Honda’s $15.9 Billion EV Disaster Just Delayed The Next Accord, Odyssey, And MDX

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Uptons_BJs@reddit

Acura is honestly dead brand walking at this point, they have no product!

I’m shocked they got rid of the ZDX so fast. No idea what the economics are there, but the Lyriq sold decently, surprised they can’t make the ZDX work

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Gorgenapper@reddit

What do they actually even have? MDX, RDX... that's it? I'm deliberately not looking at the Acura website, just going off my vague impression of their lineup.

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03Void@reddit

GM spent over decade building their EV branding. They're taking it seriously since the beginning.

Honda/Acura EV offering just feels like an afterthought. I live in a place where EVs are everywhere. You cannot make an intersection in a rural town without seeing multiple EVs, most being Hyundai/Kia, Tesla, or GM. I've seen a single Acura ZDX and Honda Prologue sightings are in the single digit.

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zman0900@reddit

Honda seems completely clueless. They could have kept the Clarity going, or at least threw that drivetrain into the CRV or Accord, since it was basically the same thing as the hybrid systems in those but with more battery.

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UncheckedException@reddit

The lack of PHEV Accords and CRVs is maddening. The Clarity still has competitive numbers in the PHEV space with 47 miles of electric range, and that thing is over a decade old.

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specialcommenter@reddit

Opposite in NYC. Lots of prologue and I see a ZDX at least once a day. At least they offer the ZDX in interesting colors and people are actually choosing them.

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m1a2c2kali@reddit

Also in NYC, I do see plenty of prologues but not really the ZDX

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Mountain-Union2347@reddit

Walked into my local Acura dealership the other day and it was just a nice building full of disappointment. I test drove an Integra and it was essentially a Civic. They had no TLX’s. Their crossovers are a little attractive but boring. I’d rather get a top trim Honda for half the price, I mean it would be the same thing.

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cat_prophecy@reddit

The Integra looks good but is shockingly over priced and the Type S may as well not even exist with how it's priced.

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Past_Cook_5504@reddit

The Type S is only $6000 more than the CTR. And constantly goes for under MSRP

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Mountain-Union2347@reddit

Compared to other luxury brands, it’s affordable. But only because it lacks luxury. No ventilated seats in 2026 is crazy. The features they try to sell you on are the same features in my 03 CL

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IguassuIronman@reddit

It's always interesting to me when people equate luxury to features

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

Creature comforts are definitely a form of luxury.

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Phazushift@reddit

The Type S is so poorly priced, it lacks finesse and some features that its Type R counterpart has but it costs fucking more.

Just price them identically...I say this as a Type S owner.

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Icantjudge@reddit

ZDX was just a gussied up Blazer EV, same as the Prologue. Both are being discontinued with the desth of Honda's agreement with GM.

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olek2012@reddit

ZDX was a Lyriq.

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WhateverItTakes117@reddit

Which is a Blazer. It's the same platform, between the Lyriq, Optiq, ZDX, Prologue, Blazer EV, and Equinox EV. They're all the same

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Uptons_BJs@reddit

TBF, isn’t the lyriq a gussied up Blazer too? Haha

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CorrectCombination11@reddit

Everything is a beetle.

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Crowbar_of_Embrayage@reddit

VW has evolved beyond the Beetle. Fiat have also joined in.

Everything is a Golf underneath... or a Fiat 500

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olek2012@reddit

Similar but different. Lyriq is one step up in size I think

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JoyousMisery@reddit

No, It's the Blazer. The Optiq is smaller and upgraded Equinox.

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WCWRingMatSound@reddit

There’s an active $7500 incentive on the Prologue with another $2000 for Conquest. Someone at Honda thinks it still exists lol

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Recoil42@reddit

Prologue discontinuation hasn't been confirmed. There was a rumour of it floating around but Honda issued a denial. I'm not even sure where you heard the Blazer EV discontinuation story, I don't even think there are rumours floating around for that one.

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RipplingButtocks@reddit

I believe they were implying that both Acuras were going not the blazer.

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Recoil42@reddit

Ah, brain fart — rather, the two Honda models together. Regardless, the Prologue discontinuation is denied by Honda.

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03Void@reddit

GM spent over decade building their EV branding. They're taking it seriously since the beginning.

Honda/Acura EV offering just feels like an afterthought. I live in a place where EVs are everywhere. You cannot make an intersection in a rural town without seeing multiple EVs, most being Hyundai/Kia, Tesla, or GM. I've seen a single Acura ZDX and Honda Prologue sightings are in the single digit.

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BeigeChocobo@reddit

The fact that they're just taking a year off from the RDX without a redesign ready is absolutely insane to me.

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WCWRingMatSound@reddit

It’s beyond insane. They have a CR-V frame ready to go. While Acura has tried to be sportier than Honda, even a 1:1 luxury CR-V with leather and a HUD would be better than nothing.

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GVIrish@reddit

Yeah having a gap year for their second most popular model is product planning malpractice. Maybe the plan was that the ZDX could fill the gap for a year or something but even that would be crazy.

Then to stretch the Odyssey to over a decade? Madness.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

They can stretch out the Odyssey because the Chrysler minivans are dogshit awful and Toyota can't or won't build enough Siennas to meet market demand. The other option is the Kia Carnival, which is... yeah.

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cubs223425@reddit

having a gap year for their second most popular model is product planning malpractice

What if it's both of your top-2 models and you bring them back as much less desirable products (Dodge with the Charger and Challenger)?

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CuddleTeamCatboy@reddit

It’s not just the Odyssey, the MDX and HR-V are also getting extended into a decade of production. Honda is going to end up with a dated ICE lineup and zero EVs, they’ve somehow achieved the worst of all worlds with this strategy.

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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit

If I didn't know better I'd think Honda's board was shorting its stock. Just bad decision after bad decision, and this is after 20 years of fumbling the ball with Acura while Lexus became the most stand-out luxury car brand in the world.

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Anon198791@reddit

Acura dealers and customers are really getting fucked over.

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maxgeek@reddit

Did any of them actually sell "decently" or were they discounted heavily? The Honda/Acura EV's were all heavily discounted.

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Uptons_BJs@reddit

I just checked my local dealer website, and the manufacturer incentive is only $2500, which in the grand scheme of things isn’t that much for a Cadillac or an EV nowadays

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biguk997@reddit

At one point, lyrics were going for sub 400 a month with very little down. I was searching for one and ended up with an Optiq. I actually currently have a ZDX, Optiq, and Prologue lol. All have been awesome cars so far.

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maxgeek@reddit

The majority of deals for EV's are going to be leases.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HondaPrologue/comments/1s5g1j0/149month_36_month_lease_for_new_honda_2026_honda/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leasehacker/comments/1t3vdit/2026_honda_prologue_lease_pa_3year_36k_miles_0/

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1i3vsjh/usa_acura_zdx_24month_lease_for_299month_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarLeasingHelp/comments/1l0dfjb/acura_zdx_lease_deal/

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1f08bk7/the_65850_acura_zdx_ev_can_be_leased_for_just_319/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcuraZDX/comments/1ivz29o/how_do_you_get_these_crazy_lease_deals/

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Combat_Wombat23@reddit

My local Acura dealer sold 1 (one) ZDX at sticker because some guy didn’t want to lease. A Type S at that too.

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dont-YOLO-ragequit@reddit

At that point they should have just dumped all EV-Hybrid projects to Acura.

If it dies, it dies.

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piddydb@reddit

It almost feels like Honda doesn’t want Acura to succeed at this point, otherwise your point would make too much sense

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Setanta68@reddit

TBH Honda hasn't wanted Honda to succeed for a long time. Sochiro would be spinning in his grave.

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ZaheerAlGhul@reddit

They basically just did a destiny swap with Infiniti

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

We wouldn't surprise Acura dropping in near future.

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Sriracha01@reddit

Odyssey and HRV both need Hybrid versions. I hope they somehow keep the V6 for the Odyssey somehow as a stand alone option and pair it with a hybrid battery.

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aprtur@reddit

Dumb thing is, the HR-V already has a hybrid globally (as the ZR-V) - they just need to federalize it.

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funnyfarm299@reddit

Doubtful you're going to see it in the HR-V. Most buyers for that car only care about initial price.

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DonLindsay1@reddit

Knowing Honda, they probably would earmark it for the ADX.

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African-Rain-Blesser@reddit

Knowing Honda, they’ll inexplicably offer it for the HRV and withhold it from the ADX.

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Secret_Company@reddit (OP)

At the same time, Honda will be aiming to increase fleet sales.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/hondas-profits-plunge-61-dialing-up-fleet-sales-tds

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Tuned4Tactics@reddit

Honda = Nissan from 15 years ago, confirmed? Lol

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aprtur@reddit

Nissan needs to go all in on their new strategy and capitalize on Honda stagnating, that's for sure. Their recovery roadmap does look promising.

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Andrey2790@reddit

Did they actually produce any EVs? It's nice that they rebranded a Blazer, but I don't know of any actual EVs that Honda itself made.

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andrewia@reddit

They made the Clarity EV, but it was basically a compliance car. It's a bit better as a PHEV, although I wasn't a fan of the split rear window nor the infotainment from the 2016 Civic.

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aprtur@reddit

Same with the Fit EV - lease-only compliance car at the time, and wouldn't have sold hardly any even if it wasn't lease only, since the MSRP was as much as a loaded Accord V6.

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willpc14@reddit

They dumped money into the Afeela joint venture with Sony, but I don't think that product is even going to make it to market. Not sure if they'll be able to use the R&D for other projects either.

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Mnm0602@reddit

Afeela was such an oddball, it felt like something where both Sony/Honda created a team with autonomy, later forgot about it and even cancelled it at some point but forgot to tell the Afeela team so they just went ahead with their launch PR push.

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Recoil42@reddit

Honda makes a few EVs, they just don't make any for the US market. That was supposed to start this year for EPA CAFE and CARB ACC2, but both of those efforts have gone down the toilet nationally, hence the cancellations.

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andrewia@reddit

And they're still making the budget EV for developing markets. They're just canning their high-end platform. Which still seems like a mistake, considering how Europe and China are moving, in addition to wealthier areas of the US.

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Recoil42@reddit

They're cancelling American products, not high-end ones. Once you make that correction your comment makes perfect sense.

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andrewia@reddit

I wouldn't call it exclusively "American" since the 0 series would also be sold in places like Europe and Japan. The SUV in particular was midsize like the CR-V, not fullsize (4.7 meters long), which indicates they were planning on exporting it. They also intended to make 3 smaller models after launching the 4 most profitable large ones. America was just the launch market since we have a lot of deep pockets, a preference for Hondas, and previously had good subsidies. Honda wouldn't be foolish enough to make an electric platform exclusively for the American market, but without us, the economics didn't work out.

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Recoil42@reddit

I wouldn't call it exclusively "American" since the 0 series would also be sold in places like Europe and Japan.

I'm sorry, but you're deadass confused here. The 0 Series hasn't been cancelled globally. The 0 Alpha is still due in India, and there are no confirmations of EU / Japanese cancellations. The reason you don't hear much about those is because Europe isn't a huge market for Honda.

You're half-hearing a bunch of news and mashing it up in your head to come to a series of mistaken conclusions.

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andrewia@reddit

No, I've been following this news closely. Honda canceled their primary Zero platform that underpinned the Zero sedan, Zero midsize crossover, Acura RSX, Afeela sedan, and future midsize and larger crossovers and sedans. This was the platform slated for production in Ohio.

This is all separate from their developing-market Zero Alpha EV. An Indian journalist confirmed Honda is manufacturing it in India for Southeast Asian markets, and that it is on a different platform that will not be shared with any other vehicles. https://topelectricsuv.com/news/honda/honda-0-alpha-us-europe-australia/

Here is Honda's roadmap that shows both the Zero Alpha and all the other vehicles that would be on the larger Zero platform: https://www.drive.com.au/news/honda-seven-global-0-series-evs-2030/

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Recoil42@reddit

No, I've been following this news closely.

No, you haven't, and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

In fact, you haven't even bothered to read your own fucking link, which says — and I quote: "....after careful consideration, the company made the decision to cancel the development and market launch of three EV models that had been planned for production in the U.S., namely the Honda 0 SUV, Honda 0 Saloon, and Acura RSX."

They're cancelling three vehicles planned for US production, because that's what your own fucking link says. No other cancellations have been announced.

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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

three vehicles planned for US production

How many of the silhouetted models were also planned to be made in the US? And what do you think is going to happen to them if their predecessors has been cancelled?

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Recoil42@reddit

How many of the silhouetted models were also planned to be made in the US?

Likely the three-row model, definitely not all of them. At least one is scheduled to be made in India, which we've already been discussing. The 'small' SUV due for 2029 almost certainly was never due for US production because the HR-V offering in that segment never has been.

And what do you think is going to happen to them if their predecessors has been cancelled?

There is no neatly-packaged answer for this question like you're hoping for.

It is going to be assessed model-by-model and case-by-case. Models are made in more than one place, plans get adjusted as markets shift. No one can tell you with 100% certainty about vehicles roadmapped as far away as 2030 — not even Honda — because what actually hits production is going to depend greatly on what happens in next year, the year after that, and even the year after that.

For an interesting case to consider: Some models were definitely scheduled and announced to have Canadian production and then were delayed but since Canadian production just mirrors the global production, a delay in production for models made in Canada does not necessarily represent an overall global delay (let alone a cancellation) for those models. Production can be consolidated.

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andrewia@reddit

If Honda was going to continue using the larger Zero platform, they would mention that in the "Future direction" part of the press release. But they specifically mention "next-generation hybrid models" and NOT EVs for "other countries in Asia" and to "maintain stable returns to shareholders" [globally]. The only mention of EVs is oblique text relating to India. Honda has been making it clear that they are reducing EV investments, such as their most recent quarterly report on page 37: https://global.honda/en/investors/library/road_show/main/0/teaserItems3/0/linkList/0/link/FYE202603_0130_corporate_update_e.pdf

Honda also has nowhere to sell any Zero EVs. Their China EVs are on a separate platform, and Honda Japan EVs specify no EV commutments besides the N-One EV and Super-ONE, neither of which use the Zero Platform. Those are their core markets. Since China already has its own cheaper platform and the Zero platform is unsuitable for compact cars that are popular in Japan, exactly where will they use the Zero Platform?

We can find out this month when Honda announces their new medium- and long-term plans to shareholders.

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Recoil42@reddit

Three vehicles planned for US production were cancelled. Other vehicles have not had announced cancellations.

That's it. We can stop there. You can stop confusing yourself and acting like conjecture is sorted fact at every turn in this conversation.

Three vehicles planned for US production were cancelled. Other vehicles have not had announced cancellations.

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andrewia@reddit

I see. I have edited my comments in italics to specify that Honda has canceled Ohio production plans for the Zero platform, and has not confirmed cancellation of the platform itself.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Honda E was their own design EV model, but it was considered overprice in its battery range and sold poorly, they just discontinued it after that. However, they now try small EV market again with N-One EV.

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kinkycarbon@reddit

Missing the Powersports division. The WN7 electric motorcycle is to be released this year. Unfortunately it costs as much as a used car due to batteries.

I’m not that worried.

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olek2012@reddit

Not surprised at all! We went in for a Prologue and the salespeople were so clueless about it. They almost seemed hostile towards us for wanting to buy it. And the lease terms they offered were laughable. We went down the street to the Cadillac dealership and got a much nicer EV (on the same platform), for half the price, and with nice service.

The funny part was the Honda salesperson telling us to buy the Prologue, not the Lyriq, because the Prologue has Honda reliability.

They put almost no effort into selling these and they flopped.

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aprtur@reddit

They put in a minimum effort on it, and it was spread widely in the media that it was a GM from the outset of sales, so both dealers and traditional Honda buyers generally turned away from it with the exception of fire sale lease deals. Throw in the various recalls (suspension failure, High Voltage system, HVAC, and software issues) that tarnished the name even further, and it's not that surprising it flopped. Honda needs to bring their own EV platform here, and not a reskinned Chevy.

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TSLAog@reddit

I had a nearly exact experience with a Honda dealer too. Ended up at the Chevrolet dealer and got a 2026 Equinox EV for far less and the UI is way better than the Hondas too.

-Lifelong Honda fan, first time GM buyer.

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hutacars@reddit

How is the UI better, given there is no CarPlay?

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TSLAog@reddit

You truly have to just try both out in person, Comparing the two you can clearly tell GM put a ton of effort into making it an intuitive, lightning fast, smooth, user interface. We used to have a Model-Y and it’s 95% as good as that.

The built in Google Maps w/Waze is better than CarPlay. The built in Google play-store lets you add Apps you might not have. It even has customizable instrument panels, even has maps as one!

The Honda was laggy, poor images display, built in maps were garbage. CarPlay was slow to load, and just felt very 2015.

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

Eh, I just can't bring myself to buy a rolling subscription.

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TSLAog@reddit

I literally pay for zero subscriptions…

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

That's because your subscription is pre-paid for 8 years.

https://www.onstar.com/standard-content

Once that's up, you or the second owner will need to pay $35/mo if you want to use stuff like maps/spotify.

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TSLAog@reddit

Ok, I’ll cross that bridge in 8 years… it’s a family car and I average 20K miles a year. It’s unlikely I’ll even have the car by then.

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

Sure, for the first owner it's probably not gonna be a problem.

I don't blame/fault anyone for buying one, I just personally choose to avoid GM/Rivian/Tesla because I think this model has been shown to work and more OEM's are pushing to remove phone mirroring/etc to try and force recurring revenue.

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olek2012@reddit

Same here! We’ve had two Hondas in the family in the past and I was a never GM guy for a long time. But they offered a solid product for a cheap price so I wasn’t about to pass it up.

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Tuned4Tactics@reddit

One thing I always felt Cadillac did right was their dealership network and their quality of service provided. Every Cadillac I bought came with no bullshit attached. The dealers were straight forward and helpful and the same can be said about their service department. Other brands can stand to learn from Cadillac in that sense.

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Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit

Well that’s tragic considering the Accord is almost a year overdue for its mid cycle refresh and the Odyssey is multiple years overdue for a whole new generation.

I will give the Odyssey credit though, it still looks extremely sharp and sells just as much if not more than the competition.

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9991em@reddit

2025 minivan sales in US Pacifica 110k Sienna 101k Odyssey 88k Carnival 71k

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jawknee530i@reddit

Surprised Pacifica is number one. I guess there's a reason Chrysler still sells one vehicle.

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max_power1000@reddit

Fleet sales, and you're far more likely to get a deal or significant incentives with them.

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-Never-Enough-@reddit

I'm guessing 80k of those Pacificas are sold to rental companies.

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eh_itzvictor@reddit

80% of the fleet sales likely went straight to the Orlando MCO airport.

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NickofSantaCruz@reddit

I see Pacifica hybrids everywhere and assume people snapped them up last year because they qualified for the $7500 EV tax credit.

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Mnm0602@reddit

And they’re probably paying the price because there’s lots of issues I’ve seen reported.

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funnyfarm299@reddit

A huge portion of that is fleet sales.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

A sale is a sale, no?

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funnyfarm299@reddit

Somewhat. Fleet sales typically make much less profit due to bulk discounts.

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Several-Eggplant4460@reddit

And the fact that they're almost always base spec

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eh_itzvictor@reddit

The Odyssey is the only one that feels outdated to me though, i dont even really feel like the accord necessarily needs a refresh, its still pretty fresh feeling to me.

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max_power1000@reddit

The Odyssey doesn't need a refresh when its only other competition is from Kia and Chrysler.

Toyota has the market cornered on hybrid/AWD and can't keep Siennas in stock in general, so Honda will stay #2 for anyone who really cares about their vehicle over just getting a deal.

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Anon198791@reddit

The Ridgeline has entered the conversation.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

I'm worried that Honda will pull a 2000s Ford Ranger with that one and just let it wither on the vine.

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Anon198791@reddit

They won't they're in a weird spot right now. The V6 Hybrid is coming soon... just don't know how soon. We'll seen if '27 will be a new design. They still need to integrate the 10-speed transmission and the new Dual Overhead Cam 3.5 into the Ridgeline like the Pilots and Passport.

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mellofello808@reddit

The current accord is the ugliest design since the really round one in the early 2000s

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ChasedWarrior@reddit

The ugliest Accord was the 2008 to 2013 model. The fat Accord. And the 2018 to 2023 Accord wasn't a thing of beauty either.

I like the current Accord. Understated European looking. What I don't like is how Honda decontented the Accord, eliminating previously standard features, and the fact I can only buy the hybrid in higher trim levels. I used to be a Honda fan. Not any more.

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ashzeppelin98@reddit

Outside of the American and a select few Asian markets- what's known as the Acura TSX was in fact the Accord, not the thiccboi one you guys are used to.

Some countries like Australia even had the choice to buy that objectively more handsome car over the "standard" Accord. Accordingly it was upsold as thr Accord Euro.

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mellofello808@reddit

In my subjective opinion the 2007 era Accord is one of the worst looking Hondas of all time.

I really liked the look of the last accord. It leaned into the Japanese look in a good way, and while the design was a bit overwrought it came together very cohesively.

The new one grafts a bunch of faux Teutonic design cues onto a really awkward shape.

My coworker owns a 2025 that I looked everyday walking into the office. At first glance the design seems clean, but there are many angles that look extremely awkward, and draw your eyes to how extremely long the vehicle is.

I hope they bring back some pizzazz for the refresh. At least add some type of styling to the side profile.

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roman_maverik@reddit

I am questioning my aesthetic choices reading this thread, because I actually think the 2007 accord is one of the best looking ones lol.

Im a huge fan of pretty much everything Honda was doing in 2003-2011, design wise.

We had the 7th Gen Accord, 8th Gen Civic, Ap2 s2000, and the first gen Ridgeline. To me, this was the GOAT lineup, and Honda has never been as good (aesthetically) since.

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TheCudder@reddit

The current Accord is just the most generic looking sedan. I guess with VW axing the Passat in the US, Honda figured they'd take over the boring sedan category.

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mellofello808@reddit

The styling really draws emphasis on just how gigantic of a vehicle the Accord has become. It is longer than many large SUVs.

The previous generation was on the same platform, but it wore the size so much better.

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ChasedWarrior@reddit

The Civic is now a midsized car. The Accord is full sized.

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ChasedWarrior@reddit

In a recent minivan comparison from Car and Driver magazine, the Odyssey came in third out of 4 vans tested, reason being that it was outdated, no hybrid or awd option. The only reason why it wasn't last was because the Pacifica that was tested was the much maligned hybrid version. CD says if the Pacifica wasn't the hybrid version it would have placed ahead of the Odyssey. Ouch!

Look at the bright side: the Ridgeline is in it's second generation, nearly 10 years in now. Talk about a vehicle that's being ignored.

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DaBanninator@reddit

The accord is ugly AF

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Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit

The Odyssey has gotten enough refreshes so that it still looks fresh to me despite being anicient by this point.

The Accord has been stale to me since the day it released though and so I was waiting eagerly for a mid cycle refresh. Guess not.

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eh_itzvictor@reddit

I think the Accord is just so inoffensive looking that its forgetful looking enough to where It doesnt look old or new 🤣 i guess a small change would be nice, but its just so inoffensive.

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Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit

Well I miss when it was more offensive. And also on the cutting edge of tech. These days it’s sorely lacking behind the competition.

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eh_itzvictor@reddit

Man, I do too. The gen before this was absolute perfection, same to the gen before that. It feels like they tried to be a Toyota Camry with the new gen, its very plain.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

It feels like they tried to be a Toyota Camry with the new gen, its very plain.

I find it interesting that you say that, because I think the new Camry doesn't look very plain at all. In fact, I think it looks very sharp and attractively styled. Way more so than the Accord. Toyota took what worked with the previous gen and updated it nicely. I think the SE trim is by far the best looking trim on the Camry. It looks great.

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SchrodingerHat@reddit

Yeah! It feels like they swapped for this gen.

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Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit

I definitely agree.

The Camry tried to copy itself as well. I guess the last gen was too offensive for what the Camry is known for so they toned it down with the new one.

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eh_itzvictor@reddit

Its crazy because i feel the last gen camry sold light hotcakes because it was so handsome! Its very interesting changes to see from both the brands

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288bpsmodem@reddit

Odessy needs a new frame for crash tests.

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Daddgonecrazy@reddit

Wife has a 2025 odyssey. Wonder what this will do for values.

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quiksi@reddit

The Odyssey is downright ancient and yet it’s still the best one for drivers and doesn’t feel outdated on features at all.

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neueziel1@reddit

I think accords generally look great except for the ones in early 2010s

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Mnm0602@reddit

Odyssey needs a hybrid and maybe some of the Pilot interior enhancement and it’s good for another 8 years with a mild facelift in the middle.

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J1mj0hns0n@reddit

Honda make reliable vehicles. If they don't do the subscription drivel they'll continue to make money

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captain_stoobie@reddit

We’ve had our Odyssey for over a decade now. I keep waiting for a hybrid model that never comes. Looks like I might have the old van for another decade.

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BikeSawBrew@reddit

Have a 2006 Accord and have been waiting on the hybrid Odyssey since about 2016. Someday...

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captain_stoobie@reddit

Oooh my neighbor is selling his 06 Accord 5 speed. I’m thinking about buying it for my son. How’s it been for you?

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BikeSawBrew@reddit

4cyl EX here. 268,000 miles. I’d buy it for my kid if I were in that situation. While a car of that age could always have an unknown issue lurking, I’d bet on average you’d get a few years out of it most of the time.

I have minor rust on rear wheel wells. Replaced starter, throttle position sensor, had A/C leak at evaporator, O2 sensor fail…all at 200k+ but all repairs I was able to DIY so not too bad since the parts are cheap. No major issues or engine problems.

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cat_prophecy@reddit

The best numbers I can find are that that the Sienna sold just over 100,000 units in 2025, the Odyssey was behind at 88k. That's only 10k more than the Carnival and the Pacifica outsold them both at 110k.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Good news is that large sedan is no more demanding, I mean only Camry and Accord still playing this market.

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p3dal@reddit

$15.7 billion in losses?? How much does it cost to let GM make your EVs for you?

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GVIrish@reddit

It's from cancelling the 3 in house EV's that they were supposed to launch in the next year or so. Right when oil prices are spiking.

This is 2008 all over again when Honda reacted to the financial crisis by cancelling their V8 rwd Acura platform.

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p3dal@reddit

You'd think they'd bring at least one of them to market! If they don't get the supply chain set up, they'll never be able to compete. The Chinese EV makers are going to eat their lunch.

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GVIrish@reddit

Honda is pulling out of the Indian and South Korean markets, their sales are like 20% of what their peak was in the EU, and they just cancelled EVs when EVs are growing quickly in the EU and China. So the plan now is to stretch several of their successful models in the US to almost a decade?

The Chinese manufacturers are rapidly gaining momentum without the US market, they are absolutely going to eat Honda's lunch internationally. Maybe they'll be held out of the US market but even then Honda is not positioning itself to be strong in the US either.

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GrassLongjumping3901@reddit

Honda is pulling out of the Indian and South Korean markets

haven't read much about this. Can you link an article here?

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GVIrish@reddit

Now that I'm looking for it, I can't find the article again so maybe it's fake news. I can only find confirmation that they're leaving SK.

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JNC123QTR@reddit

Yeah seeing that was surprising. As far as I knew, the only version of the Zero series EVs still going into production was a smaller cheaper version of the SUV they designed for India. Be surprising for them to drop the entire country instead.

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p3dal@reddit

I'm sure I sound like a broken record, but I miss honda from the early 2000s. The S2000, The Accord V6 with the MT, the K20 Civic SI, the Element, even the Odyssey was new and exciting.

Who is going to be the first japanese car company to partner with a chinese automaker on manufacturing? I'm sure there are cultural reasons why it might not be feasible, but I don't know how Honda can abandon entire markets and expect to remain competitive.

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SsP45@reddit

Aren't a bunch of Mazda's EVs Chinese in origin? Maybe they're the first?

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p3dal@reddit

Mazda makes EVs?

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SsP45@reddit

Yeah, they have a few. They're not available in Canada or the US. The Mazda 6e is the one I've seen mentioned the most: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_6e

It's a venture between Mazda and Changan, a Chinese EV maker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changan_Mazda

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ElegantBiscuit@reddit

Maybe in a few years they'll merge with nissan if neither can manage to get their act together, then form the ultimate rat king of the automotive world by then merging with stellantis. It would be a truly diabolical and abominable amalgamation of every poorly run and mismanaged auto manufacturer contained within a single entity, defined by the lost potential of what their brands could have been and all the loyal fans they have let down over the years.

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TheDrunkenMatador@reddit

The US is never going to allow Chinese EVs into the market and that’s just the end of it.

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Mnm0602@reddit

And they designed the shitty 2011 Civic that required an immediate facelift for 2012.

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Recoil42@reddit

They're factory investment write-downs for all of the Honda EVs that were planned to be made by Honda themselves for the US market.

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p3dal@reddit

Yeah, I see that in the article, I was just poking fun. It's a tough time to be a honda fan. At least we still have the Type R.

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PROfessorShred@reddit

All my Motorcycles are Honda at the end of the day I think they will be just fine.

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p3dal@reddit

I also think your motorcycles will be just fine. But there are plenty of Chinese made brands carving up the bike market as well.

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PROfessorShred@reddit

The fun thing about accounting is its all made up. Ev's are an easy scapegoat. So if you add in R&D costs for another vehicle that may/maynot use a part in the EV vehicle but have a paper trail that says it may be used you can add that into your losses from the EV's which everyone understands. Then when your next vehicle comes to production using that same part and you have 0 R&D cost your books look amazing because you are making pure profit. At the end of the day as long as you make 1+1 =2 it doesn't matter if you got there by subtracting $15.9 billion in EV losses.

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Combat_Wombat23@reddit

A lot when yours isn’t allowed to be better than the guy you’re borrowing from. The Lyriq was/is the better car

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p3dal@reddit

In the article the costs are related to the three new models they developed but cancelled. I was just being facetious.

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su1ac0@reddit

Every automotive journo/pundit I follow: "woe is me, the US is being left behind, EV's are the future"

Meanwhile, legendary global brands:

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Honestly not that surprised. Toyota made the right call being cautious about delving too deeply into EVs.

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hutacars@reddit

Not hard to make the “right call” when you lobby climate deniers to alter reality to match your product line.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Climate change is 100% real, however so is the lack of demand for EVs in the states rn.

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SnowDucks1985@reddit

Yep, Toyota’s Bz is already the best selling non-Tesla EV in the US. Everyone on this sub always has a hard-on to talk shit about Toyota, but they’ve proven time and again they have their pulse on their market. And more importantly, they take their time responding while using their respites effectively.

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LimitedReach@reddit

The Bz is only selling because of the huge incentives on it. They’re offering 0% for 72 months + $3,500 bonus cash… combined, that’s well over $10,000 in discounts lol.

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SnowDucks1985@reddit

You say that like every other EV on the planet isn’t being incentives by dealerships lol. Zero-sum point..

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footpole@reddit

Most places don’t get the type of incentives you do in the US. Not a lot of discounts on EVs here in Finland for example.

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LimitedReach@reddit

That’s before the dealer incentives, those are manufacturer incentives.

What I’m saying is that you can’t claim success on a model that’s heavily discounted lol.

Toyota is losing money on every Bz that they sale with 15% Tariff and huge incentives.

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SnowDucks1985@reddit

What difference does it make the source of it? Almost all new EVs are loss leaders, that’s why Honda’s going through per the article. Toyota’s going to continue selling regardless, they have the money to absorb the loss 🤷🏾‍♂️

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zerosystem03@reddit

Bz is a weird example. Just sounds like Toyota bias. They sold a pitiful amount in 2025 and the "best selling" is just for q1 2026 after needing to make price cuts

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Repulsive-Club7866@reddit

Ioniq 5 overtook the BZ in April

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jca_ftw@reddit

Standard Reddit comment by Mr. Jump To Conclusions. It's a temporary boost, with lower prices, big finance incentives, rock-bottom lease rates, etc. The whole EV market in the US is taking downwards and Toyota needed to offload 10s of thousands of EVs they built. They are taking a pretty big loss on each one they sell so it's not sustainable. A sensible person would wait until at least mid-year to declare victory in such a challenging market.

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SnowDucks1985@reddit

Declare victory? Calm down it’s not that deep 😭😭

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NorthernUrban@reddit

This is me, I recently left Honda for a Toyota BZ. I didn’t want a GM car (Chevy Lumina in the 90s), Toyota has a strong brand and the BZ was the best EV I test drove. 0% financing to boot.

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SnowDucks1985@reddit

That’s amazing, you got awesome deal with the 0% financing! How are you liking the EV so far? I’m strongly considering an EV Toyota/Lexus for my next car, my only reservation is the range I guess

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SwiftCEO@reddit

Honda just can’t seem to commit to anything. They keep backing out of partnerships left and right. No real sense of direction.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Tbf they partnered with the likes of GM who aren't exactly the poster children for top notch quality.

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JoyousMisery@reddit

The GM EVs are doing well though

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Selling well and being well built cars that hold value are two very different things. People buy them due to the steep discounts.

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daandriod@reddit

Bring the GM battery and powertrain and have Honda build the actual car itself. Best of both worlds

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sponge_welder@reddit

But they hold up, for a long time the EV advice was basically to get either a bolt or a tesla

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SwiftCEO@reddit

GM has had a decent run with their EVs. The Bolt is highly praised by its owners and the Blazer seems to be doing decently.

Honda is just damaging their credibility at this point.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

The Bolt is solid, I will give you that. However that doesn't make up for their overall lack of quality for their entire lineup of cars.

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SwiftCEO@reddit

The partnership was solely for their EVs though. All the mattered was the quality of the platforms Honda was borrowing.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Sure, but clearly the partnership wasn't working out to their benefit?

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SwiftCEO@reddit

See my original point. Honda doesn’t have a clue where to go next.

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pcmraaaaace@reddit

They need new leadership

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Phazushift@reddit

Honda needs a Akio Toyoda. Racing roots.

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TurkeyPhat@reddit

Honda and Acura are genuinely run by morons. They should be as big as Toyota but they make every wrong decision possible.

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harrw626@reddit

same thing with F1. Now lookbat them now. From frontrunners the past years to this abomination. El Plan.

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Activehannes@reddit

They are all dead. The future looks horrible for them.

The chinese cars are just vastly superior to all of the rest of the world and they are currently winning in every market where they weren't cut out due to tariffs.

There is still this myth going on that chinese cars are just cheap because substitutions. Every country has substitution for their domestic car industry. Its just that the Japan government told the Japanese to go with hydrogen.

Now the truth is that chinese cars due to extreme national competition, vertical integration, and technological dedication are exceptional from a tech standpoint point.

Just last week I saw a tear down of the new BYD motor by Munro engineering in the US and the motor slaps. China is the only country with an actual sizable battery manufacturing and development and obviously all the chinese LFP batteries are remarkable.

There are now chinese companies that throw in 90k to 100k suvs to compete with Rolls-Royce and Bentley.

Now can they deliver rolls fit and finish for 90k?

Probably not, but they are getting closer. Certainly better than the german elite for higher prices.

VW just revealed the ID Polo for 25k to 42k with a 37kwh to 54kwh battery, 400V, and 110kw charging in germany.

In china, VW is building a ID Unix 08, which is a chinese Xpeng G9 with a VW steering wheel, which has like 80-95kwh, over 400 hp, over 300kw charging with potential to go 450kw, for 30k.

It is over. And the non chinese brands are only being kept alive by national pride, conservatism, and tariffs.

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Wolfo93@reddit

But the substitutions are gigantic. We are not talking just about handing some companies money. The whole authoritarian system works in tandem and utilities vast amount of tools of the state to make these companies successful internationally. How can EU or US compete when we have those pesky things like workers rights and decent pay...

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Activehannes@reddit

Germany have 6000 euros to every EV. US gave 7500 dollars

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Wolfo93@reddit

You talk about personal incentives to the customers. This is a drop in an ocean compared to the might of Chinese political state and manufacturing power working together and being guided from above by the party to take over automotive industry

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Activehannes@reddit

The german and US governments were actively fighting against electrification during the early model S days. Then they throw money at the EVs which is obviously a massive substation.

Now we are crying because we bet on the wrong horse.

I cannot blame china for wining at capitalism.

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intertubeluber@reddit

Can’t speak to international markets but it definitely appears Toyota made a smart move focusing on hybrids in the US.

Everything I read is that EVs are taking over pretty much everywhere but the US. Have Toyota global sales fallen?

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Toyota is huge enough to operate car market, but Honda can't. Both company sizes are very different.

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ProJokeExplainer@reddit

That's fine, I'll buy a Rivian next

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Mercurydriver@reddit

When are we going to get a redesigned Ridgeline?

The current generation is almost 10 years old, with no signs of a redesign coming soon.

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Zarfist@reddit

I think our best chance is a slight redesign based on some of the new Passport bits. I’d be fine with that.

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ferkaderka@reddit

Who's asking for a new Ridgeline?!

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WCWRingMatSound@reddit

There are dozens of us.

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TurkeyPhat@reddit

People who don't want a Maverick of which I see about 4 million of on the road.

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SEX-HAVER-420@reddit

Me, a 1st gen owner who really dislikes the second gen, I want whoever designed the new Passport to design a new Ridgeline.

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NorthernUrban@reddit

This is what I’m wondering, or more broadly: they announced there’d be a hybrid Ridgeline/Pilot in 2027 - is that delayed since it shares the motor with the Odyssey?

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African-Rain-Blesser@reddit

The new large platform hybrid powertrain is now delayed until at least 2030

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Eastern_Bet3714@reddit

Honda really screwed up by potentially missing out on another resurgence of EV this year. If Toyota has proven anything, it’s best to stick to a consistent strategy.

The Accord is sorely in need of a refresh as this generation has been a bit of a downgrade from the previous generation. With the new Camry generation, the Accord is now just the car you get when you can’t get a good deal on a Camry, but need something bigger than a civic.

The Odyssey, while missing a hybrid option, is still a distinguishing alternative to the competition by offering a reliable and peppy family hauler.

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aeroplane1979@reddit

The Odyssey, while missing a hybrid option, is still a distinguishing alternative to the competition by offering a reliable and peppy family hauler.

The rash of J35 V6 failures would like to have a word about Honda's claims of reliability. The issue is much more widespread that Honda admits. My 2020 Passport's engine had to be replaced at 68k miles due to this issue.

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Lost_Most_9732@reddit

You don't get to call it an EV disaster if you didn't actually ship anything. This is just very bad management. How does a company spend $16 billion dollars, ship nothing, and then blame the product segment for their failure? Tesla seems to be making and selling EVs, Ford sold a lot of Mach Es, Hyundai is up right now.

Honda just doesn't want to own up that they're shit at developing new products.

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AMLRoss@reddit

How can you label something that never came out as a disaster? They announced a bunch of EVs, but I never saw anything come out. Not in Japan anyway.

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Ris4racing@reddit

the war is not over.

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Intelligent_Top_328@reddit

Evs are the future.

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Tuned4Tactics@reddit

Maybe in socal, but not in the rest of the US. My money would be on hybrids.

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xstanloona@reddit

Looks like government intervention to electrify everything only to switch back to gas cars has been an absolute disaster for VW, Honda, and Volvo when it comes to product planning. Perhaps Nissan not being absorbed by Honda was a silver lining after all.

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African-Rain-Blesser@reddit

I don’t think it’s been an issue for Volvo. Volvo’s sales in North America is like 1/3 of what they do in Europe, where EVs are more popular, especially in the Scandinavian countries where they dominate.

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ReddSF2019@reddit

LOL short-sighted as always.

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MartiniPolice21@reddit

Why Is Every Word In This Headline Capitalised

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costafilh0@reddit

tragic

TRAGIC

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Baby-girl-54321@reddit

Sounds like they went all in too fast on EVs and now the core lineup is paying the price.

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india2wallst@reddit

Tesla re launched the Model 3 at 42k CAD all in. That's the same price as the civic sport touring hybrid. I realize the Chinese made cars are limited to 50k a year but it's a big signal to other automakers.

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Speed_Goddess187@reddit

don’t understand why y’all hate EVs so much tbh

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kidgrifter@reddit

How can electric cars be such as disaster for most car manufacturers and yet Tesla be worth so much?

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metengrinwi@reddit

How could they possibly have spent $16B when all they did was re-badge a Chevy Equinox?

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Spike_Spiegel@reddit

Honda following Nissan playbook.

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tallon4@reddit

Honda spokesperson Jessica Fini confirmed the authenticity of the letter in a statement to the publication and said the company is “very confident in our future product strategy, including our previously announced plans to advance our award-winning hybrid technology to more models.”

This means we're getting a hybrid HR-V in the States, right? And a hybrid base-trim Civic, Accord, and CR-V, right?? And a hybrid anything from Acura???

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funnyfarm299@reddit

lol no

It's going to be a new system on their bigger models.

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