‘Point of no return’: New Orleans relocation must start now due to sea level, study finds
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KierONeil_the_Elder@reddit
Louisiana is ultra conservative and they believe climate Change is a hoax. New Orleans people are doomed due to anti-intellectualism and neglect.
BlackDS@reddit
I think you sort of have to believe in that looney shit to live in a place like New Orleans or Florida. Otherwise why would you stay when you know the risks are existential in nature? All the deluded people flock there
Elevated_Dongers@reddit
Darwanism at work
HoundOfGod@reddit
Cheeseboarder@reddit
That’s not what I’m saying at all.
HoundOfGod@reddit
I think you replied to the wrong person.
Cheeseboarder@reddit
If only it took out the right people exclusively
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
I feel like this is an over-generalization. As someone that moved to New Orleans, I have come to realize that Louisiana in general is actually not as red as people imagine. The voter suppression is just brutal here and the government is so corrupt that most people are completely disillusioned and have no sense of political power. Only 18% of the state voted for the current governor, and only 36% voted in that election at all.
The only thing that’s gonna help this situation is for people in Louisiana to completely divest from the current 2 party system and build a new one. And it’s already happening, the socialist party in the state is growing and is met quite well by the majority of people they interact with.
KierONeil_the_Elder@reddit
I appreciate you giving your lived experience in Louisiana. You would have a better feel for the people there. I think you’re right. Whenever republicans get control of a state they immediately change the system in their favor and they don’t care about the optics. Still makes me wonder why any average Joe would vote for them. Not fun fact: Louisiana’s incarceration rate it’s double the already sky high US average. Last I checked it was 1400 people incarcerated per 100k people. For reference, the EU average of ~100.
pyrotechnic15647@reddit
Yes, after studying the procedural aspect of the American electoral system pretty in-depth in college, I realized that Republicans would have a hard time winning almost any major seat in this country without the help of undemocratic procedural constraints. It was quite sad for me to realize that most people here aren’t even seriously Republican, they literally just have no hope and think their voice doesn’t matter. The upside to that is it’s a lot easier to knock of people’s doors and get them involved with the socialists than it is in a stereotypically progressive Blue state.
And yeah the prison rates are sky high here because the state loves privatizing everything, including prisons. So they blatantly use prisoners for a massive amount of free labor. There are literally black men picking cotton in fields at Angola prison. However, where there is great suppression, there is great resistance. California and New York will not be the states to once and for all lash out against the American oligarchy. It’s more than likely going to be incredibly impoverished “conservative” states like Louisiana, or blue states that face heavy suppression from the federal government such as Minnesota or Oregon.
EchoesOfEleos@reddit
I love the Louisiana and Mississippi coast. So so so much. My soul feels full there. It's hard to explain. I would have moved there if it was for the reality of well everything. It's a tragedy of what we will lose.
Romano16@reddit
It’s so weird that people voluntarily move to the South/Sunbelt when the planet is only getting hotter, the sea is rising, and the tornadoes/hurricanes are only getting stronger and at the same time deny climate change.
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
I just moved from Phoenix to the North Dakota region specifically because I wanted to get out before the panic sets in and my home still held value. I also felt very uneasy every summer for the past 3 years down there. It’s so very obviously getting worse every year
Drycabin1@reddit
My sister and her family left Phoenix in 2013 after living there 10 years. She was getting nervous about the availability of water and hotter and hotter summers. Has it gotten worse since then?
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
Oh yeah much worse, 2024 was when it was so obviously noticeable that I think started to permeate into mainstream awareness. I moved there in 2018 and i don’t remember the sky being a disgusting brownish yellow 24/7 back then. When I left the haze was so thick most days that you couldn’t see the surrounding mountains. I lived in surprise so the white tanks were only about 5 miles away and I still couldn’t see them. The cost of cooling a house in the summer is insane now too and APS keeps making solar less affordable
Drycabin1@reddit
Wow, I never saw the sky look like that and I visited about 3x a year from 2004 to 2012!
Previous-Pomelo-7721@reddit
This was one of the last photos I took before leaving, from January this year, from the white tanks looking out above the haze
Drycabin1@reddit
Whoa. Thank you for sharing.
NotWifeMaterial@reddit
I lived there for a couple years and was absolutely paranoid about the grid crashing and not having electricity because if you don’t have air conditioning there you die ~ good on you!
Middle-Bed-1883@reddit
Lmao my sister moved from NJ to “the great free state of Florida” last August. Doesn’t need to be said, but she’s an idiot.
joemangle@reddit
For a lot of people, social reality feels more real than ecological reality
Until the ecological reality punctures their social reality, that is
TanneriteTed@reddit
And then we will hear a lot of crying about "why didnt someone warn us!?"
Lost_Birthday_3138@reddit
This is exactly my prediction. The billionaires will find a way to blame scientists for not warning us hard enough, and the morons will eat it up like they always do.
FeralHippie707@reddit
The morons will be dead.
sleepytipi@reddit
Unfortunately a lot of people are that ignorant because they've loved very fortunate and sheltered lives. They're not privy to the alarm bells bc they can't hear them inside their posh bubbles. This is largely in part to inherited wealth, which means these people will have an air conditioned shelter to hide in and the money to pay the rising bills. Whereas the people who are most privy to climate change bc it's their everyday struggle won't have nice cushy air conditioned dormitories and cars to hide in, and will be the first to suffer and die.
FeralHippie707@reddit
The billionaires are dreaming if they think that they are immune from what is coming. They can afford air conditioning as long as there is electricity. When the grid goes down, they can shift to backup power until they run out of fuel. When the financial system collapses, the billionaires will find that they have nothing that is valued by the rest of the world.
Working-Step-2873@reddit
wishful thinking. billionaires will keep benefitting from everything bad that happens to humanity one way or another. civilization has collapsed in the past and it has always been exploited by the rich regardless. passivity will always be the doom of peasants. karma doesnt exist.
Gyirin@reddit
the rich won't survive biodiversity collapse.
Working-Step-2873@reddit
they won't suffer the brunt of it either. while we experience the apocalypse, they'll just enjoy a peaceful end.
Notorious_Chonk_23@reddit
You do realize it isn't just literal cash that they have, right? But like, actual assets? Food, water, electricity, medicine, the means of production for all of the above things? ...right?
It's wishful thinking &/or ignorance to think the rich & powerful are only that way on paper, and that changing a 1 to a 0 will suddenly render them all impoverished.
Big_Cryptographer_16@reddit
And coming soon…robot guard dogs. With enough solar or other power generation off the grid, they will be ok for a while. But there will be a LOT of pissed off people still around when they emerge
sleepytipi@reddit
I think the best they can hope for is their wealth and resources enable them to ride out the brunt of the storm in their super bunkers, then once the herd has been culled they'll return to surface and rise as fuedal lords. At least, I'm sure that's the thinking.
I wonder how many of their underground complexes utilize the water table for hydroelectricity 🤔
kokirikorok@reddit
With enough luck
darkomyfriend@reddit
Honestly, what a shitty thing to say.
okiepilgrim@reddit
Maybe so. But if someone is holding onto an anchor as hard as they can and then they attach themselves and that anchor to you, are you really sad to see them die? Is it a bad thing overall for humanity? Nature is cruel and this is just natural selection.
Candid-Mycologist539@reddit
If the billionaires haven't divested themselves of risky property investments along the coastline, they will have the government supplement their losses (like after Katrina).
And they will simultaneously advocate that "there are winners and losers in Capitalism," so the government shouldn't regular people who have lost their homes.
Candid-Mycologist539@reddit
And inevitably, "The gub'mint needs to help us!" (by buying our house for whatever it's valuation was six months ago so we can move elsewhere with money in our pocket!)
Disclaimer: I'm all for helping people who are victims of natural disasters, but when it was all predicted decades ago (global warming, rising sea levels, losing coastline), and they consistently voted against the science, it's hard to not let "natural consequences" take their course.
didureaditv2@reddit
Well everyone listens to somebody.
There are such things as cultural leaders which speak for a cultural group.
They are the ones who've let their constituents down.
TanneriteTed@reddit
Nah, this shit has been discussed my whole life. The information has been out there long enough for every individual to "do their own research" and come to the proper conclusion. Quit giving free passes to the people who will lecture you about personal responsibility.
SomeRandomGuydotdot@reddit
We have very concentrated amounts of power and resources in our society.
There has been an abdication of responsibility by the political class.
Differentiating between the responsibilities of individuals and that of political leadership is important for contextualizing the situation I think.
didureaditv2@reddit
Well you're not wrong.
2xtc@reddit
As a young child in the early 90s the changing climate/global warming etc. was one of my biggest fears about growing up because it seemed so inevitable if people didn't listen to the advice and change the way the world works.
30 years on I've seen no evidence of these 'cultural leaders' making any significant difference and the world is in a much worse position. What's changed is that I'm now an adult am realise it's individuals like me who need to be that change and loudly bore on about what needs to happen, because relying on group mentality from a few leaders only leads to a glacial pace of change for which the world cannot afford to wait.
Sol_Infra@reddit
"The state and local government need to do something about this."
adherentoftherepeted@reddit
I saw a YoutTube science video yesterday that demonstrates the science that shows our reasoning is built for social problem solving, not logic problem solving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOiCFa5niuM Super interesting.
lntw0@reddit
Did she buy or rent?
Middle-Bed-1883@reddit
Renting. She’s been shit with money her whole life (she’s close to 60 now) and spent way beyond her means so no way she’s buying.
lntw0@reddit
Well it likely paid off for her this time. Good luck trying to sell or insure a place in FL. I'm in UT(rent) and I'm hearing murmers about residential wildfire coverage doubling in some areas.
IsuzuTrooper@reddit
When survival time hits she will be able to fish and she also won't freeze in the winter, so there's that.
eu_sou_ninguem@reddit
What fish?
-sussy-wussy-@reddit
Invasive lionfish?
IsuzuTrooper@reddit
The ocean ones
alexanfaye@reddit
I tried in vain to reason with people in the Maryland subreddit who were discussing an exodus to Florida. they want to leave a state with inland options that only gets the after effects of hurricanes if at all for that exposed uninsurable peninsula? it just doesn’t add up logically. they just think ‘paradise, slow living’ and don’t think anything beyond that. It’s bafflingly stupid to me. They might as well move to Phoenix, AZ.
TheColdestFeet@reddit
Yeah but florida is doing a fire sale on human life, why don't you want to get yours? Scared of being cannibalized by drowning seniors and methheads?
rooftopgoblin@reddit
hope you have room for her when shes an inevitable climate refugee sometime in the next 25 years
Middle-Bed-1883@reddit
Lmao she can pull herself up from some bootstraps or something. She’s disowned one of her kids because he’s not straight. Refused to let him move down with her because “people in Florida are older and wouldn’t understand” which is a crock of shit. He’s living with my 82 year old parents now…shes mom of the year for sure. I’ll be giving her some of that same energy right back at her when she needs help. She’s also very anti-vax yet an RN. Makes my head spin.
rooftopgoblin@reddit
yeah people in florida wouldn't understand gays, definitely no large vibrant gay communities in florida basically since the US was founded no sir
HardlyRecursive@reddit
Why? It's not like it's going to be flooded next year or next decade. Lots of people are existing there fine, it's not Venus.
spacecoq@reddit
So when it gets bad, she just moves again… I don’t understand why you’re hating on your sister.
NJ kinda sucks.
Middle-Bed-1883@reddit
I’m hating on her because I’ve known her for 50 some odd years and I know what she’s like, anti-intellectual and anti-vax RN who disowned her son for not being straight. Wonderful person.
NJ is not for everyone but aside from how much it costs to live here it doesn’t really suck.
International_Ad2712@reddit
Is she more free?
Middle-Bed-1883@reddit
The free-est ever. Nothing woke in her life!
rooftopgoblin@reddit
hope you have room for her when shes an inevitable climate refugee sometime in the next 25 years
imdugud777@reddit
I liked living in florida but I hated living in Florida.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit
I keep hearing people talk about how great Florida is.
Yeah… just waiting for half the state to get wiped out.
Active_Shopping7439@reddit
"I got a great price on an uninsurable home in the Atlantic Ocean!"
dannyjohnson1973@reddit
She did upgrade from NJ.
FeralHippie707@reddit
Buy her an inflatable boat for her birthday. She's gonna need it sooner or later.
geft@reddit
They move to where it's cheap. Most people can't comprehend how climate change will shape the area 10 years down the road unless insurers stop insuring.
SeVenMadRaBBits@reddit
Ocean current slowing down massively.
If ocean currents, particularly the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), stopped, it would trigger a catastrophic, irreversible climate crisis. Europe would freeze with temperatures dropping up to 20°C, sea levels on the U.S. East Coast would rise rapidly, the Amazon would suffer extreme drought, and global ecosystems would collapse.
Major Environmental and Global Consequences:
Profound European Cooling: The halt of heat transport from the tropics would cause severe cooling in Europe, creating winters so cold they could resemble an ice age. Rapid Sea Level Rise: Water would accumulate along the eastern seaboard of the United States, raising sea levels by up to half a meter.
Shifting Tropical Rain Belts: Dramatic shifts in tropical rains would lead to severe droughts in some regions (like the Amazon) and floods in others, disrupting agricultural production.
Severe Marine Ecosystem Disruption: Ocean life would suffer, as the nutrient transport that supports marine ecosystems would stop. Increased Storm Severity: Despite cooling in the north, tropical water would become warmer, intensifying hurricanes and creating more severe weather.
Why Currents Might Stop:
Ocean currents depend on a "conveyor belt" of sinking cold, salty water. Climate change-induced melting of polar ice introduces fresh water into the ocean, reducing its density and preventing the water from sinking, which can shut down the circulation. Recent studies suggest an AMOC collapse is a real possibility due to global warming, with a significant risk of occurring in the coming century.
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SeVenMadRaBBits@reddit
Research shows it may happen mid century (2050) and wouldnt restart for a century/centuries.
Would explain billionaires underground bunkers and haste for AI/working robotics since most of the human workforce would not survive or function well on the surface to make/build anything necessary for them to continue surviving of they did.
nerdpox@reddit
You are aware that normies literally just do not think about this right?
voidsong@reddit
The same kind of people who smoked marlboros and ate garbage all their life only to act surprised when the entirely predictable consequences arrive.
lntw0@reddit
So true, I constantly have to check myself at social gatherings.
existing_for_fun@reddit
Most people don't think about it.
Then the people that DO think about it wonder how the hell anyone else would do XYZ because OBVIOUSLY there is the (Insert Crisis Issue)
10deCorazones@reddit
They don’t think about it because our institutions are downplaying it. Thanks mainly to the GOP.
gittenlucky@reddit
The history of phoenix is pretty interesting. At first you think “who in their right mind would live here”…. It makes sense year by year, but long term it’s a terrible idea.
FeralHippie707@reddit
A long time ago, people moved there to get away from allergens back east. They brought all the weeds and trees that they were allergic to with them.
a_library_socialist@reddit
And now Phoenix has some of the worst pollen counts around.
Immigrants ruined Arizona - but I mean the ones from the midwest, not the Mexicans (who were there first).
Fickle_Stills@reddit
🤔 doesn't Arizona still have indigenous populations? Mexicans are descendants of European immigrants.
Pugilist12@reddit
Phoenix and Tucson should not exist. They are monuments to Man’s arrogance.
a_library_socialist@reddit
Tucson as a small ciudad could work. As a metropolis, no way.
Interesting_Debate57@reddit
I think you probably misunderstand Tucson.
XavierRussell@reddit
Yep, I always wanted to live on Tucson but never could bring myself to
a_library_socialist@reddit
heh my family lived there before AC . . . .
There were ways to live there, but they didn't match what most people wanted. And there's no way without CAP that the Valley could have sustained millions, even with the water estimates of the 1950s that were later shown to be wildly off actual averages.
Phoenix is going to die - it's a question not of if, but when.
BlackDS@reddit
Some people are really fucking stupid.
Small-Palpitation310@reddit
They’ll all be moving to the Great Lakes Watershed in 20 years.
Skrappyross@reddit
My smart leftist friend with a young child just moved to Florida and is planning to buy a house. I don't get it. Meanwhile, I'm looking to move to the great lakes and start a backyard garden. If I can find work there that is.
new2bay@reddit
Tell them good luck getting homeowner's insurance.
Anxious_cactus@reddit
Phoenix Arizona has been literally deemed as "incompatible with life" a few years ago by climate scientists yet people are still moving there in heaps.
new2bay@reddit
I seem to remember reading once that given the population of Phoenix versus the number of roads leading out, it would be literally impossible to evacuate the city should the need arise.
Schmoova@reddit
As someone born and raised in Phoenix and still in the general area, do you have any more insight on the area specifically?
Obviously I’m aware of the insane heat and everything, but I haven’t heard much about how Phoenix specifically could be affected with the ecological changes coming in the next couple decades.
I plan on moving away when I can), but I’m definitely curious about how it might be affected in the near-future.
relianceschool@reddit
Under 2 °C of warming, Maricopa county is projected to experience an additional 22 days over 95 °F, bringing the total to 150 days/year (and in the top 1% of heat in the nation). Even at low humidity, that's the temperature at which we begin to experience health risks from heat, especially under exertion (or for younger/older folks). The energy needed to run AC continuously is also a concern for the power grid.
Phoenix is also struggling with drought, and some development has been abandoned due to lack of water availability. The Phoenix metro also gets a significant portion of its water from the Colorado river, which is currently in a state of crisis; this is only going to get worse as rainfall is projected to decrease in this region.
If I had to guess, I would put Phoenix in the top 10%, possibly the top 5% of climate risk in the nation.
bermpan@reddit
Most people are dumber than you'd like to believe.
sjackson12@reddit
lower cost of living (at least for now)
justrichie@reddit
Probably because most people focus on cost of living rather than climate.
Romano16@reddit
The current low cost of living is temporary. Even insurance companies are starting to not cover homes and various other properties due to climate.
So essentially soon millions will have to more north at a loss because nobody is going to want to buy a home in an area insurance won’t insure.
darkomyfriend@reddit
I find that communities like this one really lack socioeconomic or cultural context as to why people may be making the decisions that they’re making. A very large portion of people in the US, and especially the south, don’t even have the kind of money that would allow them to move anywhere, even if the current low cost of living is temporary. This doesn’t even touch on the support network of friends and family that these same people rely on, which they would lose by moving away.
For most of these people, they won’t be moving at a loss so much… they’ll be driven into homelessness and migrate to other areas of the country as climate refugees.
justrichie@reddit
You're right but sadly, Americans generally think short term and don't factor this stuff.
Lebrunski@reddit
When a 750sqft house in Maine is going for 375k, it makes the south a tad bit more appealing. Living up north is expensive becuade generally people want to live up here.
SamSlams@reddit
Where in Maine is a tiny house going for that much!!?? I'm in Western Pa and the average price I've been seeing for a house, in my town (about 20 minutes from dahntown) is around the 200k mark. Hell, there's a house two streets down from me that's 900 square feet and is going for 160k.
Lebrunski@reddit
Around the greater Portland area. Not even Portland proper, but like 20 min away.
Atomichawk@reddit
As a Coloradan currently that feels cheap lmao
roblewk@reddit
This subject fascinates me to no end.
usrnamechecksout_@reddit
People want immediate gratification. Climste change isn't dramatically noticeable from year to year. They're not worried about 20-30 years from now.
roblewk@reddit
And when a scientist says something that will occur at the turn of the century, it may as well be a thousand years. This despite 74 years is within the lifespan of today’s children.
kingtacticool@reddit
Its the whole 'it won't happen to me' bs
Arexahhh@reddit
I always think about this when people say they’re moving to Arizona. Like the hottest place in the US that’s running out of water rapidly… Darwin’s exceptions, what are ya gunna do
Schapsouille@reddit
It's not an accident that Americans have a climate change denier as a president.
va_wanderer@reddit
People will be living in NO until the ocean floats the graveyards out into the Gulf.
Drycabin1@reddit
I have lived here for going on four years, and this is true. The people here love it, and even if they leave, they come back. They can’t get food that tastes like this anywhere else and during Mardi Gras season (New Year’s to Fat Tuesday,) people wear purple, green, and gold everything all the time.
It’s weird, I’ve enjoyed it, but the infrastructure is awful. Like, it starts raining and streets all over Metairie flash flood immediately. Same in New Orleans, where the pumps just don’t seem to work with any regularity. We’re on our way to North Florida on the east coast and I’m looking forward to it.
rougarou-te-fou@reddit
Yes. I can’t imagine living elsewhere nearly to this point. It’s an IYKYK kind of thing.
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
Deniers will continue to deny until it's too late for them. Always has been the case.
ZenApe@reddit
And they'll be living on the rooftops of submerged buildings and riding john oats through the new canals after that.
bodybyxbox@reddit
Now that inspires a different prophecy: Houses worthless, no jobs but no also bills, the folks still there live off grid, on their roofs and in shanty towns above them. Solar panels everywhere. Growing vegetables in desalinstead zones that are harvested in your solar powered john boat...
Sorry, your post just made me blackout and go a little r/solarpunk
va_wanderer@reddit
Honestly, people lived in the bayous, probably some figure out living in the New Swampleans.
TanteJu5@reddit
Louisiana has already lost roughly 2,000 square miles of land since the 1930s. The study projects the loss of 3 quarters of the state's remaining coastal wetlands.
The Port of South Louisiana is amongst the largest volume shipping ports in the Western Hemisphere crucial for the export of American agricultural and petrochemical products. Moving this infrastructure would disrupt the national economy for years.
Hey, as usual, the poorest and most vulnerable populations. Wealthier residents have the means to sell early, secure jobs elsewhere and move to desirable locations.
It's time for me to shine and invest in property in that region as property values would plummet to zero.
kylerae@reddit
I am so glad you brought up the port. Although moving all of the people that live in the area is going to be a major project, moving the critical infrastructure like The Port of South Louisiana, is on a whole other level. Deep water ports are so important and moving large infrastructure like that will be essential and difficult. The government could theoretically leave the individual civilians on their own (which we shouldn't do, but I could see happening), but relocating the port will be necessary and cannot just be abandoned. Plus we will likely need to figure a way to move it multiple times, as the sea level rises.
TanteJu5@reddit
Yeah, the port isn't a single dock. It's a sprawling district that spans 54 miles of the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. It handles roughly 60% of all US grain exports. If this port stops functioning, the agricultural supply chain of the entire American Midwest effectively chokes. Its the 2nd largest energy transfer site in the US tightly woven into an immovable web of refineries, storage tanks and interstate pipelines that converge specifically at that geographic point.
As the sea level rises and the wetlands vanish, the Gulf essentially marches north. If the coastline migrates 60 miles inland, the current port becomes open ocean and any new port built further north will eventually face the exact same threat a few decades later.
The government would choose the Fortress approach. It's easier to justify a $50 billion seawall to Congress than to convince agricultural and petrochemical lobbies to completely rebuild their $500 billion supply chains from scratch. Adapting to collapse as engineers will have to simulate how changing temperatures, increased storm intensities and shifting sediment loads will interact with massive, rigid concrete structures.
The fatal flaw of the Fortress is that the land beneath it isn't just threatened by rising water, it's physically sinking subsidence. You can build a wall against the ocean but you cant stop the ground from dissolving beneath the wall. Eventually, the cost of maintenance becomes mathematically unsustainable.
Fox_Kurama@reddit
Sounds like more than just the fortress, you need a lock system too. Those ships still have to be on water when they are docking.
kylerae@reddit
For sure! Moving people always gets brought up. Probably because it feels like it will be the most complex part and also probably because of the human aspect of it. But the relocation of our coastal infrastructure largely gets overlooked.
The sinking land is a good thing to point out. I also would say the worsening weather conditions will also make building the wall and maintaining it a more tenuous prospect.
And to think these decisions and projects will need to be started and implemented in probably the next 50 years, some sooner or later depending on the location. We like to talk about the improbability of a full replacement with renewable tech, but very rarely talk about the impossibility of adequately relocating all of the coastal infrastructure and the population.
nakedonmygoat@reddit
But even if corporations were willing to move the infrastructure, you don't "just move" a deepwater port. You have to have a channel deep and wide enough for it before any talk of infrastructure can even happen.
Also, you can't have a port without people, and people have to live somewhere. That means not just homes, but schools, stores, roads, a hospital or two, etc, etc.
If the US wants to keep this port, they're going to need excellent planning and heavy investment, neither of which I foresee happening, at least not until the problem reaches crisis levels, at which point there may be too many other crises going on to spare much effort on the Port of New Orleans.
Reasonable-Ad-2592@reddit (OP)
Due to sea level rise, New Orleans will be surrounded by the sea within a few decades. People are already moving away, but a systematic process of relocation must start today, since measures of adaptation cannot guarantee the safety of the inhabitants of New Orleans.
That should be enough and I do not want to write more about this interesting and important article. Thank you very much.
aBuddhistPerspective@reddit
Lol, planning?
KierONeil_the_Elder@reddit
Republicans push all the risk down to individuals. The people of New Orleans will get zero help from the government. They will get flooded, lose almost everything, and have to figure out how to survive, on their own. Maybe one day they’ll vote for a responsive government but they’re locked into hyper-individualism, aka “You’re on your own”, for the near future.
anyfox7@reddit
Government is not a better alternative, nearly a worse outcome relying on politicians who are not only constantly on the wrong side of history but also dragging us into the opposite direction. Where's out hope rest when fascism and neoliberalism are the only options to choose?
Positronic_Matrix@reddit
Your false dichotomy imprisons you.
anyfox7@reddit
If it's not capitalism and governments leading to collapse then perhaps you can offer an explanation of the cause.
yogapastor@reddit
Trust me, New Orleans does not vote Republican. The rest of the state does. See also: gerrymandering.
kaamkerr@reddit
True, but New Orleans does have an interesting history of Mayors
Maxsmack@reddit
See also: ~~gerrymandering~~ how to “legally” rig an election*
Fixed that for you
fattmarrell@reddit
We need a New NEW Orleans NNOLA
plinkoplonka@reddit
The irony is, the Netherlands are also on reclaimed land.
Nobody is telling them to move, largely because the money they bring in, they spend on their infrastructure.
kaamkerr@reddit
New Orleans hosted many of the Dutch experts as consultants in a project called the “Dutch Dialogues,” and it was setting up to be a really transformative platform. Then a new mayoral administration came in and dropped it all.
bannana@reddit
In many cases that land was completely manufactured by them and they also have hundreds of years of successfully dealing with keeping water from where it should not be - the US does not.
daviddjg0033@reddit
Netherlands has put up the best fight in Europe. I admire your country. Leonsimons8 is a great guy to watch climate videos with Dan on Sundays. One listener asked him to comment as a person who lives on a "Tuvalu-nation" sea level.
Why do you not simply build islands to the North?
Since 2014 China has constructed 7 major artificial islands in the Spratly Islands and built roughly 20 bases Paracel Islands, transforming over 3,200 acres of reef into land. These militarized sites include runways, harbors, and radar facilities, strengthening their control over the South China. Satellite imagery going back to November 2025 shows Chinese dredgers building a crescent-shaped island on Antelope Reef in the Paracels, a cluster of islands and reefs where China, Taiwan and Vietnam have competing claims.
This phenomenon never ends well.
pippopozzato@reddit
I know it is wrong but as soon as I read the title I started to laugh out loud.
SeVenMadRaBBits@reddit
Ocean current slowing down massively.
If ocean currents, particularly the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), stopped, it would trigger a catastrophic, irreversible climate crisis. Europe would freeze with temperatures dropping up to 20°C, sea levels on the U.S. East Coast would rise rapidly, the Amazon would suffer extreme drought, and global ecosystems would collapse.
Major Environmental and Global Consequences:
Profound European Cooling: The halt of heat transport from the tropics would cause severe cooling in Europe, creating winters so cold they could resemble an ice age. Rapid Sea Level Rise: Water would accumulate along the eastern seaboard of the United States, raising sea levels by up to half a meter.
Shifting Tropical Rain Belts: Dramatic shifts in tropical rains would lead to severe droughts in some regions (like the Amazon) and floods in others, disrupting agricultural production.
Severe Marine Ecosystem Disruption: Ocean life would suffer, as the nutrient transport that supports marine ecosystems would stop. Increased Storm Severity: Despite cooling in the north, tropical water would become warmer, intensifying hurricanes and creating more severe weather.
Why Currents Might Stop:
Ocean currents depend on a "conveyor belt" of sinking cold, salty water. Climate change-induced melting of polar ice introduces fresh water into the ocean, reducing its density and preventing the water from sinking, which can shut down the circulation. Recent studies suggest an AMOC collapse is a real possibility due to global warming, with a significant risk of occurring in the coming century.
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SeVenMadRaBBits@reddit
Research shows it may happen mid century (2050) and wouldnt restart for a century/centuries.
Would explain billionaires underground bunkers and haste for AI/working robotics since most of the human workforce would not survive or function well on the surface to make/build anything necessary for them to continue surviving if they did.
Popular_Dirt_1154@reddit
and i'm sure you actually read and could cite this research you claim to have seen and didn't just have google ai tell you everything, or would that be a foolish thing to believe?
PenaltyFine3439@reddit
I feel like 2005 was the perfect opportunity to listen to mother nature.
I get it, people are poor or whatever. But I'd say being dead and under water is probably worse.
-Planet-@reddit
Gulf of Mexico? What's that?
roblewk@reddit
The once and future Gulf of Mexico once the American dictator is deposed.
-Planet-@reddit
I see people can't detect my that i was being facetious. Oh well.
-sussy-wussy-@reddit
Sarcasm is dead. For every 9 people saying something ironically, there's 1 who is dead serious. Just recall what happened with QAnon, for instance, how it grew from peepee poopoo imageboard humor to a full-on conspiracy cult.
-Planet-@reddit
People are duuuuumb.
GuayFuhks88@reddit
We invented a way of showing that on Reddit a long time ago. Just drop a "/s" at the bottom of your comment like this:
/s
-Planet-@reddit
No.
Nathan-Stubblefield@reddit
Maybe add 20 feet of landfill. Lift everything. Chicago did that in the 19th century.
Laringar@reddit
New Orleans has 170 square miles of land area. Adding 20 feet of landfill to that would be around 95 billion cubic feet of soil.
And even then, this will never not happen. New Orleans is sinking. It has always been sinking since it was first settled, because that's just how the ground there is. The land it sits on exists because of millions of years of seasonal flooding by the Mississippi River. The flooding deposited silt, and the land built up. That silt compresses over time, making room for more to be deposited on top. Chicago didn't have that problem. Chicago doesn't exist on one of the largest river deltas on the continent (if not the largest; I'm not sure offhand), and so with Chicago it was more of a one-time thing.
You're talking about an absolutely massive engineering project that would require rebuilding the entire infrastructure of a city—because if you're going to add 20 feet of land fill, you have to also raise all the buildings and roads to sit on top of that—just to have to do the exact same thing again some time in the future.
Since it's going to require rebuilding an entire city anyhow, better to just do the relocation instead and prevent the future problem.
Nathan-Stubblefield@reddit
The alternative is abandoning the city, and rebuilding it elsewhere, also something of an engineering project.
Laringar@reddit
That's my point. They're both massive engineering projects, but one of them will need to be done again and again and again. Why not do the one that's a more permanent solution?
PhoenixRisingdBanana@reddit
We added an average of 4-10 feet, max around 14ft. Even if building conditions were apples to apples, which I doubt they are, there is no social capital in a huge intensive project like that anymore.
Slashersforsatan@reddit
This makes me sad. I love new orleans!
GagOnMacaque@reddit
I smell a real estate venture.
Quercus408@reddit
I don't see a relocation happening in that state or any other at-risk red state, for that matter. Not even when the ocean swarms up to their front porches; it's not their first rodeo and people will be overconfident in appraising the risk of staying put. Also, it's their home, and the city has a lot of pride. They won't just walk because the government told them to.
There's a similar risk here in California. The Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta services water to over 20 million Californians, in addition to agriculture and industry. Over-drainage is exposing the centuries-long build-up of dead tule rush that compose most of the islands in the delta, causing the level of the delta to subside closer to sea level. If it subsides below sea level, the delta will flood with brackish water from the Suisun Bay, effectively destroying the delta ecosystem and cutting off a third of California from access to drinking water. And it's not helping that we are depleting the aquifers faster than they can be replenished (which also contributed to subsidece of the Delta and the central valley, in general).
kaamkerr@reddit
Louisiana already has a small relocation case study. Look up Isle de Jean St Charles. It was Federally funded by Community Development Block Grants. To my knowledge, the only other gov funded relocation was in Alaska, for another first nations community.
Hamalu@reddit
Netherlands be like
smeggysmeg@reddit
Echt
cr0ft@reddit
"Climate change mitigation" would have been nice. In 1970.
gotkube@reddit
Relocation? Just let it drown
Electronic-Trust-23@reddit
This is a easy fix! Oh well another 1 billion for war
chickey23@reddit
There is a river flowing into New Orleans that wants to go in another direction but we do everything in our power to direct it to New Orleans. Maybe directing a river to a sinking city should be reconsidered?
GuayFuhks88@reddit
Yep. Albert Einstein's son (who taught at LSU) has been trying to convince the Army Corps of Engineers to allow the river to naturally relocate to the Atchafalaya since the 50s.
Laringar@reddit
That river is the only reason the city existed at all. The seasonal flooding of the Mississippi is what deposited the silty soil that the city now sits on, and that silty soil is also the reason the city is sinking. The weight of buildings and more soil on top compresses the soil beneath, slowly squeezing out water and reducing the overall volume.
Ironically, the river is also the only thing keeping the city viable. Without the flow of the river helping to keep the channel clear, the Port of New Orleans would cease being navigable and the city would lose one of its biggest industries.
chickey23@reddit
Would Louisiana rather keep their citizens above water or keep the port running?
Laringar@reddit
Sorry, I don't mean to say they shouldn't move the city. I'm saying moving the river isn't going to help the situation at all, and would just make things worse for whatever's left. Moving the river isn't going to keep people above water, because the ocean is still right there.
The solution is just to move the city.
chickey23@reddit
I thought about that. I'm not sure though. The ocean is still under the city. A proper hydrological analysis is required.
pl487@reddit
Most will simply die when the day comes. There's no need to do anything. We will just have to adapt to their loss.
nightmare-salad@reddit
Me applying to Tulane, like…
rougarou-te-fou@reddit
👀 still come. Might not be a long time but it will be the best time.
nightmare-salad@reddit
Oh, I’m still coming if I can. There are only 3 programs for my field in the country and Tulane is my favorite lol
rougarou-te-fou@reddit
I went to Tulane and had a blast. I love Nola and hope the sea swallows me up here.
DeepHerting@reddit
A lot of people from New Orleans ended up in Houston after Katrina. What we’ll probably see is people wanting to move to a climatically and culturally similar area, and then just kind of snowballing when that becomes uninhabitable too. I don’t blame them, but it would just be compounding our problems instead of convincing them to move straight to Detroit or something.
ragnarockette@reddit
They will move where they have family, connections, and access to similar jobs.
Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta will be beneficiaries. But a lot of people will stick it out the bitter end simply because there is nowhere remotely culturally similar to New Orleans and we don’t want to leave even at our own economic peril. I’d rather spend my limited time on earth in a place I love, rather than pre-emptively move somewhere else.
fernybranka@reddit
Yeah its such a shame. My moms side of the family is from New Orleans, and Ive always loved being there. I never lived there, though for a while I spent most weekends there for a 3 day weekend dating a woman, and working in Baton Rouge so Ive been there quite a lot.
Its such a unique city. Im not hyper proud of Louisiana, but there just isnt anywhere else like New Orleans. I need to run the Crescent City Classic again.
Its a bummer how hard its gonna be for NOLA. And Louisianians. And humanity. Oh well.
ragnarockette@reddit
New Orleans might be the first but it won’t be the last. And we will have a lot of fun on the way down. There is something poetic about enjoying the last days of this beautiful, sinking city I call home. I will stay until they drag me out.
ZenApe@reddit
Good call.
New Orleans is special, go as often as I can.
I've basically made the same choice.
fernybranka@reddit
Yeah and its hard to move “just “ for climate change worries. I moved to the Hudson Valley in NY where my wife is from, and it is fucking bonkers expensive here.
The extremely privileged liberals who own property here talk very condescendingly about people from the south (which I get politically but not individually…youre just born where youre born). But its hard to move and uproot your life, and then try to move “up” into a higher cost of living area. My wife and I bought a camper to live in and work for stay and its still expensive up here.
Anyway good luck down there! Eat that good food!
Marie_Hutton@reddit
Detroit can't house its own people
Lightindarkness82@reddit
I’m a Nola native, left about 6 years ago. It’s a ticking time bomb and it couldn’t happen to a more willfully ignorant sub type of human. They’ve been gladly burying their once promising industry with insane rollbacks and essentially 2nd world at best conditions fueled by worse and worse laws. It’s a race to the bottom, and it’s one they all voted for it.
GuayFuhks88@reddit
What Louisiana needs most is the diversion of the Mississippi into the Atchafalaya basin to rejoin the Red River. It's migration into the new basin is long over due.
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
They won't.
The end.
sylvansojourner@reddit
New Orleans is one of my favorite cities I’ve been to in the US. It has such a unique atmosphere, fascinating history and culture. Beautiful architecture.
But it’s also a city in an active state of collapse. In some neighborhoods every \~3rd building is abandoned. It’s a glimpse of what many cities will be like in the near future.
Cheeseboarder@reddit
It’s so heart-breaking. I love New Orleans.
morphemass@reddit
So .... you're saying its a place with an affordable COL?
thisismyjam@reddit
Wages are also low though, and it's not as affordable as it used to be
sylvansojourner@reddit
Haha you joke but yes! A lot of younger people have moved there because of this. Lots of squatters and fixer uppers. Certain neighborhoods are super pricey still but there’s a lot that’s accessible.
GreenFireAddict@reddit
Houston is already full!
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
After i've read the article, i have a sinking feeling that the federal government and administration under current President of the United States Donald Trump and following governments and administrations will probably continue doing the same. Most of it could have been avoided, of course.
"The American Climate Migrations have begun."
Ghostwoods@reddit
Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right on that.
Small-Palpitation310@reddit
After Katrina the low parts of the city should’ve been relocated. What a failure to be pro-active.
WorriedEssay6532@reddit
The real catastrophe is always Republicans.
cr0ft@reddit
Why not just shut the thing down and have people move to other cities at this point...
Playongo@reddit
I'm shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
lavapig_love@reddit
What's the world for feeling sad yet determined to endure?
notsoheart@reddit
I'm not sure of the word but I am confused about your feelings. Wont we all have to endure the end regardless of what happens?
Libdemic@reddit
As a local this has been known about since the 90s. The metro area has regularly lost population since Katrina, but many of the surrounding parishes have growing populations. Most people in the city (not the surrounding suburbs) would have liked to continue to reinforce the coast and barrier islands- but nazi presidents and a nazi governor that would sooner see the metro depleted and out of his way to continue to run his petty little kingdom. As long as the chemical and refining can still operate the rest of the state doesn't give a fuck.
Laringar@reddit
We have known for decades that the city is doomed to be covered by the ocean, but we keep putting off the necessary transition because doing so is expensive.
It's technical debt. It's exactly the same problem as technical debt. A decision was made some time in the distant past that seemed like a good idea at the time, and even as it becomes more and more obvious that it was ultimately the wrong decision, no one wants to pay for the organizational rebuilt that is necessary to fix it because no one wants to be the person with that giant red mark on their balance sheet. They want to keep the budget looking good so they can move on to the next high-paying job after this one.
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
Good luck, just look at Indonesia's capital relocation efforts for how it will likely go.
Remarkable-Okra6554@reddit
TLDR article says New Orleans will be surrounded by Gulf of Mexico. Not Gulf of America. Obviously fake news.
Empty-Equipment9273@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/s/CLbtwXiz3T
Faster than even faster than expected
Empty-Equipment9273@reddit
From 3-4 years ago btw
Whooptidooh@reddit
And yet (with Trump in charge) nothing will happen.
rematar@reddit
Submission Statement: New Orleans will likely be flooded in decades due to climate change.
Where will they go?
DoubtSubstantial5440@reddit
Hoovervilles are about to make a huge comeback in the near future
Tearakan@reddit
Kinda. Problem is they won't last long. Extreme temperatures will kill most refugee camps in our near future.
DoubtSubstantial5440@reddit
Less poor people? The rich are willing to make that sacrifice
theCaitiff@reddit
/r/Paupericide is about to get a whole lot more active.
refusemouth@reddit
Not much engagement over there, at the moment.
theCaitiff@reddit
Yep, deader than anything, but it was active during the end of Trump I and through parts of Biden when we still pretended to care about Covid, but it's been dead for a while.
Hence why I was saying maybe it would pick back up again once the blatantly paupercidal policies started having more effect.
rematar@reddit
Guh
chickey23@reddit
Who is that a problem for? Surely not the vultures who will feast on the scraps.
No_Foundation16@reddit
More like Trumpvilles in this timeline.
IntoTheCommonestAsh@reddit
The reason shanty towns were allowed to exist is there was no way to arrest all the inconvenient homeless. That's why they're building up the police state IMO. This time they wanna be ready to arrest us all as for being homeless and put us in work camps.
Militarizing the police is the climate plan.
Drinkmasta@reddit
Bingo was his nameo
Uhh_JustADude@reddit
Maybe, but there's a lot of vacant already-developed land in this country, especially in the Rust Belt. Redevelopment could be the next major national focus, but our tax and economic structures prioritize developing new land, which really needs to be left alone, instead.
DeepHerting@reddit
Peoria is very hot right now
Marie_Hutton@reddit
Ew
False_Raven@reddit
Climate refugees is gonna be the next hip thing, trust me.
Uhh_JustADude@reddit
"Climate refugees"
You mean ~~slaves~~ penal-system economic opportunity zone residents? There's a reason the right wing is pushing to make homelessness a crime.
bipolarearthovershot@reddit
Van life
CockItUp@reddit
Trump ills.
click-monster@reddit
I dislike the disingenuous cope-y language of "relocation" that even left-wing media uses. Say what you mean: the population is moving and the city is being abandoned.
ElephantContent8835@reddit
Hahahaha. Yeah- good luck with that. The only thing the US can organize is war.
Suckamanhwewhuuut@reddit
Can they though?
Myjunkisonfire@reddit
They sure know how to start them.
DaisyHotCakes@reddit
lol you sure about that last statement?
NyriasNeo@reddit
There is no such thing as "must" in politics. We can always live with, or die from, the consequences.
I will bet you dollars to donuts, no matter how many scientific studies says so, there will be no mass relocation of the 1M in the New Orleans metroplex, until it is too late.
ragnarockette@reddit
The New Orleans metro is one of the fastest shrinking metros anyway. People will continue to leave of their own voilition due to climate change, and a shitty economy.
Logridos@reddit
The same New Orleans that ALREADY FUCKING HAD catastrophic flooding, and should never have been rebuilt in the same place? That New Orleans?
cjandstuff@reddit
The Port of New Orleans alone brings in so much money and shipping that the city will never be abandoned until it no longer exists. Add to that stuff like tourism and the money from the NFL and casinos…
High_Quality_Bean@reddit
I weep. I've been hearing about the destruction of the coastline since I was a child. My life will truly be marked by the complete fulfilment of every promise that was made to me: The complete and utter destruction of everything we hold sacred and dear.
DoItAgainHarris56@reddit
get a grip
CheerleaderOnDrugs@reddit
Discover compassion and empathy!
thelingeringlead@reddit
This makes me so sad. I love that city so much.
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Reasonable-Ad-2592:
Submission Statement: Due to sea level rise, New Orleans will be surrounded by the sea within a few decades. People are already moving away, but a systematic process of relocation must start today, since measures of adaptation cannot guarantee the safety of the inhabitants of New Orleans.
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