with 7 YoE, took a planned career break just as AI was taking off in Jan 2025. Helplessness taking over. Any particular advice or opinions on the market right now?
Posted by inthiseeconomy@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 154 comments
I have 7 years of experience in backend engineering. I've worked on data pipelines, I've extensively worked on your usual SDE distributed systems type work, I am pretty good at SQL.
I've been applying everyday since a month - I get callbacks but almost everyone is lowballing due to the gap. It's like they think I've forgotten how to code since I havent used any "production grade" AI coding systems.
I passed 6 rounds at a company for them to tell me they pegged me at a senior role in 5 interviews but the 6th placed me at mid senior, so my salary would be 30% lower.
Admittedly, I did not work on upskilling. I was burnt out and wanted to travel - so that is what I did. I've been preparing diligently for interviews since two months and also passing DSA rounds, HLD rounds, only to be lowballed or ghosted.
I feel defeated, is the market just done for right now? Is there any hope? I understand this post may come off as venting, but I'm honestly trying to get an understanding of the current market scene, and I think opinions from experienced people would help. Mods, please let this be up.
iamads@reddit
I had similarly taken a break in March 25. I have been using Claude/ codex in my personal projects.
For me the interviews have been extremely difficult. The expectation to be good at DSA, design, your tech stack is understandable but I also see other requirements cloud, devops, observability etc.
Honestly it's been a bit much with continuous ghosting from recruiters and extremely random Hiring manager interviews after clearing all rounds.
As the employment gap is increasing, the path forward looks very difficult.
Budget_Treat1858@reddit
Don't lose hope, my friend. I took a similar break in October 2024, then started looking for a job in November 2025. It took almost 5 months to finally find one. Endless phone calls with HRs, lots of ghosting, rejections. I get all this, it's not a great place to be at. I even began to regret taking this career break at some point. You'll go through this too, just don't lose hope.
Heavy_Discussion3518@reddit
Truth. I took a break starting March 25. 20 YOE. Sr Staff. Had contract work ongoing during the break to stay sharp.
Started interviewing last October and found things quite difficult. Took job at small company. Continuing to work through opportunities while working.
It's hard out there. Don't let the "open positions are going up!" narrative fool you. There is a glut of experienced SWEs competing for that gently increased number of roles.
And AI is no joke. You really gotta buckle down, get a paid subscription, and learn to use it from the CLI. Bullshit radars are tuned right now, very few people are bullshitting their way to good offers right now because they're competing with someone laid off from Amazon that has first hand experience with these tools.
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
That is exactly how I feel too.
maxip89@reddit
Learn to read documentation.
nkondratyk93@reddit
ngl the 'production AI coding systems' thing is mostly copilot and some prompt basics. the actual blocker is the gap stigma - volume + referrals will move that faster than any AI upskilling.
PoliceConductUS@reddit
I’m building PoliceConduct.org as a public-interest data project.
Your backend / data pipeline / SQL background sounds relevant. If you want to volunteer on some dev work, we could likely give you real project work and train you on AI-assisted development as part of it.
Not a paid role, and I don’t want to oversell it. But it could be useful if you want current, concrete work to point to while getting back into the market.
Preferred path: fill out the volunteer form on the website, then DM this account so I know to look for it.
Ok-Leopard-9917@reddit
You will only get lowball offers unless you manage to line up multiple competing offers at the same time because you are unemployed. Just take one and start applying again in a few months.
purpuric@reddit
listen. tell them you’ve got claude, cursor, copilot whatever experience. put it on your resume. PRACTICE THAT SHIT AT HOME. and then make some shit up about how you incorporated ai into workflows and shit. you’ll be fine, learning curve is minimal. it’s just dumbassery most of the time dw.
commonsearchterm@reddit
if the ai is so smart why do we need to learn it?
xt1nct@reddit
It’s insane. I use ChatGPT and codex. I can use Claude too.
Like this is something one can pick up in a few days just playing around with prompts and a project.
stephenjo2@reddit
They need to check that you're not one of those anti-AI developers.
xt1nct@reddit
I like my code organic and AI free. Stop the AI abuse!
Spimflagon@reddit
Yeah, hiring managers seem to have a massive bonk on about AI experience, because it's so massively important (eh) that you use AI that they don't register that it's about as cerebrally taxing as a word processor.
"No experience coding in this language? Ah, but you've used ChatGPT? Step right this way sir. Get out of the way, madam, no I don't want to see any of your diplomas, I have to orient our new principal engineer."
deafgamer_@reddit
Bro I've done this and I know my shit, prompt libraries, agent steps in CI/CD, context management and staving off context rot, xml tags for structured prompts, and it still doesn't land me anything.
Half the time I feel like the people who ask me about AI don't actually know anything about AI and therefore have no idea if I'm answering correctly or not.
BandicootGood5246@reddit
100%. Most jobs asking for AI experience and skills everyone is bullshitting, the AI skill requirements for a typical dev job are really just typing out clear instructions, reviewing and not being a dumbass
LongjumpingWheel11@reddit
Exactly. These companies are morons. All AI is is organized markdown files. What is with this AI tool usage nonsense? So bizarre
abrandis@reddit
Because being a developer in 2026 is more important knowing how to play the AI marketing hype game that actual coding.. you need to adopt to the labor environment not question why your skills aren't attractimg offers
Conscious_Analysis98@reddit
Take one of the lowball offers and use it to get the experience?
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
I would be back to what I was making 3 years ago if I do that. Is wanting to join atleast at the salary I quit out of touch wrt the job market?
localhost8100@reddit
Right now I am back to what I was making 8 years ago.
As long as it puts food on table, nothing wrong with that. Just need to get through this rough time.
InterestingBoard67@reddit
it's gonna get worse and you know it
a while back, you needed 10 devs to ship a product
now, three devs + ai agents can do it
rexspook@reddit
If you were truly an experienced dev you’d know that’s not true. It will get worse while companies figure out the new productivity, but ai agents are not shipping anything of substance in 3 days.
InterestingBoard67@reddit
you seem to forgotten I mentioned the three devs who'll be using the ai agents
dnbxna@reddit
Companies care about substance?
Deranged40@reddit
That's better than you were making 8 years ago in this industry, right?
Your 7yoe is being diluted every day now. I strongly advise against taking "Planned career breaks" because of things like this.
Whitchorence@reddit
Well, what you're currently making is nothing, isn't it?
Old-School8916@reddit
this job market is post-zirp. welcome to the new normal.
mistaekNot@reddit
bro you’re lucky to get any offer in this market tf
Fragrant-Menu215@reddit
Ok, and? Yeah, welcome to job changing in a down economy. Sorry but you took a 6 month vacation, you are not going to get much if any sympathy here. You chose to not pay attention to the state of the world before making your choice, that's on you.
rexspook@reddit
You’re currently making $0.
Hand_Sanitizer3000@reddit
In todays job market yes take what you can get 0% of the salary you made 3 years ago is worse than whatever youre turning down right now. The fact thst youre turning down offers is crazy honestly but also shows that if you go at it again in a year you’ll be able to get what youre asking for. Take a lowball offer keep looking while getting paid and leave when you find something better
Roadside-Strelok@reddit
Even without this gap in this market it wouldn't be entirely unusual to have to take a pay cut if you were seraching for something after resigning/getting laid off.
DocLego@reddit
Yeah, I switched jobs this year (no gap) and ended up taking a 20% pay cut. Bad economy plus AI reduces the demand.
letsbefrds@reddit
Swallow your pride man, I took a break in 2023 and took a 20% pay cut and went from remote to hybrid.
Hurt me bad but you will build it up.
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
How long was your break from work? Yes, I know better now after reading all these comments. It was indeed pride, and I didnt want a lifestyle shift for my family. But its the only way.
letsbefrds@reddit
I quit feb 2023 Did a short TA job for computer science class for a summer. (May-june) Then started work jan 2024
Ciff_@reddit
It is a different market. Why not take it, and keep applying from a stronger position?
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
I suppose it was a no brainer - I got emotional with my first half offer and fucked it. I'll keep this in mind going forward, thanks to all of you. 20 minutes on this sub can do wonders by just showing you the mirror.
mongopark98@reddit
I was in same situation. Was working at Amazon making 300k. My first offer was a contractor making half of that. Now I have 2 remote jobs making 320k. Still 40% less stressful than 1 Amazon job
MaleficentCow8513@reddit
Yep. It’s a tough decision to take a low ball offer without having a good read on your chances of landing a better offer.
Disastrous_Crew_9260@reddit
Like you can just look into agents, skills, mcp’s and spec driven development and you’re up there with others.
Build a solution using openspec and you have done more than general swe population.
Ciff_@reddit
That's totally fair adjusting, and adjusting just the right amount, is hard,
-Knockabout@reddit
High salary but slightly less money is still a high salary.
Worth noting too that this field has always had a high range of pay for a given level of seniority depending on the company/institution. Line can't go up forever, figure out how much you need to meet your goals and shoot for at least that.
Taco_Enjoyer3000@reddit
Being able to walk away for 3 years and come back with no pay loss is a blessing, even in a good job market. Many people walk away for less time and can't get back in at all.
tigerlily7190@reddit
I get that it sucks, but it’s more than 0
Choochiechoo@reddit
Yes that is always out of touch with the job market. You should always have the expectation that when joining a new organization that you will start at the bottom. They have their own talent they have been nurturing and have shown them loyalty so why place somebody else above them? It’s fine because if you are truly skilled you should fly to the top or do a lateral transfer to the position that suits you. They offered you a position and you refused, seems like filter out a ticking time bi
itsmecalmdown@reddit
You took a planned career break during the worst time the job market has seen in 20 years, and you expect to just waltz back in and match your salary from before the AI craze took off?
You are incredibly out of touch. I'd consider myself luckily to be getting offers so quickly at all.
gowithflow192@reddit
Beggars can’t be choosers.
Ready_Anything4661@reddit
Are you getting offers at the salary you quit at?
ElasticFluffyMagnet@reddit
You could be out of a job a long time. Or just swallow your pride and take the lower offers, while looking for something else in the meantime. Right now your bank account is draining. Taking a lower offer job will at least stop that or make it a hell of a lot slower.
coder155ml@reddit
Shouldn’t have taken a break to travel then
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
Why so volatile?
corny_horse@reddit
Yeah, especially remote. 3 years ago was not the height of the hiring bubble but it was pretty close.
Boring-Story3370@reddit
I'm in the same position + YOE as you, and yeah your thinking is out of touch. Top places are especially picky nowadays if they're even hiring, and even FAANG is still lowballing these days. Taking a lowball for now and keeping my eye on future market conditions is my current plan
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
Good luck!
Boring-Story3370@reddit
Good luck to you as well! After all, some pay is better than no pay, and even better to get up to speed with AI tools fully on their dime
Mabenue@reddit
Yes you were out of the market for a year. Things move fast in tech even before AI. You need to manage your expectations.
max123246@reddit
Just take the job and then keep applying. Worst thing to do is to extend the employment gap
Tacos314@reddit
Sadly, that's not going to happen, that would not even happen 3 years ago. At some point It's better to take a lowball offer now, does not mean you have to stop interviewing.
Whatever4M@reddit
Yeah
Effective-Pattern706@reddit
I work at a faang adjacent company and they didn't ask me once in the interview about AI coding. On the job, im expected to use them however I want, but no one is forcing me to at all.
BendableBender@reddit
How do you know they’re lowballing you and you’re no just actually functioning at that level?
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
Because I cleared all of their interviews? After 7 years I think I can tell when I do well at interviews vs when I dont.
BendableBender@reddit
You cleared the interview at the mid senior level.
knowwho@reddit
It's the most competitive market that has ever existed in the field, so... Take what you can get.
NickW1343@reddit
Take the job. Your interviewing skills are still at their peak, so get employed for shit pay, then take your interview skills and your current job to hop into something that doesn't low ball you for being unemployed. Do not wait to settle into your new role, since that'll have your interviewing skills grow weak. Get that job, but don't think your job hunt has ended. Keep hunting.
Shifftz@reddit
I was in a similar position as you. 10 YoE, took time off for having a baby starting in Jan 2022. Got a great job a couple of months ago. In my experience:
If you haven't used any AI coding tools you are in fact a dinosaur. Luckily for you, they only really got great in November and most people have full time jobs. I got a Claude code and codex subscription and made a bunch of random side projects to learn. I have not written a line of code by hand in two months at my job.
The unfortunate reality of the job market is that employers want evidence that you're keeping up. For me, that was spinning up a couple of AI-related side projects and linking them on my LinkedIn. I made a persistent agent platform and an agent team orchestrator, both of which are mostly useless but interesting to build. When I put those on the internet I went from zero interviews to every second company getting back.
GL. Treat this as what it is, you actually are behind but it's not going to be that hard to catch up if you put effort in.
stayoungodancing@reddit
I feel like this advice is going to turn around and bite someone on the ass, especially with how intense interviews are conducted now. Practicing AI-assisted development is probably a better frame instead of just 100% reliance.
ryanchants@reddit
I would call what I do AI-assisted development, but that doesn't mean I write code any more. That doesn't mean I'm not speccing out the work, reviewing the work, providing feedback to change, etc.
Essentially, I talk to it like I do an intern/new grad who has memorized all the docs.
stayoungodancing@reddit
That sounds a bit like what I’ve heard about prompt engineering.
Shifftz@reddit
I think my advice would be different if he was a junior though. He's self-stated as having 7 years coding by hand, I would assume he already knows how to code.
Also YMMV but the interview process for my current job was difficult but did not include any hand coding. They explicitly mentioned AI being encouraged at every step of the process.
stayoungodancing@reddit
I would be highly skeptical of a role that encourages AI usage for every decision but without more context I’m not going to be immediately critical of it.
Some AI involvement/practice/experimenting seems reasonable, but advocating a full handoff reads a bit misleading.
SansSariph@reddit
Full handoff isn't what's being said, though. It's just a tool to reach for during the lifecycle/loop.
Requirements synthesis, planning, implementation, iteration, testing, monitoring, all of it can be AI-assisted.
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
Thank you. I have also started working on personal AI projects to link on my profile.
is_that_sad@reddit
Why are you showing the gap at all ?
DollarsInCents@reddit
What's the best way to hide the gap?
RiPont@reddit
You worked at a stealth startup that had an NDA.
Nearing_retirement@reddit
If you have the money consider switching careers. If laid off that’s what I’m going to do, maybe teach at community college, low pay but easy
Khandakerex@reddit
The market you knew before does not exist anymore. "Low balls" are relative to the time period they are in, the reality is most companies are hiring for a lot lower, there's a lot of engineers out of work so if you didn't take it someone most likely immediately did after you.
Saykee@reddit
4.5 YoE. I'm currently taking a job in fast food. I've given up.
Annual_Negotiation44@reddit
Are you in a tech-centric metro? Are recruiters aware you are not employed right now?
-npk-@reddit
Take the lowball, get back in the game, keep looking for gigs.
Ok_Tone6393@reddit
wait so you got an offer and turned it down? beggars can't be choosers, you could have always interviewed around once you at least had bagged something
dash_bro@reddit
A 30% cut but going back into the workforce still beats a non-starter current state.
Nothing stops you from leveraging your new (admittedly lowballed) offer to go into higher paying roles within the year. I recommend you take it especially with you pushed on the backfoot currently with the "sabbatical" gap
xt1nct@reddit
Could always try to flip burgers but that would be terrible for resume and I assume a bigger pay cut.
Sometimes you gotta take what you are given especially in this shit market.
engineered_academic@reddit
When I was unemployed I took up manual tasks like carpentry and it actually helped me recover from burnout to just do something different for a while. Burger flipping might just be the job. I get great satisfaction out of working a grill. My retirement job was gonna be short order cook.
xt1nct@reddit
I agree, not trying to talk down to someone flipping burgers or doing manual labor. It’s just normally that’s a big pay cut for a dev.
rexspook@reddit
You would simply leave that off the resume. In some cases irrelevant work is worse than showing a gap.
_5er_@reddit
I feel like data engineer would be pretty hot stuff in these crazy LLM days. Maybe the only thing you need is a bit of practice with LLM.
Otherwise fake it till you make it. A lot of companies often have too much overkill requirements.
Ok_Quarter4185@reddit
True
Spimflagon@reddit
Salaries went down over the last couple of years anyway. Senior PHP dev in the UK gets about £45-£60k... It was more like £65k about five years ago. I don't think your career gap is the issue, the market's just a bit fucked rn.
Speaking of fucked, don't let them peg you. At least in the introductory period.
Gunny2862@reddit
Would spend 50% of your time applying and 50% of the time trying to get your own clients.
Fragrant-Menu215@reddit
Real talk: the economy is in the shitter. When the AI money circle is taken out of the calculations the GDP has been negative for several years now. That's going to affect hiring and offers. So turning down the offer when you had nothing else available was a big mistake.
Tweed_Beetle@reddit
The lowball-and-keep-applying advice is right, but the framing this thread keeps missing is that your quit salary is a 2024 reference price. The 2026 market reference for the same job description is structurally lower for three reasons: post-2024 layoffs increased available supply, the AI productivity multiplier shifts the output-per-comp frontier downward, and the senior band itself has recalibrated. Anchoring on what you used to make is generating most of the helplessness. Reset the anchor and the offers stop reading as personal rejection.
There's a second piece worth naming directly. Your replies in this thread saying there isn't much to learn about Cursor or Claude Code are exactly the signal the lowballing recruiters are picking up on. The tools aren't hard to operate. The senior signal is knowing when each one fails. That includes when Cursor's autocomplete beats Claude Code's agent loop and when it doesn't, how agent supervision overhead actually shows up on a 50k-LOC codebase, what MCP wiring buys you for non-trivial workflows, and the difference between prompts, CLAUDE.md instructions, and skill files. Two weeks of deliberate practice with one personal project per tool, deliberately hitting their failure modes, closes this gap. The "I'm above this" posture closes the door before the interview starts.
For the company that lowballed you a week ago, that engagement isn't dead unless they explicitly closed it. They invested 6 rounds in you. Re-engage today with something like "Thanks for the offer. I've been thinking it over. I'd be prepared to accept at $X if we can structure the first 6 months with a comp review tied to specific deliverables." That re-opens negotiation, signals confidence, and gives the hiring manager who already advocated for you a face-saving path. Walking away in silence after a week is the actual loss.
halfercode@reddit
Thanks, AI 🤖 (you are both our illness and our cure).
snowplango@reddit
Build something specific with AI tooling. Not a chatbot wrapper, but a workflow automation or data pipeline that uses an LLM as one step. That's immediately legible to eng managers trying to figure out which senior devs can actually ship AI-adjacent work. The break matters a lot less if you can point to something real.
sharvinshah51@reddit
You’re not screwed, this is just how the market is right now.
The gap isn’t killing you as much as you think, it just makes companies a bit cautious, so they anchor lower. They’d do the same even without the break tbh.
What is hurting you a bit is this line of thinking “there isn’t much to learn with these AI tools”
That comes off as “I haven’t really used them seriously.” Even if that’s not true.
My advice :
Build 1–2 small things using them and just talk about it confidently. Doesn’t need to be groundbreaking, just something recent you can point to.
Also, don’t overthink the lowball offers.
If something is decent, take it, get back in the game, and move again in a few months.
You’re way closer than it feels. All the best!
BUTTHOLE_MONSTER@reddit
10yoe, got laid off 6 months ago and just took a job at 30% less pay and downleveled to mid. Just taking the entire load all over my face and getting back to where I was for my next job.
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
welp, I'll join you soon
BUTTHOLE_MONSTER@reddit
It’ll be better to look for a job with a job. They know they can lowball you.
anoncology@reddit
You took a break for over a year and you got an offer a month I to your job search?
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
I havent gotten the actual offer yet, they lowballed after 6 rounds and I told them I had to think about it. This was 1 week ago so I suppose that opportunity is done for
RandyHoward@reddit
Well getting that far into an interview process when you're a month into your job search is not a bad thing. People spend many months trying to land a job in the current market. 30 days may feel like a long time to find a job, but it really isn't lately.
Unfair-Sleep-3022@reddit
People write this in reddit *
Who knows if they have the skills, if they're aiming too high or looking for particular things (eg remote work)
RandyHoward@reddit
Doesn't matter, the market is a hell of a lot tougher now than it was even 1 year ago. Look at all the layoffs that have happened in the biggest companies, all of those people are candidates that you're competing against, which means it's going to take longer to land a job regardless of any particulars.
Unfair-Sleep-3022@reddit
I've been reading stuff like this here for years
I don't know anyone in my network built over 15 years that has struggled to get a job or to change jobs
All my exposure to the "tough market" is from people complaining here
RandyHoward@reddit
I haven't had to look for a job for about 8 years, so admittedly I don't know first-hand what it's like. But I am involved in hiring in my team, and judging by the amount of applications we get it can't be easy. The sheer number of people applying to every job stacks the odds against you.
Unfair-Sleep-3022@reddit
Sure, but there are so many fake and unqualified applications too
I guess I'll see it if I find myself in that position
RandyHoward@reddit
Yes, but there's still a ton of legitimate candidates too. I intend to find out later this year or early next year. My options vest in November, and I'm not too interested in continuing with this company after that. Most likely I won't have to apply anywhere though, my former business partner has a new thing going and I'll probably just go do that.
KhonMan@reddit
1 week is not that long. You can get it back for sure.
magichronx@reddit
If you think they lowballed you then give them a counter-offer. You should pretty much always counter-offer if you're serious about the role and aren't in desperate need for money
anoncology@reddit
I see.
Fruloops@reddit
Your biggest issue now isn't a low salary, it's that there is no salary. Take a lowball offer, and continue applying; hopefully you'll be able to get a better offer in time.
I think it's easier to get a better offer if you're currently employed, albeit it's a bigger pain in the ass to deal with.
subLimb@reddit
Especially because OP already identified the employment gap as the primary problem
hawkeye224@reddit
The multi round with one interviewer bringing result down sucks. You may be competent and even if you think there’s only 5% chance of getting a strongly biased/asshole/dumb interviewer, over 6 rounds it’s only a 73.5% chance of not getting one.
mr_brobot__@reddit
You took a career break in this economy?
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
I needed it
GumboSamson@reddit
Unfortunately, building things with code in not like riding a bike.
Even if you magically retained 100% of your skills (unlikely), the industry moves fast. Standing still means you get left behind.
The good news is that you have already proven that you have the aptitude for the job.
Learn the new skills and practices that you need and (most importantly) don’t give up.
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
But that's the thing - there simply isn't that much to learn when it comes to Cursor, Codex, Claude Code or whatever.
SkyPL@reddit
Then dive into it, if you think so, but FYI, the topic is far, far bigger than it might appear on the surface level. I've been doing a dive into agentic development, and it still feels like I don't know a ton, even though I've been tearing through it all for nearly a year now.
Wild-Yogurtcloset921@reddit
Can you name a few underrated topics that are important for Agentic development but not obvious on the surface level? I’m trying to improve at using AI and am in a similar situation as OP
SkyPL@reddit
would be the first 3 from the top of my head, but there's so, so much more.
LongjumpingWheel11@reddit
Context engineering translation = markdown files, skills (also markdown files), agent types (markdown again), adversary reviews ( you guess it, markdown files).
Difference between models. I’m sorry wtf does that even mean? The companies literally release benchmarks that identify which models are good at what. Or are you implementing your own randomized studies to make a your own conclusions? Let me guess, you are basing your opinion based on your own experience? This is just fluff, this is not an objective skill.
The third maybe could be interesting.
I simply don’t believe there is any meaningful skill behind LLM usage. If that were the case, the promise of LLMs becomes less interesting. If it requires so much to learn to be effective then it wouldn’t produce the advertised efficiency gains. The suggestion that to be effective with LLMs requires so much learns is contradictory to the entire premise of AI usage in software development.
What a shame. This industry has moved from debating leader election and consensus algorithms to debating how to organize markdown files and talking about a so called gas town. What a farce.
SansSariph@reddit
There's plenty of history of automation outside of our industry (which isn't that special) that speaks to exactly this paradox, which is that automation can require skill to operate effectively. It doesn't detract from the efficiency gains.
Pretty sure these debates are still happening, and the entire body of computer scientists, mathematicians, and engineers are capable of working on multiple fronts at once.
coworker@reddit
Token efficiency will be the name of the game as AI suppliers raise costs. Blunt force use of agents will be a thing of the past going forward
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
I did not mean the internals, ofcourse there is. I just meant to say that in the context of entry barriers to backend dev jobs.
Icy_Cartographer5466@reddit
You might be surprised what you missed in the last 15 months. The expectation at tech companies is now that you manage multiple code generation agents simultaneously, and do much more code review, much faster than before. This has not been an easy transition for a lot of people.
skymallow@reddit
I'm gonna be brutal this attitude is gonna make it hard for you get through interviews.
corny_horse@reddit
That's actually surprisingly just not true. I've administered coding tests at my last company, and you'd be surprised how many people spend the majority of the time getting their IDE to work with an agent, knowing in advance that they're welcome to use Copilot/cursor/etc.
If they do have that, its an even smaller number that even have Docker installed and can spin up a basic microservice.
GumboSamson@reddit
Good—then learn it, excel at it, and go kick ass with your new skills.
You got this.
Ratiocinor@reddit
It literally is though?
Logically breaking down problems, good programming practices, problem solving, bug fixing, these skills don't just disappear because you're not at a keyboard
The muscle memory of using your favourite IDE is literally like riding a bike
Some of us get stuck or silo'd in jobs that don't let us implement fancy new continuous integration toolchains or reject our requests for time to write unit tests and we our skills stagnating as we don't get to do any actual coding or use new tech
When I was made redundant I suddenly had free time to learn about the new fancy technologies I'd always wanted to and actually start writing code again instead of bugfixing legacy applications, I was a far better programmer out of work than I was in my last job where I stagnated hard
But hiring managers see that you're not in work and they just reject the CV because obviously in 6 months of not getting a paycheque you have completely forgotten how to write a for loop
somethinghasbroken@reddit
Everyone's saying "a low-ball offer is better than nothing" but after a certain seniority level for many people, taking a considerable pay cut probably translates into a severe lifestyle change, the household will suffer, for some families where only one of the adults has a job, that is probably a no-go. Yes, it does not seem to be the OP's situation and the market doesn't care about those "little details", but it is kinda scary to think that you can't even keep your previous salary these days if you change employer.
jonmitz@reddit
you were offered a job and you turned it down? in this market? after you took a break? and now youre complaining online? 🤡🤡🤡
inthiseeconomy@reddit (OP)
I didnt turn it down, I tried to negotiate
nomiinomii@reddit
You need a reality check
The high paying jobs are slim to no chance of getting back.
Take the pay cut
ithkuil@reddit
Things might slow down a little, but it is very unlikely that AI and robotics stop improving over the next say five years, and they are already fairly capable. So it's very possible that all types of jobs start drying up.
So I think, be happy you are at least getting low-ball offers.
I don't think jobs are good plan. You may need to be able to leverage AI or robots as cheap labor to create your own business.
I guess on this sub that will probably just get scoffed at, but I do have a perspective of 40 years of programming and now watching the LLMs and VLMs gradually become more and more robust at code generation over the last 3.5 years.
If you are looking even like two or three years out, we might be headed to a world where you build custom software in real time just by describing it. This could use things like agent swarms, fast LLM output with next generation hardware (see Cerebras), diffusion transformers, etc. Or it may be more radical new architecture. Imagine Google's Genie game generation model, which generated frames in real time, but for productivity applications.
More and more capabilities are being built into the models. So the AI model basically is the computer. Within five or ten years, some small businesses might just have one "Oracle" brain that runs on one or two rack units, has some deep integration or embedding of persistent data (maybe even just model context for non-archive data?) and generates your custom UI or data views in real time at 24 frames per second.
The abilities of these systems are going to make it difficult to justify employing humans in the near future.
_hephaestus@reddit
The upside is that I’ve been hit up by more recruiters in the past month than for most of 2023/24 the market is hiring more.
The downside is that the market has adjusted comp-wise. Outside of the big N, salaries will be lower. Seems pretty hard to avoid.
PartyParrotGames@reddit
It may not be the gap causing the lowball offers, though it certainly can make HR assume candidates are more likely to accept lower offers. It's an employers' market currently and they typically try to lowball when they have a surplus of good candidates to choose from. They're essentially bargain hunting in their qualified candidate pool.
Expert-Reaction-7472@reddit
Just keep going mate.
It took me >6 months to find a suitable role.
I was even considering a 50% pay drop at one point.
obelix_dogmatix@reddit
Lowballing compared to what? I would say salaries are not what they were in 2020-2023.
Sounds like you are doing well in interviews, so I am curious to see what advice anyone could give in such a scenario.
UnderstandingDry1256@reddit
Mid-senior, never touched AI.
Take 30% offer - you’ll unlikely get anything better. Nobody cares how good you are at sql, I bet Claude will beat you haha.
the-jelly47@reddit
No one cares why you took a break, people only care you have a 12+ months gap. There are a lot of good candidates, and your experience is mostly in popular but saturated fields. It’s a competition. Even back in 2015 pre-LLM, your profile wouldn’t be easy to find a good job after a 12+ months break.
GoodishCoder@reddit
When you take a break from your career you are almost always going to have to rework to where you were when you decide to come back. In my opinion, expecting to pick right back up where you left is unreasonable.
phatmike595@reddit
I just gratefully accepted a surprisingly strong offer after an 8 month unwilling career break and I honestly cannot fathom choosing to walk away and just expecting to hop right back in without skipping a beat.
WoodenNeighborhood15@reddit
You are not a machine but a mere human. Taking a break and recharging your life is important.
Sit down and do so Gap analysis. Current Situation and To Be Situation.
Build a timeline and reasonable goal to upskill yourself if you want higher salary.
Another thing and most important which others have said as well: Take the offer and work and earn the new skills atleast 6 months -1 year.
Since you already have experience and adding 1 more to experience is not a bad deal and Make a jump to higher salary.
Remember up-skilling is the most important part to do if your end goal is to put yourself in higher salary bracket.
All the best.
Also check your health if you are doing well or not(you don’t want to slip into depression)!
BordicChernomyrdin@reddit
Right now you are making $0, so accept a Iowball and use it as a platform to jump to something better
WittySophisticate@reddit
I Focus on Spec Driven Development and have stayed away from Vibe Coding
WittySophisticate@reddit
Whats your leetcode count ?
Void-kun@reddit
Without AI experience you will keep being lowballed.
You need to accept the lowball offer, get the experience and then move on.
A lowball offer is better than being unemployed.
morgo_mpx@reddit
Anything related to using AI and building agents is actually incredibly easy so unless the job you’re looking for is working at an AI company creating models you shouldn’t have much of a problem getting into it. A little bit of research and a label on your resume should cover it.
Delicious_Crazy513@reddit
In this market they will try to low all you even if you didn't take a break, it's a BS excuse. Take whatever you find interesting and keep looking for a better offer.
chain_letter@reddit
Yep, laid off with 10 years experience making ios apps. Not even getting the lowballs. Recruiters for crummy jobs reach out then leave me on read, and setup days to call then ghost.
I'm taking the first lowball I get just to pay the bills, bulking up on Claude and ai bullshit knowledge on their time, and leaving the moment something better shows up.
morswinb@reddit
I used co pilot during the interview.
Live coding, but you bring your own IDE. Green flag on company side for not forcing some web based crap upon you.
It was so annoying with auto complete that I turned it off before any real work started and could get counted as cheating.
Guess if your feedback says candidate forgot to turn off AI tool, it resolves the question "is the candidate AI native?"