Do I file a nasa report?
Posted by Adept_Cook2719@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 107 comments
I’ve had my ppl for 3 months (80 hours) now and I had a flight that went wrong. I was departing the sw facing runway, and I stupidly decided to depart the area to the east from the crosswind at around 300 ft below pattern altitude as I climbed to pattern altitude.This resulted in a near miss with traffic remaining in the pattern about 1-.5 miles (gps said 2 miles). Eventually we had each other in sight and I apologized on the ctaf. I continued ,y flight and we ended up arriving at the fob at the same time. I got a very strong lecture from the cfi which summed up to review the proper departure procedures and don’t let it happen again. They said that it should have been reported but they didn’t want to put a mark on my
RedOtta019@reddit
Half a mile is close…?
I often disagree with bragging about dangerous behavior. But I’m grown from an airport where 1/4 mile separation is routine. This is with communication tho.
ApexJohn54@reddit
MrPlake@reddit
Sounds like the average part 91 untowered experience. Couple months ago I was at an airport and I couple hear people yelling at cussing at each other at another airport 50 miles away from same craf because one apparently cut another off it was funny but if your used to towered environment then welcome to part 91 cowboy
ptrickwondo84@reddit
We have some moderate mountains off the end of 12 at KAVQ, which forces people to either depart on the crosswind or downwind unless they are confident in their climb performance. Eyes outside, remember some old/slow birds don't have ADS-B out, and always be ready for someone to do something dumb. In this case, it sounds like it might have been you, and it's good that you're forthcoming about the circumstances. Having a scare like that is a good reminder to have a plan in place ahead of time, know which procedures you'll use, and have a plan B ready.
Worldly-Alternative5@reddit
I think this is much ado about nothing, but file the ASRS report just for practice. Any time you think something was unsafe, file a report. An overwhelming percentage of the time, it will go into a spreadsheet somewhere and not even be a footnote, but the whole point of the system is the aggregate of the data will help uncover ways to make aviation safer. Some grad student somewhere may someday be happy to have one more datapoint in the sample.
poser765@reddit
I’ll be honest… I didn’t read the body of your post. Anytime you ask if you should file an ASRS/ASAP/whatever the answer is always yes. It costs you nothing but a few minutes and either protects you from enforcement or disseminates important safety information to the people that need to know.
Mazer1415@reddit
Came to say this. All it costs is time.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
Does filing a report mean it will get reviewed and then potentially escalated?
theonlyski@reddit
ASRS data is deidentified before it’s given to the FAA*.
You have nothing to worry about in this situation. File it and do better next time.
*if the act is a mandatory enforcement item then they can still move forward with charging you. This wasn’t one of them (and honestly not even really a NMAC by your description).
poser765@reddit
Ok so my lazy ass read the post. File an asap. Let pissed if CFI file whatever report he wants. Then give it no more thought. Learn and move on. Admittedly I’m not super up to date on traffic pattern stuff, but I don’t recall there being anything in 91 stating what altitude is required before a turn out.
poser765@reddit
In theory? Yes. In reality? Don’t know. Maybe? I know there is zero chance if nobody reports anything.
Sad-Umpire6000@reddit
ASRS reports are not primarily to give immunity from enforcement action. They’re there to get information out on problems and help other pilots learn and improve safety. If there is something that could have been done differently, especially if it’s not obvious, go ahead and file a report. If this was a case of a low-time, inexperienced student not having complete situational awareness and having a conflict with other traffic, you could file one but there probably isn’t really anything in there that isn’t well-known.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
If I don’t, is this bad enough to get pursued?
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
No. Both flights were operating vfr. See and avoid. If there was a collision both pilots would be at fault. One more than the other.
When the other CFI chastised you and said your departure was incorrect, I'm assuming he was referencing the way departures are referenced in the AIM. Which isn't actually regulatory. So what rule was actually broken?
Now, I would be curious about your radio call when you were departing. Did you say departing 24, departing pattern to east? That alerts others of what to expect.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I said turning crosswind departing the area to the east
acfoltzer@reddit
Either this was actually much worse than what you were describing, or this CFI took this way too far. I'd love to know what "should have been reported" exactly. That you made a non-standard pattern departure (not recommended but completely legal) and the airplanes came within one mile of each other? At most this seems like an opportunity to chat about 45° pattern exits.
It sounds like this person really got in your head. Maybe talk it through with a CFI you trust to get another non-internet perspective?
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
This was my take as well. How close were you really?
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
Pretty sure they were doing pattern work I just don’t know how they got behind me, they took off before me, unless they did a really long upwind idk how it happened, I departed after I heard their crosswind call
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
Student pilot making 747 patterns. Were they in a 150? Go look up adsb exchange.
I had a guy chew me out for taking off and cutting him off. Dude had just turned base and still had 1 mile final. I
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
It looks like it took them 2x as much time to climb to 300ft below pa and turn crosswind.
acfoltzer@reddit
Ah, this makes me a bit more sympathetic to the CFI, because it sounds like you took off behind them and then turned inside of their left-hand pattern. In another reply you said 0.5nm lateral separation which is tight but not too unusual for sharing a pattern. However the person behind them suddenly appearing in front of them is cause for surprise, if not alarm.
I would file the ASRS and work on your situational awareness in the non-towered environment. Moreso than rigidly following a prescribed procedure, it's important to be predictable and clear about where you are and what you're doing. AC 90-66 is a useful reference. Don't be afraid to go up with your CFI again and find the busiest non-towered pattern in the area to build up the reflexes.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I totally agree that it would catch them off guard, my mistake was assuming they were downwind. I just really can’t understand how if I took off after their crosswind call they still hadn’t turned downwind since we are flying same make and model so performance should have been similar.
acfoltzer@reddit
Yeah if they'd already called crosswind before you were rolling, it's wild that you'd be able to cut them off. I bet the same thing would've happened if you were intending to stay in the pattern; has nothing to do with the way you departed.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
it honestly sounds like we're getting conflicting information as to when the other plane turned crosswind. Regardless, poor situational awareness. This is where adsb in really helps.
Also, sometimes plane english helps
Red_roka@reddit
File the report. The FAA runs on data, the reporting program provides protection as an incentive as a way for the FAA to collect data. That’s the whole point of it being run by a neutral party.
I’d also recommend reading up on the compliance and enforcement philosophy used by the FAA. I’m not saying a compliance action wouldn’t be a big deal, but it’s probably a lot less of a deal than you’re thinking. The FAA has pivoted to compliance philosophy and that’s likely the absolute worst case scenario if a FSDO were to even bother with a complaint like this.
Also, just for your own curiosity, see if your airport is on Live ATC and check the archives. Marry that up with ADSB exchange archives and see where the breakdown was. If it’s not on Live ATC, some FBOs record their CTAF. I think if you approached this with the airport manager as you wanting to learn from it and remember the incident clearly, they may be willing to let you listen to it, I probably wouldn’t ask for copies of the audio tho.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
The adsb data shows horizontal separation at .5nm and vertical at 150-175 at the closest
Askacfi23@reddit
Airline guy here former cfi, first of all fuck that guy. Didnt seem like you did it intentionally, so a gentlemen talk would have been sufficient. But do file that report. Good on you for learning on your mistakes
Impossible-Bed46@reddit
Yes. The NASA report allows a pilot to honestly consider the event and how they would do it differently. Read AC 90-66C. This should be required reading for ALL pilots. Flying near non-towered airports can be a challenge. However, if everyone operates predictably it is much safer.
AdditionalWx314@reddit
I read the title of your post and immediately the answer is “yes” (even before reading your account). Anytime anything happens that makes you wonder if a NASA report should be filed, the answer is “yes”. They are anonymous and they don’t go you your “record.” But they are there if anyone officially questions what happened.
draggingmytail@reddit
I’m confused who you almost “hit” in the pattern if you were on crosswind and departing from the crosswind?
Were they on a 45 entry into downwind?
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
They were on a really long downwind I guess, I didn’t see them or hear them until the traffic alert
draggingmytail@reddit
Sounds like they need a talk about proper patterns then. Theres no way, if they were flying a standard pattern, that you doing a crossing exit were at risk of hitting them if you didn’t take off right on their ass.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I began my takeoff checklist and departed after their crosswind call
draggingmytail@reddit
Yeah… that’s on them dude… unlesss you’re flying a PC-12 and they’re in a Cub, there’s no way you overtook someone if they were flying a standard pattern.
voretaq7@reddit
Yes, you file an ASRS report for this.
You write it up (in even more excruciating detail than you did here) so that other pilots can learn from your error and not do the same thing themselves.
If you are very, very lucky you find yourself published anonymously in Callback!
Far_Top_7663@reddit
Yes. I don't need to read the rest of the post (I did, but I didn't need to). How do you know?
Because whatever happened, it made you ponder whether you should file a NASA report
CluelessPilot1971@reddit
What is the downside of filing a NASA report?
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I read you only get immunity once every 5 years, I’m really early into my career what if I mess up again?
x4457@reddit
Maybe don't do something you need immunity for more than once ever?
File it.
burnheartmusic@reddit
Well what they describe doesn’t seem accurate since they said it was a near miss but it’s then .5/1/2 miles but cfi yelling at them. You don’t really get yelled at for 2 miles
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I don’t plan on it obviously it was a mistake, how was it not a near miss? Do you mind explaining more please?
x4457@reddit
You gotta be a lot closer for it to be a near miss. 1-2 miles isn't all that close.
Yuri909@reddit
It is if journalists get ahold of it lol
OriginalJayVee@reddit
That’s what I was wondering. 1-2 miles is a regular day here.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I thought that too, obviously it doesn’t excuse the mistake
x4457@reddit
This really is not as big of a deal as you think it is.
__joel_t@reddit
Google "FAA definition near mid-air collision." What does that say?
KITTYONFYRE@reddit
ohhhhhhh I get it. it's so simple. why didn't we think of this before. fellas: just stop messing up
x4457@reddit
Do you understand how the immunity system works?
KITTYONFYRE@reddit
yes. I mean I think OP's comment was a bit silly to be clear!
I just also think it's a bit silly to respond "just don't mess up 4head"
theonlyski@reddit
The immunity is from a certificate action. You have to really bone things up to get that far.
If you're anywhere close to needing one more than every 5 years, you should really reevaluate your aviation life.
You'd be way more likely to get your certificate pulled via failing a reexamination (which the inspector can demand if they think there's question on your competence even on the first incident) and ASRS won't prevent that.
olek2012@reddit
I think you’re looking at it the wrong way. The benefit of ASRS is that it makes aviation safer for all users of the NAS. The immunity is just an incentive to encourage participation, but it’s not the real purpose (even if it seems that way from the pilots’ perspective)
Hambone76@reddit
This is such a horrible take that I can’t even put it into words.
__joel_t@reddit
The "once every 5 years" thing only kicks in if the FAA would have initiated an enforcement action but didn't due to the NASA report. If you file a NASA report and the FAA does nothing, it doesn't count against the "every 5 years" thing.
There's zero downside to filing it. Just do it.
Also, whoever taught you about the 5-year thing needs to be corrected, as this disincentivizes pilots from filing, which is contrary to the whole point.
one-each-pilot@reddit
Always.
Sad-Umpire6000@reddit
I missed the distance innthe original post. Half a mile or more is a non-issue. How experienced is the CFI?
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
It was .47 nm and 150-175 vertical
Jimmi5150@reddit
In another comment you wrote .5nm after looking it up? How can you have a conflicting answer for adsb data. Unless you are rushing the responses due to engagement. Slow down, figure it out then judge what you need to do. Like others have said they wouldnt report it due it to it being practically another day in a CTAF. But also report it if in doubt. Do you really think that even the most professional pilots dont have marks against their name or no screwups? I can guarantee there are 747 captains that have. Being perfect isnt the goal, how you respond to these things matters. If that means reflecting and understanding what you have done wrong but no report or both then so be it.
Also have confidence talking to your CFI, you talked down the fact this other person was also a factor in the mistake. Learn to defend yourself, its not lying its just understanding the situation while also sticking up for yourself
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
Yes .47 very easily rounds to .5, the issue is that the other pilot is a cfi and chief at that and I don’t even have 100 hours so I kinda had to just get yelled at infront of a bunch of people. I made a mistake by following a non standard (yet legal) pattern departure. Which I’m trying to take responsibility for and maturely reflect on what happened. Honestly they also did a nonstandard pattern and entered the downwind at 200 ft below pa. Also after looking at the data and everything I don’t feel as though their response was appropriate considering the separation seems to be more than adequate despite being perhaps abnormal.
Jimmi5150@reddit
Can you move schools? I mean yelling at someone for something that has no one reason as to why it happened is just baffling. Im from Australia so its hard to understand the legal stuff because there are differences.
200ft difference is on the sloppy side but i think it passable as long as it is corrected.
I just think the only thing you did wrong was cut them off. Situational awareness just wasnt there.
If they are in the circuit and you are departing you were still within the circuit. Thats the only thing you did wrong. Their 747 circuits played a massive part, but your situational awareness was probably the bigger of the issues. Its okay, you now undeestand people do big wide circuits. Maybe use no.2 in your radio call as a reminder for yourself and the other aircraft. You did say they took off in front of you so they were always going to be no.1 and you no.2 no matter how big their circuits. Again thats what we do here if there are multiple aircraft in a ctaf.
And your last part is spot on, inline with my query in the beginning of this paragraph
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
@all I just ran adsb data for both aircraft. At the point of convergence horizontal separation was .5 nm and the vertical was 150-175 ft
WizKhalizta@reddit
Half a mile in the pattern is greater than expected spacing. They're insane, you're fine. File the NASA anyway, CYA.
stop_yelling_please@reddit
That’s not a near miss. If it is I have a lot of near misses.
PILOT9000@reddit
1.5 to 2 miles is nowhere near a near miss. What am I missing here about what happened?
Some CFI gave you some shit at the FOB? Who cares what he thinks. He said it should have been reported? WTF was he going to report? A slow ass Cessna was two miles from his slow ass Cessna? What a clown.
EliteEthos@reddit
A mile is a near miss now?
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
Idk what to say I mean I didn’t think it was that bad realistically closer to .5 but it doesn’t excuse the mistake.
RecheckFeePlease@reddit
FAA defines "near miss" when 2 aircraft are within 500 ft of one another. You're fine, just file a NASA report so they have the data and move on
EliteEthos@reddit
Then file the report and be more careful.
JayVerb78@reddit
Was that your CFI, or just one back at the place you rent planes from or?? I'm trying to figure out where he has any say over your PPL rights whatsoever.
If you have your PPL, and you pissed someone off from your flying, they might say something. If you've already apologized, recognized your mistake and learned from it, if they want to still be pissed that's their problem. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Id still file a NASA report, in case that joker decides to wake up the next day and file something else that disagrees with what you saw happen. It never hurts to have the record in there while it's still fresh in your mind.
Oh, and if this CFI doesn't have any actual responsibilities for your flights or your airplane, next time tell him/her thank you for your opinions, and just walk away. They're not your parents, and they aren't your boss. I wouldn't tell him to pound sand directly, but it's probably be a nice version of that if he kept it up.
SpaceIsKindOfCool@reddit
So what would have happened had you stayed in the pattern? Turning crosswind at 300 ft below TPA meets the AIM guideline. If you had turned downwind instead of departing wouldn't you have come even closer to the other aircraft? Seems like this was more caused by the other aircraft making a long upwind rather than you making a non-standard departure.
The cause was either they didn't communicate their long upwind or you missed their radio call right? This is a non-rhetorical question, I'm a student who flies at a pretty quiet airport so I've only shared the pattern with another aircraft a handful of times, so I'd like to hear what more experienced people think.
thundergun67@reddit
Im confused
if you turn crosswind from a SW runway you’re facing SE, but you tried departing eastward. This shouldnt be an issue unless you took off 10 seconds after that CFI.
Also, student pilot here, I’ve always been taught to have a 1 mile upwind leg, 1 mile crosswind, then downwind until 1 mile past the numbers. My bugsmasher cant reach pattern altitude until I’ve turned downwind. I see no reason why you need to wait until pattern altitude to turn crosswind.
If i followed your procedure of turning crosswind at pattern altitude, i would have an insane 2.5 mile upwind leg LOL
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
Rw 23, departed to the east. I departed after their crosswind call. I’m just not sure how I can fully take off reach almost pa and turn crosswind before they reach pa in the downwind. They must have been going insanely slow for me to be able to climb up to their altitude and turn in which doesn’t make sense considering we both fly 172.
thundergun67@reddit
Ah weird, whatever the case they sound really really slow, go file that nasa :)
NaturalOk9112@reddit
Yes
atthemattin@reddit
Dude, you're ok. Personally I'm more pissed at the other traffic for making this aa big deal at all
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
Well I’m concerned now I haven’t messed up before like this. From my research it seems like my alleged actions didn’t break any regulations, despite not following the aim recommendations (my fault and I won’t do it again obviously) and the computed separation from adsb data shows a horizontal separation of .47 nm and 150-175 which is close but doesn’t constitute a near miss. Idk I’m just stressing rn
atthemattin@reddit
Dude, I've literally had planes miss me by a baseballs throw. Flying is like a motorcycle. You're going to have close calls, just learn from them but also understand that something just happen
mild-blue-yonder@reddit
If this is the worst thing you see at a towered airport for the rest of your career, you’ll have lead a blessed career.
Turning crosswind 300’ below pattern altitude seems really normal. Where was this conflicting traffic coming from? Like a 5 mile upwind or something?
Anyway, file the report if you want. This seems like a ‘learn from it and don’t let it happen again’ kinda moment.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
It seems like they had an extended upwind which I didn’t hear on the ctaf, the only called crosswind.
mild-blue-yonder@reddit
Yeah cause they probably fly 3 mile patterns every time and yell at everyone who flies a normal pattern.
If you had waited for pattern altitude I guess you might’ve heard their crosswind call and turned out behind them, but who knows what the actual timing would have been. 300 feet of altitude can be as little as like 12 seconds and as much as 40 seconds depending on your climb rate, so you might’ve made the turn the recommended time/altitude and ended up being even closer to the other plane.
RandomEntity53@reddit
NASA reports are always a good idea. Worst case is someone brings action. The investigator sees your low time AND you were responsible enough to file a NASA report and you get a minor slap on the wrist. They don’t see the report; it’s meant for research and problems in the SYSTEM so honest self assessment is the intent.
mirassou3416@reddit
ASRS report—it must be filed within 10 days of the occurrence
r80rambler@reddit
10 days is a shield on enforcement, not a filing requirement
Randyc714@reddit
File it...it provides cover and gives peace of mind by giving you a chance to clearly articulate what you did, what you should have done, and what you're going to do in the future.
It's free insurance and you don't even have to spend a stamp anymore.
alexmoose454@reddit
No point of filing for this but it literally cannot harm you if you do.
Me personally, I wouldn’t file for this
VanDenBroeck@reddit
As is frequently said, when in doubt, fill it out.
But I am curious, who did the CFI think he should report it to, the FSDO? Most ASIs I know would likely laugh in his face.
And finally, if you have your PPL already, unless you are currently in a student-instructor relationship with the CFI, they have no real reason to lecture you. Friendly advice? Yes. Lecture? No. They can fuck right off.
Senior-Storm-7119@reddit
If you are asking then yes
classysax4@reddit
Yes, file a NASA report.
(I didn't read the OP, but this is always the correct answer)
Weekly-Total1491@reddit
If you’re even asking yourself this question — the answer is YES
BroomstickBiplane@reddit
It never hurts to file, but I’m not seeing any regs broken here. Learn and move on.
I don’t instruct anymore, but as someone who did instruct I would never begin to lecture someone I didn’t know, unless what they were egregiously breaking regs or put me in danger.
Long-Cauliflower587@reddit
Yes, but also know that 1-2 miles isn’t close at all for slow GA aircraft, and also you didn’t technically break any FARs to my knowledge.
__joel_t@reddit
Am aggressive fed could try to argue this was a 91.13 violation. Not saying I agree with it, not am I saying it would stick. Just that there's a better case for OP violating 91.13 than there is for prosecuting somebody for posting a photo of seashells spelling out "86 47."
Long-Cauliflower587@reddit
Yeah fair enough. Though to be honest they can technically get you on literally **anything** they want because of subjective regs like 91.111/91.13, it’s just a matter of proving it and being able to defend the decision from appeals.
Adept_Cook2719@reddit (OP)
I turned crosswind at 300 below pa, I think the issue is that you cannot depart until you are at pa and then it should be a 45 or a straight out. Nothing can really be done about the “miss” I didn’t hear a applicable call and I didn’t see them until the traffic alert
TheDrMonocle@reddit
No regs broken. Maybe an AIM recommendation was? Dude didn't report you cause there was nothing to report. FAA would have taken his call then thrown it in the trash.
You can absolutely file a report. FAA uses them to see if there are any systematic issues, might help the research and further training down the line.
Once you file the report, youre also protected from any disciplinary action. Youre also protected since you didnt actually violate a reg, but double coverage doesn't hurt.
always_gone@reddit
No, you’re good. All the pattern stuff is good to know, but they’re just best practices per one of the ACs and not actual regs. Best practice is also highly situation dependent and subject to the ADM of the PIC.
Long-Cauliflower587@reddit
There aren’t any actual regulations related to pattern departures. There’s some in the AIM and in some advisory circulars, but those are not regulatory, and more strong suggestions. If you didn’t have adsb-in then you did nothing wrong, but probably try to fly the correct entries and exits from the AIM (4-3-3). Also remember that there are vfr pilots in bush planes from the 60s with no radio, no adsb, and no shits given. They’ll cut you off at any part of the pattern, with the only actual regulation applying to them being that airplanes on final have priority. So TLDR you didn’t break any laws, 2 miles isn’t bad at all, you can be safer in the future, but remember that this ‘accident’ is absolutely not going to hurt your record
Muted-Rhubarb2143@reddit
This is a non event.
olek2012@reddit
I’ve participated in the NASA ASRS program. It’s very easy to file a report. I’ve even had them follow up with me to get more info and they’re very kind people. We’re all on the same team and we want to make this industry safer. This is just one way we can be proactive about it.
It’s very easy to write something off as not a big deal or a “one-off”. But what if thousands of pilots have that same “one-off” close call every year? Large data sets like ASRS can guide policy changes BEFORE tragedy strikes
Mynoseispurple@reddit
Sheesh you’ll be cooked if you ever go to an airport where .5-1 mile separation is standard.
You’re part 91 flying, learn to be VFR (see and avoid) and be better next time.
No FARs were broken, so a NASA report doesn’t do much. (My opinion)
usmcmech@reddit
Yes, the answer for this question is always yes.
always_gone@reddit
The litmus test is “should I file a NASA for this? Since you asked, yes.”
N205FR@reddit
You don’t need to in this case. Like others said it never hurts (unless it involves drugs or illegal activity) but given this was CTAF and no paint was scratched I personally think it’s not needed. Just to be clear though because in the beginning I also thought you can also file one every five years- this is NOT the case! You can file one every flight if you wanted to, you can only use the immunity if you get in trouble every five years but you clearly didn’t get into trouble here.
humboldtreign@reddit
If you have to ask, the answer is yes.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
What actual reg was broken that would ding your record? Maybe hurt if it was a rental. But I don't see an enforceable action.
But yes, file the asrs
Otherwise-Pen70@reddit
Like we used to say in the airlines; If in doubt send one out. It's a no penalty option
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
I’ve had my ppl for 3 months (80 hours) now and I had a flight that went wrong. I was departing the sw facing runway, and I stupidly decided to depart the area to the east from the crosswind at around 300 ft below pattern altitude as I climbed to pattern altitude.This resulted in a near miss with traffic remaining in the pattern about 1-.5 miles (gps said 2 miles). Eventually we had each other in sight and I apologized on the ctaf. I continued ,y flight and we ended up arriving at the fob at the same time. I got a very strong lecture from the cfi which summed up to review the proper departure procedures and don’t let it happen again. They said that it should have been reported but they didn’t want to put a mark on my
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