Germany unveils strategy for becoming Europe’s strongest military by 2039
Posted by Advanced-Net-8119@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 102 comments
Luckily they're on the right side of history this time.
Radiant-Fly9738@reddit
afd, an ultra nationalist party is on the rise and Germany has a plan to have the largest military by 2039. what could possibly go wrong? I hope for the best and fear the worst. I can't even imagine how Polish people are feeling, having Russia and Germany armed to the teeth.
Stubbs94@reddit
Thank God that won't be the 100 year anniversary of anything major featuring Germany.
Radiant-Fly9738@reddit
yeah, that date couldn't be any more tone deaf than it is. whoever chose that year should be fired.
Stubbs94@reddit
It's okay though, OP has said that they are on the right side of history...
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
who do you think is on the right?
SujiroKimisuge@reddit
China.
Wolfgang_Pow@reddit
The Mai-Mai
AuntOfManyUncles@reddit
That’s why they’re backing a brand new genocide in Gaza right now, it’s because they’re so progressive
SujiroKimisuge@reddit
He said right, not left.
Trollimperator@reddit
Well the real problem is, that this will break all fiscal restraint.
The "plan", if you can call economic suicide a "plan", is to finance this all with debt.
Germany was quite restraint with debt over the past 30years. The last 30years were the most rapid growth of wealth the world has ever seen. Baby boomers entered the workforce, while woman also become more of workforce factor, while cheap goods from china lowered inflation. There were growing markets in the USA, India and China, were Germany could sell thier goods and expertise.
If you want to step on the gas, the last 30years were the moment to do so. Because you could have outran the debt with GDP growth. Germany could have invested in new industries, future tech or becoming relevant at anything(like China did with rare metal mining). But Germany just didnt do any of that.
But now we are in a time of demographic decline, inflation shocks will come in, as local costs of living are still high, while the workforce got outsourced into other countries. There is no outgrowthing debt in the future. Not for Germany and also not for the USA.
The rational approach is to decrease spending and reduce debt. But this is exactly the moment where our braindead leaders suddenly listen to the "stop austerity" calls. Germanys plan, if you really want to call it that, is to invest 50% of the federal budget for the military. All with debt. That will be more devastating to the economy than fighting Russia with scraps. Its of little use to be able to fight of Russia, if you then have Russian, Saudi and Chinese Oligarchs OWN you.
We are heading for global economic collapse. The root of WW2 was a global economic collapse. And this time its looks alot worse than in 1929.
You young folks are fucked.
PEKKAmi@reddit
Well France can start pulling its own weight and contribute its fair share of military investment. Instead its politicians hide behind a rhetorical Maginot Line and just keep talking and talking and talking (e.g., Future Air Combat Air System). The rest of Europe need to step up and take care of its own neighborhood.
SteveoberlordEU@reddit
Don't need to worry to much Germany is in enought shit even if AfD is voted in they will fuck up and just piss of Germans more. You should worry how the country will escalate or get it's shit together after thou.
big_cock_lach@reddit
They may be useless and fuck up, but it doesn’t mean they’re not going to bomb anyone. I mean look at Trump for a good analogy.
SteveoberlordEU@reddit
Insert This is fine (house on fire meme) we just know the bomb is ticking BUT hopefully we are smarter then US and will stop voting idiots and traitors into office (no germany won't see former nazis in the cdu and spd)
big_cock_lach@reddit
I think people put too much emphasis on the US’ role in the West. I agree that we’ll likely end up with a multipolar world and that political instability in the US isn’t going to have a happy ending. However, while people think this multipolar world will be the US and China, I think we’ll see the West divide into 2 as well.
The EU, UK, and Canada are already getting much closer together and straying away from the US, and together they’re much stronger and wealthier than America. It’ll be interesting to see which way Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore goes though. China to us, is like Russia to Europe. They’re an existential threat to Taiwan and haven’t been shy about their ambitions there, their proxy in North Korea is also an existential threat to South Korea which they haven’t been shy about either. Japan doesn’t want to be alone against China there and fears being turned into a proxy if this happens. Singapore’s economy is largely based on us, so it’s a threat to them too, but they’ll have an easier time pivoting if they have to. Australia also doesn’t want to be alone, and China has been economically aggressive to us. New Zealand to Australia is like Scotland to England without the formal union, and they’ll likely base their decision on Australia. America has proven an unreliable ally to all of us and a bad friend, plus we also have very close ties to the rest of the West as well. However, I can see a world where we stick with America since you can always rely on them to be hard on China, which you can’t say for Europe and Canada where they aren’t a threat. So it’ll be interesting to see which way we go, and I suspect we’ll all go in the same direction together. For the Gulf States, I would’ve said the same (with Iran being the threat to them), but depending on how this war turns out, I can see them being a highly influential middle man instead. So I also expect a split between liberal Western nations and America. Together, the rest of the West is more powerful than America though, and will serve as a 3rd pole against China and America. How this multipolar world will look is another matter though, I don’t expect there to be any hot wars or cold wars between the West and America, but I do expect some tension and a lot of economic warfare. This seems to be the way things are heading now though, and there’s a lot that can change the path we go down.
The one good thing I’ll say about Trump though, is that he seemingly ended the rise in popularity for far-right parties elsewhere in the West. He didn’t kill their popularity, but they don’t seem to be gaining traction anymore.
mysqlpimp@reddit
Not sure we can say that one good thing about Trump with PHON seemingly on the rise in Au ?
big_cock_lach@reddit
It’s not really on the rise, and a large part of that is because our centre-right party (the LNP) needing to rebuild. The situation is exactly the same as what you’re seeing in Europe. The far-right parties are still getting a lot of money from billionaires, they’ve got a lot of advertising, and you see a lot of articles about how they’re becoming popular and doing well in polls. However, when it comes to actually winning votes they’re doing terribly. PHON is still winning less seats than the LNP and anyone in Australia can tell you about how terribly they’re doing right now. People are sick of the ALP, but thanks to Trump no one is voting for anything else since the only other option is Trump-aligned which people don’t want.
Same has happened with the AfD and Reform etc. They all gained a lot of popularity due to people being sick of the status quo, but they’re no longer winning anyone over since Trump and they don’t have enough as is to have any real influence. I’ll need to double check this, but I believe they also lost many of their voters since Trump as well. So not only has he stopped people from voting for the AfD, but he’s made existing voters stop voting for them.
mysqlpimp@reddit
Interesting, so PHON is just opportunistic, and the centre->far right is dwindling. Cheers for the insight.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Poland and germany are close allies, especially agaisnt russia, so this probably makes them feel better
ShootmansNC@reddit
Germany and Poland were on the same side in the partition of Czechoslovakia and we know how that went.
haggerton@reddit
Sure, and USA and Canada were close allies too.
All of this don't mean shit. When the clown on top has some toys and the will to play with it, strength is all that matters.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Well, luckily Germany is not being run by a clown like trump.
CluelessExxpat@reddit
You obviously don't know who Merz is rofl.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
I know exactly who he is, if you think he is as bad as trump then your crazy.
calmdownmyguy@reddit
It's honestly comical to even try to compare them
YourFuture2000@reddit
Lol...
Germany is being run by a clown similar to Trump.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
not as bad
Radiant-Fly9738@reddit
and the USA wasn't being run by a clown until it was and is. so by 2039 cam you be so sure about Germany? I couldn't.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Yeah thats definitely a concern especially with the AFD party rising.
Ystneskaren@reddit
Haha haha! Germany is run by genocidal nazi wannabe who have more empathy for Palestinian donkeys than he have for palestinian children who were mauled by the weapon Germany sold to Israel during a genocide.
tankTanking1337@reddit
Majority of Germans don't like Poles and most Poles don't trust Germans.
JimmyAtreides@reddit
BS
Archsinner@reddit
"Majority of Germans don't like Poles" source?
NuclearHeterodoxy@reddit
I don't know how Polish people in general feel about it but Polish political leaders have been complaining about German under-investment in defense spending for years. It predates the 2022 invasion.
https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-pm-mateusz-morawiecki-on-defense-i-wouldnt-say-germany-is-a-freeloader-but/
Mooseinadesert@reddit
Not good, i don't have faith modern Germany won't fall back into the hands of nazi like governance. The rise of parties like the AFD, unconditional support for the child holocaust in Gaza, and free speech restrictions makes this a bleak sign.
Germany got off way too easy after WW2, the world shouldn't trust them with a strong military anytime soon.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
your not gonna be happy if you hear what japan is doing right now. They got off WAY easier than germany and are also re-militarizing.
Ill_Chicken550@reddit
Yeah pretty much, all the guys who did Unit 731 got pardoned in exchange for the "research" they conducted (no shit skinning a child will kill it).
Plus Japan still denies/downplays their crimes in WW2 compared to Germany (my mom when she lived in Berlin during the 90s said the Germany does a good job on teaching about their involvement in WW2).
thebusterbluth@reddit
Got off too easy? The country was flattened, millions were relocated as Prussia was wiped from the earth, and the country was split in two with one side subjected to communism for nearly 50 years...
studio_bob@reddit
Denazification in West Germany was never completed. "Former" Nazis were instead re-integrated into the German state and, a little later, NATO.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Luckily they're on the right side of history right now, lets hope it stays that way. The AFD or some other equivalent ultra right wing party in control of this military in the future could pose to be a significant issue.
HDK1989@reddit
They're siding with the USA and Israel, basically the 21st century 3rd Reich, couldn't be more on the wrong side.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
They could be allinged with russia. And come on. I wont speak for israel but we are not nearly as bad as you are making us out to be
Stubbs94@reddit
The US and Israel have caused far, far more global harm than Russia has.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
brought alot of global good though as well. At least in our case.
Stubbs94@reddit
That's an insane take. The US has been constantly destroying entire countries since the end of ww2. Libya, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Chile, Honduras, El Salvador, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos. And that's just direct involvement. The US funded genocides in Palestine, Lebanon and Indonesia. The US shock therapy introduced to Russia after the collapse of the USSR caused untold human suffering. The sanctions and blockade of Cuba is a crime against humanity. The US is a stain upon humanity and was founded by slave owners upset about taxes.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Our navy provides free navigation of the worlds oceans for all nations, something unheard of before WW2. PEPFAR has saved an estimated 25 million lives from AIDS in africa. The Internet was developed by the US Department of Defense as ARPANET, and basically gifted to the world for free. GPS is owned and operated by the US Space Force and is provided free of charge to every person on Earth with a smartphone. We are consistently the world's largest donor of humanitarian aid.
Stubbs94@reddit
The free navigation is hilarious when your country is blockading multiple countries at the moment for not falling in line. You realise nothing you said is done out of some moral compass but with conditions that basically tie the governments of those countries to gift their resources to American capitalists. You do not get any aid if your country has, in anyway nationalised their resources. It's a way of beholding countries to American companies.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
The fact that many of these actions are for our benefit does not detract from the fact that they genuinley helped people. The fact that we are blockading a select few countries does not detract from the fact that since ww2 free ocean borne trade has largeley been because of our navy .
AuntOfManyUncles@reddit
For fucking whom? The shareholders?
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
millions of people.
CluelessExxpat@reddit
Wiped out a whooping 500k civilians in Iraq based on lies which US knew was bullshit. I'd say US beats Israel easily.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Iraq war was a mistake but at least they are a democoracy now.
AuntOfManyUncles@reddit
Just go to bed
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
?
YourFuture2000@reddit
Lol 😆
HDK1989@reddit
Since the end of WW2 no country on earth has killed more foreign civilians than the USA, and it's not even close to a competition, you're so far ahead.
Your country is evil.
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
I giggled
ScreamOfVengeance@reddit
Germany are currently deeply invested in the Gaza genocide, so are on the wrong side of history again.
evil__brain@reddit
They literally just switched which religion they hated and kept everything else the same.
bigcantonesebelly@reddit
They don't hate Gaza or Muslims, they're just beholden to guilt
YourFuture2000@reddit
They are beholden to money and power.
bigcantonesebelly@reddit
And guilt
YourFuture2000@reddit
They would not repeat history if there was any guilty.
bigcantonesebelly@reddit
You seem to think I'm defending it, I'm explaining it
YourFuture2000@reddit
No. I am not talking about you or judging your intentions, informations or knowledge.
I am just explaining it.
AuntOfManyUncles@reddit
I’m so fucking sick of this pathetic excuse.
“They’re only doing it because they feel so bad about the last genocide🥺🥺🥺”
No, they’re doing it because the millions of nazis who survived the war didn’t simply disappear, nor did their ideas.
bigcantonesebelly@reddit
So the Nazis that hated Jews survived and become Zionism strongest soldiers? Please, Germany is beholden to holocaust guilt and also to the US hegemony. It doesn't make it right but it makes it so.
aha5811@reddit
Germany is in a unique position where it still can't be against Israel for a looooong time. That sucks but it is what it is.
AuntOfManyUncles@reddit
Pathetic drivel. Germany is in a unique position where they’ve managed to con the rest of the world into thinking they’re backing a genocide on account of misplaced guilt when they’re just backing the same rampant Islamophobia that’s swept through the rest of Europe for decades.
Merz’ grandfather was a nazi mayor, but sure, this is all some misunderstanding.
aha5811@reddit
Every mayor was a nazi. Oskar Schindler was a nazi. Every older German's grandfather was a nazi. Germany doesn't back Israel because the Germans hate Muslims, they back Israel because they mustn't oppose Israel. It's raison d'état.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
From a european centric view at least
discoFalston@reddit
I’m deeply skeptical of people that are so sure of this delineation in real time. So much of history is a matter of probability and right place time and you don’t know until a decade later.
YourFuture2000@reddit
Supporting genocide, plans to turn a country into a military economy and society, blame workers for the crises and pushing for politics to rise work hours and take away workers rights while cutting taxes of the most wealthy people in the country.
Only a blind person need a decate to see it happening right now.
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
Thats a fair point, I probably made too much of a sweeping statement with that.
YourFuture2000@reddit
The actual government is already very conservative and not so far from AFD in many aspects.
pickllerickk@reddit
Lmao what? Germany is as racist as they come
Advanced-Net-8119@reddit (OP)
are they? I see way worse out of finland and the UK
KronusTempus@reddit
Germany has literally always managed to be on the wrong side of history.
2stepsfromglory@reddit
Said no one ever since 1870.
johnybgoat@reddit
We can thank trump and the 51% of good Americans who insisted that all countries should support themselves cause soft power is s term they never hesrd of before
Informal_Witness3869@reddit
Born to late to fight in a WW started by Germany
Born to early to fight in a WW started by Germany
Born just in time to fight in a WW started by Germany
imunfair@reddit
I feel like Poland is the dangerous one this time around - the rest of Europe is pretty disarmed at this point and Poland is always adding more to their arsenal. One ambitious leader and the right set of circumstances is all it takes as long as the state is sufficiently more advanced than the neighbors.
CodeComprehensive734@reddit
Russia is right there already doing this shit. You don't have to worry about Germany or Poland.
imunfair@reddit
Russia's only a danger to the EU if Putin dies and they get a more aggressive leader. Although they wouldn't have been a danger at all if we hadn't interfered in Ukraine like a bunch of Cold War addled dementia patients. Russia only reforms if they're forced to and we forced them to root out the corruption and knock the rust off their war machine. Unforced error on the part of western leaders.
calmdownmyguy@reddit
The more unopposed Russia is the more dangerous they are. They also haven't done anything to root out corruption.
Frosty-Perception-48@reddit
Remind me that Russia forgave the Germans. Can you imagine us Americans doing the same to Cuba?
Although for fascists, forgiveness is a sign of weakness...
imunfair@reddit
Both of those things are the opposite of true, it's like you haven't been paying attention at all for the past four years. I guess you don't remember the first year of the war when they were finding food rations cans that were only filled with water, and had very bad winter gear (which seems rather inexcusable for Russian soldiers).
That was all due to supply chain corruption and ineptitude in the military. We could have beat them easily if they'd come knocking, but that isn't true any more with their new combined forces strategies and revamped supply chains thanks to our interference. If Ukraine had fallen in the first year they wouldn't have changed a damn thing and would still be the same corrupt, rusty mess they were at the start of the war.
The optimal strategy was to push in the surplus soviet weapons from the EU, and then leave it alone and let Ukraine fight as long as they could until they fell and turned into another Belarus. It would have inflicted the maximum pain while not improving Russia's strategies or readiness.
calmdownmyguy@reddit
Having Russia get ground up for years and years without making any progress while Europe rearms and divests inflicts the maximum amount of pain. Russia hasn't improved their strategic readiness. If they had they would be gaining territory. Ukraine pushed them back hard after the initial surge and they've been spinning their wheels for half a decade losing men and equipment for no gains.
imunfair@reddit
Wrong, wrong, and thanks for telling everyone you don't understand the war or follow what's happening.
That might be true if Europe was in any hurry to rearm, which they haven't been for a whole four years while Zelensky screams his silly talking points that the EU is next in an attempt to squeeze more money out of them. It's all nonsense and you'd have to be very silly not to be able to see how the facts add up, rather than just believing the propaganda from the country that literally has every reason to lie and tell you you're in danger and need to help them.
calmdownmyguy@reddit
Why so fsb bots always use US flairs in this sub? You guys need to change it up once in a while.
imunfair@reddit
Why do pro-UA always resort to calling other people bots when they lose an argument?
big_cock_lach@reddit
People always call you a bot because you always like one. There’s a reason many people don’t respond to you, but instead downvote and move on. If you’re not a bot, it’s a probably worthwhile considering why most people think you are one.
imunfair@reddit
Dude I get multiple pro-UA's trying to argue with me every time I state a fact that reveals just how poorly your team is doing, I can't imagine how many I'd have trying to dogpile me if your cope was actually true.
It's clear I'm not, I've had a ton of you guys try to stalk my profile, and the lazy ones make themselves look stupid by calling me a bot without checking. They don't think I am one, they just don't know what else to say when their arguments get blown apart by someone who actually pays attention to the war and knows the facts. And of course, everyone knows that if you're familiar with inconvenient facts you're a Russian shill.
big_cock_lach@reddit
If you think that Russia isn’t aggressive to the EU and that Europe was responsible for the war in Ukraine, you don’t know your facts. Russia, under Putin, has constantly been making threats to Europe, they’ve been trying to dismantle the EU, they’ve been manipulating elections, and they’ve used major propaganda programmes to create political instability. Putin doesn’t want the international backlash of this, and he wants his bots to not make him seem like the bad guy either, so he does fake gestures to show that he’s not anti-EU. However, his actions say otherwise. There’s clear evidence he’s tried to manipulate and influence Hungarian elections. There’s clear evidence that he used Orban to commit espionage against the EU. There’s clear evidence that he used Hungary to try to break up and destabilise the EU. Russia is aggressive towards Europe, and it’s not just empty sabre rattling either.
People call you a bot, because you’re repeating pro-Russian propaganda points that their bots often spout. I agree that you don’t actually seem like one, hence why I bothered to reply, but people are sick of Russian bots and as soon as they see these talking points being mentioned, may don’t bother responding.
imunfair@reddit
It would help if you guys could read instead of inventing strawmen to fight against, for instance:
Never said that. Where'd it come from? Your head. What I said is that the west screwed up by intervening so drastically in a war we couldn't actually win, and created an actual threat where previously only the rusty remains of the USSR existed. Yay us, once again creating more problems for ourselves by sticking our nose where it doesn't belong - basically the story of the entire history of US interventions and regime change attempts.
calmdownmyguy@reddit
I haven't lost shit, moron. You admire putin, but he's still a loser and he fucked up hard by invading.
ieatkids92@reddit
You might be a moron
mgalexray@reddit
Poland is not dangerous nor more advanced. Nor they have the ambition for anything. Sure they are buying equipment but they can’t produce it locally, and that’s all that matters.
In a hypothetical war against Germany, Poland would spend their supplies in a few weeks and would not have anyone to supply them.
As they don’t have big military-industrial complex, what happens when ground to air or air to air missiles run out?
big_cock_lach@reddit
I think most people will agree that the real threat for causing WW3 is in your own backyard.
downvoting_zac@reddit
Plz do not, this is something germany has proven it can never be trusted to do. Why not unveil a strategy to have Europe’s most on time trains instead
Lancashire_Toreador@reddit
Given the course that we are currently on and don’t appear to have any way to change, can we just skip to the end and have one of these old fucks hit the red button tomorrow?
If I have to rebuild society, I don’t want to do it when I’m over 60.
Shane-8300@reddit
The first of September perhaps?