42@reddit
More moving parts = more potential points of failure. Added mechanical complexity invariably results in reduced longevity. Look at how many features they have now that they did not when they developed their reputation for absurdly high reliability.
They got that reputation building naturally aspirated four cylinder light weight economy cars with very basic manual transmissions, and comparatively robust suspension designs for the weight of the vehicles they were attached to. Design efficiency and simplicity. Both of those are gone now, not just for Honda, but for nearly everybody.
The vehicles with the best reputation for reliability in any given era are just the ones that have less "modern" features than everything else.
phtphongg@reddit (OP)
Yeah that’s a really good way to put it. It’s not even just Honda, it’s the whole industry moving away from simplicity to complexity. More features, more tech, more efficiency… but also more things that can fail. Back then it was just NA engines + simple transmissions + fewer electronics, so naturally they lasted forever. Now it’s turbos, direct injection, CVTs, sensors everywhere.
So yeah, it’s probably less about Honda getting worse and more about modern cars in general being less simple and less forgiving long-term.
DmitriVanderbilt@reddit
Yup, this is why I just bought a 2011 Subaru Forester over a newer vehicle; it has a new Android Auto stereo which makes it feel just as new as the 2024 F350 I drive at work but no modern nonsense to distract or take away from the driving experience.
As an aside, I wish consumer vehicles were built more like work trucks; there is no BS touch controls for anything in the F350, even the Android Auto has secondary button controls in addition to the touch screen; all climate control is done with knobs and buttons, just like the good lord intended.
Captkarate42@reddit
Preeecisely. Added complexity, added pressure in smaller displacement engines that are pushing heavier cars, cheaper and less durable construction materials, more plastic, more electronics.
The old cast iron ford 300 inline six isn't powerful, or efficient, or quiet, or compact, but it sure is an absurdly heavy brick of an engine that will run forever. There will probably be running ford 300s attached to industrial machinery after you and I have both passed away.
Old Honda D series engines are also just tanks that will outlive us all if somebody just cares enough to keep making parts and doing the maintenance.
Vlish36@reddit
I had a truck with the inline-6. It was quiet. And it was efficient, at least relatively speaking. It got decent to good gas mileage and punched above it's weight with the low-end torque.
Captkarate42@reddit
I suppose quiet and efficient depend on what you are comparing it to, you know?
Vlish36@reddit
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as I wrote this. But as far as it being in a non-commercial vehicle, especially when compared to V8 engines, it was a quiet engine. Maybe a bit louder than a 4 cylinder engine.
For efficiency, it produced between 200 and 250 pound-feet of torque on 100 to 150 horsepower. And a lot of the torque coming into play between 1600 to 2500 rpm. Which isn't bad at all. Gas engines generally have their peaks at higher rams and the torque is roughly the same as the horsepower, give or take.
scuzzy987@reddit
Same with the straight six 4L in my Jeep TJ. Those straight sixes were basically tractor engines
Captkarate42@reddit
Absolutely, the jeep 4.0 is bulletproof.
MiketheTzar@reddit
CVTs still kinda sick, but that's not particularly a Honda thing.
It's always been fairly model dependant. The Civic and thr Accord are solid. They may have random issues, but the real guts of the cars are just as reliable as ever.
The CRV is up and down depending on a bunch of stuff
Other-Educator-9399@reddit
They prided themselves on all naturally aspirated engines for the longest time. When they relented and started making turbocharged engines, they had problems.
knight9665@reddit
complexity.
example. no matter who adding turbos makes everything more complicated. everything is under more heat more stress. maintenance becomes more critical.
CVTs are not as reliable as auto transmissions. period
jlwolford@reddit
Google 1.5t head gasket. Goes back to 2017. A huge problem hidden to most used car buyers.
SurlyJohn009@reddit
I have a 2009 Honda Civic EX, a 2018 Acura TLX A-spec Awd, and a 1994 Toyota 4runner.
Most reliable is the Toyota by far, then the Civic, then the TLX. Electronics, computers, and the Internet connectionnare a huge part of the TLX, you know that opens the doors to so many possible issues.
I've had a couple recalls on the TLX, one being a full set of main bearings swapped. The Civic had 3 minor recalls and is bulletproof otherwise. Honda is still reliable, but many other manufacturers have issues with the newer models also.
I would not buy anything after 2010 now that I have owned the TLX since 2020. That is when manufacturers started the push for online connectivity. I like, simple, reliable, and easier to work on over bells and whistles.
Also Internet connected vehicles snitch on you to the manufacturer.
refrainfromstupity@reddit
Consumer reports gave the passport a 97 reliability score.
fm2n250@reddit
Consumer Reports isn't reliable. I stopped trusting their reviews years ago.
Lordraxxdog@reddit
They have huge transmission/ torque converter problems. They extended warranty to avoid class action lawsuits. We traded ours in after 2 torque converters and a new transmission over 9 years. We are immaculate in our maintenance and even changed the transmission fluid yearly with less than 10k km per year. Avoid!
fm2n250@reddit
I've had bad luck with Hondas as well. I don't plan on ever owning another Honda again.
olllooolollloool@reddit
I had turbo'd Volkswagens for years, and religiously practiced the art of warming up the engine for a minute or two before I started driving, not goosing it until it was fully warmed up, and letting it idle for a minute before I turned it off. This was all done to ensure the turbos and engine had good oil pressure, and I never had any issues with those two components (the electronics and interiors were a different story....). None of the normies buying and driving a civic or CR-V with a turbo know or care to do this, and thus their reliability seems worse.
pickandpray@reddit
I've owned quite a few hondas and an Acura. They've been fairly reliable but usually had some minor issues.
88 integra- awful ac, erratic idle 89 accord-over heated on the highway 03 accord-poor heat and bad switches 16 hrv- no issues
Our 2016 hrv has been the most trouble free Honda, but I'm waiting for the CVT to die suddenly with 107k miles on the odometer.
My 2 Toyotas seem far more trouble free, so far.
_no_usernames_avail@reddit
2.5 miles of soy based wiring
ApartmentSalt7859@reddit
Toyota and Honda were very reliable when they were building the same engine and transmission over and over for decades... Now they are trying new things...
TurboJobo@reddit
Well i think still they are still on the more reliable than other cars but with all things they just became more complicated and have more things to go wrong
EventHorizonHotel@reddit
The Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) system used in the 3.5L V6 had lots of problems, especially the first (oil consumption, motor mounts) and second (sludge, spark plug fouling) generations. I eventually bypassed the VCM with an aftermarket component when I started having spark plug fouling issues on my 2014 Odyssey.
The third generation is reportedly better but the problems took a long time to show up with the first and second gens of VCM so it remains to be seen if the third gen finally solved those issues.
watchgeek401@reddit
I believe they ran over built low compression N/A motors like Toyota in the past and relied on gearing to offset the lack of initial torque. You start boosting things tend to wear out quicker. Thats my guess anyway.
geek66@reddit
All anecdotal … bad news gets views
Jayfore@reddit
We bought a 2017 CRV as our first Honda auto (I'd had 2 Honda motorcycles and still have my Honda lawnmower from 1993). Our CRV had a recurring problem where every alert would show up on the dashboard and multiple dealers took forever (and so many different instances and visits) to figure it out.
A failed head gasket at 84k miles (only properly diagnosed after wasting time having them replace the fuel injectors, sparkplugs, and finally the turbo), was the straw that broke the camel's back for us. Once it was all fixed, sold the car while the extended warranty was still in effect.
Things go wrong with cars and that's why we buy the extended warranty, but in this case, for whatever reason, the dealer mechanics were not good at fixing this vehicle smoothly and efficiently.
Gunk_Olgidar@reddit
Neither are Toyota. They got cheap with design and sacrificed longevity by designing for warranty (60kmi) instead of what they used to do (300kmi+).
Last couple years with the tariffs, Honda moved a bunch of production from Canada to Indiana, and build quality dropped dramatically.
Yes they're reliable.
Yes. But the VCM V6s also had a big problem with carbon fouling of the piston rings, leading to oil burning and catastrophic engine failure for folks who don't change their oil every 5kmi and check their dipsticks regularly.
Honda got worse. A lot worse.
AutoXCivic@reddit
Nothing is as reliable as it used to be. Mostly because there are so many more moving parts, and sensors, and control modules, and ...
No longer can you pull over to the side of the road a fix it with a rock and a stick.
SnooGadgets9669@reddit
Oils hitting finer viscosity and more electrical components being added to every car really deters reliability in the traditional sense we think about it. And honestly it means something different for everyone some would say it’s not reliable if a switch acts flaky and other would only consider something unreliable if the motor or transmission gives out before a few hundred thousand miles.
otterland@reddit
Hybrids are pretty kick-ass. The small turbos and direct injection were problematic for everyone. Earth Dreams and CVT does result in pretty decent reliability considering it's about as much efficiency as you can wring out of a normally aspirated engine without a turbo or a hybrid.
If you want reliable, early 2010s K20/K24/J6/L15 with the H5/H6 automatics are fantastic but considerably less efficient than a modern hybrid. Also 80% depreciated so you can afford fuel.
Open-Dot6264@reddit
My some has a 19 civic and it needed a new screen, new alternator, had an ac leak, and needed a fuel door actuator before 70,000 miles. He did all prescribed maintenance promptly but none of these repairs would be affected by poor maintenance.
Significant_Rip300@reddit
I had a 2015 Civic with a CVT. In the ten years I owned it from initial mile of 807 miles, the car had 2 issues. One the fuel injector wires got chewed out by mice twice. The first time it happened was within 6 months owning the car. Honda replaced the wires but I had to pay $120 - apparently it wasn’t covered under warranty. The second time it happened, it was within 3 months of the last replacement. I got mad at Honda and Honda replaced the wires and wrapped with rodent tape for free. No issues since. My second issue was the plastic molding on the roof came lose at a car wash. I replaced that for $25 with my local mechanic. Honda was going to charge me $180 for one plastic molding.
Aside from that, the cars been solid. I would have driven it for another 5 -10 years but someone offered to buy it as a private party. I figured hey the dealerships are chipping me - the private party will pay 2k more for what it was worth. Sold it. I miss it because I loved driving around in it.
My opinion on quality, yes there’s a dip in Honda quality for sure. Examples like above show they aren’t quite like how they used to be. But, it’s still reliable. I’m sure other reliable automakers have similar examples that’s just not mentioned.
Nowadays I don’t know what Hondas like. I switched to another Japanese company that’s underrated. It’s far better than my Honda.
Would I go back to Honda? Yes but way down the road when I absolutely have to.
Danny_5000@reddit
I’ve seen an engine breakdown of a newer blown 1.5T and a huge thing that stood out was the comically small rod bearing bolts. They make push mowers with bigger bolts than that. They’re making the engine as light as possible and as thin as possible. On its own it would be fine but the turbo causes extra stress and people stepping on it will cause problems
River-Hippie@reddit
Bought a brand new civic with a turbo in 2016. Turbo blew apart with 70k destroying the engine. That was my last honda.
mrsroperscaftan@reddit
I don’t know what any of that shit means that you listed but I can tell you that I couldn’t kill my Honda with fire.
Smart_Paper_130@reddit
Older Hondas used to be pretty reliable except for their transmission. Honda reliability has taken a nosedive with their earth dreams engine after they began using turbo.
revocer@reddit
It’s the T in the 1.5T that’s the problem. IMHO, you gotta change the oil more frequently, if you have one, and avoid it if you don’t.
jnyc777@reddit
Plastic and fuel regulations. In the 90’s let’s say the engines was surrounded by metal with few plastic bits, now theres more plastic than metal, a 1.5lT works a lot harder than a 2-2.4l n/a including a bad design flaw that lead to the head gasket failures. Direct injection only isn’t a great idea, Toyota uses both direct injection and port injection that makes the best benefit of both and eliminates most issues of either with just a tad more complexity