Kid wants to join the National Guard
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Who else has kiddos looking at the military? My 17yr old wants to join the army national guard. He asked me what i thought and i told him all the guys i knew came out with broken bodies and did t get to pursue what they wanted when they were in. Is it still pretty much like that?
TraditionalBasis4518@reddit
University education has failed the students, needs a massive overhaul before it’s a good choice for post high school education. Ridiculous to expect an eight-teen year old to
make a wise career decision. Military teaches humility, discipline, physical fitness-not a bad first step. Trade school does a similar job , if the kid has some interest in the discipline.
CoolFirefighter930@reddit
If he scores high enough on the test ,do air national guard. It pays more. As far as broken or being held back in any way .That has alot to fo with the unit he is in when he gets back from basic.
I k ow someone that went for 6 ,got some really cool stories to tell and did things that civilians never get to do . Now they get some advantages like USAA just for starters.
legal_bagel@reddit
I would assume air national guard is less likely to see action.
My dad was in the air force as Vietnam was ramping up, he was stationed in Japan fixing aircraft and never saw combat in any way.
He did one tour, joined JPL, and built satellites or something he wasn't allowed to talk about the rest of his career.
That being said, I would never suggest anyone join the military when we're at war.
Magerimoje@reddit
The military disability benefits are pretty damn good for those that do end up "broken" physically or mentally. My husband's VA disability check supports our family, and we own a home and have 2 vehicles that are fully paid for.
Kathubodua@reddit
Sometimes you get injured by the military and they refuse to acknowledge it, or it takes a fight (ie burn pits). Or the disability is so life changing that no one would ever trade their health for the benefits. Not saying you're wrong, just wanted people to understand that it isn't always straightforward or even possible
Legitimate_Top_1425@reddit
$5k to $6k a month does that for yall?
Let me add that without VA disability, my family would be struggling financially. It's just not enough to support a family comfortably and still do fun things.
Magerimoje@reddit
Yes.
We moved though - we had been in New England ($$$$$$) and moved to Indiana about a decade ago so we could afford to buy a home.
Legitimate_Top_1425@reddit
Cool!
epicenter69@reddit
I was active duty Air Force. Pension started at age 39, and continues for life. With the changes to retirement benefits, and the stories of manning being cut, I wouldn’t recommend active duty for my kids. Just go snoop around the various branch subs and you’ll see some of their experiences.
National Guard wouldn’t be so bad. I believe they’re pretty much limited to in-state activities.
Appropriate_Gap1987@reddit
Go Air Force or Navy! Best training
thagor5@reddit
I started in the Army with rotc. Then left after 4 years with experience and have done well ever since. A great place to get entry level experience.
brandysafinegirl@reddit
I’m an Army brat and my Dad retired from a life long career in the Army when I was 25. I loved my childhood growing up and have so much respect for soldiers and their families but I would never want my kids to go in the military. Never, ever. Not after the things I’ve seen and heard. And especially not with what’s going on in our country (and world) today. Thank goodness neither of them wanted to and that’s even after having the military in their life via their grandfather and knowing more about it than most kids. I was always careful not to express my feelings though because I didn’t want them to do it just to be defiant. I think it’s a good life for some people who either have a passion for it or don’t have any other options but for most people, it’s not a good path. I’ve just seen the negative outcomes with my own eyes one too many times. It’s also not a good path for people with certain personalities or people that are even the slightest bit “different” or have even the tiniest bit of mental health struggles.
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DSGmom1974@reddit
I have served in both Active and National Guard and my son did Active and Reserve. I would never encourage anyone to go Guard/Reserve. Being in the Guard/Reserve you have to be responsible to maintain your physical fitness standards on your own because you are only with your unit 2-3 days out of the month and that is not enough to stay in the standards. It is no longer just running, situps and push ups, the PT tests have evolved in the last decade.
You have to have a civilian job and sometimes those jobs do not like to play nice with the military drill and AT schedule. They get creative on their tactics because it is illegal to retaliate against you or fire you for your military duty. You would be amazed at how underemployed the Guard/Reserve components are in the lower ranks. If you don't have a job there is no way you can survive on just your Guard/Reserve pay, especially in todays economic craziness.
With the Guard you are competing against everyone in your state or in the zone you picked to be promoted into. This is a certain mileage you are willing to travel for drill to get a promotion - less than 50 miles, 50 miles, 100 miles, statewide. When you restrict your zone your restrict your promotion opportunities.
If you need new uniforms beyond what you received at basic, you have to request them from your Supply SGT, turn in your old ones and pray that your requested ones arrive in a timely manner and are the sizes you requested.
Training courses are not easy to come by because the Guard is funded by State government money and each unit only gets a set dollar amount for the fiscal year. They do not have an extra pool of money to send soldiers to extra trainings just because, it can be very competitive depending on the training and the unit / location / state.
With Active duty you have a job 365 24/7, you get paid every 2 weeks and depending on your situation and career (MOS) you may have extra pay entitlements. You get a yearly clothing allowance to replace/upgrade your uniforms.
Opportunities for travel and trainings are more available on Active.
There is alot more, then you if you have a family there is alot of things on post for the family.
It is a good life but it's also hard at times. You have to be willing to adapt and flow. It is a great opportunity to learn about our country and see other places beyond your front door or county.
Just don't believe everything the recruiters tell you. Do your research and if you know a military person, ask them questions if something is not sitting right with what you were told or ask them to go with you but not tell the recruiter they are military so they can call them on any bs. I did that for my son and he still talks about 10 years later! lol!
Whatever choice you make, enjoy your time in, take advantage of all the benefits you can and make the best of your time.
MarshallBoogie@reddit
Nailed it. The employment part is a real issue. Many employers want to have minimal staff and they’re not staffed to have you gone for extra time outside of vacation. Annual Training adds at minimum another 2 weeks during the summer.
Braqsus@reddit
Great answer.
CitySpare7714@reddit
I think it’s an overstatement to think everyone comes out broken but I certainly would have concerns in the current climate. With the National Guard, I would be mindful of what state you are in. If you are in Pennsylvania, for example, the chances that Shapiro would do something terrible like deploy the guard against its own citizens during the election are pretty low. Look at the actions of your governor and assess accordingly. (and then go out and volunteer for the person you want, and vote, and do what you can to ensure free and fair elections!)
GenX-ModTeam@reddit
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HRG-snake-eater@reddit
Hard no
Chicken_Fried_Snails@reddit
Our son plans on joining the Air National Guard.(18). He is aviation interested and our local guard is an air wing. He's got some college credits and our state guard pays tuition at almost every post secondary institution here, so he can afford to finish without taking on debt. He'll also receive the GI bill, with plans to use it to help juggle expenses at university while accumulating private flight hours.
He thought about active duty, but wants to stick close by, finish his degree, fly, etc. and possibly pursue the officer route later ....
We're hoping it's the right choice. All decisions come with pros and cons and we feel this is a great way for him to serve and gain additional skills/ life experience.
cstrick1980@reddit
I served just over seven years. Nothing broken. Gave me good experience and a great career.
Ear_Enthusiast@reddit
My biggest advice as ex-military. Get him to explore jobs that translate to the civilian world. I was dead set on being infantry over a job that used computers, a trade, or in the medical field, and I chose Ranger school over a big bonus. Secondly I would have your kid take a couple of personal finance classes. So when he does get bonuses and military benefits, he'll know how to use them.
TapeFlip187@reddit
I would remind him that the push to end mail-in ballots will greatly impact people serving in the military and it's indicative of a system that isn't concerned with the best interests of those serving, even while they're literally putting their lives on the line.
Wherever you fall on the political spectrum, it's a pretty terrifying precedent. If 'the powers that be' can essentially revoke the right to vote (by making it impossible to exercise it), what comes next?
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Inner_Speaker_335@reddit
Everyone's experience will be different. All I can do is offer my story. Take from it what you will.
I joined the Michigan Air Guard in the mid-90s as an Electronic Warfare specialist. (That's a benefit about joining the Guard. Everyone will ask what you want to do. Active Duty might consider it, but you go where they need you. Guard personnel fill a billet--you will know exactly what your job is and what training you'll get.) Basic training and my first tech school were rough, but manageable. It was some of the best electronic training I've had in my life.
I spent a year and a half with the MIANG, then transferred to Kansas because of family events. Joined another unit, ended up going to another school, and came out with flying colors.
Overall my experience in the Guard was great. It has its ups and downs, like working for any organization, but it does well in the end.
My deployments garnered me Veteran status, and I recently started my journey in the VA system. I've had few issues so far.
Good luck!
Kilted-Brewer@reddit
Using a VSO? If not, might be helpful.
Also, I don’t know what it’s called in your state, but check out your local CareerCenter or American Job Center. They have lots of resources. Shoot me a message if you need help navigating/finding resources.
CobblerMoney9605@reddit
My niece (21) wants to join the army.
I've said everything I can think of to discourage her.
I think there's no changing her mind. Her parents live in a rural area with no job opportunities. She sees no path forward for herself.
Existing-Potato-8987@reddit
Air force or Space force if she qualifies for them.
I just finished 20 years in the AF and while I'm damaged (covid + injuries) I'm so much less damaged than my brother who is in the Army. I listen to my brothers experiences and the amount of stupid stuff he had to deal with in the army that I didn't have to deal with in the Air Force is amazing. I got to schedule my vacations when I wanted to go and he had to deal with having only certain times available for vacations due to deployment and training schedules.
He also had a drug deal go wrong happen outside his window on base that he was a witness too, plus lost like a third of his company during Afghanistan, so major PTSD along with a destroyed body.
The morale in the military is really bad right now and the people I know are getting out as soon as possible.
BoneDaddy1973@reddit
AIR FORCE. I was in the Army, it did me a hell of a lot of good, I was very lucky in that I did nothing more dangerous than PT on icy roads. Got lots of college money. I Was Very Lucky. Many of my friends were not. Talk to her about joining the Air Force. It’s important for our National defense and it has a super low injury/PTSD rate. Better QOL, more relevant training (I can adjust artillery fire pretty well, are you hiring?!) all around a better job if you can get it. Join the Air Force.
alegna12@reddit
Then Make sure she studies for her ASVAB so she has the most options about a path. She should also talk to recruiters (and people who’ve served) in the different services. If she’s going to do it, ensure she makes the best choice for herself.
Quix66@reddit
Just to let you know the US National Guard can indeed be sent overseas to fight for US military. As a matter of fact a long time ago, my uncle he was in the army reserved at the time got activated and sent to the Gulf war for two years instead of the Army sending active duty troops.
So yes, I did double check and yes, looks like he could be sent overseas some place even though he’s in the National Guard..
Prestigious-Curve-64@reddit
My sister spent 18 months in Iraq - National Guard. Active duty stayed stateside.
Amazing_Factor2974@reddit
Iraq and Afghanistan had over 40 percent reserves and National Guard.
tandem_kayak@reddit
I was gonna say, this is how one of my college buddies spent a year in Desert Storm.
michelle427@reddit
I worked at an assisted living center in the early 2000’s. There was a gentleman who was a resident. He had served in the Navy. He said the Navy was what he’d suggest to anyone who wants to join the military. You have a bed to sleep in every night and hot meals everyday. I never forgot him saying this. The Navy might be a better choice than National Guard. He’d get skills that he could use when he gets out.
michelle427@reddit
I think the National Guard is an excellent idea for your son. It’s a bit different than active military. I actually think all 18-21 year olds regardless of gender should have to do some service. Either in the military or something else. Also I think almost everyone can do something. Like if you can’t physically be in the military, you can do something else. I say this as a physically disabled person, who has been disabled their whole life. I can do something. Not in the military, I couldn’t do that, but I’m sure I could do something.
Senior-Cantaloupe-69@reddit
The Guard is a good deal. Most states give free in state tuition for the Guard. Plus, you can get good training. Like everything, it’s what you make of it. But, the military is about as close to a meritocracy as you get. If you put in effort, you get rewarded.
yorkiemom68@reddit
My son did 6 years USAF. Got out in 2022 and used his GI bill. I was not thrilled at first but he chose Air Force. He had no direction, was disinterested in college and it helped him focus. Granted there was no real active conflict. I would encourage Air Force or Coast Guard.
Salty-Gas-1172@reddit
I would avoid coat guard but air force it I guess space force is a thing these days. I don't know about that.
ChesswithGoats@reddit
Consider the Foreign Legion. He’ll learn a language, serve his time, earn an EU passport, and receive a lifetime pension. That better than what the U.S. military offers. (USMC veteran).
MarshallBoogie@reddit
I retired from the Army National Guard. There are jobs that don't result in broken bodies. Try Air Guard first. Stay away from the reserves.
Tell him not to sign anything until he gets the job he wants. If he wants to do a technical job, his drill weekends are going to be spent doing "Army" things rather than sitting in front of a computer or on a flight line.
This is a big commitment and he will be pulled away from his civilian life at their leisure. The benefits are good though and there are opportunities for full time work. It didn't always like it, but it was the best decision I ever made.
Feel free to dm with any questions or we can discuss here.
ShesAVibeKiller@reddit
This is the way. NG was great for my male family members and allowed them to graduate debt free from college. It teaches life skills and builds your resume. It builds self confidence and self discipline.
BUT hold out for the job you actually want. They need you more than you need them so walk away if they don’t offer it. You’ll be surprised at what jobs “suddenly open” when you tell them no.
EmperorMeow-Meow@reddit
Suggest something like the Air National Guard, or joining the Navy or Air Force. Get a technical career out of it.
lord_scuttlebutt@reddit
It's a little different these days but maybe urge him to the Coast Guard? They do fantastic work.
akpak@reddit
Second this suggestion. Only arm of the “military” not generally sent to combat, and is the one actually protecting the country.
MaximumJones@reddit
Did you really just make the claim that the Navy and Air Force do not actually protect the country? 😳
mfigroid@reddit
I think they meant the Coast Guard is usually not forward deployed.
Intelligent-Bridge15@reddit
Wait until they find out about the coast guard ships in Guam and Bahrain…
lord_scuttlebutt@reddit
I did not. My father and grandfather served in the USMC at wartime. My grandfather fought on Iwo Jima and my father in the jungles of Vietnam. My other grandfather actually survived the war as a tail gunner on B-17s. I have the utmost respect for all the branches of the military. Still, the OP was concerned for their child, and the Coast Guard is a bit less likely to get shot at than the other services (for the most part) AND their entire job is to save lives and protect the coasts.
TheRealFinatic13@reddit
serving 4 years in the Army, gaining that world of experience, then getting big (College Fund/VA Home) and small (VetTix, meal discounts) was one of the very best decisions I ever made.
eff these whiners saying not to...
Critical-Test-4446@reddit
Joined the Army in 73 when I turned 18. My path in life at that point seemed to be going nowhere so I decided I wanted to serve my country and learn a skill at the same time. I was interested in a career in law enforcement and got an enlistment guarantee for Military Police School and after graduating at Fort Gordon, Georgia, I was assigned to Germany and served 2 1/2 years there. I gained some experience and about 6 months before my tour was up, I applied, by mail, to two large police agencies. When I got out, I went through the employment process for my preferred agency and passed each test. The oral interview was interesting. Having recently got out of the military, I did not own a suit, and I walk in to this large facility and I'm the only one not wearing a suit. I wore a nice dress shirt and dress pants, but I'm pretty sure I just screwed up any chance I had. When it was my turn, there were four interviewers in the room. The first question I was asked is why wasn't I wearing a suit. I explained that I had gotten out of the service a few months before and didn't own one. That lead to questions about my MOS (military occupational specialty) and I found out that all four interviewers were also veterans. The mood in the room changed for the better. They told war stories and asked about my law enforcement experiences while serving in Germany. In spite of not wearing a suit, I got hired and worked that job for close to 30 years and am retired now. The military definitely changed my life trajectory for the better.
Such-Kaleidoscope147@reddit
My dad served in Germany in the 60’s. Thank you for telling your story!!!
Scarecrow426@reddit
I did 12 years in the USAF. Tell him to get a job that transfers to civilian work (mechanic, HVAC, carpenter, plumber, electrician, fire fighter, etc.) Also, take the GI Bill offer.
eternallycynical@reddit
Yes, my cousin signed up when he realized he was was 18 and was going to be a pothead if he didn't.
Came out great, new image, GI bill, aircraft mechanic, has done well.
Lucky timing between the two gulf wars and didn't have to fight.
swentech@reddit
When I was 18 I wanted to join the Navy. Mom was NOT happy about that and basically forbid me from doing it. I ended up okay but on the other hand I see the husband of my cousin who went into the Air Force for 25 years as an MP and is now fishing every day lol. Ah well sliding doors.
SuchDogeHodler@reddit
The World is a different place now then it was 30 years ago...
If I had it to do all over again right now 100% I would have gone into the military. I have seen so many lifetime benefits that do not qualify for that I wish I did...
MediocreTalk7@reddit
It would never occur to me to chime in with zero military experience. Sometimes your opinion is just not relevant.
WildTomato51@reddit
Air Force.
This comes from a two time Marine.
BoneDaddy1973@reddit
Three year soldier here, and I second that motion.
Hefty_Club4498@reddit
My army dad always said hands down Air Force as well.
Different_Victory_89@reddit
13 year army vet, brother was in air force. Definitely go Air Force!
Critical-Test-4446@reddit
I was an Army MP stationed in Germany. Our mess hall served the food on metal prison trays. We would occasionally be on town patrol and sometimes work a patrol near Rhein Main Air Base. We'd stop there to eat in the mess hall and you notice how much of a difference there is between the branches. They had carpets on the floors, used real plates, and you could go back for seconds if you wanted. The food was also way better than the slop we got.
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
I wanted to join the Marines so badly as a teenager. When it was time to sign up I asked every Marine that I met how they like the Marines. The only answer that I ever got is "well, I'm a Marine!". So I joined the Army. LOL. I trained with a lot of Marines in the Army and man, you guys had it needlessly tough.
SJ9172@reddit
My daughter wants to join also and I’ve told her to join the Air Force.
Semper.
thisthingwecalllife@reddit
Three of my nephews, literally one son of each of my three siblings, all joined the military. Two joined the Marines and one the Army. One of my nephews is a really intelligent kid, had scholarships to multiple schools but got into his head about choosing one so, he chose the Marines instead. My brother kind of agonized over his decision but, my nephew got a chance to grow up and figure out his own path. He only did four years and immediately focused on his schooling. The other Marine initially wanted to stay in for a while, make it a career but got a bit disillusioned after halfway through and didn't re-up after his four years ended. The Army nephew went into the reserves, he's a quiet kid and doesn't like confrontation so he just keeps his head down and does his duty when required.
AZPeakBagger@reddit
Mine went in after college and became an officer. So far the worst thing he’s had was a banged up knee and a painful dental procedure to remove his wisdom teeth.
dotofoz01@reddit
USMC? My bff's son got wisdoms removed in basic per mandatory regs. Ouch.
AZPeakBagger@reddit
Navy
More_Pineapple3585@reddit
My father served, and the one thing my mom said over and over again was that if I wanted to, I needed to get my degree and go in as an officer.
HenryLoggins@reddit
This 🙌
sotiredwontquit@reddit
My kid is active duty. Already has permanent hearing damage. Separating with a percent disability is a guarantee at this point and it’s only been 8 years.
If your kid is serious, for heavens sake, convince him to go officer and at least make some money for the damage he’s about to do to his body.
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
At least he's going to get some compensation. My hearing got fucked in the Army and I've never been able to get any traction getting any sort of compensation or even help with it.
Critical-Test-4446@reddit
My dad was in an artillery unit in Germany back in the early 50's, which caused most of his hearing loss. He worked at US Steel for his career after he got out and I'm sure that didn't help his hearing either. The VA paid for his hearing tests and got him a nice pair of hearing aids at no cost to him. He passed about 5 months later and the hearing aids were probably only used 10 times during those 5 months. When we were going through his things I found the hearing aids, called the VA audiologist and asked if they could reissue them to another veteran, seeing that they were barely used. She was very helpful and appreciative and said yes, they could be reissued. I was glad that they would be helping someone else.
sotiredwontquit@reddit
Are you separated yet? If so, try your local VA hospital. They’re taking great care of my dad. If you’re still in, you might not be making a big enough stink. I wish that weren’t the case. But we had to be borderline insubordinate to get decent care, when care needs outstripped med staff. My kid has got some med regs memorized at this point to get the care he’s entitled to.
SgtSausage@reddit
I did 2 years Army + 8 years National Guard. Hard core Combat Arms: . Infantry (11B) and then Mortars (11C)
No broken body here. At all. I'm 2 years from 60. Still runnin' 4 Marathons a year, Climbing thousand-footer BigWalls for fun on weekends, and jumping outa perfectly flight-worthy airframe at 11,000 feet.
I did everything I wanted while in - obtained 2 college degrees. Traveled the world to exotic Climbing Locations with The Wife. Met and married her while in service. Started multiple successful businesses. Sold out. Retired early (before 40). Bought a Homestead on 9 acres that I'm currently working in retirement ...
These things are about The Person, not The Military.
If he's a go-getter - he'll do the things in life he wants/needs to do.
If he's a shitbag slug, he'll make excuses like everybody else and blame everything but himself.
That shit is independent of / orthogonal to any Military Service he chooses to do.
Coffee_24-7@reddit
Bro this is so true. Life is what you make it.
Brilliant-Lecture320@reddit
Coast Guard or Air Force are the only options. I did 20 years Air Force. I feel any other branch would have destroyed me.
Technical_Ad3526@reddit
I may be the odd one out in posting but if I could go back, I would have never signed. My body is broken, I was SAd twice (and nothing was done because he was a "good soldier"), and my head is messed up from a TBI. I was not in combat arms and was told everything would be fine. My husband was also in he was in combat arms. Even with his disability he said he'd never do it again. The only good thing we got out of it was our bachelor degrees, but was it really worth it? Ehh.
Iam-WinstonSmith@reddit
My brother and I were both in the national guard. We both got some decent benefits out of it such as college tuition waiver. However there are some things in the past 6 years that have violated case law so my son won't be joining.
*I discussed no politics.
MaximumJones@reddit
Yeah you did
GenX-ModTeam@reddit
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Automatic-Evidence26@reddit
I served 84-88, spent a year in Korea. Came out just fine, a great start to life.
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Upstairs-Hope4392@reddit
Go USAF. Army as a secondary. I served in Desert Storm, my oldest son served in the Coast Guard, and my youngest son will be commissioned in the USAF.
Inner-Measurement441@reddit
Serving matters. I drove me. Let them do what drives them.
Avcrazykidmom79@reddit
I would try for Air Force or Navy (better post-military career prospects). My son also wants to join (he’s 12), but the areas he’s interested in are off limits because he is color blind. I would be a proud mama if he served his country. I would be worried, but proud.
TheFoxsWeddingTarot@reddit
I wanted to be a jet pilot after seeing Top Gun, the recruiter who visited our school laughed and said “not with those eyes”… probably saved my life.
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
Not with those any issues whatsoever. You have to be 100% physically perfect to be a pilot in the military. You also have to be pretty smart, test well, and graduate college.
TheFoxsWeddingTarot@reddit
And not have lazy eye.
aint_no_disco_@reddit
The Coast Guard is amazing.
FakenFrugenFrokkels@reddit
I served later in life - it was the best thing I could have done.
Unkindly-bread@reddit
‘72 born. 4 years active Navy, 5 reserves navy and one Air National Guard.
My 25.5 year old son got out of the Marines after a 5 year enlistment this past September.
The GI bill paid about 2/3 of my engineering degree.
The post 9/11 GI bill will pay 100% of my son’s tuition while also paying for his living expenses.
The benefits for paying for college are stellar, and the life lessons along the way are amazing as well.
ScreaminEagle2502@reddit
I served a total of 23 years in Army and 12 of those were with the Army National Guard. From an educational benefits perspective, it's more advantageous to be in the Army National Guard than the Army Reserves because you're eligible for State tuition assistance. You can use that in conjuction with the GI Bill. I got two degrees out of it and have a six-figure career that I'll be retiring from (God willing) in about 4 years.
Now, the bad part: My body is broken. The years spent in the Infantry and then Field Artillery took a toll on me but what eventually did me in were the tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. I pushed through it for many years afterwards, but it caught up with me. I retired before the Army forced me into retirement.
Ok_Macaroon_8494@reddit
Tuition assistance! Yes! That.
Ok_Macaroon_8494@reddit
29 years, Retired. Mix Army Guard/Reserve/Active Duty. Not broken at 56 yrs old.
Guard is the best gig. I found that being Guard gave me flexibility and some job/benefit security if I lost a civilian job. For example, my company lost a contract so I volunteered to serve (as a Guardsman) on orders and even got to go to Europe. So I never missed a paycheck. If he picks a tech field, like Signal, he can get all kinds of certifications as well.
SpookyBeck@reddit
I am late gen x (dec 78) and my 3rd born will be going to boot camp in about a month. Marines. I am proud but terrified.
Aggressive_Power_471@reddit
My coworker in Iowa has a son enlisted in the Army national guard. I think the college benefits were a motivator. he just finished basic last week. So not broken yet, still looking to play football at Iowa but we will see how it goes.
MarshallBoogie@reddit
That's going to be tough when his unit will drill at least 1 weekend a month.
warrenao@reddit
National Guard != regular military. While it will have a lot of Army-like features, it’s for domestic service only. This is a lot smarter than joining any other branch except the Coast Guard.
MarshallBoogie@reddit
This is completely wrong. It is exactly the same as active duty except you don't have a full time job. It's also a much larger clusterfuck
Tasty_Author4090@reddit
The guard deploys dude
beyondplutola@reddit
National Guard is not only domestic service. It becomes part of the regular Army/Air Force when needed for war. And your initial training is with the regular Army.
warrenao@reddit
Ah, I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for the correction.
Temporary_Row_2072@reddit
Even with a broken body… best decision I ever made!!!
DirkDaring93@reddit
I was Air Force. We called the army guys bullet catchers. Do your kid a favor a make him go see a air national guard recruiter. He will thank you later.
Round-Public435@reddit
My son entered the army national guard reserves. He knew from the time he was about 12 or 13 that he wanted to be in the military, and pursued that goal - he never even thought of any other career goal.
Unfortunately, his experience was far from what he thought it would be. He was fully prepared for the tough physical training, the harsh treatment from the instructors, the time away from family and friends, etc - what he was not prepared for was being bullied and tormented by his fellow recruits. You know how there's always one or two kids in a school group that seem to get targeted by bullies? My son was *not* that in school - but in basic training and AIT, he definitely was. It made for a terrible experience for him (and the others that were being picked on) - and to this day, he regrets ever joining. He made 2 or 3 good friends while he was in, but other than that, he would never recommend it to anyone.
He did his required time in the reserves and got out.
WinnerAwkward480@reddit
Myself having been in The Army , what I saw was the guys that in some way F'ed things up were the one that received additional attention from their fellow troops . Especially if it was in a training environment . That Troop failure to follow procedures or adapt ,usually made it harder on every one else .
As and example we had a 4-man room , and there was one guy no matter how hard the rest of us attempted to help him get ready for a room inspection. His area was never acceptable. We even set up his wall locker & foot locked the nite before, helped make his bunk the next morning. He would do stuff like after his morning shower just throw his hygiene items randomly in his locker , or get tired of standing by his bunk and sit on it , which would of course mess it up . All this lead to us failing the room inspection and the 4 of us got assigned to Extra Guard Duty . While the passing rooms , would get a pass into town , or taken off duty roster for a week . As long as everyone pulled their weight there really no problem.
Round-Public435@reddit
So duct-taping a guy to his bunk because they didn't like him - that was teaching personal accountability and teamwork?
5 guys each taking a 1-hour shift all night for 3 nights straight keeping him awake before their PT test (so that he would fail) - that was teaching personal accountability and teamwork?
Got it.
WinnerAwkward480@reddit
If that's what really happened, highly unlikely as there's always a DI wondering around even during middle of nite . Clearly your boy did or didnt do something he was supposed to !!! .
Kilted-Brewer@reddit
I did 8 years Army Reserve.
My body -is- broken, but I can’t blame it all on big green. I’ve lived through a lot of fun adventures. And rucking is still my favorite form of exercise.
My job in the Army (just a clerk, nothing fancy), and the friends I made helped me land a great career in civilian life. And I still have many of those friends as well.
My two big regrets are: 1. Wish I’d gone active for a bit 2. Wish I had done 20 years
I’ve got twin sons. One is thinking Air or Space force, wants to go cybersecurity. Is thinking he’ll get training, certs, a degree, and a clearance so he can start in the civilian world making at least 6 figures.
The other is thinking Army or Marines, infantry to start, wants to jump out of planes, do all the hooah things. And then wants to be a firefighter/paramedic afterwards.
In my anecdotal experience, the military is similar to everything else in that you get out what you put in. Have a plan, read and understand your contract, take advantage of benefits and services, and go to medical when you get injured (and keep copies!), and it can be a great experience.
But if you make dumb choices like financing the Doge Charger at 27% and then marrying ‘Jasmine’… life is going to be hard.
Short Version- one of the best things I’ve done, helped me in a variety of ways, and I support my kids joining.
CaseyLouLou2@reddit
My son joined during his first year of college as a Medic and so far it’s been a good experience for him. It helped pay for college. We were really nervous about it at first but we ended up feeling like it was the right thing for him. It’s been 8 years now.
My only concern would be making sure he gets into a job category that he likes. Mechanic or truck driver is fine for some people but we were much happier when he was offered to join as a Medic.
Ratatoskr_The_Wise@reddit
My husband just had an ex medic as his nurse and the guy was just outstanding. We cannot see enough good things about Nurse Mike and his armful of Ranger tattoos!
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Ratatoskr_The_Wise@reddit
How about a compromise and joins the Coast Guard?
Miserable-Height-201@reddit
My son went through college, graduated, and then joined the Navy through OCS. The thought of being broken is there, 100%. But right now he is persuing his passion and loving it. He’s making great money for a young guy.
PeacePufferPipe@reddit
I was in the guard for a 6 and then a 2 after a year break. Infantry. Went overseas. Had a blast. Rode choppers from mission to mission. I've always stayed in shape and lifted etc. I do have lower back issues that lifting absolutely helps if done regularly which I have all my life pretty much. I'm sure all those heavy rucks with crappy ergonomics are the cause. Undocumented though.
Dangerous-Art-Me@reddit
I joined in 92 and don’t regret it.
When my kid brought it up, I suggested the Air Force.
VeryLowIQIndividual@reddit
Mine joined the Navy recently because he tried several jobs and college and he just wasn’t getting what he wanted. He wanted to travel the world and learn a useful job skill.
He’s on the older side and sat his politics aside and joined up. We finally got to talk to him. He said it sucks and he hates it, but he understands exactly what they’re trying to do and where they’re going and he said he’s gonna make it.
So for the first time in his life, he seems to have a direction and he wants to go and I’m happy for him.
The_Man_in_Black_19@reddit
That's good he's found a path he likes.
QuantumAttic@reddit
Did you show them those bootcamp videos on YouTube?
CosmicSmoker@reddit
Coast Gaurd or Air Force. I was Navy for 8 years, my father and three siblings were also military in different branches. If I had it to do over again in this day and age, I'd probably go USAF.
notevenapro@reddit
My son joined and in a quality MOS because he scored high on his ASVAB. He spent 7 years in as a meteorologist, got out, bought a home and got a BS. Currently working on a masters. Education paid for by uncle sam. Full ride PENN state.
Get your kid an ASVAB study guide..... it is not your typical test.
sample questions
https://www.officialasvab.com/applicants/sample-questions/
SheriffBartholomew@reddit
Great advice! Believe it or not, the GED study guide also works well. A friend had one laying around when I was getting ready to enlist so I studied it. I tested in the 88th percentile, which was enough to choose any MOS.
notevenapro@reddit
There are two parts to the ASVAB. When you scored an 88 you passed the threshold for most jobs in the military. The true test scores are the ST numbers.
stabbingrabbit@reddit
It also depends on what jobs are at the Armoury close to you, or if he has to drive for his weekends.
Cissycat12@reddit
GET EVERYTHING PROMISED BY THE RECRUITER WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACT. My spouse knew some that did not and they ended up not in the job promised. As for deployment, my Guard spouse had two and got out a decade ago. His entire group was Guard, as Guard are used to backfill bases during war time. He also spent two weeks filling in on the front line and that time was originally slated as convoy security, then changed. Guard is def deployed into active war zones, FYI.
Ok-Yak3147@reddit
My brother retired from the guard in one piece. If your kid wants to go, let him go. Its his life.
dotofoz01@reddit
the retirement benefits are worth it alone!
Worth-Pear6484@reddit
I've heard that health insurance is really inexpensive too!
dotofoz01@reddit
If I had to do it over, knowing what I do now, I would in a heartbeat! Yep retire after 20, get ft job, 2 checks and healthcare for life.
gojo96@reddit
Make sure they look into active guard jobs. You can be working full time and get most of the same benefits (BAH) without having to move. My wife dod that for 8 yrs and spent another 5 on orders (title 10 maybe?). Retired at 42, slid into a fed job and gets her military retirement at 58.
dotofoz01@reddit
I worked for mil retired pay, THAT is the way to go! I missed my chance.
whistlepig4life@reddit
My wife and I both served. None of our kids have the temperament for the military.
HenryLoggins@reddit
Thank you and your family for your service.
NavierIsStoked@reddit
>Thank you and your family for your service.
Never understood that sentiment for anyone who wasn’t drafted.
whistlepig4life@reddit
So let me get this straight. We chose to serve and have partial careers in the military and therefore DONT deserve any gratitude for it?
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
HenryLoggins@reddit
Any reason I give won’t change your mind.
NavierIsStoked@reddit
I’m genuinely curious, do you thank Firefighters? Police? Teachers?
I’m just saying that there are more people in this country that should be thanked than just those in the military.
HenryLoggins@reddit
Definitely not going down this rabbit hole with you…. I thank the people who I am thankful for. And you can thank the people who whom it is that you are thankful for. At the end of the day that’s what makes the world go round.
Apprehensive-Ad5318@reddit
Yeah because you were 100% ready? I feel sorry for your kids if you really give them this amount of faith. Wow, and what does that say about YOU as a parent?
HenryLoggins@reddit
This has to be the most asshole post of the day. Congratulations you have won the starfish award.
kznfkznf@reddit
Is it possible that they know their kids better than an internet stranger?
TubaDog9705@reddit
Another benefit on the career front is that you get preference points for some federal government jobs. Sometimes to the point that you can beat out far more qualified candidates who didn't serve.
gojo96@reddit
Vet status has different layers. My wife spent 20 years in the Army Guard with one deployment and isn’t eligible for a bulk of the vet preference stuff.
Pretend-Excuse-8368@reddit
Consider becoming a paid firefighter instead.
ChurlishPickle@reddit
If you are young and available to work overtime, firefighting is one of the few ways left that you can retire young or at a decent age.
NightGod@reddit
Absolutely brutal on the body, though, they earn that early retirement
ChurlishPickle@reddit
Oh, I'm aware. 🤣
Wild_Locksmith_326@reddit
I retired 1 year ago, with a combined total service of almost 42 years. I used the insurance almost the whole time I was in either reserves or the Air Guard. I am now getting a 40% prlemsion of E-8 pay, started at the age of 60. My youngest son has completed 11 years on a tive duty as a Marine, and made Warrant Officer last year. I have 10 years of active duty between the Navy and Army, and then spent 31 years on reserves or guard time. I have not suffered excessively, but understand that you will get exact what you put into a career. If you do one weekend a month, and 2 weeks and you will end up with very few points at retirement, seek out chances to earn more points, and they add up quickly. I wish you child the best of luck regardless of whether they enlist or not.
killslikeaninja@reddit
It’s a good way for him to get college paid for and have health insurance.
Ischarde@reddit
My daughter's BF goes to Basic this fall, for the Nat'l Guard of his state. He's quite a bit older than most of the children mentioned here. Even had to get a waiver. He just decided he needed a career that would give him retirement benefits later. And his Army school he will be attending first in some past experience.
I'd advise yes. The military is a broadening experience.
1Steelghost1@reddit
Unless he had an actual career path already lined up National Guard does nothing, even Army is just a bullet point.
I joined to get my IT certs and training and had a fed tech(DOD consultant) Cyber job they handed me.
If he is going to find aomething while there, that is not what it does.
Also remember 'one weekend a month' means if he does have a normal job he works 14 days straight every other week.
Mindless-Baker-7757@reddit
Friend of mine’s kid went Air Force and is learning aircraft maintenance. Really good prospects for him. NG? It seems like a limited engagement and then you get called up.
Good_Nyborg@reddit
National Guard is usually really good. The problem is when we have a government who sends them around to do dirty work, whether abroad or at home.
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Kestrel_Iolani@reddit
I joined the Navy in 91 and had a decent enough time and got a lot of good out of it. Up until a few years ago, I would recommend the same to anyone looking for a chance and a change. I can no longer recommend that course of action.
PunkZillah@reddit
I came here to say the exact same thing. If there is another option; do that first.
My time in service carried a heavy price tag. I used it to launch myself out of a bad situation but I’m paying for it now.
Wonderful-Carpet3518@reddit
My daughter asked me the same thing at 17. It was not the choice I would have chosen for her, but after some discussion, I came around to decide to support her, even if it's not what I wanted. She's almost 30, reupped her commitment, and it's been good for her in regards to her career, financials, etc.
mldyfox@reddit
I think the military is a great way to get some job skills and discipline. It also helps hone problem solving skills. The tuition benefits in the GI Bill are pretty good too.
If my kid had been inclined, I would have supported him. Both his dad and I were in the military and one of his step brothers is in currently. My son's dad and I were both medics, and my son's step brother is an accountant.
I'd recommend he choose an occupational speciality that can easily translate to a civilian job after his service is concluded, whether that be in 5 years or 20 plus from now. Something like mechanic, ya know?
Is something like that a guarantee he won't see combat? Probably not, but jobs like mechanic or office clerk or supply clerk, or dietitian/cook are probably less likely to see combat than some others.
It would probably be a good idea to attend meetings with the local recruiter with your son, OP. You're probably more skilled at reading people, and can probably spot a flat out lie. Some recruiters will lie through their teeth to get folks to sign up. I was lucky in mine; he was pretty honest about what to expect.
MaximumJones@reddit
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If you cannot discuss this topic without politics then scroll on by and don't discuss it.
lastofthefinest@reddit
Who’s discussing politics? This is national news about implementing the draft https://responsiblestatecraft.org/draft-selective-service/
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Ok_Yellow1536@reddit
NG is the way to go.
Jolly-Guard3741@reddit
National Guard is only superior in that after you complete your basic training and AIT you get to return to your home state and general community and get to start your life and career.
If we have another war-type deployment like Iraq and Afghanistan being NG is no shelter.
That said, as ex Navy, I have loads of friends and associates who went into full Federal service and did their time just fine and had no real lasting after effects.
lastofthefinest@reddit
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lastofthefinest@reddit
I served in the Marine Corps, Army, and National Guard. If he wants to be part-time soldier the National Guard is the way to go. If he wants to go active duty the Air Force is the way to go. The Marines paid for most of my college except for my last year. So, I went into the National Guard for the tuition assistance to pay for my last year of college. During this time, 911 happened and my guard unit got activated to the regular Army for Operation Enduring Freedom. One minute I was a senior in college with a kid on the way, the next minute I’m sitting overseas listening to my son be born over the phone. It took me 6 years of serving in the National Guard because of endless deployments to finish my last year of college. I was also Stop Lossed while I was overseas. Stop Loss is when your military contract is up while you are overseas, but you can’t come home until your unit comes back.
Just know the kind of demanding life he will be getting into with this decision. The active military is using a lot of reserves and guard units overseas at the moment because recruitment is low regardless of what they are saying. They are contemplating bringing back the military draft because of the shortages. I am thankful that the military paid for my college degree even though it took me 13 years to complete a 4 year degree. I had both the Montgomery GI Bill and the Post 911 GI Bill. I taught ESL (English as a Second Language) to the Chinese online for 6 years until my hands got so bad I couldn’t teach and type at the same time along with numerous surgeries due to my military service. I retired 4 years ago at 48 and am now a 💯% disabled veteran. He needs to seriously think about what he wants to do in the military. I served for 10 years total, 6 active and 4 part-time. I loved serving, but it definitely took its toll on my mind and body. I wouldn’t wish what I went through fighting the VA for 5 years for disability compensation on nobody. It was pure hell and worst than serving. I had 3 MOS’s when I was in I was a military policeman, shooting coach, and food service. Choose your future wisely!
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Bucks2174@reddit
My son is going into his 9th year in the AF. Started out as a linguist and then retrained into some aspect of cyber security. Married with two kids and doing great. It was the best decision he could have made for him and his now wife. I’m super proud of him.
Illustrious-Egg-5839@reddit
I would support my kid if he decided to go. I’d worry like hell when he wasn’t around, but I’d support him. It’s his life, and his decision.
eventhorizon3140@reddit
National guard is sort of the military. He'll get some good training (if he qualifies for, and picks the right MOS) and still be able to go to college or get a job. National Guard is part time. Of he want to go yo college, I'd say do that and go into ROTC. That way he won't be "in the military" until he finishes college in 4 years. By then we should have competent people in charge. I'm an Afghanistan veteran. I did 4 years active duty. I would not let my kids join right now. The reasons are because the abject incompetence in the senior leadership. Its absolutely NOT political, but the correlation is ckear and unmistakable.
Hegseth is purging everyone with any competence because these same leaders don't fall in line with the BS. He's only interested in loyalty and that is a VERY bad thing in the highest levels of military leadership. Again, this is not a political critique. Any admin that wants to debate that point with me is welcome to.
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xscott71x@reddit
Your son needs to ask people who have actually served
alegna12@reddit
Wow. People downvoted this? I’d say the same for any huge life decision…
alegna12@reddit
I have two kids in the Army Guard and one in the Army. A few years ago I married someone who was still in the military.
If I had to do it over again, I might’ve joined after I got my degree (and thus enter as an officer). There are so many financial benefits.
Easy-Environment-989@reddit
Tell your son to look into the Air National Guard, much better benefits. I served in the Army National Guard and the Army. Wish I had went Air .
ridingwithgsdtx@reddit
My 17 year old is going to join the Air Force next summer. He not ready maturity or academic wise for college right now. He is going go in for firefightering but as I told him if you don't like it when you're done with your service you will have school paid for. As for broken bodies nothing worse than him playing hockey 6 days a week for the last decade basically. I would say less than have of his friends/teammates are going be doing a "traditional" college experience.
NightGod@reddit
My niece's husband is a firefighter in the AF. Doing a hell of a lot better there than most of us expect he would be able to do anywhere else
ridingwithgsdtx@reddit
The town we are from the starting pay is 100k. Something AI or a bad economy will never effect. I think the selling point to him is him having the time to coach hockey and he also likes the brother/ sisterhood element.
NightGod@reddit
Yeah, a good friend of mine was a firefighter, just retired a couple years ago at about 48, but it was medical retirement, finally broke too many of the wrong bones and tore too many of the wrong ligaments. He loved the work and they literally had to force him to stop, but it's rough on the body
House_Junkie@reddit
I joined AD Air Force at 20 then got out and joined the AF Res/ANG. Hands-down one of the smartest decisions I’ve ever made. It opened up so many doors for me and my family and has taken care of us big time with a great job, very inexpensive healthcare, and a retirement to look forward to. I now have 30 total years of service and 19 years of active duty time and will retire with an active duty retirement in a little more than a year on top of the VA home loan helping my wife and I buy 3 homes over the last 13 years. My wife has always been in the ANG herself and will also retire as a traditional guardsman at the same time I will. If you have any questions that might help your kid with his or her decision, send me a DM. I’d love to talk them through any questions they have.
GoodFriday10@reddit
If it were me, I would join the Coast Guard.
Bigstar976@reddit
I have a friend who did two tours in Iraq. He was lucky to come back but has PTSD. That’s the best case scenario.
Upbeat_Call4935@reddit
That is far from the best case scenario.
Not everyone who serves or deploys comes back with PTSD.
I know dozens of vets—both combat and non—who parlayed their military experience into huge upside in their civilian personal and professional lives.
It’s certainly not for everyone. But for some it’s a great pathway.
jennifer_m13@reddit
I have one in the navy. He just signed up for four more years. I think he has about 3 years left but wants out.
He tried to prepare for the military life and boot camp as much as possible, ran, worked out, etc. I think he was still overwhelmed.
percydaman@reddit
What got me through basic training and Lt Infantry AIT was:
I knew that eventually they had to let us sleep. The day only lasted so long.
Everyone was hurting as much as me. Damn if I was gonna be one of those that wimped out.
NightGod@reddit
My secret for getting through BCT was I when I woke up every morning I said to myself, "Day X of the military mindfuck, Y days to go". Gave the whole thing a certain zen quality that made it all just not fucking matter.
Drill screaming in my face? OK, cool, "Yes drill sergeant", "No drill sergeant", "No excuse drill sergeant".
We're going to the range to police for brass and fill sandbags? Fuck yeah, a day outside in the sun getting some exercise in.
10 mile ruck? Nice stroll in the woods, damn North Carolina's pretty this time of year.
Honestly, in the end, BCT was a lot of fun. I've often said that if I was offered the chance go go back through with the same troops, I would have done it in a heartbeat
percydaman@reddit
Definitely a good attitude to have. For some reason, I seemed to gain energy and motivation the more I saw other people sucking. It seemed to lift me up.
I definitely don't recall using positive mantras though lol.
Girl_with_no_Swag@reddit
My son is a sophomore. He wants to become a pilot. He’s loved planes since he was a tyke. He has goals of being accepted into the Air Force Academy (or Naval Academy as his back up plan).
If he doesn’t get into either of those, then he’s looking to do traditional college while participating in ROTC, with a goal of getting accepted into OTC after graduation, and pursuing flying through that pathway.
There are way to try to better steer your trajectory into areas of interest. It goes beyond just signing up with a recruiter who has a quota. We are still figuring out our homework in that area.
MarquesTreasures@reddit
you can also apply Officer Training School if ROTC doesn't work. all you need is a degree and they send you to Maxwell AFB Alabama for 90 days (I think it's less than that nowadays).
also look into being a Combat Systems Officer. they don't fly the plane. but they are rated aircrew and I know a lot of dudes and dudettes who started with that then became pilots later. plus a lot of those guys do get stick time, like F15 WSOs.
Girl_with_no_Swag@reddit
Thanks! There is so much to learn!
He’s doing high school JROTC now and really enjoys it. He’s joined the Raiders team, so that’s helped a ton with his physical fitness. He’s very petite and slim, but has so much heart. To see him go from being dragged across the finish line during an endurance run by his teammates at the beginning of the year, to seeing him being the one helping to push others on his team across the finish line has been something else. Now we need to cross our fingers that he has another growth spurt in him and he can add a couple inches.
MarquesTreasures@reddit
I was 129 pounds when I joined. I left OTS (3 months) at 139 pounds. survival school and deployments packed on even more muscle and I walked around at 180 pounds for most of my career. you eat five times a day and work out three times a day when you are deployed. it was great.
Girl_with_no_Swag@reddit
My guy is currently 5’ 1” and maybe 95 pounds. He’s half Cajun and half Asian.
patbagger@reddit
Tell him to join the Air Force or Air Force reserves, he'll come away from it with a better skill set and is less likely to be sent to fight someone else's war.
disastrous_affect163@reddit
Totally different time, but I did eight years active duty and I credit that experience as the only reason I amounted to anything professionally.🤷♂️
NightGod@reddit
Honestly, as a son of a veteran (Navy), a veteran myself (Army Reserve) and having a daughter as a veteran (Active Army), tell him to go Air Force/Air National Guard. Tried to convince my daughter to go that route and she's since told me she wished she had listened.
The recruiter can promise him everything in the world, but let him know that if it's not in black and white on his contract, it doesn't exist. He has to have the mentality walking into MEPS (where they go to process and actually sign the contract) that he's there to get exactly what he wants and if he doesn't get it, he needs to be ready to walk away from it. Basically treat it like buying a car. Right up until he puts pen to paper and raises his right hand, he has all of the negotiating power, tell him to leverage that
Interesting_Debate57@reddit
And if he's going to join the military, the air force is where he ought to go. If he has a lot of academic aptitude, then one of the academies would be good, again preferably the air force.
DogsAreOurFriends@reddit
National Guard is a great deal.
cascadianpatriot@reddit
When I was young I was seriously considering it. Circumstances meant I knew people that were in. One said “I went to war and got injured for Texaco. Do you want to go to war for Texaco”?
No one I know that has served doesn’t have an injury of some kind.
Dry_Ad687@reddit
If he must join. Convince him to go Air Force
Signed, An Army Vet
MarquesTreasures@reddit
we can't win wars without you guys.
signed USAF vet
kayne_21@reddit
Navy would be a good choice as well, depending k what rates he qualifies for.
-signed a former navy electronics tech
Inner-Confidence99@reddit
My nephew just joined. It’s paying for 4 years of college plus some pay. He will stay in dorms every thing is covered. He’s been in ROTC since 8th grade.
thatpunkyrat@reddit
My dad was in and out of foster care growing up, he joined the army at 19 and just retired at 51. Since I was born, he kept telling me I should join but I sadly have mental health conditions that keep me from entry. I graduated HS in 2016 and wanted to join the Air Force so bad. I think national guard could be a good decision for your son for the benefits (free college, healthcare, money for housing, etc). I could totally understand why you wouldn't want him to though. Just be supportive whatever he decides to do.
Correct-Condition-99@reddit
Suggest the coast guard..
Disastrous-Screen337@reddit
Do one contract on active duty. Come out making the equivalent of a 100k civilian salary for life with VA "disabilty." It's the cheat code for life.
InteractionStrict927@reddit
We are not making that much i dummy even get 4k a month
Disastrous-Screen337@reddit
If you're 100% and you're single, you're getting ~$4000 tax free. Add the 16.9% effective tax rate back in. Your healthcare is free for life. You don't need to set aside 15% for retirement. You get free school or loan forgiveness. Many jurisdictions have no property tax. Free healthcare for dependants if you have them. Free college for the kids if you have them.
I deal with you folks and 38CFR every single day. 80-90% of veterans are exaggerating o malingering. The whole thing is make-believe and it has preyed on the taxpayer believing that disabled means disabled.
I wish that recent M21 change did up the burden of proof for secondaries. Maybe then, 100% wouldn't be far away the most common rating among rated veterans.
InteractionStrict927@reddit
Have you ever dealt with the VA Healthcare system? 3938 a month with the cost of things means I'll never be able to live alone
I have to wait months sometimes to be seen I've been asking for a needed medical device for 2 months and the doctor keeps messing up the order I was told 15 years ago my knees needed replaced they made me wait till I was 55 It's not what people would like to believe it is
Disastrous-Screen337@reddit
I could tell you why that is but it would violate Rule 7 of this sub. It's not for lack of funding. Use community care. Advocate for yourself.
For every guy like you, I see 200 others who are 100% from stacking secondaries on an itchy butthole from 1996. For them, 100% is a windfall of lifted tuck, pool, and gun money. They are now the majority.
I keep doing what I do to help vets. The money isn't endless and for every malingerer, a deserving vet, present or future, is going to get screwed.
InteractionStrict927@reddit
I ask for cc they don't always agree They wouldn't do cc for my dental it's now been 7 months and only half way thru the process .. they wanted to see me end of May they had no appts till July
Chronic pain 24/7 I've been asking for a hwave for over 2 months still don't get it
Ptsd and anxiety asked for a calmigo over 2 months ago doc keeps forgetting or messing up the paperwork still don't have it
I could probably list 10 more things I've been begging to get taken care of
I'm not the only one having issues like this
Not every va is like this but I can't move
Disastrous-Screen337@reddit
I hope it gets better.
stuck_behind_a_truck@reddit
My understanding is that recruits are tested and career paths assigned to them. Your kid has to think about what their civilian goals after the military and attempt to get themselves assigned in that direction.
Otherwise, the transition to civilian career is tough.
It’s also worth them truly exploring the requirements and career paths for all branches. Recruiters will tell a good story and maybe there’s a sign-up bonus, but your child needs a long-term goalie plan in mind to make a clear-eyed decision.
MarquesTreasures@reddit
I did 20 years active duty...no regrets.
but screw the NG, just pull off the bandaid and retire earlier.
look at it this way, when I joined in 2001, I had an instructor who taught me how to fly. later, he went to the guard. by the time I took command, he was working as a government civilian and I hired him. then I retired, and he was there at my ceremony. he still has 10 more years to go before he sees any retirement checks. meanwhile, I've been retired for 4 years.
aDirtyMartini@reddit
My son graduated with a math degree and got a job at a large defense contractor. He also joined the Army national guard. He loves it and is making a ton of money.
_Losing_Generation_@reddit
Two of my nephews joined the military. One is still in the Navy and one left the Rangers a few years ago. It worked out for them. The Army nephew is working g remotely and clearing $130k per year. He's only 27. If you approach it like any other job and use it for your future, then it can be totally worth it. Of course there's always the possibility that you could end up being se t somewhere to fight. But that's the trade off. Nothing is free.
NavierIsStoked@reddit
I have highly, highly discouraged my daughters from joining the military.
Val-E-Girl@reddit
My husband joined when he was 19 because he had no direction in life. After three years of service, he had a path to a lucrative IT career.
My son joined the Army Reserves as soon as he turned 18 with a contract to reimburse his college expenses. Like your son, he had a calling to serve, and figured out how to satisfy us through the ROTC college program. He's 13 years in and still loves it. As an NCO now, he actually pivoted from his FT career to go FT miltary as Active Guard Reserve. He still loves it all, continues training his platoon, and makes a very good living.
I say it all depends on the person and the MOS they select on how their career in the military comes out on the other end.
percydaman@reddit
I definitely look back on my time with alot of good and bad memories. It definitely gave me some perspective and discipline. But, what I think benefited me the most, was just the opportunity to get away from my parents, be (somewhat of an adult), while still under the umbrella of some sort of "stand-in" for parents.
Yes, I got treated mostly like a kid, but I was definitely still one in many respects, so I got a buffer time to mature some before going out into the actual big bad world.
Wacko_Banana_Pants@reddit
SIL is part of the air national guard. Got hired by Grumman and now works full time at Whiteman AFB while getting paid from both Grumman and the guard while on duty. Damn good gig if you ask me
AnxiousSeason@reddit
Not worth it. The NG go to basic training same as anyone else …only to go home to work some normal job? Boring.
Tell him to join the Coast Guard or Air Force active duty.
Obviously I would really recommend against doing any of it. Especially right now. But if he insists, don’t waste time with the NG.
Early-Tourist-8840@reddit
Both my kids (son & daughter) joined military. One before college, one after. (One is currently deployed). I was a deployed military kid too, so my opinion may be a bit biased. It’s worked well for all of us. Family and career-wise.
Vioralarama@reddit
Thrres a guy on reels, he uses a friend's account named Pat Loller; he was in the National Guard in Afghanistan. He's also autistic and is a big ol' nerd. He talks about all three a lot and he's very amusing. His tales of PTSD and dealing with the VA are a big ol' warning though. Try that.
Papa-Cinq@reddit
I appreciate your son, his willingness to serve, his foresight and wisdom at such a young age. Hand salute to him.
LayerNo3634@reddit
SIL joined the military to learn a marketable skill. He now has a great career. No degree, but is making a lot more than friends with a degree (and debt).
skippy_smooth@reddit
Go to college and commission, paid by ROTC if possible
Mundane_Ad7197@reddit
I was on active duty between ‘84 and ‘05. I deployed a lot, to a lot of places. It never bothered be, a soldier takes a soldiers chances. First time my kid deployed was a different can of worms.
My daughter is on active duty now, my son is in the guard. It is not what it used to be, don’t think it’s what it was 10-15 years ago.
I’d steer your kids into the trades and clear of anything uniformed and federal.
Witty-Kale-0202@reddit
I spent 20 years as a Reservist with peacetime and combat deployments. I would definitely NOT want my kid in Iran (doubtless my parents didn’t want me in Iraq) but part of me would also be extremely proud despite my own hang-ups.
Guard is great because most states will allow them free tuition in any state college/university. Even if he chose infantry (or infantry chose him) it doesn’t mean he will end up broken and ruined. I think the military is a wonderful growth experience and wish more young people would be able to take advantage of the good parts of enlisting, while putting up with some of the less awesome parts. Feel free to ask directly if you have any questions!
Beegkitty@reddit
I was USAR - which is not NG but has a similar experience. First - I regret not going active. The benefits are different for Reserve vs Active vs NG vs SG. Each state provides different benefits based on the different type of service. You should research which state provides the best benefits for their NG enrollees. Don't just assume the benefits are the same.
Army has a tiered system in how they treat their veterans. When going to the VA, the Active regular service are serviced first. I have sat at a VA hospital for injuries while on active status, as a Reservist and told that they couldn't see me that day because I was too low on the list. This explains partially why I regret not just going active. The other part is that I was mobilized OFTEN but in a manner to not have me qualify as having actually been on Active duty. Several 29 day orders back to back.
I am under the impression that NG gets the same treatment with regards to the 29 day orders.
I came back with broken body as well. My experience as a woman was very different than that a man would experience. BUT there are some overlap in regards to MST (it still happens just not as often - at least based on the reports.)
BUT - even with all of that - I still wish I had gone just regular Army instead of Reserve.
TorrEEG@reddit
What she said, except I joined the reserves and then went active. I wanted to either be in or out.
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InternationalRule138@reddit
The military is not a bad career choice. That said, I don’t know that the National Guard would be my first choice to encourage my kid serving. Have him talk to some recruiters and get a feel for what they can do for him.
lovesriding@reddit
Number one. I love my country the idea of the US is fantastic.
Number two, I have a 23 year son, I played our the military to him. The military is sent out to either protect the assets a corporations has or to take a asset they want.
Since WW2 our military has been a tool the corporations use and Since our politicians are paid by corporations they do what they are told.
This is coming from a military brat my grandfather, uncle and dad where all military, I was born on a military base.
Why do I have this belief? My dad explained it to me when I also was thinking of joining.
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Tom_in_Ohio@reddit
Both of my two older children (son and daughter) are in the Ohio National Guard. My son is in the infantry and has one year left in both the Guard and college. In Ohio, Guard members immediately get a 100% tuition scholarship to any state school. He also spent a year on a deployment to Iraq and Syria. He is very proud of his service and getting himself through college on his own. He has enjoyed his time, but doesn’t want a career in the military. My daughter also joined as a truck driver, earned her CDL, and is studying to be a teacher. She also enjoys it but knows it is not for her as a career.
I was an officer in the Marines (infantry) for many years, both active duty and reserves. I never pressured my children to serve, but I am proud that they both do. When they first started thinking about it in high school, I steered them to the Guard because of the Ohio scholarship program (which is in addition to the GI Bill). I told them that if they found that they liked the military like I did, they could pursue a commission after college. If they don’t like it, the Guard is the least committed way to find out.
CatRiot2020@reddit
Sounds like it’s a great career for some folks, but I would never encourage my daughter to join the military in any facet of
InteractionStrict927@reddit
2 of my girls went in the marines, did their time and got out then went to college for free But that was 14 years ago Today I would try to talk them out of it
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flaginorout@reddit
My kid wants to join the Navy. I’m OK with it.
I was in the Marines. I actually joined the guard after the USMC. I didn’t care for the part time commitment, but a lot of guys did.
You’re probably not going to get a broken body serving one weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer. Especially if you do something like admin or tech. I was in an infantry unit in the guard. 90% of it was sitting on our asses.
Unless he’s doing something better with his time, he should just go active duty. The benefits and training are a lot better.
And people who are scared of their kids joining the military? They should be terrified of their kid going to college. lol.
At least the military has adults that are looking after the ‘children’. When I was in, I was accounted for 24/7. I was ordered to go to the dentist and get yearly physicals. All my worldly needs were provided. If I did something stupid, I had someone putting back in line. I had a support system.
The military isn’t this unhinged, death defying organization that it’s made out to be. Just become a radar tech or an admin bitch. Probably safer than working at a gas station.
eejm@reddit
Why should parents be terrified to send a kid to college? I’m genuinely asking, not trying to start a fight.
flaginorout@reddit
I mean, there is very little adult supervision or accountability. The kid is basically on their own.
eejm@reddit
I guess some people still need close supervision at that age. Others don’t, and have more negative outcomes with it.
Six_Pack_Attack@reddit
Yes, do the socialiism.
_genepool_@reddit
I was always giving this as an option for my kids. Not currently though.
eggs_erroneous@reddit
I did an Army enlistment. But it was from JAN '97 to JAN '01. There wasn't jack shit going on in the world. It was great. I'm not sure I would join while things are so crazy in the government.
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maroongrad@reddit
I wouldn't, because there's three more years where he'll be sent to do things like invade Minnesota and California. Get him into a trade school or college (unless he's got really high test scores and is planning on attending a university and has a big scholarship) and he'll be too busy to look into the national guard for a couple years, at which point this will either have exploded or improved.
If he IS taking a ton of advanced classes, have him look into taking the IB test and preparing for it...and send him to Europe. The universities teach most classes in English, and it's a few thousand a year AT MOST. There's a very good chance he'll even get a stipend. Way cheaper to buy a couple round-trip tickets a year and go to school in Europe than to do one semester in the US. If he's not doing advanced classes, he needs to score really high in community college courses and then transfer to a European college.
And, point out that he'll be officer-track if he's got a degree...not grunt.
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-Morning_Coffee-@reddit
To answer your question directly: it takes a LOT of personal drive to accomplish what you want while serving, even part-time.
Air Force is a good choice if there’s no good reason to get physically battered and psychologically bullied.
Some people enjoy the personal challenge. In that case the army and marines are both fine.
If he isn’t particular about the job assignment, then he should definitely look at bonuses. In my area, PT positions are offering $25-$40K over a six year contract, in addition to tuition assistance and loan repayment.
kayne_21@reddit
I spent 6 years in the Navy. 9/11 happened while I was in.
When people ask me my opinion about my time in the service, I always tell them it was the coolest thing I would never do again. Meaning while it had a bunch of upsides, I’m not sure if I would make the same choice, if I’d had the knowledge of what it really was.
If your kid really is insistent on joining, I would advise against any type of infantry or infantry adjacent positions. Air Force, navy, or maybe space force (lol) would be the best bets.
savedbytheblood72@reddit
I got one just out of the army. Now my youngest might join the Navy. I'm all for it. See the world
NoWolverine9111@reddit
My husband did ROTC in college and has been a full time Army reservist for 20 years. The military has paid for his master's degree and he is thinking about getting a PhD, which the military will also pay for. He has made great connections and will be set for a good paying civilian job when he retires from the reserves. Our daughter is currently in high school and plans to also do ROTC in college.
My husband does not have any mental health problems, though we know plenty of soldiers who do. I think if your son does join, it is important to make sure he has a good support system that he can rely on. My in laws have been very supportive of my husband's career and have always been good at calling at least once a week to check in and visiting us multiple times a year, no matter where we live. He has a very close bond with his dad which I think has helped him stay mentally healthy. That being said, the military has been physically hard on his body and he is starting to feel that.
thor_strong1@reddit
Look at the Air Force or Navy before the Army. If they do 4 years active then transfer to the guard they will have better access to benefits like the Gi Bill and VA loan.
I did 20 years in the Air Force. While it sucked at times, I loved most of it.
yeahipostedthat@reddit
National Guard deploys a lot from what I've seen amongst friends. My husband is Army Reserve and did ROTC to commission as an officer. It has worked out really well for us financially as he has a state job that is required to hold his job when he goes on active duty so he's simultaneously working towards 2 retirements.
elwood0341@reddit
Every employer is required by law to hold your job if you get called to active duty.
yeahipostedthat@reddit
Yes but the state job with its own separate pension makes it extra awesome bc his time on orders still counts😉
yeahipostedthat@reddit
And I also know reservists/NG with civilian jobs that run into more problems with the requirement to hold their jobs. They often try to get out of doing it or are hostile when they return, claim the job was eliminated while creating a "new" position that is essentially theor old job etc
elwood0341@reddit
If your old job doesn’t exist they have to give one that’s equivalent
yeahipostedthat@reddit
I understand what they are legally required to do, I am explaining what they often attempt to do, and often succeed at in real life.
Odd-Addition-1359@reddit
Everyone I know that went to the military after high school is legit retired at 50.
gatorgopher@reddit
My oldest will retire from the Navy in the next 3 to 5 years. If he came to me now and said he wanted to join, I would beg him to wait. I also served in two branches so have nothing against the institution itself.
lionbacker54@reddit
i only personally know three people who did it. but they loved it, made lifelong bonds, and did not have any serious injuries
Consistent-Change386@reddit
Air National Guard- 8 year contract, Air Force basic training and advanced training, serve 1 weekend per month, 2 weeks during the summer. Your kid gets college paid for, job training, VA guarantee for a home loan, discounts everywhere. Research the available jobs- Air Force has some real cushy ones- kid will need a high score on the ASVAB. Not everyone comes out broken.
Imaginary_Vanilla_54@reddit
I was active duty then air guard. My son leaves for basic late summer. I will add that veterans have extra points when applying for government jobs.
JAFO-@reddit
He may want to go active, he can get health care benefits when he gets out. Can always go reserve after his active commitment. That is what I did but I got out of the reserves after a while.
I so far have had a good experience with the VA health system.
gravely_serious@reddit
I don' t know what you mean by "career benefits," but the GI Bill and the VA home loan are worth the cost of service by themselves. I'm not sure what benefits NG gets, but if those two are on the list, do it.
Spiritual_Sail_8969@reddit
Military Vet here, and Army brat. It's a good life choice at 17. Any service career opportunities and benefits. I would suggest the Air National guard over the Army though. But it depe6on what they are interested in.
coopasonic@reddit
My brother and I were both Army enlisted. Our dad was an Air Force officer. Looking back, I think dad had it right (please don't tell him!). If either of my kids showed any interest I would push them in the Air Force direction or if not that, some REMF MOS. Yeah, the signing bonus won't be as good but their mom would feel a lot better about it!
Krazy_Kat_Lady_2025@reddit
I have 2 friends who went into Coast Guard out of college? Any thoughts on that? What kills me is one of them lives in Ohio so I guess he might be doing great lakes border stuff?
Spiritual_Sail_8969@reddit
I had a 12 month contract working with the Coast Guard in VA. I worked in an office on base. It was a great environment and everyone seemed to enjoy there enlistment. And just because he is in Ohio doesn't mean he won't get an assignment somewhere else. I think it's different than the reserves or NG
K21markel@reddit
I worked closely with this group. It taught discipline, commitment, communication, life skills, “hobby” income, close friends, continued education, responsibility….the list is long and it’s a great goal, especially in this economy.
sbfb1@reddit
My son is in the active military. He’s thriving. Went to college and played D3 football for a year, as was burnt out. Enlisted in the Army, he’s been in 3 years and will reenlist shortly. He’s in the infantry, an, E5. His body is pretty beat up, but was already from football.
I personally think it was a great decision for him. Every kid is different.
wookiedberry@reddit
I was an Army National Guard vet for nearly 30 years.
It paid for college, gave me income, help financial my home, has the some of the best health insurance available and at super cheap prices.
My youngest son spent 4 years in the air force. Paid for his college and gave him a stipend to live on while going to school.
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ONROSREPUS@reddit
We have a young fella here at work that is on his two week "camping trip" his words not mine. He is an electrical engineering and does IT work for the guard. He loves it and ,as of now, don't plan on quitting any time soon.
I see no issues with young folks joining the military. A lot of my family members did.
speckledhen74@reddit
Both of my sons joined the marine corps. One got out of after 4 years the other reenlisted once and will be getting out after 8. It was an excellent experience for both of them and they’ve saved up enough money while in to be pretty comfortable now. And they both now have the GI bill to take advantage of as well as access to some VA benefits and healthcare. Yes, it was hard on their bodies but both of them fully enjoyed their marine corps jobs. They’ve traveled the US and the world, met people from all walks of life, and received good job training.
Kurtbott@reddit
Grandpa was in other theaters in WWII, father was in Vietnam. Grandfather drank himself to death due to PTSD, father (less severe PTSD but still can’t talk about his experiences) forbade me from joining. When I turned 17 gave me 2 books I needed to read Johnny Get Your Gun and All Quiet on the Western Front.
Malsirian@reddit
I read Johnny Get Your Gun in high school. That was enough to dissuade me from considering the military. I still remember that book....
froction@reddit
I just watched the Metallica video over and over.
Malsirian@reddit
Hah for sure. Same
Kurtbott@reddit
1984, Animal Farm and these 2 books (all required reading from Parens) have all stuck with me.
Malsirian@reddit
Those two too! Yup
Anonymo123@reddit
My 16 yr old thought about it for a while, i think he was spurred on by grandpas Vietnam medals. I've told him since early on its a solid choice to pay for college and travel, even though his college is already budgeted for. He knows some uncles and my friends who served and have physical injuries and PTSD and he's changed his mind.
If he really wanted to and was dead set on it... I would support him and try and guide him to a non combat MOS.
CaptJack_LatteLover@reddit
Late husband was active duty Navy. (He passed due to a drunk driver, NOT military related). He loved it. I would suggest the Navy or Coast Guard. He'll have access to the GI Bill & VA home loan.
Mikethemechanic00@reddit
Army vet who was active and guard. I get disability for missing out on combat. Almost everyone will have a psychological or physical problem when they get out.
InteractionStrict927@reddit
Forgot to mention both of my girls are disabled vets one more physical damage and the other more psychologically due to things that happened I'm a vet from the 90s and came out broken and disabled
Ok_Driver8646@reddit
Let him have his choice and freedoms like we had as GenX. Mostly. 😎👍🏽 he will figure it out and you can give him things to ponder to fully realize if this is his path. Good luck.
Slow-Complaint-3273@reddit
The military is a much better option than it used to be. It’s not perfect, but it is a reliable place for financially accessible healthcare and education. For some people, it’s the best chance they have of seeing the world and experiencing other cultures (to a degree, depending on whether it’s a wartime or peacetime deployment). We spent over three years in Seoul and had an incredible time there.
Tall-Yard-407@reddit
It’s a good thing. First off, he’ll get the discipline drilled into him that will help him become an adult early on. Also, encourage him to take a look around while he’s in because there are some really good benefits he could take advantage of; college fund, health insurance, discounts on things like education, mortgages and so on. My 17 yo son is going to join the marines when he graduates. Although I’m worried about what will become of him, I think for him (regardless of what I think) the benefits outweigh the negatives. Besides, a really high percentage of applicants (approximately 77% as per google) are ineligible for service without a waiver and then more applicants are rejected during the MEP and another percentage don’t make it through boot camp. It’s worth a celebration if he makes it through boot camp and by no means should you outwardly celebrate his rejection. It’s a goal he set for himself and that’s an impressive goal for a teenager.
Eazy12345678@reddit
tell em its a bad idea. signing away their rights to work more than 40hours a week for less than 40hour a week pay
i would never encourage any friends or family to join the military
CountHonorius@reddit
Should be encouraged to serve in any of the branches of the Armed Forces, particularly Navy and Coast Guard. They're building ships but are running low on crews.
geolaw@reddit
Had a friend who had joined the army for the gi bill but he had to fight tooth and nail to get any actual educational benefits
Large-Delay-1123@reddit
I think that’s the common experience. It’s certainly not a blank check to study whatever field they are interested in.
Basic_Scale_5882@reddit
My son joined at 17 too. He's 12 years in, a Staff Sargeant, and extremely successful. He'll be retiring before me!!! And I couldn't be more proud of him.
SocialSyphilis@reddit (OP)
So many great comments here. Thank you all for chiming in.
RiffRandellsBF@reddit
Tell him to join the Seabees. Best duty station, get journeyman qualifying hours, and no one sends Seabees into battle anymore. Too valuable.
And you can join them as a reservist.
Vylnce@reddit
I joined the Army reserve. I picked my job, got free trips to someplace awesome and got job training and valuable networking.
I have no idea what you kids wants to do, but if they join the guard or reserve and get written into their contract the job that they want, they are essentially getting paid to get job training. I highly recommend that route for people that understand what they are getting into and can "play the game" while they are in.
PheesGee@reddit
My son just got out of the army after a 6-year stint. His body is so broken, he'll have some sort of disability for the rest of his life. Not to mention what it did to his mental well-being. 100% do not recommend. Encourage him to find another way to serve your community.
No-Hospital559@reddit
It's their decision but no way would I want my child to be used as cannon fodder for some corporations oil war.
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ChefNo4180@reddit
My husband, brother, sister and daughter were all Marines and loved it! I have 6 male cousins who were Army or Navy and a nephew who is Air Force.
Some made it a career and retired after 20 yrs, some just did 4-8 yrs. They will all tell you it's not easy, but the things they learned and gained from the experience was worth it.
My husband, brother and nephew all had multiple deployments in war zones and they do have physical and mental scars. But they would do it all again.
bizh_gki@reddit
All the news reports of a draft and extending the max age for enlistment, might be smart to go in and get good seats before they’re all taken so to speak. Hope my comment isn’t political. Not meaning to say anything for or against whatever, but seems there’s intention to open the gates for enlistment. I’d not want to be stuck with infantry if that’s not where I wanted to be.
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Beyondoutlier@reddit
My kid ( now 33) wanted to join the military. We told him to go ROTC to college. He went to our state school which has a large cadre, got a scholarship his sophmore - senior years and commissioned at a Lt in the national guard at graduation. While a cadet he went to airborne school and to west Africa for a “thing” ( cultural, deploy idk correct words ). He graduated and works a great civilian job, but has also deployed to Djibouti, and gotten promoted. He’s an officer broken bodies are less likely to- he’s also medical so that changes the impact on him.
Point is - if you think he would succeed in college then maybe encourage ROTC
Jacmac_@reddit
There is nothing wrong with joining the National Guard.
Infinite-Hearing2629@reddit
Hubby did 6 years in the air force. They taught him computers and he's had a job ever since.
That being, look at what the National.Guard actually does these days before he makes a decision.
HollygoLightly1970@reddit
Probably not a popular answer here, but there is no way I would encourage my son or anyone I care about to enlist at the moment. The folks in charge think the world is their video game and they will send any young person into any dangerous area at any time for any reason. I just wouldn’t encourage my own child or any other child I care for to do this.
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chris_ut@reddit
That applies regardless of whose in charge unless you want to ignore the state of perpetual warfare the US has been in for the last 80 years.
Hairbear2176@reddit
National Guard isn't full-time, it's not as hard on your body. You can and may deploy, that's where a lot of the bodily abuse takes place.
I was in the Marine Corps. Whenever someone is looking at enlisting, I only recommend the Air Force or the Coast Guard. Air Force simply because it's not as hard on your body, and the chances of getting a good job are fairly high. Coast Guard, because they have cool jobs and do some pretty cool shit. They also have some INSANE signing bonuses for certain jobs!
lisanstan@reddit
Husband and I both served, active duty Air Force. Both linguists. Both of us retired early (him at 62, me at 57). MOS is going to be crucial as some don't translate well into civilian life. Anything medical or in a trade is going to be good. If he wants to do government work, intel is good.
TheRoadKing101@reddit
Talk them out of it.
amosc33@reddit
My son dreamed his whole life of becoming a pilot. He was devastated when T won the election and gave up that dream. Thank goodness because he’d be in Iran now. Or Cuba. Or Venezuela.
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Left-Landscape-3890@reddit
I went active in 96. I retired 10 years ago now and am set for life. The retired pay and VA benefits pay my mortgage and all expenses. I invest all of my 6 figure pay (that my mikitary experience got me) and live like a king.
StonedGhoster@reddit
I joined at 18 in the late 90s; had a great four years and it led me to an even better career (until recently). I was hoping my sons would join the Corps as I did. They initially expressed interest, but that has since waned. As it stands now, I'm largely ambivalent. My oldest is approaching 22, and my youngest 17. I probably would not advocate for it now, given the many things going on in the world. It's just a lot different from when I joined. I'd like to think that my service allowed me to put my kids in a position that they could choose to go in or not. I wanted to join, but I didn't really have a wealth of options, either. I still think it honorable and I often wish I'd have stayed in. But if they came to me and said they wanted to join, I'd help guide them to avoid the common pitfalls.
Informal-Gene-8777@reddit
My kid is waiting for his MOS (cybersecurity) to have an opening before he signs a contract. He has gone through the entire MEPS/clearance process and is in contact with his recruiter.
As this is part of intelligence, he isn't likely to be anywhere near combat (50% of jobs aren't). If he were interested in infantry, I'd have a different view.
Phobos1982@reddit
I wouldn't go Army. I'd do USCG, USN, or USAF. The physical and mental impacts seem much lighter than Army or Marines. I'd have him take the ASVAB and see which opportunities appear and which would be best for supporting a career after serving.
Specialist_Path_3166@reddit
Joining the Army was the best thing I did. I joined right out of high school. Served 9 years and landed a federal job. I had three hots and a cot, healthcare and life insurance and a paycheck. Learned a ton about myself and travelled the world. Hard to find a job that will teach you a skill and how to be a leader.
heruskael@reddit
A Reservist i knew didn't get hardly any of the benefits he expected, make sure goals and expectations are well grounded and everything is in black and white.
Top_Condition_6390@reddit
Go to college.
SnoSlider@reddit
My son went through the process about a year and a half ago. He’s an automotive school graduate, scored extremely high on the ASVAB and was told he would be assigned to a prestigious training program after basic. When he went to MEPS to sign, the contract he was presented with was to attend an overhead demolitions training school (how to swing a sledge hammer)after boot camp. They tried to bait and switch him. He asked about the school he was promised, it wasn’t available, “so just sign for this one.” He tore up the contract and walked out. Thankfully he was smart enough to recognize they were trying to screw him over.
Informal-Gene-8777@reddit
My kids had a similar experience, only his recruiter supported him and he is waiting for the job he wants/qualified for (17C). It's all about which jobs are available.
Independent-Dark-955@reddit
My youngest son is just finishing basic training, which he has really enjoyed. He’ll be attending advanced individual training in a couple of weeks. My oldest son is a combat veteran, used the GI benefit to get an engineering degree and is in an excellent place career-wise.
The advice I would give to your son is to look at an MOS that would transfer to a good career path in the civilian world. Make sure to study for the ASVAB so that he can qualify for the MOS he is interested in and make sure his health and physical fitness levels are where they should be. The ARMY will let him sign a contract guaranteeing the MOS of his choice. If he is an Eagle Scout or has relative career experience/credentials, or a degree, he can go in at a higher rank.
A few years ago one of the dads I knew decided to join the National Guard as a new recruit (military had always been his dream). He was at the top of the age range but in good physical shape. He did it, went through basic combat training with all the young guys, then went away for advanced individual training to be an airplane mechanic. He received great training and was able to work on base as a contractor for his full time job and be a weekend warrior in the guard. It was a great leap forward career wise for him and his family was very supportive and willing to make sacrifices so that he could achieve this.
Best of luck to your son!
Better_Resort1171@reddit
I have a friend whose daughter joined the Marines a handful of years ago. She's been involved in Cybersecurity and other roles
She will be absolutely golden when her time is up
abraxus66@reddit
In the words of Ben Folds,"Son, you're fucking high "
ArcherFew2069@reddit
Now is not the time to join. Maybe in a few years, but not now. I am a veteran and this is how I advised my own nephew.
Tencenttincan@reddit
Worked out well for my daughter and son in law. They both came out RN’s, never deployed. My Great Grandpa got gassed in France, and his Dad got shot up in the Civil War so, you never know…
Head_Trick_9932@reddit
My son is joining the Navy. He graduates in two weeks and ships off soon after. I’m nervous but I do think it’s good for him. He’s wanted to his whole HS career so I’ll support his decisions.
well_well_wells@reddit
I joined the navy when I was 20 in 2005. I was broke. High school drop out. Was going nowhere.
Was in from 2005-2008.
Since then, I've used the GI Bill for 3 degrees. My military experience gave me an in with getting a federal job. I was able to get a 0 down 2.68% 30 year fixed VA loan.
There are many pitfalls for young military people. But the benefits can be great.
I_AM_ME-7@reddit
My son wanted to join the army for years, he turned 18 last November and with all the shit going on was like fuck that and is now has decided to college.
Westfield-flyer@reddit
The military saved me. My parents were broke. No scholarships. I was stuck in a dead end life at 18 years old. My dad gave me $20 when I left for the Army and that was probably all he could afford. I served for 3 years. I used the GI bill to pay for my degree when I got out. Not every experience with the military is negative.
Pristine-Ad-8002@reddit
My son joined right out of high school and is now 27. He actually trains at a base that is non-deployable so he’s never been deployed. He using GI bill right now to get his bachelors degree. He gets school paid for plus an extra stipend every month. The only thing he wishes he had changed was his MOS. He was young and went into infantry but wishes he had trained for something that would give him real life job experience. He says he’s going to do 20 years and he’s at 9 right now so we will see.
HenryLoggins@reddit
Best decision I ever made…. If my kid wanted to go, I would 100% support his decision. Excellent education, sons of good experience, and if you make the right choices while you’re in, with your job selection, there are actually a lot of opportunities for when your enlistment is over. I would 100% do it again.
There are other options, besides National Guard, such as Coast Guard and Air Force where he may be less likely to see boots on the ground type of deployment.
Lots of praise and respect to our Army and Marines, but those guys have a higher probability of seeing combat upfront.
It just depends on what your kid wants to do.
JoeInMD@reddit
Seconding this!
I went to boot camp in January of '98 and got out of the service Oct '06. Best damn thing I could've done, no question.
By March of '07 I was a Financial Advisor, hired mostly because of my military experience.
Graduated college May '17 with $0 student debt because of the GI Bill.
While I was in I traveled to Asia, Australia, South America, and all across the states!
Playful-Park4095@reddit
The military was my ticket to the middle class. See all the people on Reddit in the middle class worrying about retirement vs paying their kids' college bills? Or the going ones crying about student loans?
Army was one of the best decisions I made. I still miss the comraderie, even if I don't miss the job itself.
SeniorRaspberry4697@reddit
I have to agree. I grew up dirt poor and the Army was my ticket to a better life. We can talk about how the military preys on poor people for their numbers, but I was able to do so much because of it. College, pension, education, experience, and I’m sending my children to school because of it, if they choose. Every profession can suck, but, overall, the profession of arms was very good to me.
Tryingnottomessup@reddit
I have to 2nd that - I was drifting at 21 in NYC, all I saw was a path of shit jobbys, joined the Army, 4.5 active, didn't get deployed during Desert Storm🍀One of my senior SGT's told me to try college and if that didn't work, the Army would welcome me back. G.I. Bill got me through college, while also in the NG, got deployed to OIFIII. Completed my 20yrs and retired so that I would have another income stream when I retire from the real world. It taught me alot and probably saved me from a worse fate. I am 60 now, getting my small pension, but I will be able to leave my job in 2yrs for the real retirement.
GrasshopperoftheWood@reddit
The problem with this point of view is you have to ignore any real sense of morality. We (the USA) are invading other countries. So we are the aggressors. If you can ignore that, great. If you cannot, no amount of money will placate the deep pangs of regret.
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froction@reddit
If I could go back in time I would join the NG. All kinds of benefits and opportunities without a lot of the risks and drawbacks of full-time service.
Displaced_in_Space@reddit
I did what he did at age 21 to the Air Force.
Some food for thought for the kid:
daphatty@reddit
There seems to be a lot of context missing here. Life decisions like this have many influential factors. You’ll receive plenty of feedback but none of it matters if you don’t provide context as to why he wants to go.
For example, there’s a big difference between someone who wants to hoping just to get out of a desperate home situation versus someone who truly believes in the military ethos.
SocialSyphilis@reddit (OP)
Hes in it for the service and career benefits
daphatty@reddit
The benefits aren’t great for the enlisted, particularly after their service is complete. A family member of mine joined right out of high school. Since he completed his service, he hasn’t been able to benefit from many of the services because they are either abysmal (VA hospitals) or because they are out of financial reach (VA loans). The GI Bill might be useful IF one can complete the service with mind and/or body intact. That’s not always possible.
As some have already stated, suggest your child complete college then sign up as an officer. The odds of a better life grow exponentially with an education, including in the military.
Impressive-Show-1736@reddit
My son is graduating from college this week. He did ROTC for the Army National Guard. He will be a commissioned officer. He will be in the reserves.
Stillwater-Scorp1381@reddit
My son joined the Air Force after high school and is thriving. He’s going to start college online this summer with the intention to learn while he serves. Prior to his enlistment, he could’ve given a rat’s ass about education.
Blametheorangejuice@reddit
It is hit or miss. Four quick examples:
My father was enlisted in the Air Force as a medic during Vietnam. For whatever reason, they kept him on a base in the states, where he finished his time and was honorably discharged before the war was over. He worked in a factory for the rest of his life.
A cousin enlisted and joined the Army with the distinct goal of being a helicopter pilot. After basic training, he was assigned to be the navigator (they have a fancier word for it, I think) for a tank. He has worked in a factory for the past 30 years after his honorable discharge.
A guy I used to work with was a mechanic for the Army and was stationed in Germany during the Cold War. Other than the occasional readiness drills, he spent his days working on machines and getting weekend passes to go skiing in the Alps. He moved on to working in telecom.
A friend of mine from high school was basically GI Joe and spent more time with army recruiters than with the teachers. His goal was to be an Army Ranger. He completed basic training and went off to Ranger school (or whatever they call it). In the first week, he slipped and fell during a march and shattered his ankle. He was almost immediately discharged for health reasons. He has worked in retail ever since.
I think, right now, unless you join up as an officer, the career outcomes are sometimes not as slam dunk as the military branches would make you think.
kapshus@reddit
I have a 16 YO. I would spend my waking hours trying to convince him to run, run, run from any military commitments.
This government has zero concern for American military lives. The next one may be worse yet, or we could be witnessing the early stages of a global imperial period. China has designs on Taiwan. Mid East is always going to be a hotbed for war and terrorism that could come to roost at any time.
I'm glad my son is on track for college and a technology degree.
mltrout715@reddit
My son has a computer science degree and a masters from two of the top schools in the nation and is also in the NG, and served while he was in school.
eyehate@reddit
Good on you. I would have opted for college if I had the foresight. I could not follow my rate (job) out of the military and I am plagued with tinnitus and hearing loss (but that is not service related, according to the VA).
ER_Jenna@reddit
My husband joined at 24. We stayed in the Army for 22 years. He got his bachelor's degree and has built his own business, making far more than what he earned while active (but still getting retirement). Very few complaints here, other than moving around a lot with kids.
HighJeanette@reddit
My son came out of the military with broken mental health.
FrankParkerNSA@reddit
Stepson joined the Navy in 2022. Best possible decision he could have made. Hated school and had no direction. He's now an E-5 supervisor, career path, 401k, and a purpose in life. I'm extremely proud of him and everything he's accomplished.
mltrout715@reddit
My son joined during his freshman year of college. I was very much against it at first, but came around. He has done wonders for him, and he signed a second contract. It is not easy, but he loved it, and was able to get a masters degree from the them. As long as he knows what he is getting into, it would be a great opportunity
not-a-dislike-button@reddit
Everyone I know who served came out way ahead. They had great paths to get jobs, great work ethics, and had college paid for and got special good home loans. If I did it all over again I'd have joined up.
Bixiebee23@reddit
Not everyone came out ahead. Both of my brothers died horribly. It's not all fun and benefits.
slimninj4@reddit
I joined the Army. I am glad I did. I did not have anything happen to me while on my tours. Would i want my kids to go in the military now? well they would be adults and would be their end decision. I told them go as an officer. enlisted get shit on.
Cmorethecat@reddit
If he's dead set, encourage Air Force. They rarely see action. The other branches refer to Air Force as 'chair force' 😆.
If he tests well, encourage intel. My kiddo has been AF intel for ten years. The clearance can be parlayed into terrific contracting opportunities.
KingdomOfFawg@reddit
Coast Guard. Could end up surfing in Hawaii or fishing 🎣 his ass off in Kodiak. The worst USCG base is in St Louis.
crager34@reddit
Coast Guard.
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skoltroll@reddit
Does he think a land war in Asia is a good idea?
Because at the current trajectory, the odds of him fighting in one pretty high.
mrsdigi@reddit
My oldest is a Marine. He became one at 18 and is still serving 15 years later. Watching him walk across that parade ground in MCRDSD was the most proud moment of my life. 🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️
TopicLost4398@reddit
My son is in the Navy and I have another thinking he's gonna go Marine. You are correct the pride is overwhelming
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tlgexlibris@reddit
My son joined and was promptly sent to Afghanistan. Was nearly killed and shipped home. He will deal with his injuries the rest of his life. I would advise a big no, especially since we are in an active conflict.
ConsuelaShlepkiss@reddit
The Air National Guard is a good way to go.
TopicLost4398@reddit
My son is in the Navy and loves it and I have another thinking he will go Marines but I think he's gonna go Navy also
RedKGB@reddit
Son joined AF, 12th Gen military.
Made sure he got a desk job.
eyehate@reddit
I am a vet. I am glad I did it.
But if I had the chance to do it over, I would have gone back to school.
BabyInchworm@reddit
My parents wouldn’t let me join the military. I have regretted that my whole life. My friends got college paid for, VA loans and other benefits. I got student loans.
theserialdeleter@reddit
But your body is intact, so there’s that!
Fish-Weekly@reddit
I knew a number of people who joined thinking it would only be one weekend a month and annual training. And then 911 happened and they got deployed to Iraq / Afghanistan. Some were deployed multiple times.
If he wants to join in order to serve, kudos to him for willing to step forward. I would make sure he understands the full possibilities of what that service can mean though.
OldFitDude75@reddit
I did 4 years active duty navy out of HS back in 1993 - 1997, got out for 18 years, then joined the air national guard in 2015. Best thing I ever did. Cheap or free health care, education paid for - even more so at a state school for the state you work for, and great skills to be learned. Do air guard instead of army. It’s the Hilton vs Tent experience.
ChuckYeagerWV@reddit
My niece joined the army and was in Afghanistan. injured her neck in a helicopter crash. Had to get private health insurance since the VA was so bad to deal with. Ended up getting 3 vertebrae fused on her dime.
Andovars_Ghost@reddit
I mean, yeah but I don’t think he’d get near as much abuse as active duty. I got banged up pretty good and lost some hearing but that was from my AD time and not my Reserves time. While all-in-all I appreciate and am proud of my time in uniform, I don’t know if I could recommend it to anyone in this current timeline.
groundhogcow@reddit
I have met many people who came out fine and in much better shape then when they went in.
My kid broke in the air force.
itwillmakesenselater@reddit
My kid was in Navy boot during Covid. All those kids got the shit end of the stick.
scully360@reddit
My son did 4 years Active Duty Army and then 3 years Ohio National Guard and is now a Deputy Sheriff with a county here in SW Ohio. Used the GI Bill to pay for the Ohio Police Academy. He doesn't regret a second of it.
CptBronzeBalls@reddit
Air Force NG is the way to go. You’re a hell of a lot more likely to come out without injuries and trauma, and with a skill that actually transfers to the civilian world.
h8movies@reddit
An 8 year commitment at 17. That would be a no for me. So much growth and life changes between 17/18 and 25/26.
in-a-microbus@reddit
My kid DOESN'T want to join the military. And I'm all like 'if you want to be a pilot you should join an organization that will train you to be a pilot'
Also his mom is against it
Complete_Wishbone_43@reddit
Are you comparing NG outcomes vs AD outcomes?
AD is a much greater commitment and you will see more wear and tear, obviously.
Is he considering starting NG and transitioning to AD?
Beautiful_Arm8364@reddit
Gen X Marine here: It depends on what his MOS would be. Also, unless he gets deployed, it's just one weekend a month and a two-week training thing during the summer.
Any idea what he actually wants to do? I'd be able to give you a way more accurate answer.
DancesWithPigs@reddit
I was Army infantry. Some guys do well and the military can help them meet their goals, I was one of those. That being said I am strongly discouraging my 17 year old son for even considering it.
FunOwl2026@reddit
Why does he want to join?
RidiculousDear@reddit
My now 31 year old son joined the Marine Corps right after high school. He came back from his second tour in the Middle East a different person. He has untreated ptsd and hasn’t been the same since.