Old cpu i found at work
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Found this old cpu at work. Its in decent condition and perfect paper weight.
Posted by BlueBerryVatten@reddit | vintagecomputing | View on Reddit | 88 comments
Found this old cpu at work. Its in decent condition and perfect paper weight.
pinko_zinko@reddit
collector's item
Many were scrapped for gold IIRC.
Istartedthewar@reddit
Checked ebay and a lot of listings mention gold recovery or similar in the title, so I guess they still are being scrapped.
NightmareJoker2@reddit
They are, if working, worth more for what they are than the value of their good content. Which is negligible, and just a coating, and really thin wires that connect silicon and package pins.
People still run these in production, and if they need a replacement they will pay a lot, because the equipment downtime costs them *way more*.
Jay_Buffay@reddit
Tf uses these in production?
Bitcoin__Dave@reddit
u really think there is a lot of these in prod still
_felixh_@reddit
It is said that Pentium Pros do indeed contain 0.3 grams of gold, so, that is a noteworthy amount - much higher than other ceramic CPUs!
u/Istartedthewar Thus, at current (elevated) prices, thats about ... 45 bucks. Most of them sell at higher prices though - don't even need to be in working condition. At least where i am living. which means scrapping them for gold would still be a stupid thing to do.
I am envious - mine doesn't even nearly look as nice - and it also has bent pins :-(
NightmareJoker2@reddit
You’re making the terrible calculation mistake of estimating value based on raw gold content, rather than raw gold content minus cost of extraction.
There are indeed people in India who do this sort of thing, with large amounts of electronics from landfills, which have even less gold content, and even they barely break even, after a subsidy from the government. Let’s not forget about the toxic chemicals involved that they subject themselves to.
ariadesitter@reddit
you don’t have to recover the gold.
what you have to do is find someone to buy it.
you can think of it as a “gold equivalent” not really gold itself, because of the work needed to extract the gold, cost of materials, then buyers bid.
so many people are trying to extract the gold that they will pay for the chip as a proportion of golds price.
think of it as 1 karat gold bullion.
not really valuable but if the gold is acknowledge and since the price of gold is so high it can sell for $48.
lif you bought it for $20 and sell it for $48 then it’s $28 bucks. not a get rich quick scheme. just another commodity.
NightmareJoker2@reddit
Yes, but as a gold refiner… I am not buying the gold, if I can’t profit from doing so. And that’s where this all falls apart.
Same with any other material you can harvest. Doing it with the metal slot brackets from computer expansion cards makes sense, quick, easy, no need to refine and process, but it’s probably also not worth the labor for the steel alone, *just to take the time to undo the screws and putting it in a bag, box, or what have you*. Remember stuff ends up in landfills for a reason: it’s cheaper than doing anything else, unless there’s a government subsidy.
Stuff is almost always worth more for what it is, than attempting to extract their raw materials. Even if it’s super cheap. There’s a reason why anything mass produced approaches the price of material costs. The price of the entire assembly line becomes an increasingly smaller fraction of the production costs, the more you make of it.
Yes, you could in theory apply this to waste processing, but unless we’re talking about battery or solar panel manufacturing, we’re not there yet. Because every government is shying away from the insane upfront investment to build the necessary machines to process all the world’s landfills, so there’s no worker hazards.
ariadesitter@reddit
i agree.
i have a stack of these chips and i never got around to attempting to recover the gold because it’s not as straightforward as youtube videos present it to be.
i’ve done digestion and quantitative analysis on metals. unless there is a qualified analysis of the final product the composition is a unknown.
mass recovery is meaningless without an accurate chemical analysis.
refining them isn’t the point.
reselling to other buyers is.
it’s a lot like crypto, except at the end there really is some value in these chips.
it may not offset the cost of refining but that just makes it uneconomical. like trying to recover pure silver from sterling silver. no need, just sell as sterling silver.
_felixh_@reddit
No, my Point was that there is an appreciable amount of Gold in there (and that scrapping them was worthwhile once upon a time). But now even with this unusually high gold content, the value as a rare collectable is higher.
Remember, those things were once sold by the Kilo.
Of course an amateur won't cut a profit refining these.
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If you buy these for their gold - no need to even scrap them. You could just, like, stockpile it as an investment, and then sell the whole CPU :-D
Istartedthewar@reddit
I saw ones listed with gold recovery for well over $45! I suppose just people on ebay trying to hyper-optimize their titles or something
randylush@reddit
If this sentence was confusing to anyone it should simply read:
VacantlyCloudy@reddit
I had always wanted a dual pentium pro board. Very cool that you found one.
Trick-Research-7352@reddit
I saw people running Xp on dual Pentium Pro machines, pay respect
Expensive_Shallot_78@reddit
Would have killed for this CPU in the 90s. Every benchmark was compared to this CPU.
apachelives@reddit
Ooooooo the 200mhz model with the larger 512k L2 cache. Socket 8.
Fun fact. First Intel CPU with the "P6" architecture, no MMX instructions, and it was kinda the AMD X3D of the 90's - on chip FULL speed L2 (before the K6-2+/K6-3). Architecture was later used in the Pentium 2 onward (but with off-die L2 cache at half speed requiring the "slot" or "card" processor package and Slot 1), but not related to the Pentium 4 (Netburst architecture) with P6 architecture going on to the Pentium M then Core architecture etc.
Also please stop touching the pins of you plan on selling or using it.
keloidoscope@reddit
Pentium Pro was an MCM design - the 512K cache variant had one CPU die and two 256K cache dies mounted in that package.
The first Intel CPUs to have L2 cache on the same die as the CPU were the Coppermine generation Celerons (128K) and Pentium III (256K).
brubakes@reddit
Wow, that's a flashback. I had at least a couple servers with this units I them back in my early tech days.
Low_Lie_6958@reddit
They already called that a microprocessor.... How would a non micro be?
Low_Lie_6958@reddit
I was not sure if that was the correct name for it, but but does that even exist? And how big would that be?
echo4thirty@reddit
Macroprocessor
GerardoAgraz@reddit
Beautiful
Front_Skill_8252@reddit
The FIRST gold-clad cpu.
Worth MILLIONS!
da_habakuk@reddit
omfg. now and then quite expensive :)
jfoust2@reddit
I have a stack of nine of them, what are they worth?
FactMuch6855@reddit
What form factor is the dual motherboard?
jfoust2@reddit
I think this is the motherboard... https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/supermicro-p6dnf
ExtraCaucasian@reddit
Sick find!
echo4thirty@reddit
Chonky Boi
Gr8fulFox@reddit
That would be sweet for a Windows NT 4 Workstation build!
graywolf0026@reddit
THE CHONK.
I remember cracking open a computer at school and seeing one of those in the lab (teacher's permission of course). What a beat.
Aezetyr@reddit
From another perspective: the gold lid and other accents, plus that purple silicon plate was gorgeous in its day. Still is.
Solid processor for native 32bit OS and apps.
TheMage18@reddit
These were surprisingly good CPUs until the Pentium II came out. They still held their own for a while.
refuge9@reddit
Mostly depending on what you were using it for. It ran 32 bit OS and applications very well, but it was slower clock for clock at 16 bit applications because it had to emulate 16 bit processing mode.
But a proper fully 32 bit OS plus applications like OS/2 or Windows NT, and it’s run circles around its other x86 competitors/contemporaries. PII is really just a P Pro with MMX instructions, and a on a slot based CPU interconnect.
TheMage18@reddit
Yeah, I did kind of gloss over/forget to mention that part. In all seriousness, the majority of folks getting Pentium Pros were already using NT or OS/2. They weren't running Win 3.1 or 95 anyways.
The P II a bit more cache not on die running at only half CPU clock speed. It's one of the factors that made itI lower priced, higher yields due to not having to scrap the whole CPU core because of a cache defect like the Pros with the cache on-die. The cache being separate meant Intel could just replace the cache chip(s) or CPU die if either failed testing/quality control and have less silicon waste.
R-ten-K@reddit
FWIW Pentium Pro didn’t have on die L2 cache, it was on package. The core die didn't need to be discarded because when defects in the L2, but the testing and packaging was expensive.
PII moved to a larger L2 cache at half the core speed, placed on a cartridge (Slot 1). That design was largely driven by cost and also to make it harder for x86 competitors like AMD to piggyback on the same socket/platform ecosystem, which had been possible with earlier designs.
Lord_Waldemar@reddit
Didn't the Pro have an extra die for the L2 in the package?
TheMage18@reddit
No, it was on-die/directly connected to the CPU. Part of the high cost of the Pros originally was due to cache failures during fabrication. Even just a small part of the cache being bad meant the whole CPU was bad and had to be scrapped. Low yields = high costs since they didn't have the ability to "turn off" defective parts like they could later on with the P II/Celeron series.
Lord_Waldemar@reddit
on-die would be something like the coppermine/tualatin P-III or K6-III onwards, the cache for the Pro was only glued to the package, but that was pobably already enough to make it expensive if it broke between packaging and bonding.
refuge9@reddit
Yep! And most people who paid enough to own a Pentium Pro usually were running a professional OS like NT anyways.
And yeah, ironically, one of the best PII CPUs was the Pentium Pro Overdrive upgrade chip, because it was basically a PII, with onboard cache like a PPro. Companies would slap those upgrade chips in their dual CPU servers and basically get Xeon level upgrades without replacing the whole server.
TheMage18@reddit
Ohh interesting! I've seen the Pentium Pro Overdrives before, didn't realize they had the cache onboard though. Makes sense given the package format. Fascinating, makes me wonder how much of a performance hit was suffered being stuck with 72-pin SIMM/EDO instead of newer SDRAM.
mats_o42@reddit
I still have my dual PPRO with SCSI disk, CD rom and CD Burner.
I ran NT on it and my buddy with a PII and IDE + win 95/98 could never understand how I could Burn CD:s playing music from the other one and compile code at the same time.
NT did proper SMP and the SCSI subsystem wasn't that CPU dependant
Lovethecreeper@reddit
As far as I understand, the Pentium Pro was Intel's attempt to compete with various RISC processors (used primarily in Unix Workstations, but even Windows NT found itself running on RISC CPUs like the DEC Alpha) that were in many tasks much faster than the standard Pentium in performance. They weren't really competing in the standard PC space, they were competing primarily in a higher end market than the standard PC.
FlyByPC@reddit
Yep. PII is basically a PPro with MMX and a slot form factor.
tes_kitty@reddit
They had a bit of a problem with 16 Bit software, a normal Pentium was faster with it.
If you ran purely 32 Bit software it was a good CPU.
TheMage18@reddit
Yeah, I did forget to mention that.
webjester32@reddit
Back when the P-Pro was king, a dad of a friend of mine was letting us build a PC. We asked sort of rhetorically if we could get a Pro 200, his reply was hilarious and introduced me to the term “druthers”.
“Boys, if I had my druthers I’d buy you all Pentium Pro 200’s!”
That line has always stuck with me.
Marco-YES@reddit
You're calling it a paperweight? Do you know which sub you're in?
FlyByPC@reddit
It's a monster DOS machine chip. The second machine I ever built was a PPro, to replace my '486.
acidmine@reddit
It's an absolute waste in DOS. The PPro is a workstation CPU and really shines with 32-bit code (WinNT, Linux, etc.) There was a notable flaw in the design that caused a pipeline flush for every instruction when running 16-bit code and as a result far cheaper and easier to find Pentium CPUs with lower clock speeds would beat them when running in DOS. To really see what this CPU can do, give it some 32-bit code to run.
R-ten-K@reddit
FYI The P6 pipeline flushes happened when 16 and 32 bit instructions were next to each other, if you had kernels with a bunch of 16 bit instructions only that filled the pipeline, it would be OKish and it didn't need to flush. But that would have required a recompile.
Most PPro were not very good DOS gaming machines mostly because of the Chipset. Which had slow video writes for the 256 color VGA mode, and that is what most of DOS games at that time were targeting.
AppropriateCap8891@reddit
These were also very popular in small servers. I sold a lot of servers to places like law offices, real estate offices, and retail locations in the late 1990s and early 2000s. If you needed a server to support 5-25 users, those were actually great choices.
I even saw one in around 2016 that was still running the POS and accounting system at a local grocery store. Was also the last location in the wild I saw OS/2 still used daily.
mrmichaelrb@reddit
Not every 16-bit instruction. Just the instructions that wrote partial registers. And, I'm pretty sure they caused stalls, not flushes.
acidmine@reddit
I think the operation being performed determined whether a stall or flush happened. The PPro used a Register Alias Table (RAT) to map its internal registers to x86 registers and didn't expect 'halfsies'. I speculate that reading stalled, and writing flushed. Even with a clock speed advantage and stupid fast L2 cache the PPro would manage to lose in benchmarks to slower Pentiums on software that heavily leveraged 16-bit code. It's hard to believe that a pipeline stall (12-stages) could inflict that steep of a penalty but totally believable that a flush would. Getting a 12 clock-cycle penalty thrown into the mix would pretty quickly erase all those speed advantages.
FlyByPC@reddit
Yeah, I guess I was running OS/2 then and most of my 16-bit apps didn't need great performance anyway.
abagofcells@reddit
That's really interesting. I've never seen OS/2 run on anything newer than 486's. It seemed to have lost it's steam once newer CPU's came out. What did you use it for?
LoudSheepherder5391@reddit
Os/2 warp 4 came out a year after this processor...
acidmine@reddit
OS/2 was mostly 32-bit (except for WIN-OS2) so it would have been perfectly fine for that.
AlienInvasionExpert@reddit
Many DOS games run in protected mode using tools such as DOS4GW so I believe these would get a taste of the 32-bit boost as well.
TorazChryx@reddit
Notably it was _the_ chip for Quake, at least until Pentium 2 launched
secondhandoak@reddit
It's all about the Pentiums
The_Grungeican@reddit
secondhandoak@reddit
Yes, yes I do, and now I work in IT. Thank you Weird Al and 90s computer culture.
The_Grungeican@reddit
PoloGator@reddit
I'm actually still running a dual Pentium Pro Overdrive box with FreeBSD as a functional backup server.
Great chips even into this era for non-compute intensive server functions. Shame 32-bit support is pretty much ending for the *nixes over the next couple of years...
ElGuano@reddit
I had a pentium 90, upgraded to this for Quake.
Away-Ad-3407@reddit
i had a dual ppro as my BeOS box. regret selling - but needed the scratch many moons ago
stalkythefish@reddit
I ran BeOS as my daily driver for like 3 years. It was like Linux but without all the annoying shit about Linux, like X-windows and overzealous file permissions/needlessly multi-user-centric, and no good multimedia support. Reluctantly moved on to MacOS-X for the same reasons afterward.
Away-Ad-3407@reddit
one of the most incredible things was to kick the crap out of the system and the gui remained responsive.
Spkr_Freekr@reddit
You are taking me back with the BeOS. I loved that operating system and really wish it had caught on.
Darkstar1878@reddit
I have many of those :) and still work
blakespot@reddit
Now THAT is a CPU.
stalkythefish@reddit
I always marveled at the size of those things back in the day. It didn't surprise me at all that they went to a cartridge format for the Pentium 2.
Shuatheskeptic@reddit
The "Big chip" Pentium. That was the first Pentium processor owned. Quite a step up from the old 386.
LeQuack90@reddit
I always wanted one as a kid
rchiwawa@reddit
Fancier, but not fanciest, 512K edition. Nice.
pfak@reddit
Those things were fun in dual socket configurations.
fivetriplezero@reddit
Have one. Can confirm.
DecentlySpaghetti@reddit
That ain't no paperweight. Build a dual pentium pro to have the ultimate quad pentium build!
With terrible performance, of course.
acidmine@reddit
Performance wouldn't be terrible with period-correct OS and software. If you build a dual PPro workstation and run NT 3.51 on it with some CAD or design software from that era it will be incredible. Stuff will run so fast compared to how it did with 486s it almost feels like a cheat code for computing.
HorseCatFish@reddit
Just go for the ALR 6x6
This-Requirement6918@reddit
I don't think I ever realized how big these are or
^how small your hands are?
No-Goat-7530@reddit
EVEN THINK ABOUT USING IT AS A DOOR STOPPER AND ILL COME SNATCH IT FROM YOU
ExpensiveFroyo3513@reddit
Mets le sous verre,
MrWonderfulPoop@reddit
They were neat but ran very hot. I found that out the hard way.
to3cutter@reddit
Now go back and find his motherboard
Coupe368@reddit
Its not old, its classic.