Except he didn't fucking do a thing, since he wasn't the person in the surveillance footage. Different backpack, different facial features, different shoes.
Idk if he was some kind of patsy but he was clearly framed (whether intentionally or not) and then quickly made an example of.
All of these people praising him are just martyring him into the criminal he never was and essentially condemning an innocent guy, albeit for a good cause.
intelligent reddiots (karma literally adds to you iq, if you dont agree you are a facist capitalist bigot) when they watch video with their own two eyes and still have to tell themselves everybody else is wrong and they're right
You do realize though that in criminal law, one needs to be *proven* guilty *beyond any reasonable doubt*.
Given that he has not been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt of any criminal act, what does that *currently* make his status? I'm pretty sure there's a word for it. "Something" until proven guilty, if you can recall.
Innocent and not guilty mean two different things. You can absolutely have committed a crime and be found not guilty, which just means criminal liability hasn’t been imposed. This is why you can still be sued civilly for an act you were found criminally “not guilty” of; they’re two different standards.
I am aware they are different things, I wrote rapists as sexual assaulter sounds weird. But to clarify, since you believe in innocence until proven guilty for Trump, then surely you have to accept he is a fraudster and sex criminal now then?
Al Capone was a mobster and got people killed. He was only ever found guilty of tax evasion though.
There is a difference between the court of public opinion and a criminal court. It can be obvious but not legally provable that someone is guilty.
I’m not saying that this is the case here. I’m just saying you don’t have to assume someone is innocent until he is proven guilty. Only the justice system has to do that
The person you are talking to has already deemed him a martyr. It doesn't matter who he is or what he did at this point, it's all about feels over reals
This comment is embrassing. He was obviously the person in the surveillance video since they have the same smile and face; it was a different backpack because he ditched the one he had before he left the city. Are you saying it's impossible for him to have changed his clothes after committing a murder? Give a break, dude. You have fallen way too hard into the conspiracy memes.
Among many, MANY other instances, when we found out the global elites were trafficking and fucking children for decades and the worlds tenements knew and actively covered it up…
They lost all credibility. Deservedly so.
You’re not wrong in this particular argument, but your naivety will be your downfall.
How the FUCK is that commenter naive in the slightest?? They’re actually using critical thinking, taking into account information that is credible and verifiable. They’re not “naive” for not immediately believing some crackpot conspiracy theory. Your mentality is perpetuating doubt in real, verifiable evidence.
It’s not that I *know* anything but that I have suspected. I’m still not even 100% confident but like I said, I have suspected it and I used to see lots more talk about that idea but it sort of went away
Its strange to kill a ceo to answer the inhumanity of healthcare systems the shareholders will just appoint another with a mandate to increase profits for its shareholders, finding the top shareholders across multiple fortune 500's is the real place to start,
Bingo\^ I still don’t even think this is the same guy. Also, I remember when the news first broke out, didn’t police say they found a gun and manifesto in a bag in NYC? Then they said they found a gun and manifesto on his person? Correct me if I’m wrong please.
Either way, it doesn’t make any sense. Why would he carry his gun and manifesto on his person when he fled? He was smart enough to orchestrate the attack but dumb enough to do that? Yeah, I don’t think so.
He could be an operative of an agency and the incident is his legend, but who the fuck really knows if elon musk is even real and not an ai generated hoax we live in the age of lies, the only certainty is what your being fed is bollocks
It doesn't change if you only stop at one, how many families are missing fathers, mothers, or even children because that sack of shit Jack Thompson doubled the denials of claims.
Also, it didn't fix shit. If you are going to spend your life on a cause like this, why not commit to full time activism rather than an feckless act of personal catharsis?
I agree on one thing with you. Not me, not any redditor, nor any person has a right to decide who lives and who dies.
A doctor can also refuse to operate on a patient and let them die and that is their choice. But is that what is commonly believed?
If you are a company that makes tall claims of helping you with your medical bills and takes your hard earned money, just to deny you the benefits due to technicality. Then is that fair?
The mob wants blood man. Even if it will make their own material conditions worse. They just want to see, how did Hassan put it, "the streets run red with capitalist blood".
Well I haven't killed anyone in cold blood so I consider myself ahead of the insane curve you guys seem to be looking to.
I would reform it by removing as many regulations as possible that allow insurance companies to rent seek. But to grasp why that would work, far more people would need to have a better understanding of economics.
But you try your way. Go kill some more insurance executives and see if we get better healthcare or if the government boot just gets pressed more firmly on our necks as a result.
Regulations to make terms and conditions to be as understandable as possible by busy people or people with limited understanding of company practices and the t&c to be fact checked by the public.
Letting people know there are alternatives and you SHOULD disagree with policies that do not go your way.
Holding entire companies accountable for their claims. Not the CEO as they are just puppets of shareholders and easily replaceable.
Your work of making people economically literate.
But there are gaping problems in every way mentioned (corruption, lobbying and lies) and thus I still believe Luigi is a hero.
It’s almost an inevitability of liberal/Enlightenment-inspired systems. The whole point of the Enlightenment is for people to calmly, rationally, and fairly discuss how to divide resources, determine the collectives’ decisions and agendas, and how to respect each others’ rights.
The way we have done this for the last century is by having a formalized system (laws, bureaucracy, legislation, etc.) to conduct such affairs. This is the principal instrument through which human society abandons its intrinsic violent tendencies, because we can now resolve our differences equitably through a much more deliberate and calm method.
But that also means there is something to gain from gaming this formalized system, since this is now the primary channel through which we determine how resources get divided and who to give power to. If you had the power, it would be almost irrational not to game this system, whether that be by bribing Supreme Court justices or by hiring accountants to give yourself zero taxes despite being a billionaire.
This then means that the formalized system is useless. And when people start realizing it’s useless, why would they bother acting through that system? Suddenly, violence is once again a rational method to negotiate with other parties, because trying to get things done by, say, voting does absolutely nothing.
Luigi - Killed one guy painlessly in a few seconds
Guy he killed - literally denied medicine to children with cancer, allowed thousands to die slowly and painfully in hospital beds after denying them the service they paid for
Under a rational system a man like Brian Thompson would be executed.
What is irrational about it? The system performs exactly as it’s designed. Theres no irrationality.
There’s a societal and moral failing, absolutely. But irrational? No.
Not only that, but in your system, then this CEO wouldn’t exist, and private health insurance companies likely wouldn’t exist either. At least, not in a way where they could deny claims, right?
>What is irrational about it? The system performs exactly as it’s designed. Theres no irrationality.
The irrationality comes from the current system US lives in demanding constant growth of the population and an increased amount of workers while at the same time
1.Forcing people who wish to form families into expensive insurance policies that do not even pay out regardless of if they paid or not
2.Allowing these insurance companies to deny workers the treatment they need to return to work as soon as possible
There's no rationality behind enabling the exploitation done by insurance companies
According to the Cambridge dictionary the word rational means
"based on clear thought and reason"
My arguement is that, if the United States ran on a system built on rationality, meaning if it was based on clear thought and reason. Brian Thompson would be executed for robbing the workers of wealth they needed to form families and grow the population while also harming other businesses and the economy by impeding the injured people's ability to return to work.
Why do you blame the health insurance CEOs but not the doctors who refused to treat them for free? Or the pharmacist industry for not giving him medicine for free? Etc
One health insurance CEO is not the problem. If you want to blame health insurance companies for deaths from denied claims, why don't you blame the doctors, hospitals, nurses, drug companies, etc who still could have treated those patients of they actually wanted to? Why don't you blame the shareholders of the health insurance companies, which btw includes nearly everyone with a pension? Why didn't you blame the health insurance company's other policy holders who could have paid more to cover more treatments? You're like a guy in a house pissed off at the guy who painted it because the paint is peeling, meanwhile the house is on fire.
And since you will probably dodge substance again: you must really love the draft between your ears."
But that also means there is something to gain from gaming this formalized system
This then means that the formalized system is useless.
Um no. That's a ridiculous leap. It just means the systems need reform. Like we've done many times before.
Patronage and civil service reform, antitrust, securities regulations, the New Deal, civil rights and voters rights. None of these were the result of violent uprisings against the state. Only abolition of slavery could classify, albeit ultimately as a question of preserving the Union of states.
Violence as an intentional means to enact progressive change is not only morally impeachable, it's just a terrible strategy outright.
Nowhere did I say that violence is always the answer. In fact, if you go back and read my original comment again, you'll notice how you use the word "most," not "every" or "all."
Nor did I say that all acts of violence are the answer. Every violence that becomes a positive change is backed by collective violence backed by Vox Populi, never has positive societal change come through a single act of individual violence.
Ending polygamy: attempted violence (Google the Utah War)
Ending slavery: violence
Workers rights: violence
Women's suffrage: violence, not as much in the US as there was in the UK.
The Great Depression also saw a lot of violence as well, with riots against the police when mass evictions were happening.
In fact, the Civil Rights movement and LGBT Rights movement were two of the least violent movements from the side of the protesters, but they had a lot of systemic violence used against them.
If someone takes away your job and your ability to put a roof over your families head and feed your children.. has you under constant surveillance and has the ability to attack you with robotic dogs and spray you with automated planes all from their chateau/bunker from Switzerland or Colorado..
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See thats a tough one for CEOs. They could capitulate in the hopes that they aren't next, but that might just prove that violence works and they might still be next.
You know, I too that if someone was able to assassinate the President it would lead to change, but I also see that the changes would absolutely NOT be the kind you are hoping for
Very little would change frankly because of how the system is set up to make sure that the people who get to certain positions of power are always going to do what's best for certain special interests.
It’s inevitable. Human societies are still systems at the end of the day, and like most systems it has an equilibrium. If you push society too far off the equilibrium, like most systems it wants to go back to that equilibrium, just as water fills an empty container lower than the water level.
When you push humans too far, their action set shrinks. They have fewer actions to choose from. And because they are left with nothing, the payoff from going to jail permanently or dying is not that much lower than their current life. We call this desperation but the word is misleading because this is fundamentally a structural phenomenon. No one is desperate if society is maximally fair and all their needs are met. As society drifts off the equilibrium, the likelihood of desperation increases.
In a sense, it doesn’t matter whether desperation and violence leads to anywhere good. It’s like asking why nature strikes a lightning at a tree and causing a massive wildfire. It’s violent but it’s always been part of nature. It just is.
People today also forget that their current lives, which are far freer than lives in the 18th century, are indebted to numerous bloody, violent revolutions throughout history. The modern European democracies owe their genesis to La Terreur. Without the guillotine there is no European democracy. America itself is also founded on a bloody war.
Unfortunately, as you say, any violent revolution is a dice roll. But I don’t see it as a gamble. In a way it’s a means to resolve the uncertainty I have in America. If America deserves to flourish then it’ll rise like a phoenix after a bloody purge. If it does not, if its people cannot rise to the occasion, then we’ll have learned that America was doomed to fail eventually anyways. In either case nature takes its course.
Of course, the ruling class as a whole can easily stop society from crossing the critical point, but I don’t see it happening because there is no force to make them coordinate as individuals. Any CEO unilaterally changing their behavior will just mean they get fired by the board, for example.
One of my favorite macchiavelli quotes is sometimes relevant here
"Men change their rulers willingly, hoping to better themselves, and this hope induces them to take up arms against him who rules, wherein they are deceived because they afterward find by experience they have gone from bad to worse".
That attempt on the Trumptato was hardly real. The Altman one? Probably just a strong self expression. But yeah it seems like people aren't keen on the way things going.
So happy for you and the "regular" people. You can navigate an exam and a copay if you can afford it. It'd be weird tho if you were needing to focus on that every day. The rest of us with chronic conditions actually have to deal with the labyrinthine methods insurers use to avoid paying out for our medical needs. Hopefully you'll never break a bone, or develop cancer, or a heart condition, or get into a car accident, or any of a nearly infinite number of injuries/conditions that insurers with jerk you around for. Then you'll have a taste of what those of us with lifelong chronic issues have to actually deal with daily.
I noticed that, Mr AI "artist." I also noticed you have insurance from your upper management job that covers your needs quite well, significantly better than the majority of diabetics. Those of us that don't have ceo level insurance however, don't have quite the silver spoon that you have. We can't afford expensive computer setups so we can generate slop that looks like purest filth. Our insurance is at the level that strives to avoid paying for anything so our money is a bit tighter. Especially those of us with invisible disabilities. So go ahead and think you're better because you have money and it makes your life easier. In truth, you are absolutely useless and would probably be completely unable to survive without the silver spoon in your mouth.
Even most regular don’t deal with the healthcare system on a daily basis, usually only on their annual/biannual doctor checkup (if they can afford one)
Guarantee I could save someone $150 a month if I took out bullshit purchases from a household, including junk food from grocery runs. Same junk food that eventually lands you in the hospital because of poor health. Eat better, save money and your health.
I don’t need to. It’s only deemed a food desert by metrics. I can easily buy fresh food every Wednesday morning at a market locally where I am. There are fresh fruit and vegetables available at my local grocery stores. I honestly think it’s biased by the amount of fast food restaurants that are located where I live. I think it’s mainly just a skill issue on now knowing how to save money, cook properly, or using benefits to their maximum opportunity.
You can literally get paid for skilled labor training and get a decent job in virtually every area of the US. Most of those jobs also include healthcare plans.
And either way healthcare will never be “free”, not a single country has free healthcare. You pay for it either directly or indirectly through increased taxes.
Americans actually make way more net pay than most other countries around the world because of that fact.
An American making $20,000/yr gets more of their paycheck than any European making the same.
I was run over by a car in 2022. im paralyzed by no fault of my own. I live in daily pain. I get calls from debt collectors everyfuckinmorning at 8:05. im not paying what im not responsible for fuck that and fuck this system.
I have a implant failure and I've been suing my health insurance for the past six months. They have spent well over 6 figures to deny me a $13k surgery. The whole time I'm in pain. Having to fight healthcare would radicalize anyone.
im fighting healthcare and the judicial system that let this fucker off paying less than 2k restitution over his entire probation period. im going fucking insane
I mean i get the sentiment and I understand the guys anger, but you cant just go around killing people without repercussions. Your freeluigi is not the one.
Tell em to only contact you by physical mail, which they legally have to abide by. When the next call inevitably comes, you can sue em for everything and/or get debt canceled. Google more about it.
I got attacked by a Pitbull on the job and neither the person nor my job covered it. Same dog bit a police officer like a week later and he got covered though. The dog got a ticket to heaven. So that’s cool I guess.
my family picked some good religious guy while I was in a coma.
the state im in covered only so much of the immediate medical bills, the defendants insurance covered so much, but new medical bills (caused by ongoing complications of the accident) are not covered and I am expected to pay. fuck that.
then talking to that original attorney he became disabled somewhere along the lines and no longer practices. can't make the shit up.
In my state (FL), that's when you go after the other party for future medical bills, ongoing pain and suffering (seeing as you had a permanent injury), etc. Of course, there's a decent chance that the person who hit you would be "judgment-proof" (i.e. they don't actually have enough assets to pay you back even if you prevail over them in court), but it could be worth at least doing an initial consultation with another attorney about. Most states have a 3-year statue of limitations on these types of claims, so you'd likely be out of luck, but check the SoL in your state online just in case--some states have an SoL up to 6 years.
the person who hit me was an immigrant on visa lol the story just keeps going and going and going
ive consulted with numerous attorneys and they've all basically just been like "yeah... youre kinda fucked dude, our retainer is a gamble with no guarantee here"
I mean accident attorneys should be used to that. They don't get paid unless you get paid. The biggest issue would be if the guy that hit you had car insurance at the time. It's pointless to sue the actual guy if he has no money so you sue the insurance company. I just went through 2 years of this shit, but finally settled it a few months ago. If you have an active case then your attorney can have a Doctor sign a letter of protection saying that they'll get paid when you get paid so they will treat you now. I had 4 different specialists that I had to pay off from my settlement. They usually negotiate way down to what you can afford based on your settlement though so it's not as crazy as what you would pay out of pocket. You just have to find an attorney that will play ball.
Luigi murdered someone, in the back, in cold blood.
Why would we want him freed ? This is not how you deal with problems in a civilized society. Its pure INSANITY you support his freedom. ON WHAT GROUNDS ?
Someone could shoot you based on a perceived wrong doing and your death could be celebrated. Do you think for 5min on the ramifications ?
Life is not fair. Life CANNOT be fair. The nature of the universe is such that fairness is actually laughable.
You can vote and you can educate people. You don't get to kill them.
i said this in another comment and I will say it again, luigi has not been found guilty. the "evidence" found on his person is dubious and debatable on its admissability in court.
if someone wants to shoot me go for it. ive been paralyzed and living in constant pain for the wrongdoing of walking down a street. I am well aware life is unfair. you are preaching to the choir here.
if you dont believe in fair trials for those accused thats fine, but then you cannot be talking about civil societies in the same breath.
92% of Americans have health insurance and outside of very few grandfathered in plans, all are required to cover an annual physical/wellness visit at no cost.
So, financial issues with the system should not be a barrier for your average American to get an annual physical/wellness check.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Americans fail to do so.
So, financial issues with the system should not be a barrier for your average American to get an annual physical/wellness check.
The issue is they are afraid when they go, the doc will find something very minor to investigate and now they're paying for extra tests. The free checkup suddenly becomes not so free, and they're living paycheck to paycheck.
I can safely say as the partner of someone who had a severe 2 year long back injury the system is truly awful. Every insurance company and doctor pushes you around with little to no real care, diagnosis, just to get something to help with the pain took then 4 months. He couldnt even walk...we paid out of pocket ourselves the insurance people were so incompetent and couldnt do anything timely. The constant appointment cancellations, the "Oops they didnt send us that one form please reschedule 2 months from now" bs. I dont blame him for a second
Some people dont deal with it thats the problem some people have the abilities of hara kuri mental health, they choose ignorance, choose hiding from the reality, and allow it to grow, regular people dont see through choice how far the moral freefall has fallen and what needs to be done, an authority profiting offhuman suffering is inhuman not just inhumane and i can see why someone whos actually looking might have an extreme emotional disturbance. It fucking disturbs me.
don't gotta imagine. gf needed emergency surgery last year for a problem that could have been nipped in the bud years ago if doctors had actually listened. insurance won't pay a cent towards the 60k bill because the treatment "wasn't medically necessary". she would have died
No one needs to imagine because health is temporary. None of us will be young forever. You’re all going to have to deal with your country’s healthcare system eventually; that’s why it’s so important to have a strong one.
Ask them how they determined it wasn’t medically necessary and what are the qualifications of the reviewer to make that determination. If they say it was doctor reviewed ask them what type of specialization does the doctor have and what is their experience in the area the procedure is in. Also ask when the last time the reviewer performed surgery in the field and specifically the surgery your GF had. Question everything and keep requesting information on reviewer qualifications and when it’s clear they aren’t qualified to say it wasn’t medically necessary question that as well.
They’re required to tell you the licensed medical professional and their credentials if your claim was denied as not medically necessary. If it’s outside your coverage that’s a contract issue and is different but they can’t have an anonymous medical professional review your claim.
The fact that people have to do shit like this, especially during a time of crisis, is absolutely insane in a first world country. In the richest country on earth, no less.
Health insurance companies aren't just a useless middleman (since it doesn't make sense to have "insurance" for something everyone is going to need at some point, it's not like getting fire insurance on your house). They're actively predatory. They PROFIT from denying you healthcare.
I believe it was Harvard who estimated that there's nearly 45,000 deaths annually in the US which can be directly attributed to health insurance companies. That isn't even to mention all the preventative care that gets denied.
Luigi is a fucking hero as far as I'm concerned. Come get me, FBI.
If people actually care about this stuff, then people need to stop voting for Republicans. One of their biggest goals is to kick as many people off health insurance as they can so they can balloon the deficit with more tax breaks for wealthy cucks. People need to stop voting for Republicans and we can fix this mess.
I used to think this way but democrats have repeatedly shown to be completely ineffective at passing any legislation, and when they do its often some terrible half measure meant to get them votes in the short term but causing problems in the long term. They are completely unwilling to fight corporations.
Look at the situation with rent control in cities like Chicago, helps short term but now you have things like renter bidding wars driving up rents to insane prices for a tiny selection of available apartments because of how many people got grandfathered into low rents and will never want to move. A horrible half measure that didnt address the actual problem of major corporations eating up all the housing into a monopolistic bubble and driving up rents to absurd degrees.
The ACA is one of the few dem movements that retains long term benefit but even then it didnt address the core problem that health insurance companies have far too much power and essentially function as racketeering rings that get to decide how hospitals function. And even as much of a half measure as the ACA was I dont trust the current Dem administration to ever do something that good, not after 4 years of Joe Biden refusing to protect unions while claiming to be the most "pro-Union president".
I really think there is no hope short of complete collapse and restructure of one or both of our major political parties.
I mean, you're I think partially right. But I think you're kinda letting "perfect" be the enemy of "good". Mamdhani winning the NYC mayor's race as a democratic socialist should show you the direction the Democratic party is going on. But we can only effect legislative change of we vote for people who represent those values in the primaries. And if they don't win those primaries, then vote for whoever the nominee is. I think you're underplaying how big of a threat Trump and his dumbass cronies are. They are existential in nature; if they are allowed to take control of the levers of power, we may never get our country back. These are literally the people who said that the "second American revolution will be bloodless as long as the Left allows it's to be". That was said by Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, one half of the group of people that put Trump in power. These people, no joke, want to create a Christian Theocracy. They absolutely cannot be allowed to take power at any point. I know the idea of doing a left wing revolution and tearing down the rot in the system is really appealing; but I think we need to be realistic. We have to work within the system at least for now.
Brother the democratic party fought that every step of the way and Cuomo ran as an independent, and many in the party refused to endorse cause they hoped Cuomo would win.
You're right but I was talking about Democratic voters in terms of the people that need to vote for Dems regardless of who they are, lest our country completely collapses because of Republican knob-slobberers.
You're right but I was talking about Democratic voters in terms of the people that need to vote for Dems regardless of who they are, lest our country completely collapses because of Republican knob-slobberers. I don't want our country to fall to Right Wing Fascism and I will hold my nose and vote for someone I don't like, rather than let Republicans hold the reigns of power again.
Right but the problem is they'd rather run someone who can't win and will lose to the fascists than platform anyone who wants to improve the material conditions of the working class.
If you desperately want Democrats to win, you should be doing everything in your power to call out the party and organize locally to primary every neoliberal sellout and get candidates that will actually motivate voters
Campaigning with Liz Cheney and trying to court a theoretical embarrassed MAGA voter by trying to be diet Republican will not win. The winner every election is the couch. Not voting is still the plurality. People who voted during covid not voting during 2024 over the myriad of duplicitous shit the Democrats were pulling is what allowed fascism to roll in.
And the Democrats don't care.
They would have allowed a comatose, unable to lead Biden head the ticket a second time if there wasn't such an immediate visceral public backlash. And they would have eaten that loss with a smile of their face after lying about his health for years, and just blamed the left wing who were begging for a primary for 2 years
You are delusionally optimistic thinking Mamdani is the direction the democratic party is going in. Hakeem Jeffries and the congressional dems refused to endorse Mamdani after he won the primary because he didnt align with Israel enough, and only endorsed him late into the election when it was clear Mamdani had no chance of losing to Cuomo. Cuomo was the dems choice despite being corrupt and shrouded in controversies and they backed him until it was no longer feasible to.
There are a small amount of exceptions in the Democratic party but their leadership is still run by the same Clinton era shitlibs who are going to be pushing the same policy and taking the same weak, weak stances that got us to where we are and allowed Trump to congregate the power he currently has. I'm not underplaying Trump at all, I'm saying the Democrats are and were complicit in his rise to near totalarian power and they find it acceptable since all they care about is getting payouts from their donors. Voting for dems only briefly delays the democratic backsliding of our country as they have had chance after chance to protect us from it and chose to do nothing.
Look at how they're not disavowing war in Iran or Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Look at how hard they're pushing Gavin Newsome for a 2028 ballot. The democrats are not on your side and never will be. I'd rather accelerate their collapse at this point as its the only way we'll see actual change.
I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about the voters in terms of the future of the party, not the leadership, but ok man. The future of the democratic party is moving further to the Left, based on how popular Leftist politics is becoming with its voters. I was not talking about the Democratic party's current leadership.
Why are the democratic bills that are passed generally a half measure?
Why did the ACA only address part of the issue and not provide a single payer option?
It's because as soon as a democrat in any form pitches legislation that could actually improve the life of every day people, every single republican votes against it.
If even one republican votes to end the filibuster on the ACA, the Democrats dont have to take out the single payer option to appease Independent Joel Lieberman.
The build back better bill only passed after Republicans shred it, taking out extended family leave, shortening the child tax credit, removing 2 years of free community college, remove the addition of dental and vision to Medicaid, among other climate and green energy incentives and tax credits.
Do not get me wrong. The democrats are not great and could be doing much more to better the lives of average Americans. But they are also chained to a boulder which is the entire republican party.
And how did we get to that point? How do the Republicans hold so much power and continue to win elections then if they supposedly only want bad things and Democrats only want good things? How come despite the Democrats always claiming their hands are tied, Trump is being permitted to do whatever he wants but we haven't seen a Democrat hold that level of authority since Lyndon B Johnson was in office???
Really think here before you just claim something like over half of America's voterbase is simply brainwashed or dumb. You're falling for the largest good cop/bad cop routine ever played.
I mean, Gerrymandering, unavoidable amounts of propaganda and at this point almost complete control of mainstream media, and to a certain extent, yes, the dismantling of American education.
No where did I imply that people are stupid for voting republican. I just think many of them are mislead. Not everyone is as online as chronically as millennials and below, and many of those older people grew up with trustworthy journalists and news sources, so they are more likely to take the news at it's word. For many areas across the country, a Sinclair Broadcast Group station is the only way to receive their news, so of course they're going to get a right wing sculpted view of things.
And no way to democrats only want good things. At this point the Democratic party is Bush era republicans. We need further left politicians to hold democrats accountable for their constant bowing to corporate sponsors.
And a decent amount of Trump's power comes from him and his administration absolutely flaunting the fact that tons of the safe guards in our democracy rely on the assumption of an administration focused improving the country rather than enriching themselves.
Most congressional Democrats have zero interest in fixing healthcare either. Just saying "stop voting for republicans" is not going to be the silver bullet for this that you think it'll be
Brian Thompson was also especially maliciously evil and during his 4 years as CEO he TRIPLED the claim denial rate of United Healthcare by implementing an AI tool designed to deny claims. Even by Health Insurance CEO standards dude was pure evil and a lot of people dont know this. I really wonder if we'd be in a worse spot now if other insurance CEOs werent a little bit afraid.
Yeah we'll don't pay a dime on that bill for awhile and see how they try to consolidate it and lower it when they realize they're not getting a fucking dime.
I think what people are saying here is that the American healthcare system is broken as a whole regardless of which class you are in. If it broke a rich person, think of what it does to the rest of us.
He should have blamed the Hawaiian waves (and even did some lumbar stretching, pre-surfing) instead of one insurance company CEO via cold-blood murder.
Spondylitis does not discriminate so easily, to be frank…
lmao the same people supporting assassinations are blowing a fuse after someone points out what the core issue is, because blue team good. We really are fucked.
Adding preexisting conditions protections into it saved a ton of people. The only reason it passed was because republicans gutted it and just gutted it even more. I don’t understand why you dudes seem to have trouble doing basic research on that.
Idk what happened but when the dude died I saw people on every side at least understanding saying "yeah I can see why he did that." Only recently have ive seen people be so hostile to what happened.
Obamacare is literally the current healthcare system lmao republicans haven’t replaced it. They’re malding because their star policy caused them to freak out without realizing that it’s the system they’ve been calling evil this whole time.
Explain to me this weird stance I hear on Obamacare messing up healthcare. I hear this from the most special folks I know I’d love to hear it from someone with at least half a brain.
In as few words as possible Obamacare was a hamfisted but well intentioned attempt to get more people healthcare benefits by among other things forcing employers to offer benefits to full time employees.
What in practice happened is it killed full time work for huge swaths of the population and cranked healthcare costs for those that were paying for their own health insurance/benefits because now the insurance companies need to deal with people who will always be a net drain
Obamacare made the healthcare system better, dipshit. Even though it's a right-wing healthcare program Romney used when he was governor of Massachusetts. The only part that was viewed unfavorably by people was, surprising no one, the mandate to have healthcare.
Obamacare was originally designed to radically better our healthcare system, and *did* in terms of having pre-existing conditions now always covered and having access to health care outside of your employer. Then, Republicans initially stripped it off critical parts, recently decided the affordable part of the affordable care act should die, and they kneecapped the initial exchange rollout, while also trying to repeal it entirely 37 times.
Private health insurance is another thing entirely, dingbat.
His reddit posts showed that he was happy with his surgery and the outcome, saying the surgery helped him relieve his back pain. Contrary to what other replies have said, he nor his family were insured by United, he wasn't denied or had issues with his insurance claim, and right now the motives he had are unknown.
You're totally right, but I also think it's possible he started experiencing pain again and just started to withdraw from society because of it. I don't want to speculate too much; but it would be truly bizarre to get fixed with a surgery, but then withdraw from society and murder a healthcare CEO. I think it's possible the surgery didn't fix everything, and the pain started to become overwhelming.
And that could mean "healthcare system fucked me, now they will pay" or "healthcare system fucked me, what can be done?".
Did his experience with dealing with the system in context of his back injury itself radicalize him or did it set him down a course where his was ultimately radicalized by someone or something else? Is there a "missing piece of the puzzle"?
There seems to be a clear "divide America at all cost" agenda at the moment but with an unclear source. Someone like him would be very valuable to that movement.
Last year I broke my back somehow, no idea how it happened. But it was the worst pain I have ever dealt with. My leg just constantly felt like it was on fire. Instead of immediately scanning my back with an MRI, insurance companies insisted I had to go through a couple weeks of Physical therapy and it did not do shit. I didnt sleep more than an hour a night just from pure exhaustion, I was in agony every day and night, barely any relief with the muscle relaxers or painkillers. I dealt with that for 2 months and tbh if it was any longer I probably wouldve just rather died, but they, relatively quickly got me into surgery compared to some people, but they shouldve got me in sooner. Only reason I suffered so long was because insurance companies really want you to do so much other shit beforehand when it was obvious what was going on, every doctor said you probably have a herniated disc before the MRI confirmed it. If insurance delayed it much more like Mario bro I can understand why he snapped. I payed out of pocket for the PT and I still ended up with about 6k in medical debt, which is much better than the about 50k that was covered.
United changed their claim denial process so much that they got sued by shareholders (Blackrock and others), because they said it was costing too much.
If you think that you're not paying attention or being purposely disingenuous. Take a look at what happened to United Healthcare afterward, all the heat on them. Embezzlement, insider trading, the use of algorithms to determine patient care. It all happened after the justice system was forced to address it.
I don't condone murder, but there was (maybe still is?) shown to be a decrease in the percentage of denials not only at United but other insurance companies across the board after he did it.
In 2020–2023 initial denials were at 10-11%
2024 it’s around 11,8% and 2025 the initial denials rates are around 12%. There is no significant change that could be attributed to the murder.
No they didn't. They are still rising year over year and as others pointed out, the denial rate is the same as it was.
Dude just wasted his life for no reason. Read his manifesto, he even admits he doesn't know why he is doing it and hope others can articulate it for him.
Company makes Millions from exploiting people with the system they lobby for.
gets sued for a fraction of their profits.
"Operation costs"
Cycle continues.
Fighting systems of oppression is schizo, great take fellas, you must feel enlightened. I'm sure the american founding fathers and french revolutionaries were just schizos too.
Those were organized revolutionary vanguards with clear goals for systemic change and class struggle to implement bourgeois rule. This guy did not change a thing, and actual revolutionaries in their fights against oppression generally condemn such tactics as useless adventurisms.
Feelgoodism is really the only thing he accomplished, unless he was merely framed.
I'm sure if Mangione had access to an organised revolutionary vanguard he would have preferred that option, unfortunately the US system oppresses such movements by design, so his options were do nothing and be a victim or take a shitty option that felt like doing something.
Calling him a schizo is reductive, his actions were the result of a broken system and a man with the drive to create change but no reasonable outlets for it.
No, that’s you projecting what you want him to stand for when the facts just aren’t clear yet.
What we know for sure:
His back surgery went well with no major complications
His healthcare insurer was not the one he decided to gun down
The charges of terrorism were dropped for a reason. No strong evidence of him being ideologically or otherwise “revolutionarily”motivated
He made no real politically or ideologically strong statements other than outlining a general hatred for healthcare ceo’s. No rallying calls. No encouragement to rise up. It’s a grievance thing
Pretty in line with Kaczynsky in some ways. Except for the fact that Kaczynsky actually had a somewhat pieced together ideology.
Both of these cases (at least until we know more) fall pretty squarely into the “sorta shizo guy lashes out at the target(s) of his personal grievance” category.
He’s not a perfectly normal, rational actor just because he happens to have a personal reason for why he did it.
I could have my car towed and repo’d with my most important possessions in it, but doesn’t mean i now get to kill the ceo of another towing company in anger because of it. And it especially doesn’t mean that i should get lionised for it by random people online either, just because they happen to fantasise about me sparking a widespread anti-towing revolutionary movement.
He’s kinda schizo. So was Kaczynsky, and he even had an actual ideology to boot. Live with it.
Fair enough, I could be misreading the situation. It's easy to root for the handsome muscular underdog over the soulless ceo, but I suppose life isn't always so black and white. I still feel for the guy schizo or not.
True. Another victim of the system. But it’s important to remember Roosevelt and European social democrats coopted and neutered radical labor to preserve the system, and with the labor movement weakened capital has gradually eroded welfare states and organized labor all over the world.
Simply put, the conditions for such radical change do not exist in today’s world as you’re right to call out. Reformist forces like Obama, or pro/anti-EU figures, continue to disappoint the proletarians that put their faith in them. Not that it can’t make a comeback; bourgeois revolutions took place over a span of several hundred years after all, and recent political developments over the last 20 years (Gen Z “revolutions,” Arab Spring) seem to suggest internationalism, even if spontaneous and disorganized, is more viable than ever in today’s world.
I'm not defending his actions. Calling someone a schizo implies irrational thought, he killed somebody who he correctly saw as playing a large part of a system that lead to his negative experience.
I don't think it was the right thing to do, but I didn't feel bad when they shot osama bin laden and I didn't feel bad about this guy being killed when the system he profits from enables untold suffering and death. Violence shouldn't be the answer but there were no other options for accountability so it's to be expected in such a system
Yes, it is completely normal to feel the same about the United Healthcare CEO as you did about Osama Bin Laden. You are very normal and definitely not a schizo.
Yes, actually, that's why their stupid ass revolution fell into total disarray, resulted in a reaction so bad they horseshoed into a totalitarian empire and plunged Europe into a state of near constant war for 2 fucking decades.
Being incompetent at running a country is not the same as being schizo. The revolution was the result of systemic failures of the monarchy to provide for its people, alongside natural factors such as a harsh winter and poor harvests. One radical is a murderer, many radicals are a revolution.
There were three French revolutions in the span of a hundred years and somehow the one that went least “authoritarian dictatorship” was the *monarchist* one. And that’s not an endorsement of monarchy, which has been a weirdly popular take with some online types. That revolution also sucked, I’m just saying that French Revolutions are that fucking schizo.
I'll be real with you bro, a Healthcare Insurance CEO doesn't deserve justice for his murder. He arguably got Justice by dying after his company was responsible for all those denials.
Brian Thompson, the famous multi-billionaire, not the guy with a net worth of $40 million (who's killers family has a net worth equal to or even higher than his own, and was raised in luxury) raised in a rural, working class family. I guess we are thinking of a different Brian?
Luigi shopped around to get an ineffective treatment that made his pain worse as is your right in America. He was mentally ill and killed dude and Redditors are delusional for thinking murder is how you solve something as complex as healthcare.
Ahh yes the wonderful negotiating power of "take insurance we offer or be unemployed"
It's so easy to get a good job, you just go to the job orchard and pick a ripe one! Nobody is struggling to be gainfully employed right now. There isn't an overwhelming number of people with bachelors, masters and doctorate degrees who are underemployed.
Yeah lol, the "manifesto" and "steps on what to do next" thingy is ridiculous, the way he did everything showed he is indeed decently smart not to carry around in his backpack a piece of paper saying he killed the CEO and writing step by step how he will proceed 😅
The more I read about this case, the less sense it makes. Also the fact that a MacDonald's worker "recognized him" when his face was fully covered and the only visible thing was his eyebrows, which don't even look the same, is even more ridiculous. But if they don't arrest someone, the USA's police will look bad, and a very important lesson will be taught; Such crime can be unpunished.
I would bet good money the US has tonnes of mass surveillance - but the don’t use it unless the elites are really threatened. They decided they needed to find the guy who killed one of their own, used the illegal system, and planted the evidence against him.
We have indeed got terrifying mass surveillance, but we also have laws about how that sort of thing can be used in a criminal case.
Those laws require some degree of transparency, and the elite that own this surveillance shit never want to tip their hand.
Cases like this are an opportunity to force it - either show us how horrifyingly you're spying on everyone (which is honestly their easiest outcome - nothing happened after Snowden) or let this guy walk because there's no lawfully collected evidence.
That could also be a good theory. Either way, we can all agree on how likely it is that he isnt the real culprit. They just found whoever looked similar to this guy to put all the blame on him.
The lesson is, whenever someone important dies, try not to leave home too much. You might pay for it. Lol
From what I recall the McDonald's worker only thought he was sus and called the cops. The police are the one who recognized it was the guy that everyone was seeking.
Yeah I see what you mean, theres a picture of him with his face shown clearer, just covered by a hood. Which doesn't quite look like him, especially the eyebrows, and in some perspectives he looks even less like him.
There is some resemblance, but not enough to say that it is definitely him. And the other "evidences" make it more suspicious than anything.
"oh fuck, were actually really bad at solving crimes. Like 50-60% of murders go unsolved and this guy was high profile, we'll look like the dipshits we are! Hurry, find someone who looks close enough!!!"
"oh fuck, were actually really bad at solving crimes. Like 50-60% of murders go unsolved and this guy was high profile, we'll look like the dipshits we are! Hurry, find someone who looks close enough!!!"
Yeah but not because he isn't the guy. The original guy was saying lets grab a dude that looks like him and pin it. Im saying that would have fallen apart almost instantly.
Ok fair enough actually. Im looking at it from a non US perspective. I have extensive experience in my own country of the court system but not the US where things are probably different. Ill take your point
There are rap3 gangs in Europe my man. Rap3s are over 1300% al over, UK famously had the rap3 gangs in bed with the lovely cops you are presently defending
Basically, sending a message. If a guy can just walk by and kill a CEO and not be arrested/sent to prison, then it means that other can do the same thing. They want to make an example of him, and for that they only need a guy that looks similar to the killer.
The state/elites know if he gets away with it it may encourage similar killings of other similar CEO’s. I’m honestly surprised the haven’t tried censoring the online support or him or made up some fictitious rumour to smear him.
There was a conspiracy theory going around that the CEO pissed off shareholders and/or other important people and used a hitman to kill him, and then proceeded to frame Luigi.
When both sides are constantly telling you that everyone is out to get you, paranoia ensues.
Paranoia creates more clicks, then more clicks, then more! Before you know you have pooped next to Johnny Depps head in bed for some sort of revenge because of me too paranoia.
lol I appreciate your concern but I’m no radical. I believe in due process.
However, anyone that pretends this individual wasn’t bringing more harm than good, is out of their mind. Any system that prioritize profit over life, this is going to eventually happen when people get desperate.
I agree. Criminals should be given fair trial and be punished according to the law, or not punished at all. They shouldn't be killed by vigilantes who think they ought to be the judge of life and death.
Yea, vigilante justice, big distinction. There’s a reason we don’t do that anymore. Just because you and others decide someone is a morally bad person or even a criminal doesn’t give you the right to kill them.
How would you feel if someone took HIM out as revenge before his trial was over or after he was found not-guilty because they hated him? Would that also be “justice?”
Didnt he have his run nerfed by relatives medical bills along with his own back pain treatment practically rendering his perfect setup a fast waste of effort.
Being part of the erudite faction he had the means to realize the legal route was suboptimal and went for for the Revenge any% speedrun instead.
IIRC, his insurance company wouldn't pay for the surgeon he wanted, and sent him to some second-rate sawbones who fucked up the operation and left him in a lot of pain.
Bro, did you not fucking read the news, anecdotes, or read the data points or systemic changes and how the executives at UH/KP/BCBS were fucking sweating in the boardrooms after that?
If it's anything like that "pledge" the other dork linked me to my point stands. "We're going to change things guys, for real!" Nothing has changed, you're a fool if you fall for the bread and circus
Same Exact reason why most people on Reddit who complain about healthcare and dogmatically idolize Luigi are individuals who are just well off young people, rarely partaking in the healthcare system and if anything has had mostly good experiences in the system….huh…ironically all just like luigi is/did….crazy huh? Lol as opposed to the actual typically but not always older individuals taken advantage of with morbidities
Reason being as it always is, not knowing how the world works and regurgitating already regurgitated talking points on the internet
The simplest explanation is that he developed an extremely strong belief that the US healthcare system is bad and decided to kill the CEO of one of the worst ones in the hopes that this would affect some kind of change. He probably drew more attention to the issue, but I don't really know if more politicians, lawmakers, policymakers, etc. are talking about it more consistently than before.
LUIGI IS A PATSY. watch the original footage bro. Shit is so easily memory holed, that is not him. People just accept the reality provided for them I guess.
Here's an idea: he didn't do it. He's a generic-looking white guy with dark hair, just like the shooter in the video. That describes like half of America. And if he was really the guy why did the cops feel the need to plant evidence in his bag and violate his civil rights? He's taking the fall for the real killer because the system needs to make an example of someone to show that you can't kill CEOs and get away with it and to cover up their own incompetence of being able to catch the real perp. It wouldn't even surprise me if they specifically manipulated him into going along with it and that's why he said stuff that makes him seem like people expect him to be. For all we know his actual beliefs could be more in line with the oligarchs than with the rest of us, but he's playing along so the media can craft the story they want.
To be clear, I'm not saying he definitely didn't do it. I'm just saying he MIGHT not have done it, and everyone assuming he did it on all sides of the issue is jumping the gun. What I think would be hilarious would be if he got found guilty then the real killer posts a video or something confessing to the crime and proving they did it. Thing is they've already fled the country and have been granted asylum by wherever they are. That would go a long way in showing just how stupid and corrupt our justice system is. As if that weren't obvious enough already.
Trotsky‘s text „On Terror“ tells you exactly why what he did won‘t solve that problem. They paid more insurance out a short while after, but then they went back to business as usual. And the CEOs have more security measures now
Yeah but people whove only evrr seen the bubble and fantasy of happy life only good choices before them beleiving they did it all themselves they never questioned anything in their life, those type of people are easier to break you could have him beleiving anything in hours with drugs and treatment, sleep deprevation, overloaded senses, fear, and then the save from your captor that gives you a beleivable story your slowly fed in the fore and background hed be feeliing thankfull for the homicidal nartative he knows what crazy is because hes just been through it but cant quite remember when everything got crazy, this shits been going off since kennedy, go look at what happened to maryline monroe, a celebrated and outwardly happy person who killed herself whilst living in the house of two 'psychologists' who just happened to be part of a jewish psychological movement to control people because they cant be trusted with freedom. The manipulation has been improving all this time.
This is how revolutions start but Americans are far too cucked and emasculated to follow up on this in anyway, not even a strong protest, can bland big corpo for behaving like they do when they know they have such good goys
Experience with the system + intelligence not to lash out at the nearest insignificant cog in the system + education to identify where his backlash would matter.
Doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers get assaulted all the time by patients failed by the system. By patients who are rightfully fed up with the same frustrations, just don't know where and how to channel it so the system actually feels it. The difference was that this time someone of note was the target, and not a regular worker got repurposed as human shield as intended. That's where the scare came from.
Working class woman betrayed a hero of the Working class that came from nobility, and the state makes a show of it as the wealth gap becomes greater.
Like in the movies.
Realising and trying to fix a problem with nobody actually getting interested in the real world. Sadly nothing is working anymore, everyones just here and in the meantime our real world dies. But oh well...at least I really do not care while being activly aware about it. I just play video games. Go watch my stream on youtube.
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because the average person forgot about him just like they forgot about the soldier that toasted himself while shouting “free Palestine”. Even the goobers who supported them 110% within that breaking 24 hour news cycle have forgotten their names.
Why does it have to be a poor person who can only act out when he sees financial injustice. Would it be more believable or justified if it was a homeless person?
AI, pretty much says it right there. What people don't know and understand about it is beyond belief. What that one piece of Hal style interaction can change in a person, and in which ever direction the owner of the AI so chooses. Regular people out of AI circles do not understand
He was part of a group planning the assassination and he happend to be the guy that was the best off and decided to take the blame. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even shoot himself, the pictures from the security cameras still just look a little off.
Quercus408@reddit
Somewhere along the line, he learned the true difference between right and wrong.
BluntTruthGentleman@reddit
Except he didn't fucking do a thing, since he wasn't the person in the surveillance footage. Different backpack, different facial features, different shoes.
Idk if he was some kind of patsy but he was clearly framed (whether intentionally or not) and then quickly made an example of.
All of these people praising him are just martyring him into the criminal he never was and essentially condemning an innocent guy, albeit for a good cause.
neoqueto@reddit
I think peoples' hearts yearn for a revolution and we worship the idea of Luigi. Mamma mia, let's-a go!
vaterl@reddit
intelligent reddiots (karma literally adds to you iq, if you dont agree you are a facist capitalist bigot) when they watch video with their own two eyes and still have to tell themselves everybody else is wrong and they're right
JamesHenry627@reddit
He can't exactly come out and say "that wasn't me." Dude would lose all protection from that since this trial is still gonna take a long time.
BluntTruthGentleman@reddit
He's pleaded innocent the entire time despite pressure from both sides. He's not guilty
ImNotABotScoutsHonor@reddit
You're getting downvoted (currently at -4) but you're right.
It's a very simple thing to look up and verify:
https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-luigi-mangione-nyc-bc926d92af482822c3186d55b87c5115
TheNipplerCrippler@reddit
Correct that he pleaded not guilty. Remains to be seen if he is correct in that he is *not* guilty.
BluntTruthGentleman@reddit
"Remains to be seen"
You do realize though that in criminal law, one needs to be *proven* guilty *beyond any reasonable doubt*.
Given that he has not been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt of any criminal act, what does that *currently* make his status? I'm pretty sure there's a word for it. "Something" until proven guilty, if you can recall.
ImNotABotScoutsHonor@reddit
Instead of crippling them, can you just caress my nipples? They're very sore today for some reason.
ExtraPomelo759@reddit
And even if he did do it, until a verdict's reached: no he didn't.
Innocent till proven guilty.
yellowistherainbow@reddit
How could he do it even? He was at my place at the time of the murder playing vidya
TOboulol@reddit
No he was 100% eating my ass after making me some linguine carbonara for our 5th year anniversary.
My life is real.
makingkevinbacon@reddit
Your life sounds pretty neat.
Amun-Ree@reddit
Yeah i remember cos he beat dark souls with his humanity intact, unlike those ceos and to prove it he destroyed a Ceaseless discharge free of charge.
deathandtechno@reddit
What murdaaaa? He was the best guy around!
Jiveturtle@reddit
Innocent and not guilty mean two different things. You can absolutely have committed a crime and be found not guilty, which just means criminal liability hasn’t been imposed. This is why you can still be sued civilly for an act you were found criminally “not guilty” of; they’re two different standards.
Pogo__the__Clown@reddit
Do I think he shot the guy? Possibly. Do I think he’s guilty of the crime of murder? Absolutely not.
MajorCrafter@reddit
Murder? Pest Control? What’s the difference
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Using this logic, Trump isn't a pedo.
Kinslayer_89@reddit
And even if he did do it and it was proven, he did nothing wrong.
Consistent-Throat130@reddit
And a jury could find him not guilty on the grounds that "he did nothing wrong", not necessarily "he didn't do it".
Kinslayer_89@reddit
Only affordable healthcare for all can keep healthcare CEOs alive.
Bay1Bri@reddit
I guess OJ was innocent and bin pattern did nothing wrong since neither was convicted of criminal charges
Decisive_Victory_026@reddit
Same with Trump, right?
drwicksy@reddit
So you agree he is guilty of the things he has actually been convicted on then?
Decisive_Victory_026@reddit
After breaking their own laws, NY found him liable of sexual assault and guilty of felony fraud.
Anything outside of that isn't proven
drwicksy@reddit
So you agree he is a rapist (sexual assaulter) right?
Decisive_Victory_026@reddit
You need to look up these two terms.
My previous comment stands
drwicksy@reddit
I am aware they are different things, I wrote rapists as sexual assaulter sounds weird. But to clarify, since you believe in innocence until proven guilty for Trump, then surely you have to accept he is a fraudster and sex criminal now then?
Decisive_Victory_026@reddit
Yet you still wrote sexual assaulter. Are you a liar or pushing propaganda?
drwicksy@reddit
But he was found guilty of sexual assault, so he is a sexual assaulter. Also way to dodge the question.
Do you or do you not accept that Trump is a fraudster and sex criminal?
Decisive_Victory_026@reddit
Ah, so you're a liar.
Because an honest person would know I answered that question already. Rephrasing it doesn't make it any new idea.
drwicksy@reddit
Ok keep dodging my dude.
You just dont want to say outlout that dear leader is a liar.
I havent lied once, I even clarified what I meant by rapist as the term in casual parlance has one meaning but legally it has a different one.
But if you dont want to answer my simple question then theres no point I continuing. Have a good day ahead.
RymrgandsDaughter@reddit
he was at my house playing civ 6 trust me bro
GoldenSkull2000@reddit
Isn't he also the UI designer for Civ 6?
Nom_de_Guerre_23@reddit
Was an intern there I think.
music3k@reddit
he was at my place playing mario kart on the my switch. solid dude
0x474f44@reddit
Al Capone was a mobster and got people killed. He was only ever found guilty of tax evasion though.
There is a difference between the court of public opinion and a criminal court. It can be obvious but not legally provable that someone is guilty.
I’m not saying that this is the case here. I’m just saying you don’t have to assume someone is innocent until he is proven guilty. Only the justice system has to do that
Zackie86@reddit
Doesn't he have a manifesto though?
BluntTruthGentleman@reddit
Martyrs never plead innocent
LozzaG123@reddit
And if he did it and doesn't want to be a martyr?
NotLunaris@reddit
The person you are talking to has already deemed him a martyr. It doesn't matter who he is or what he did at this point, it's all about feels over reals
Walden_Walkabout@reddit
Yeah, he did it. But his fans will tell you he is a hero for having done it but it definitely wasn't him.
onarainyafternoon@reddit
This comment is embrassing. He was obviously the person in the surveillance video since they have the same smile and face; it was a different backpack because he ditched the one he had before he left the city. Are you saying it's impossible for him to have changed his clothes after committing a murder? Give a break, dude. You have fallen way too hard into the conspiracy memes.
Sober_Alcoholic_@reddit
Among many, MANY other instances, when we found out the global elites were trafficking and fucking children for decades and the worlds tenements knew and actively covered it up…
They lost all credibility. Deservedly so.
You’re not wrong in this particular argument, but your naivety will be your downfall.
8npemb@reddit
How the FUCK is that commenter naive in the slightest?? They’re actually using critical thinking, taking into account information that is credible and verifiable. They’re not “naive” for not immediately believing some crackpot conspiracy theory. Your mentality is perpetuating doubt in real, verifiable evidence.
jubjubwarrior@reddit
Who is the most prominent elite, besides Epstein, who has been found to have fucked a child?
Bay1Bri@reddit
Can't tell if you're an idiot or fell too deep into memes
WeightedPaper@reddit
I think it’s an attempt to train LLMs
PlentyOMangos@reddit
This is what I have suspected the whole time; it’s super refreshing to see someone else say this again after so long
twotokers@reddit
Don’t let random reddit comments reinforce your delusions. None of know shit about what happened.
PlentyOMangos@reddit
It’s not that I *know* anything but that I have suspected. I’m still not even 100% confident but like I said, I have suspected it and I used to see lots more talk about that idea but it sort of went away
BluntTruthGentleman@reddit
Martyrs never plead innocent regard
Gackt@reddit
Yep, italian guy is a plant/patsy
That_Guy381@reddit
confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Amun-Ree@reddit
Its strange to kill a ceo to answer the inhumanity of healthcare systems the shareholders will just appoint another with a mandate to increase profits for its shareholders, finding the top shareholders across multiple fortune 500's is the real place to start,
spooner248@reddit
Bingo\^ I still don’t even think this is the same guy. Also, I remember when the news first broke out, didn’t police say they found a gun and manifesto in a bag in NYC? Then they said they found a gun and manifesto on his person? Correct me if I’m wrong please.
Either way, it doesn’t make any sense. Why would he carry his gun and manifesto on his person when he fled? He was smart enough to orchestrate the attack but dumb enough to do that? Yeah, I don’t think so.
hornwalker@reddit
I wonder why the defense doesn't put out an add asking for witnesses to come forward....
waxwayne@reddit
It follows the same beats as the Charlie Kirk suspect. The evidence just doesn’t make any sense.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Lol they have a clear image of his face, it was 100% him.
Intrepid_Beginning@reddit
If they were going to frame someone it would not have been someone as attractive as him.
Amun-Ree@reddit
He could be an operative of an agency and the incident is his legend, but who the fuck really knows if elon musk is even real and not an ai generated hoax we live in the age of lies, the only certainty is what your being fed is bollocks
Saltknacker11@reddit
the only guy who actually gets it
morbnowhere@reddit
Guy who did it is a blonde with a buzz cut. Think flash from raimi spiderman, thin brows, sharp nose. Not him.
Decisive_Victory_026@reddit
And chose evil
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
Nah
Liiraye-Sama@reddit
So you are knowingly doing the wrong thing despite his clear guidance? Quit the larping please lol
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
Whose clear guidance?
TiltedDoge@reddit
Ok buddy.
MoozInTheHouz@reddit
And still did the wrong thing???
theredhound19@reddit
https://i.redd.it/fil0xartl2zg1.gif
yumstheman@reddit
He had a severe back injury and was radicalized by having to deal with our shitty healthcare system.
ace_violent@reddit
Born with severe asthma and eczema, I routinely deal with the healthcare system and I get why he did it. We all think it, he just went and did it.
RapidXpansion@reddit
and what changed ? other than a family losing their father/husband.
its sicko thinking to be ok with murdering a person as if it would change institutional norms.
Pinkflamingos69@reddit
It doesn't change if you only stop at one, how many families are missing fathers, mothers, or even children because that sack of shit Jack Thompson doubled the denials of claims.
coffee_map_clock@reddit
Idk if we all consider murdering someone...
Also, it didn't fix shit. If you are going to spend your life on a cause like this, why not commit to full time activism rather than an feckless act of personal catharsis?
star_cannon7k@reddit
It made anon post about him and you comment on this. It has gained way more traction than any kind of activism.
coffee_map_clock@reddit
We are measuring success by number of reddit comments?
If anything it has clouded the waters of actual healthcare reform and made the conversation about assasination not fixing a broken system.
star_cannon7k@reddit
Enlighten me.
How would you reform the health system?
And what have you done till date?
RapidXpansion@reddit
so you changed the subject instead of answering their question
WHAT DID THE MURDERER ACCOMPLISH ?
voting and education are the tools we have. ending someone's life is WILD.
star_cannon7k@reddit
I agree on one thing with you. Not me, not any redditor, nor any person has a right to decide who lives and who dies.
A doctor can also refuse to operate on a patient and let them die and that is their choice. But is that what is commonly believed?
If you are a company that makes tall claims of helping you with your medical bills and takes your hard earned money, just to deny you the benefits due to technicality. Then is that fair?
ace_violent@reddit
UHC began approving more claims and kept doing it until they got sued by their parent company, Blackrock, for spending too much money.
coffee_map_clock@reddit
The mob wants blood man. Even if it will make their own material conditions worse. They just want to see, how did Hassan put it, "the streets run red with capitalist blood".
coffee_map_clock@reddit
Well I haven't killed anyone in cold blood so I consider myself ahead of the insane curve you guys seem to be looking to.
I would reform it by removing as many regulations as possible that allow insurance companies to rent seek. But to grasp why that would work, far more people would need to have a better understanding of economics.
But you try your way. Go kill some more insurance executives and see if we get better healthcare or if the government boot just gets pressed more firmly on our necks as a result.
star_cannon7k@reddit
So vague.
Here is my 2 cents.
Regulations to make terms and conditions to be as understandable as possible by busy people or people with limited understanding of company practices and the t&c to be fact checked by the public.
Letting people know there are alternatives and you SHOULD disagree with policies that do not go your way.
Holding entire companies accountable for their claims. Not the CEO as they are just puppets of shareholders and easily replaceable.
Your work of making people economically literate.
But there are gaping problems in every way mentioned (corruption, lobbying and lies) and thus I still believe Luigi is a hero.
Equira@reddit
so why haven't you done that yet
coffee_map_clock@reddit
I try to spread the word on economic literacy but ya'll really don't wanna hear it.
You just want to believe killing people and declaring things "free" will fix things when both paths will make things much worse.
Vanzmelo@reddit
As a type 1 diabetic…yupppppp
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
He’s not radicalized. He simply realized what the only way to reform the system is.
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
You’re openly advocating for violence as the “only way to reform the system” on Reddit.com.
Pack it up buddy.
TheDwiin@reddit
Most large scale positive changes has come about through violence, especially in the US. To claim otherwise is to be willfully ignorant.
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
It’s almost an inevitability of liberal/Enlightenment-inspired systems. The whole point of the Enlightenment is for people to calmly, rationally, and fairly discuss how to divide resources, determine the collectives’ decisions and agendas, and how to respect each others’ rights.
The way we have done this for the last century is by having a formalized system (laws, bureaucracy, legislation, etc.) to conduct such affairs. This is the principal instrument through which human society abandons its intrinsic violent tendencies, because we can now resolve our differences equitably through a much more deliberate and calm method.
But that also means there is something to gain from gaming this formalized system, since this is now the primary channel through which we determine how resources get divided and who to give power to. If you had the power, it would be almost irrational not to game this system, whether that be by bribing Supreme Court justices or by hiring accountants to give yourself zero taxes despite being a billionaire.
This then means that the formalized system is useless. And when people start realizing it’s useless, why would they bother acting through that system? Suddenly, violence is once again a rational method to negotiate with other parties, because trying to get things done by, say, voting does absolutely nothing.
Cuplike@reddit
Luigi - Killed one guy painlessly in a few seconds
Guy he killed - literally denied medicine to children with cancer, allowed thousands to die slowly and painfully in hospital beds after denying them the service they paid for
Under a rational system a man like Brian Thompson would be executed.
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
That’s the system’s fault, not the CEO. When you have for-profit insurance, that’s the result of the system.
Denying claims means more money.
The incentive is all wrong.
Why would a system execute someone for doing exactly what it’s supposed to do?
Cuplike@reddit
Read the part where I said "under a rational system."
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
What is irrational about it? The system performs exactly as it’s designed. Theres no irrationality.
There’s a societal and moral failing, absolutely. But irrational? No.
Not only that, but in your system, then this CEO wouldn’t exist, and private health insurance companies likely wouldn’t exist either. At least, not in a way where they could deny claims, right?
Don’t be obtuse.
Cuplike@reddit
>What is irrational about it? The system performs exactly as it’s designed. Theres no irrationality.
The irrationality comes from the current system US lives in demanding constant growth of the population and an increased amount of workers while at the same time
1.Forcing people who wish to form families into expensive insurance policies that do not even pay out regardless of if they paid or not
2.Allowing these insurance companies to deny workers the treatment they need to return to work as soon as possible
There's no rationality behind enabling the exploitation done by insurance companies
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
That’s not what rationality means.
Cuplike@reddit
According to the Cambridge dictionary the word rational means
"based on clear thought and reason"
My arguement is that, if the United States ran on a system built on rationality, meaning if it was based on clear thought and reason. Brian Thompson would be executed for robbing the workers of wealth they needed to form families and grow the population while also harming other businesses and the economy by impeding the injured people's ability to return to work.
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
If you ever have to cite a dictionary to explain yourself, you already lost.
Go re read what I said. Hell, go put it in your favorite LLM. Maybe then you’ll understand what I’m telling you.
Bay1Bri@reddit
Why do you blame the health insurance CEOs but not the doctors who refused to treat them for free? Or the pharmacist industry for not giving him medicine for free? Etc
Weird-Sandwich-1923@reddit
Man, you must absolutely LOVE the taste of boots.
Bay1Bri@reddit
So, you can't answer?
One health insurance CEO is not the problem. If you want to blame health insurance companies for deaths from denied claims, why don't you blame the doctors, hospitals, nurses, drug companies, etc who still could have treated those patients of they actually wanted to? Why don't you blame the shareholders of the health insurance companies, which btw includes nearly everyone with a pension? Why didn't you blame the health insurance company's other policy holders who could have paid more to cover more treatments? You're like a guy in a house pissed off at the guy who painted it because the paint is peeling, meanwhile the house is on fire.
And since you will probably dodge substance again: you must really love the draft between your ears."
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
That’s why you just comment on r/askgaybros instead of whatever you’re advocating for.
Ozzy-@reddit
Um no. That's a ridiculous leap. It just means the systems need reform. Like we've done many times before.
Patronage and civil service reform, antitrust, securities regulations, the New Deal, civil rights and voters rights. None of these were the result of violent uprisings against the state. Only abolition of slavery could classify, albeit ultimately as a question of preserving the Union of states.
Violence as an intentional means to enact progressive change is not only morally impeachable, it's just a terrible strategy outright.
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
And you are incapable of doing anything about it despite how bad you claim things to be
TheDwiin@reddit
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
You are implying that we need to change our system and have to do so via violence by citing historical precedent.
I am saying that you are not capable of this, because if you believed anything you said, you’d already be on the news
TheDwiin@reddit
So you're misreadingthe subtext of my comment.
Nowhere did I say that violence is always the answer. In fact, if you go back and read my original comment again, you'll notice how you use the word "most," not "every" or "all."
Nor did I say that all acts of violence are the answer. Every violence that becomes a positive change is backed by collective violence backed by Vox Populi, never has positive societal change come through a single act of individual violence.
Bay1Bri@reddit
No, not really dude
TheDwiin@reddit
Yes really.
US being its own sovereign nation: violence.
Ending polygamy: attempted violence (Google the Utah War)
Ending slavery: violence
Workers rights: violence
Women's suffrage: violence, not as much in the US as there was in the UK.
The Great Depression also saw a lot of violence as well, with riots against the police when mass evictions were happening.
In fact, the Civil Rights movement and LGBT Rights movement were two of the least violent movements from the side of the protesters, but they had a lot of systemic violence used against them.
ehdyn@reddit
If someone takes away your job and your ability to put a roof over your families head and feed your children.. has you under constant surveillance and has the ability to attack you with robotic dogs and spray you with automated planes all from their chateau/bunker from Switzerland or Colorado..
Do you consider that violence?
CruisingandBoozing@reddit
And what are you doing about it?
You really believe that? Why are you just sitting on your ass jerking off on Reddit about aliens and other nonsense?
Clearly, you don’t believe it.
If you did, you’d not be on here
the_bleach_eater@reddit
Almost all democracies are built on piles of corpses
greentext-ModTeam@reddit
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Delcap@reddit
Yeah remember all that reform that happened after he killed him? Oh wait
Shirkir@reddit
Then explain Tetsuya Yamagami in contrast being highly successful in causing reforms.
M0rgr0m@reddit
See thats a tough one for CEOs. They could capitulate in the hopes that they aren't next, but that might just prove that violence works and they might still be next.
ReturnRadio@reddit
Lol when you commit violence in the name of ideology it only sets that ideology back. Your average person doesn't approve of murder. Nice larp.
Steelwolf73@reddit
You know, I too that if someone was able to assassinate the President it would lead to change, but I also see that the changes would absolutely NOT be the kind you are hoping for
M0rgr0m@reddit
Very little would change frankly because of how the system is set up to make sure that the people who get to certain positions of power are always going to do what's best for certain special interests.
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
It’s inevitable. Human societies are still systems at the end of the day, and like most systems it has an equilibrium. If you push society too far off the equilibrium, like most systems it wants to go back to that equilibrium, just as water fills an empty container lower than the water level.
When you push humans too far, their action set shrinks. They have fewer actions to choose from. And because they are left with nothing, the payoff from going to jail permanently or dying is not that much lower than their current life. We call this desperation but the word is misleading because this is fundamentally a structural phenomenon. No one is desperate if society is maximally fair and all their needs are met. As society drifts off the equilibrium, the likelihood of desperation increases.
In a sense, it doesn’t matter whether desperation and violence leads to anywhere good. It’s like asking why nature strikes a lightning at a tree and causing a massive wildfire. It’s violent but it’s always been part of nature. It just is.
People today also forget that their current lives, which are far freer than lives in the 18th century, are indebted to numerous bloody, violent revolutions throughout history. The modern European democracies owe their genesis to La Terreur. Without the guillotine there is no European democracy. America itself is also founded on a bloody war.
Unfortunately, as you say, any violent revolution is a dice roll. But I don’t see it as a gamble. In a way it’s a means to resolve the uncertainty I have in America. If America deserves to flourish then it’ll rise like a phoenix after a bloody purge. If it does not, if its people cannot rise to the occasion, then we’ll have learned that America was doomed to fail eventually anyways. In either case nature takes its course.
Of course, the ruling class as a whole can easily stop society from crossing the critical point, but I don’t see it happening because there is no force to make them coordinate as individuals. Any CEO unilaterally changing their behavior will just mean they get fired by the board, for example.
Icy_Magician_9372@reddit
One of my favorite macchiavelli quotes is sometimes relevant here
"Men change their rulers willingly, hoping to better themselves, and this hope induces them to take up arms against him who rules, wherein they are deceived because they afterward find by experience they have gone from bad to worse".
momoreco@reddit
That attempt on the Trumptato was hardly real. The Altman one? Probably just a strong self expression. But yeah it seems like people aren't keen on the way things going.
sassydodo@reddit
Well, something something system is something something
Internet_Wanderer@reddit
So happy for you and the "regular" people. You can navigate an exam and a copay if you can afford it. It'd be weird tho if you were needing to focus on that every day. The rest of us with chronic conditions actually have to deal with the labyrinthine methods insurers use to avoid paying out for our medical needs. Hopefully you'll never break a bone, or develop cancer, or a heart condition, or get into a car accident, or any of a nearly infinite number of injuries/conditions that insurers with jerk you around for. Then you'll have a taste of what those of us with lifelong chronic issues have to actually deal with daily.
P.S. Douche
sassydodo@reddit
Jokes on you, I have type 1 diabetes for 28 years
Internet_Wanderer@reddit
I noticed that, Mr AI "artist." I also noticed you have insurance from your upper management job that covers your needs quite well, significantly better than the majority of diabetics. Those of us that don't have ceo level insurance however, don't have quite the silver spoon that you have. We can't afford expensive computer setups so we can generate slop that looks like purest filth. Our insurance is at the level that strives to avoid paying for anything so our money is a bit tighter. Especially those of us with invisible disabilities. So go ahead and think you're better because you have money and it makes your life easier. In truth, you are absolutely useless and would probably be completely unable to survive without the silver spoon in your mouth.
Przedrzag@reddit
Even most regular don’t deal with the healthcare system on a daily basis, usually only on their annual/biannual doctor checkup (if they can afford one)
Dezzolve@reddit
Labs and a physical are two incredibly affordable procedures, you can get both done for <$150
Raizau@reddit
This implies people have $150 laying around
oNI_TF@reddit
Guarantee I could save someone $150 a month if I took out bullshit purchases from a household, including junk food from grocery runs. Same junk food that eventually lands you in the hospital because of poor health. Eat better, save money and your health.
Raizau@reddit
This implies nobody lives in a food desert.
oNI_TF@reddit
I live in a food desert.
Dezzolve@reddit
Move?
oNI_TF@reddit
I don’t need to. It’s only deemed a food desert by metrics. I can easily buy fresh food every Wednesday morning at a market locally where I am. There are fresh fruit and vegetables available at my local grocery stores. I honestly think it’s biased by the amount of fast food restaurants that are located where I live. I think it’s mainly just a skill issue on now knowing how to save money, cook properly, or using benefits to their maximum opportunity.
Dezzolve@reddit
Okay so what was the point of you commenting that you live in a food desert.
Your initial comment implies that you don’t have easy access to affordable and healthy food.
Carbonatite@reddit
This comment is wildly out of touch
alvik@reddit
I recently got the bill for my bloodwork that was done with my physical. $250, and that's with insurance.
Dezzolve@reddit
I don’t have insurance and I paid $60 to have a full set of labs done in a HCOL area in January. I get a physical biannually for $70.
JeffafaCree@reddit
Good thing you set the prices for everybody everywhere
Dezzolve@reddit
The same could be said about the guy who said it cost him $250.
That was the entire point of why I commented, prices vary. Even if it is $250 that’s still not a lot of money for a once every year expense.
Most people pay that for streaming services over the course of a year, most people spend that much on fast food/coffee every month.
If your budget is so tight you can’t afford it, rethink how you’re living and the amount of effort you’re putting into improving your life.
I know people without high school diplomas that can support their families on their salary alone. What’s your excuse.
Shaggy1316@reddit
Are you paralyzed?
Dezzolve@reddit
I was responding to the commenter above saying that checkups might be something most people can’t afford.
If you can’t afford $150 once or twice a year you’re beyond broke.
Shaggy1316@reddit
Okay, my mistake.
helendill99@reddit
70% of americans have less than $1000 in their savings account. $150 is a lot of money for something that should be free.
Dezzolve@reddit
Good thing $150 is less than $1000.
You can literally get paid for skilled labor training and get a decent job in virtually every area of the US. Most of those jobs also include healthcare plans.
And either way healthcare will never be “free”, not a single country has free healthcare. You pay for it either directly or indirectly through increased taxes.
Americans actually make way more net pay than most other countries around the world because of that fact.
An American making $20,000/yr gets more of their paycheck than any European making the same.
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
I was run over by a car in 2022. im paralyzed by no fault of my own. I live in daily pain. I get calls from debt collectors every fuckin morning at 8:05. im not paying what im not responsible for fuck that and fuck this system.
FreeLuigi
AlabasterNutSack@reddit
Quasi-Kaiju@reddit
I have a implant failure and I've been suing my health insurance for the past six months. They have spent well over 6 figures to deny me a $13k surgery. The whole time I'm in pain. Having to fight healthcare would radicalize anyone.
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
im fighting healthcare and the judicial system that let this fucker off paying less than 2k restitution over his entire probation period. im going fucking insane
discgolfallday@reddit
That sucks. I'm sorry all of that happened to you. Best of luck
villach@reddit
Utter madness and evil on their part. Hang in there, buddy!
Weewoes@reddit
I mean i get the sentiment and I understand the guys anger, but you cant just go around killing people without repercussions. Your freeluigi is not the one.
rg4rg@reddit
Mass murderers aren’t people though.
Cigarettes-and-Candy@reddit
Mass murderer? I'm a bit rusty on my current goings-on...thought he only capped 1 ass?
rg4rg@reddit
I was talking about the CEO being the mass murderer.
Adnotamentum@reddit
(They're referring to the healthcare CEO)
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
i agree with your sentiment, but inocent until proven guilty. he hasn't been found guilty yet.
and no matter what the ruling is expect backlash
Weewoes@reddit
Oh I didn't know he wasnt proven guilty yet. I haven't kept up with it and assumed it was sorted. My bad.
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
hes repeatedly plead not guilty. some of the "evidence" found on him is very dubious and possibly inadmissable in court.
this probably wont be sorted for a while.
Weewoes@reddit
Oh damn, ill have to look into it yhen, sounds interesting.
green_boi@reddit
Tell em to only contact you by physical mail, which they legally have to abide by. When the next call inevitably comes, you can sue em for everything and/or get debt canceled. Google more about it.
IrregularrAF@reddit
I got attacked by a Pitbull on the job and neither the person nor my job covered it. Same dog bit a police officer like a week later and he got covered though. The dog got a ticket to heaven. So that’s cool I guess.
oNI_TF@reddit
You didn’t get an accident attorney to represent you?
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
my family picked some good religious guy while I was in a coma.
the state im in covered only so much of the immediate medical bills, the defendants insurance covered so much, but new medical bills (caused by ongoing complications of the accident) are not covered and I am expected to pay. fuck that.
then talking to that original attorney he became disabled somewhere along the lines and no longer practices. can't make the shit up.
QuitWhinging@reddit
In my state (FL), that's when you go after the other party for future medical bills, ongoing pain and suffering (seeing as you had a permanent injury), etc. Of course, there's a decent chance that the person who hit you would be "judgment-proof" (i.e. they don't actually have enough assets to pay you back even if you prevail over them in court), but it could be worth at least doing an initial consultation with another attorney about. Most states have a 3-year statue of limitations on these types of claims, so you'd likely be out of luck, but check the SoL in your state online just in case--some states have an SoL up to 6 years.
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
the person who hit me was an immigrant on visa lol the story just keeps going and going and going
ive consulted with numerous attorneys and they've all basically just been like "yeah... youre kinda fucked dude, our retainer is a gamble with no guarantee here"
buckdeluxe@reddit
I mean accident attorneys should be used to that. They don't get paid unless you get paid. The biggest issue would be if the guy that hit you had car insurance at the time. It's pointless to sue the actual guy if he has no money so you sue the insurance company. I just went through 2 years of this shit, but finally settled it a few months ago. If you have an active case then your attorney can have a Doctor sign a letter of protection saying that they'll get paid when you get paid so they will treat you now. I had 4 different specialists that I had to pay off from my settlement. They usually negotiate way down to what you can afford based on your settlement though so it's not as crazy as what you would pay out of pocket. You just have to find an attorney that will play ball.
RapidXpansion@reddit
Luigi murdered someone, in the back, in cold blood.
Why would we want him freed ? This is not how you deal with problems in a civilized society. Its pure INSANITY you support his freedom. ON WHAT GROUNDS ?
Someone could shoot you based on a perceived wrong doing and your death could be celebrated. Do you think for 5min on the ramifications ?
Life is not fair. Life CANNOT be fair. The nature of the universe is such that fairness is actually laughable.
You can vote and you can educate people. You don't get to kill them.
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
so let me educate you:
i said this in another comment and I will say it again, luigi has not been found guilty. the "evidence" found on his person is dubious and debatable on its admissability in court.
if someone wants to shoot me go for it. ive been paralyzed and living in constant pain for the wrongdoing of walking down a street. I am well aware life is unfair. you are preaching to the choir here.
if you dont believe in fair trials for those accused thats fine, but then you cannot be talking about civil societies in the same breath.
viciouspandas@reddit
That's also why most people are happy with their insurance. Most people aren't sick so it doesn't matter...until it does.
Okoro@reddit
92% of Americans have health insurance and outside of very few grandfathered in plans, all are required to cover an annual physical/wellness visit at no cost.
So, financial issues with the system should not be a barrier for your average American to get an annual physical/wellness check.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Americans fail to do so.
leeps22@reddit
Why go if you cant afford the fix for the problems they found for free?
mang87@reddit
The issue is they are afraid when they go, the doc will find something very minor to investigate and now they're paying for extra tests. The free checkup suddenly becomes not so free, and they're living paycheck to paycheck.
moondog__@reddit
THAT RIGHT THERE!!!
AVRGgamer_@reddit
Just because you think billionaires robbing sick people is normal doesn't make it normal
formulated@reddit
Stritermage@reddit
I like your style sir
josh_the_misanthrope@reddit
Go crazy? Don't mind if I do!
Supershadow30@reddit
Terminal stage jaundice 💔💔💔
Thefishthatdrowns@reddit
Most people don’t have the education, resources, and / or determination to do anything about it in a meaningful way, unlike him
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
"Wait, is that what it's like to be poor?"
brennanfiesta@reddit
I mean the vast majority of those people don't assassinate anyone. Exceptions are to be expected.
minaj_a_twat@reddit
I can safely say as the partner of someone who had a severe 2 year long back injury the system is truly awful. Every insurance company and doctor pushes you around with little to no real care, diagnosis, just to get something to help with the pain took then 4 months. He couldnt even walk...we paid out of pocket ourselves the insurance people were so incompetent and couldnt do anything timely. The constant appointment cancellations, the "Oops they didnt send us that one form please reschedule 2 months from now" bs. I dont blame him for a second
Adjective-Noun-6969@reddit
Frankly, looking at it from the outside its amazing more people dont do what he did.
If i was diagnosed with something terminal if untreated and my HC provider denied it i would have some "words" with them.
Amun-Ree@reddit
Some people dont deal with it thats the problem some people have the abilities of hara kuri mental health, they choose ignorance, choose hiding from the reality, and allow it to grow, regular people dont see through choice how far the moral freefall has fallen and what needs to be done, an authority profiting offhuman suffering is inhuman not just inhumane and i can see why someone whos actually looking might have an extreme emotional disturbance. It fucking disturbs me.
Aerhyce@reddit
What is this crab bucket bs
Regular folks being cucked by US healthcare doesn't mean he has to suffer it as well.
XboxLiveGiant@reddit
Which is really disheartening considering he was super wealthy… If he couldn’t get help, imagine how fucked the rest of us are…
Dern_Zambies@reddit
don't gotta imagine. gf needed emergency surgery last year for a problem that could have been nipped in the bud years ago if doctors had actually listened. insurance won't pay a cent towards the 60k bill because the treatment "wasn't medically necessary". she would have died
sloothor@reddit
No one needs to imagine because health is temporary. None of us will be young forever. You’re all going to have to deal with your country’s healthcare system eventually; that’s why it’s so important to have a strong one.
Jumajuce@reddit
Ask them how they determined it wasn’t medically necessary and what are the qualifications of the reviewer to make that determination. If they say it was doctor reviewed ask them what type of specialization does the doctor have and what is their experience in the area the procedure is in. Also ask when the last time the reviewer performed surgery in the field and specifically the surgery your GF had. Question everything and keep requesting information on reviewer qualifications and when it’s clear they aren’t qualified to say it wasn’t medically necessary question that as well.
DragonHollowFire@reddit
Its very hard to actually get a "sorry we cant tell" or "sorry this isnt procotol" etc. If you even get an answer. Mostly non-answers.
Jumajuce@reddit
They’re required to tell you the licensed medical professional and their credentials if your claim was denied as not medically necessary. If it’s outside your coverage that’s a contract issue and is different but they can’t have an anonymous medical professional review your claim.
hazelnuthobo@reddit
The fact that people have to do shit like this, especially during a time of crisis, is absolutely insane in a first world country. In the richest country on earth, no less.
Health insurance companies aren't just a useless middleman (since it doesn't make sense to have "insurance" for something everyone is going to need at some point, it's not like getting fire insurance on your house). They're actively predatory. They PROFIT from denying you healthcare.
I believe it was Harvard who estimated that there's nearly 45,000 deaths annually in the US which can be directly attributed to health insurance companies. That isn't even to mention all the preventative care that gets denied.
Luigi is a fucking hero as far as I'm concerned. Come get me, FBI.
onarainyafternoon@reddit
If people actually care about this stuff, then people need to stop voting for Republicans. One of their biggest goals is to kick as many people off health insurance as they can so they can balloon the deficit with more tax breaks for wealthy cucks. People need to stop voting for Republicans and we can fix this mess.
ThirdXavier@reddit
I used to think this way but democrats have repeatedly shown to be completely ineffective at passing any legislation, and when they do its often some terrible half measure meant to get them votes in the short term but causing problems in the long term. They are completely unwilling to fight corporations.
Look at the situation with rent control in cities like Chicago, helps short term but now you have things like renter bidding wars driving up rents to insane prices for a tiny selection of available apartments because of how many people got grandfathered into low rents and will never want to move. A horrible half measure that didnt address the actual problem of major corporations eating up all the housing into a monopolistic bubble and driving up rents to absurd degrees.
The ACA is one of the few dem movements that retains long term benefit but even then it didnt address the core problem that health insurance companies have far too much power and essentially function as racketeering rings that get to decide how hospitals function. And even as much of a half measure as the ACA was I dont trust the current Dem administration to ever do something that good, not after 4 years of Joe Biden refusing to protect unions while claiming to be the most "pro-Union president".
I really think there is no hope short of complete collapse and restructure of one or both of our major political parties.
onarainyafternoon@reddit
I mean, you're I think partially right. But I think you're kinda letting "perfect" be the enemy of "good". Mamdhani winning the NYC mayor's race as a democratic socialist should show you the direction the Democratic party is going on. But we can only effect legislative change of we vote for people who represent those values in the primaries. And if they don't win those primaries, then vote for whoever the nominee is. I think you're underplaying how big of a threat Trump and his dumbass cronies are. They are existential in nature; if they are allowed to take control of the levers of power, we may never get our country back. These are literally the people who said that the "second American revolution will be bloodless as long as the Left allows it's to be". That was said by Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, one half of the group of people that put Trump in power. These people, no joke, want to create a Christian Theocracy. They absolutely cannot be allowed to take power at any point. I know the idea of doing a left wing revolution and tearing down the rot in the system is really appealing; but I think we need to be realistic. We have to work within the system at least for now.
snizarsnarfsnarf@reddit
Brother the democratic party fought that every step of the way and Cuomo ran as an independent, and many in the party refused to endorse cause they hoped Cuomo would win.
We aren't underestimating fascism.
They would rather a fascist win than a leftist.
onarainyafternoon@reddit
You're right but I was talking about Democratic voters in terms of the people that need to vote for Dems regardless of who they are, lest our country completely collapses because of Republican knob-slobberers.
snizarsnarfsnarf@reddit
Right but the problem is they'd rather run someone who can't win and will lose to the fascists than platform anyone who wants to improve the material conditions of the working class.
If you desperately want Democrats to win, you should be doing everything in your power to call out the party and organize locally to primary every neoliberal sellout and get candidates that will actually motivate voters
Campaigning with Liz Cheney and trying to court a theoretical embarrassed MAGA voter by trying to be diet Republican will not win. The winner every election is the couch. Not voting is still the plurality. People who voted during covid not voting during 2024 over the myriad of duplicitous shit the Democrats were pulling is what allowed fascism to roll in.
And the Democrats don't care.
They would have allowed a comatose, unable to lead Biden head the ticket a second time if there wasn't such an immediate visceral public backlash. And they would have eaten that loss with a smile of their face after lying about his health for years, and just blamed the left wing who were begging for a primary for 2 years
ThirdXavier@reddit
You are delusionally optimistic thinking Mamdani is the direction the democratic party is going in. Hakeem Jeffries and the congressional dems refused to endorse Mamdani after he won the primary because he didnt align with Israel enough, and only endorsed him late into the election when it was clear Mamdani had no chance of losing to Cuomo. Cuomo was the dems choice despite being corrupt and shrouded in controversies and they backed him until it was no longer feasible to.
There are a small amount of exceptions in the Democratic party but their leadership is still run by the same Clinton era shitlibs who are going to be pushing the same policy and taking the same weak, weak stances that got us to where we are and allowed Trump to congregate the power he currently has. I'm not underplaying Trump at all, I'm saying the Democrats are and were complicit in his rise to near totalarian power and they find it acceptable since all they care about is getting payouts from their donors. Voting for dems only briefly delays the democratic backsliding of our country as they have had chance after chance to protect us from it and chose to do nothing.
Look at how they're not disavowing war in Iran or Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Look at how hard they're pushing Gavin Newsome for a 2028 ballot. The democrats are not on your side and never will be. I'd rather accelerate their collapse at this point as its the only way we'll see actual change.
onarainyafternoon@reddit
I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about the voters in terms of the future of the party, not the leadership, but ok man. The future of the democratic party is moving further to the Left, based on how popular Leftist politics is becoming with its voters. I was not talking about the Democratic party's current leadership.
Spade18@reddit
Why are the democratic bills that are passed generally a half measure?
Why did the ACA only address part of the issue and not provide a single payer option?
It's because as soon as a democrat in any form pitches legislation that could actually improve the life of every day people, every single republican votes against it.
If even one republican votes to end the filibuster on the ACA, the Democrats dont have to take out the single payer option to appease Independent Joel Lieberman.
The build back better bill only passed after Republicans shred it, taking out extended family leave, shortening the child tax credit, removing 2 years of free community college, remove the addition of dental and vision to Medicaid, among other climate and green energy incentives and tax credits.
Do not get me wrong. The democrats are not great and could be doing much more to better the lives of average Americans. But they are also chained to a boulder which is the entire republican party.
ThirdXavier@reddit
And how did we get to that point? How do the Republicans hold so much power and continue to win elections then if they supposedly only want bad things and Democrats only want good things? How come despite the Democrats always claiming their hands are tied, Trump is being permitted to do whatever he wants but we haven't seen a Democrat hold that level of authority since Lyndon B Johnson was in office???
Really think here before you just claim something like over half of America's voterbase is simply brainwashed or dumb. You're falling for the largest good cop/bad cop routine ever played.
Spade18@reddit
I mean, Gerrymandering, unavoidable amounts of propaganda and at this point almost complete control of mainstream media, and to a certain extent, yes, the dismantling of American education.
No where did I imply that people are stupid for voting republican. I just think many of them are mislead. Not everyone is as online as chronically as millennials and below, and many of those older people grew up with trustworthy journalists and news sources, so they are more likely to take the news at it's word. For many areas across the country, a Sinclair Broadcast Group station is the only way to receive their news, so of course they're going to get a right wing sculpted view of things.
And no way to democrats only want good things. At this point the Democratic party is Bush era republicans. We need further left politicians to hold democrats accountable for their constant bowing to corporate sponsors.
And a decent amount of Trump's power comes from him and his administration absolutely flaunting the fact that tons of the safe guards in our democracy rely on the assumption of an administration focused improving the country rather than enriching themselves.
Gackt@reddit
Muh left vs right in fucking 2026, grow up
Dern_Zambies@reddit
wtf are you talking about
Carbonatite@reddit
Grown ups actually understand that the statement you replied to is objectively correct.
CreamyDick69@reddit
I thought Obamacare was a huge success though. Oh well, communism will save us next time for sure.
Carbonatite@reddit
Grown ups also understand the difference between taxpayer funded healthcare and communism.
DankMemesNQuickNuts@reddit
Most congressional Democrats have zero interest in fixing healthcare either. Just saying "stop voting for republicans" is not going to be the silver bullet for this that you think it'll be
ThirdXavier@reddit
Brian Thompson was also especially maliciously evil and during his 4 years as CEO he TRIPLED the claim denial rate of United Healthcare by implementing an AI tool designed to deny claims. Even by Health Insurance CEO standards dude was pure evil and a lot of people dont know this. I really wonder if we'd be in a worse spot now if other insurance CEOs werent a little bit afraid.
aChileanDude@reddit
Brian "triple D" Thompson.
PaulieHehehe@reddit
Kash is going to put together a task force to come find you, as soon as he wakes up and recovers from his raging hangover.
Dern_Zambies@reddit
appreciate this. needed the reminder that you gotta be an annoying cunt in order to get these motherfuckers to do their job
Riipp3r@reddit
Yeah we'll don't pay a dime on that bill for awhile and see how they try to consolidate it and lower it when they realize they're not getting a fucking dime.
That_Guy381@reddit
He could get help. I don’t know what his problem was. Genuinely. His family owns golf courses
FluffyLittlFlyingCow@reddit
Shut up that doesn’t really match the narrative
cms9@reddit
I think what people are saying here is that the American healthcare system is broken as a whole regardless of which class you are in. If it broke a rich person, think of what it does to the rest of us.
That_Guy381@reddit
he could have gotten treatment but killed a man instead.
cms9@reddit
Understood...violence of that caliber isnt the answer.
nomadProgrammer@reddit
The true mystery is how come this doesn't happen more often.
snowyxen@reddit
tl;dr/ it was hard for him to have sex so he did what he had to do. allegedly.
MarsSpun@reddit
It was his mom who got fucked over by the Healthcare system..
EuenovAyabayya@reddit
TL;DR: pain. Pain happened.
Iron-Fist@reddit
Right almost like social media presentation isn't a full depiction of a person lol
Emperor_Quintana@reddit
He should have blamed the Hawaiian waves (and even did some lumbar stretching, pre-surfing) instead of one insurance company CEO via cold-blood murder.
Spondylitis does not discriminate so easily, to be frank…
Running_Gamer@reddit
You mean Obamacare?
Carbonatite@reddit
Obama has been out of office for a decade and he still lives rent free in your head.
soboshka@reddit
lmao the same people supporting assassinations are blowing a fuse after someone points out what the core issue is, because blue team good. We really are fucked.
Empero6@reddit
Adding preexisting conditions protections into it saved a ton of people. The only reason it passed was because republicans gutted it and just gutted it even more. I don’t understand why you dudes seem to have trouble doing basic research on that.
Nathan_hale53@reddit
Idk what happened but when the dude died I saw people on every side at least understanding saying "yeah I can see why he did that." Only recently have ive seen people be so hostile to what happened.
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
It's not that the blue team is good. It's that the red team is cartoonishly evil.
Running_Gamer@reddit
Obamacare is literally the current healthcare system lmao republicans haven’t replaced it. They’re malding because their star policy caused them to freak out without realizing that it’s the system they’ve been calling evil this whole time.
Paratwa@reddit
Explain to me this weird stance I hear on Obamacare messing up healthcare. I hear this from the most special folks I know I’d love to hear it from someone with at least half a brain.
Novel_Purpose710@reddit
In as few words as possible Obamacare was a hamfisted but well intentioned attempt to get more people healthcare benefits by among other things forcing employers to offer benefits to full time employees.
What in practice happened is it killed full time work for huge swaths of the population and cranked healthcare costs for those that were paying for their own health insurance/benefits because now the insurance companies need to deal with people who will always be a net drain
ControlThat8187@reddit
Also it penalized poor people for not having health insurance. They took their tax refund for not being insured.
ColdCruise@reddit
Ah, yes, the bit that Republicans insisted on being in the bill so that it could be passed.
bremsspuren@reddit
Yes … not letting people die just because they're poor is kinda the point.
xmetallidethx@reddit
Costs still rose over time, but they were slower than if obamacare was never implemented.
Plus I guess it's the whole "forcing me to buy healthcare" thing.
It has obamas name on it so they try to shit on it any way they can.
ACA protecting pre-existing conditions will always be goated tho.
Martijnbmt@reddit
Should have called it Trumpcare, and they would praise it to the heavens
drwicksy@reddit
I still am not putting it past him to scrap Obama care and the next week introduce Trump care as exactly the same thing, and his base will eat it up
Beowulf33232@reddit
Nah, dumpcare will be "We punch you in the balls and tell you to get over it, then you pay us 10k"
They'll still eat it up.
drwicksy@reddit
"We punch you in the balls but then we punch the immigrant guy across the hall even harder"
They will be landing it as the best piece of legislation since the constitution that they didnt read or understand
wubbalubba96@reddit
It will be the same but worse
Like the Iran deal
Running_Gamer@reddit
Obamacare is the current system
Mirdclawer@reddit
How can you have such a shitty and low level and braindead understanding of the world surrounding you?
Beowulf33232@reddit
Mommy and daddy told them to agree with politicians with an R next to their name on the ballot.
IIlIIlIIlIlIIlIIlIIl@reddit
Obamacare is not the current system. The current system has no name - it's just unfettered, for-profit capitalist healthcare.
Obamacare is the name of an attempt at fixing it. In reality it only mildly worked, but it's better than what we have now.
inthebushes321@reddit
Obamacare made the healthcare system better, dipshit. Even though it's a right-wing healthcare program Romney used when he was governor of Massachusetts. The only part that was viewed unfavorably by people was, surprising no one, the mandate to have healthcare.
aldot234@reddit
You will go bankrupt for basic healthcare (that is affordable basically everywhere else in the world)... and you will like
Running_Gamer@reddit
Then tell doctors to stop overcharging patients
aldot234@reddit
I live in a normal country where a GP appointment is affordable. Also the doctors are not the problem, the system is broken
GoGoSoLo@reddit
Nope, but thanks for playing.
Obamacare was originally designed to radically better our healthcare system, and *did* in terms of having pre-existing conditions now always covered and having access to health care outside of your employer. Then, Republicans initially stripped it off critical parts, recently decided the affordable part of the affordable care act should die, and they kneecapped the initial exchange rollout, while also trying to repeal it entirely 37 times.
Private health insurance is another thing entirely, dingbat.
Xaosia@reddit
Are you 16 years old? It's been shitty for much longer than that.
pasvc@reddit
latortillablanca@reddit
ROFL omg
ohyousoretro@reddit
His reddit posts showed that he was happy with his surgery and the outcome, saying the surgery helped him relieve his back pain. Contrary to what other replies have said, he nor his family were insured by United, he wasn't denied or had issues with his insurance claim, and right now the motives he had are unknown.
onarainyafternoon@reddit
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-back-surgery-mental-health-35086d2e01089f53db7b95e7b6c683e4
You're totally right, but I also think it's possible he started experiencing pain again and just started to withdraw from society because of it. I don't want to speculate too much; but it would be truly bizarre to get fixed with a surgery, but then withdraw from society and murder a healthcare CEO. I think it's possible the surgery didn't fix everything, and the pain started to become overwhelming.
totalwarwiser@reddit
That is the theory.
He was not found guilty yet. Could just be a scapegoar.
gizzardgullet@reddit
And that could mean "healthcare system fucked me, now they will pay" or "healthcare system fucked me, what can be done?".
Did his experience with dealing with the system in context of his back injury itself radicalize him or did it set him down a course where his was ultimately radicalized by someone or something else? Is there a "missing piece of the puzzle"?
There seems to be a clear "divide America at all cost" agenda at the moment but with an unclear source. Someone like him would be very valuable to that movement.
thinspirit@reddit
Yeah horrific pain and not having the ability to fix it because someone denied your insurance would certainly lead to some extreme behaviour.
Smalldogmanifesto@reddit
Allegedly
airfryerfuntime@reddit
His parents had also been fucked over by United Heathcare, which is why he chose that CEO specifically.
piketpagi@reddit
Bro went to Bali and discover universal healthcare
Nathan_hale53@reddit
Last year I broke my back somehow, no idea how it happened. But it was the worst pain I have ever dealt with. My leg just constantly felt like it was on fire. Instead of immediately scanning my back with an MRI, insurance companies insisted I had to go through a couple weeks of Physical therapy and it did not do shit. I didnt sleep more than an hour a night just from pure exhaustion, I was in agony every day and night, barely any relief with the muscle relaxers or painkillers. I dealt with that for 2 months and tbh if it was any longer I probably wouldve just rather died, but they, relatively quickly got me into surgery compared to some people, but they shouldve got me in sooner. Only reason I suffered so long was because insurance companies really want you to do so much other shit beforehand when it was obvious what was going on, every doctor said you probably have a herniated disc before the MRI confirmed it. If insurance delayed it much more like Mario bro I can understand why he snapped. I payed out of pocket for the PT and I still ended up with about 6k in medical debt, which is much better than the about 50k that was covered.
GreenNukE@reddit
"All it takes is one bad day."
DinoMastah@reddit
Should have tried sueing the company instead of doing what he did.
Blasteth@reddit
Nah, what he did was more effective. Probably save a lot more lives by putting fear into insurance companies.
legato2@reddit
Nothings changed tho
Bezerkomonkey@reddit
Actually not true. United healthcare did actually update some policies in response
SalemStarburn@reddit
Which ones did they update?
TheMcBrizzle@reddit
United changed their claim denial process so much that they got sued by shareholders (Blackrock and others), because they said it was costing too much.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/unitedhealth-sued-by-shareholders-over-its-reaction-backlash-executives-killing-2025-05-07/
radioactivebeaver@reddit
That's not true, health insurance is way more expensive now.
Vincent_Heist@reddit
Needs to happen a few more times ig.
_BlackDove@reddit
If you think that you're not paying attention or being purposely disingenuous. Take a look at what happened to United Healthcare afterward, all the heat on them. Embezzlement, insider trading, the use of algorithms to determine patient care. It all happened after the justice system was forced to address it.
Pay the fuck attention.
PassivelyInvisible@reddit
Because all the other C syite execs are convinced it won't happen to them, or they hire security on the company's dime.
Obi-Brawn-Kenobi@reddit
I don't condone murder, but there was (maybe still is?) shown to be a decrease in the percentage of denials not only at United but other insurance companies across the board after he did it.
monthenet@reddit
In 2020–2023 initial denials were at 10-11% 2024 it’s around 11,8% and 2025 the initial denials rates are around 12%. There is no significant change that could be attributed to the murder.
BrunoBabyfat@reddit
People just really want the bing bing wahoo man's brother to be a hero, facts be damned
SalemStarburn@reddit
Source?
CirrusVision20@reddit
LOLOL
6FRanger@reddit
Little bro is living in a fairytale
StrongLikeBull3@reddit
Bro thinks suing people is free.
TheYeast1@reddit
Which would do nothing lol, even if he’s got an easy case they can just spend millions tying it up with litigation till he runs out of money
TheTreeDemoknight@reddit
Fun fact: The prices of many health insurance companies went down after the shooting. So i think it worked a lot better than any lawsuit would've
smokeymcdugen@reddit
No they didn't. They are still rising year over year and as others pointed out, the denial rate is the same as it was.
Dude just wasted his life for no reason. Read his manifesto, he even admits he doesn't know why he is doing it and hope others can articulate it for him.
shuggahbear@reddit
Down voted for not condoning murder is kinda wild ngl
DinoMastah@reddit
Reddit momento
ATXdlvryGuy@reddit
One hundred eighty six thousand karma on Reddit
RadaRAW@reddit
Well of you kill man responsible for many deaths and broken families, it's a concept called people's justice
Squawnk@reddit
Brian Thompson was a murderer
Quercus408@reddit
Found the temporarily embarrassed millionaire
ActualWeed@reddit
Nah, just kill the greedy people that are immune to the law
Quercus408@reddit
No, he should have used a guillotine, but we're not there yet.
CodeDJ@reddit
Company makes Millions from exploiting people with the system they lobby for.
gets sued for a fraction of their profits.
"Operation costs"
Cycle continues.
Faust_the_Faustinian@reddit
It's not about the lawsuit, it's about sending a message.
Here4th3culture@reddit
It bootlicker
Iwantmynameback@reddit
No_Koala_3984@reddit
😂😂😭
saldb@reddit
His little backy had a tummy ache
Zenar45@reddit
So did the ceo's cranium
dingleballs717@reddit
Said from someone who only understands bending over and obeying.
YourLocalSnitch@reddit
Dont worry about him. His back probably looks like a second stomach with the way hes throwing insults
kyatorpo@reddit
Damn thats cold
norrhboundwolf@reddit
Hot take:
He’s just kind of schizo…
Astolfo_is_Best@reddit
Not a hot take to normal people. Unfortunately, this is reddit
ChaseTheOldDude@reddit
Fighting systems of oppression is schizo, great take fellas, you must feel enlightened. I'm sure the american founding fathers and french revolutionaries were just schizos too.
MLGSwaglord1738@reddit
Those were organized revolutionary vanguards with clear goals for systemic change and class struggle to implement bourgeois rule. This guy did not change a thing, and actual revolutionaries in their fights against oppression generally condemn such tactics as useless adventurisms.
Feelgoodism is really the only thing he accomplished, unless he was merely framed.
ChaseTheOldDude@reddit
I'm sure if Mangione had access to an organised revolutionary vanguard he would have preferred that option, unfortunately the US system oppresses such movements by design, so his options were do nothing and be a victim or take a shitty option that felt like doing something.
Calling him a schizo is reductive, his actions were the result of a broken system and a man with the drive to create change but no reasonable outlets for it.
norrhboundwolf@reddit
No, that’s you projecting what you want him to stand for when the facts just aren’t clear yet.
What we know for sure:
Pretty in line with Kaczynsky in some ways. Except for the fact that Kaczynsky actually had a somewhat pieced together ideology.
Both of these cases (at least until we know more) fall pretty squarely into the “sorta shizo guy lashes out at the target(s) of his personal grievance” category.
He’s not a perfectly normal, rational actor just because he happens to have a personal reason for why he did it.
I could have my car towed and repo’d with my most important possessions in it, but doesn’t mean i now get to kill the ceo of another towing company in anger because of it. And it especially doesn’t mean that i should get lionised for it by random people online either, just because they happen to fantasise about me sparking a widespread anti-towing revolutionary movement.
He’s kinda schizo. So was Kaczynsky, and he even had an actual ideology to boot. Live with it.
ChaseTheOldDude@reddit
Fair enough, I could be misreading the situation. It's easy to root for the handsome muscular underdog over the soulless ceo, but I suppose life isn't always so black and white. I still feel for the guy schizo or not.
MLGSwaglord1738@reddit
True. Another victim of the system. But it’s important to remember Roosevelt and European social democrats coopted and neutered radical labor to preserve the system, and with the labor movement weakened capital has gradually eroded welfare states and organized labor all over the world.
Simply put, the conditions for such radical change do not exist in today’s world as you’re right to call out. Reformist forces like Obama, or pro/anti-EU figures, continue to disappoint the proletarians that put their faith in them. Not that it can’t make a comeback; bourgeois revolutions took place over a span of several hundred years after all, and recent political developments over the last 20 years (Gen Z “revolutions,” Arab Spring) seem to suggest internationalism, even if spontaneous and disorganized, is more viable than ever in today’s world.
domster777@reddit
Holy bot wow ... whatta write up
MLGSwaglord1738@reddit
In fairness, nothing in life is simple, much less politics. Proving 1+1=2 takes 162 pages.
RapidXpansion@reddit
he wasn't insured by united
he had successful back surgery
he killed someone who had no bearing on his medical adventures
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-back-surgery-mental-health-35086d2e01089f53db7b95e7b6c683e4
ChaseTheOldDude@reddit
I'm not defending his actions. Calling someone a schizo implies irrational thought, he killed somebody who he correctly saw as playing a large part of a system that lead to his negative experience.
I don't think it was the right thing to do, but I didn't feel bad when they shot osama bin laden and I didn't feel bad about this guy being killed when the system he profits from enables untold suffering and death. Violence shouldn't be the answer but there were no other options for accountability so it's to be expected in such a system
Astolfo_is_Best@reddit
Yes, it is completely normal to feel the same about the United Healthcare CEO as you did about Osama Bin Laden. You are very normal and definitely not a schizo.
ChaseTheOldDude@reddit
We are commenters on r/greentext, neither of us fall under the umbrella of normal.
tostuo@reddit
Yes, actually, that's why their stupid ass revolution fell into total disarray, resulted in a reaction so bad they horseshoed into a totalitarian empire and plunged Europe into a state of near constant war for 2 fucking decades.
ChaseTheOldDude@reddit
Being incompetent at running a country is not the same as being schizo. The revolution was the result of systemic failures of the monarchy to provide for its people, alongside natural factors such as a harsh winter and poor harvests. One radical is a murderer, many radicals are a revolution.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
There were three French revolutions in the span of a hundred years and somehow the one that went least “authoritarian dictatorship” was the *monarchist* one. And that’s not an endorsement of monarchy, which has been a weirdly popular take with some online types. That revolution also sucked, I’m just saying that French Revolutions are that fucking schizo.
Vincent_dat_boi@reddit
“Unfortunately this is reddit” he says on reddit
KitchenAd5997@reddit
You says on reddit
BustyGrandpa@reddit
Thats not what a hot take is
LurkersUniteAgain@reddit
He was framed
Whole_squad_laughing@reddit
This is a genuine question: what would the motive be for framing him and letting the real killer get away?
DayOldTurkeySandwich@reddit
Buddy they have no idea who did this and just had to find somebody.
JamesHenry627@reddit
I'll be real with you bro, a Healthcare Insurance CEO doesn't deserve justice for his murder. He arguably got Justice by dying after his company was responsible for all those denials.
anarchistright@reddit
Weren’t the denials included in some sort of T&C made known to clients?
LibatiousLlama@reddit
See guys, it's moral to kill people so a billionaire can have a 6th doomsday bunker.
Hey, they agreed to the terms! That person with 0 negotiating power or input to what health plan their employer chooses.
If you really think about it, those people deserved to die!
vaterl@reddit
Brian Thompson, the famous multi-billionaire, not the guy with a net worth of $40 million (who's killers family has a net worth equal to or even higher than his own, and was raised in luxury) raised in a rural, working class family. I guess we are thinking of a different Brian?
LibatiousLlama@reddit
You think Brian Thompson was killing all those people for himself?
Nope. He wasn't even killing them so he could have his doomsday bunker. He was killing them so somebody else could have their 6th doomsday bunker.
Yes that's right. Even a person worth 40 million dollars is getting fucked over by billionaires and it's a fucking Patsy in his game.
It's just that some patsies are also evil pieces of shit.
Automatic_Day5460@reddit
Wow, so Mr. Thompson killed so many people? Surely you can list a few names of these folks who calloused died from a denied healthcare claim.
Automatic_Day5460@reddit
It's a shame you're getting downvoted. Redditors simply aren't serious people who understand how anything works.
Luigi shopped around to get an ineffective treatment that made his pain worse as is your right in America. He was mentally ill and killed dude and Redditors are delusional for thinking murder is how you solve something as complex as healthcare.
anarchistright@reddit
0 negotiating power? Who knew employment was slavery?
LibatiousLlama@reddit
Ahh yes the wonderful negotiating power of "take insurance we offer or be unemployed"
It's so easy to get a good job, you just go to the job orchard and pick a ripe one! Nobody is struggling to be gainfully employed right now. There isn't an overwhelming number of people with bachelors, masters and doctorate degrees who are underemployed.
anarchistright@reddit
I’m just saying killing a person because of non-aggressive behavior is animalistic.
may_sun@reddit
yeah okay, u/"anarchistright"
bait used to be believable smfh
anarchistright@reddit
What do you think’s bait about that?
may_sun@reddit
well if it aint bait, then there's always the other option
anarchistright@reddit
Which is…?
TechnicalMiddle8205@reddit
Yeah lol, the "manifesto" and "steps on what to do next" thingy is ridiculous, the way he did everything showed he is indeed decently smart not to carry around in his backpack a piece of paper saying he killed the CEO and writing step by step how he will proceed 😅
The more I read about this case, the less sense it makes. Also the fact that a MacDonald's worker "recognized him" when his face was fully covered and the only visible thing was his eyebrows, which don't even look the same, is even more ridiculous. But if they don't arrest someone, the USA's police will look bad, and a very important lesson will be taught; Such crime can be unpunished.
llamaz314@reddit
I would bet good money the US has tonnes of mass surveillance - but the don’t use it unless the elites are really threatened. They decided they needed to find the guy who killed one of their own, used the illegal system, and planted the evidence against him.
Consistent-Throat130@reddit
We have indeed got terrifying mass surveillance, but we also have laws about how that sort of thing can be used in a criminal case.
Those laws require some degree of transparency, and the elite that own this surveillance shit never want to tip their hand.
Cases like this are an opportunity to force it - either show us how horrifyingly you're spying on everyone (which is honestly their easiest outcome - nothing happened after Snowden) or let this guy walk because there's no lawfully collected evidence.
llamaz314@reddit
The billionaires and president were exposed for eating small children and nothing happened. You think they care?
Bandito21Dema@reddit
We do now
Deflock.org
Consistent-Throat130@reddit
It's not just Flock's hardware that ties into the software system.
Ring was planning to get in there. Security cameras at your local home depot (and many other retailers I'm sure) feed that AI system
TechnicalMiddle8205@reddit
That could also be a good theory. Either way, we can all agree on how likely it is that he isnt the real culprit. They just found whoever looked similar to this guy to put all the blame on him.
The lesson is, whenever someone important dies, try not to leave home too much. You might pay for it. Lol
the_baldest_monk@reddit
From what I recall the McDonald's worker only thought he was sus and called the cops. The police are the one who recognized it was the guy that everyone was seeking.
MechaWASP@reddit
Why are you lying? There were photos of him with his whole face out and a hood up. They literally showed the photo the worker recognized him from.
Its him.
TechnicalMiddle8205@reddit
Yeah I see what you mean, theres a picture of him with his face shown clearer, just covered by a hood. Which doesn't quite look like him, especially the eyebrows, and in some perspectives he looks even less like him.
There is some resemblance, but not enough to say that it is definitely him. And the other "evidences" make it more suspicious than anything.
Nalgazo@reddit
Go back to bed.
McBelgian@reddit
because they have no idea who did it and needed a fall guy to get people off their backs
leargonaut@reddit
"oh fuck, were actually really bad at solving crimes. Like 50-60% of murders go unsolved and this guy was high profile, we'll look like the dipshits we are! Hurry, find someone who looks close enough!!!"
Maiq_the_liar_23@reddit
That would fall apart in court so quickly lmao.
Future-Warning-1189@reddit
If you know anything about the evidence they have so far, it probably IS going to fall apart quite quickly.
Maiq_the_liar_23@reddit
Yeah but not because he isn't the guy. The original guy was saying lets grab a dude that looks like him and pin it. Im saying that would have fallen apart almost instantly.
Future-Warning-1189@reddit
Cops framing innocent people? Thats absolutely not unheard of though?
Maiq_the_liar_23@reddit
Ok fair enough actually. Im looking at it from a non US perspective. I have extensive experience in my own country of the court system but not the US where things are probably different. Ill take your point
Gackt@reddit
There are rap3 gangs in Europe my man. Rap3s are over 1300% al over, UK famously had the rap3 gangs in bed with the lovely cops you are presently defending
Maiq_the_liar_23@reddit
What? Im not defending police
Consistent-Throat130@reddit
Why would it? Shitty police/prosection behavior is common place.
Planting evidence has worked historically, else it wouldn't be a common practice. Same could be said for parallel construction.
Kel_Ediora@reddit
Basically, sending a message. If a guy can just walk by and kill a CEO and not be arrested/sent to prison, then it means that other can do the same thing. They want to make an example of him, and for that they only need a guy that looks similar to the killer.
Amun-Ree@reddit
They did it with kennedy, pretty much same reasons too.
llamaz314@reddit
The state/elites know if he gets away with it it may encourage similar killings of other similar CEO’s. I’m honestly surprised the haven’t tried censoring the online support or him or made up some fictitious rumour to smear him.
Hugar34@reddit
There was a conspiracy theory going around that the CEO pissed off shareholders and/or other important people and used a hitman to kill him, and then proceeded to frame Luigi.
Lolmemsa@reddit
Cops will look incompetent if a random guy can just kill a CEO on camera and get away with it
DedOriginalCancer@reddit
Chuds trying to bring chads into a bad light, because they get pussy
real_picklejuice@reddit
>Holds a mechanical engineering degree from Caltech
>Holds a masters in computer science from Cal State DH
>Won teacher of the Month multiple times
what happened bros
pandaSmore@reddit
You can still be successful and still have some underlying mental health issues that aren't readily appaapparent on the surface.
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
It isn’t a mental health issue. We’re seeing more and more ‘normies’ take up arms. Do you really think it’s a them issue and not the environment?
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Yes.
poopcockshit@reddit
lol
real_picklejuice@reddit
anto_pty@reddit
arselash_boneinmytea@reddit
Major spelling mistake*
pandaSmore@reddit
Yeah there's an issue with my on screen keyboard that repeats characters .
_BlackDove@reddit
Were the French during their revolution mentally ill too?
vaterl@reddit
well the french were overthrowing a centuries old monarchy, and they still chopped their own leaders heads off constantly. so a little bit of both.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
Yes.
Azrai113@reddit
You know...I disagree with you, but I admire your consistency
Dr_Insomnia@reddit
Wanting drastic change to system that harms a hundred million people while enriching a very few in a blatantly corrupt way is not mental illness.
Diantr3@reddit
Mental clarity and balls of steel you mean?
lapideous@reddit
He got into caltech and got a masters only to end up in a dead-end SAT tutoring job
In the grand scheme of things, that’s only one step above working at Wendy’s
After getting into one of the most competitive undergrad universities out there
dark_enough_to_dance@reddit
I swear successful bright minded people are intentionally kept away from real powerful positions..
KebabLife2@reddit
Or maybe he just played his cards wrong.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Sounds like a skill issue.
lapideous@reddit
Well yeah
I’m not super surprised he tried to do some crazy shit, he probably thought it was his last chance to be special again
Substantial_Net9923@reddit
When both sides are constantly telling you that everyone is out to get you, paranoia ensues.
Paranoia creates more clicks, then more clicks, then more! Before you know you have pooped next to Johnny Depps head in bed for some sort of revenge because of me too paranoia.
Frostwizard7987@reddit
There’s a good video that talks about this by Atroic
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QjRJomScDEw
Its_Buddy_btw@reddit
He kept getting screwed over for debilitating back pain preventing him from doing shit he loved like hiking and surfing so he snapped
Its_Buddy_btw@reddit
Beowulf33232@reddit
I heard it was a sick ostrich.
PassivelyInvisible@reddit
That would at least 3 guys. Maybe 2 if it's sick.
RapidXpansion@reddit
he had successful surgery
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-back-surgery-mental-health-35086d2e01089f53db7b95e7b6c683e4
UltraScum@reddit
He administered JUSTICE. That which the world needs more of. Cowards everywhere.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
Irrespective of whether it was justified or not, in what world is shooting an unarmed man in the back not cowardly?
UltraScum@reddit
When said individual brings suffering and death to countless people through faceless paperwork and refusals of care.
It’s wild to me you folks have such broken morality systems.
Fwob@reddit
you're on one slippery ass slope bro.
you could use the same logic to justify murdering just about anyone.
I assume you've paid taxes? better watch your back
UltraScum@reddit
lol I appreciate your concern but I’m no radical. I believe in due process.
However, anyone that pretends this individual wasn’t bringing more harm than good, is out of their mind. Any system that prioritize profit over life, this is going to eventually happen when people get desperate.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
I agree. Criminals should be given fair trial and be punished according to the law, or not punished at all. They shouldn't be killed by vigilantes who think they ought to be the judge of life and death.
Fwob@reddit
Always good to see a sane person on Reddit.
I'd say keep it up, but honestly we'd be better off mentally if we never came to this shithole site again.
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
That doesn't answer the question.
TexasRed806@reddit
Yea, vigilante justice, big distinction. There’s a reason we don’t do that anymore. Just because you and others decide someone is a morally bad person or even a criminal doesn’t give you the right to kill them.
How would you feel if someone took HIM out as revenge before his trial was over or after he was found not-guilty because they hated him? Would that also be “justice?”
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
Well no, you see, that would be different because I disagree with it.
TexasRed806@reddit
Agree to disagree
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
That was sarcasm. I agree with you.
Gackt@reddit
guys found another one come here guys
Amun-Ree@reddit
Youve clearly bonded with your abuser can i get you a helpline?
UltraScum@reddit
Sit down. You know the distinction.
easeypeaseyweasey@reddit
Do something then? Or are you a coward as well?
UltraScum@reddit
You know nothing about me. Be safe.
EvilProstatectomy@reddit
UltraScum@reddit
Lol amazing username. And na. I prefer cats.
moronic_programmer@reddit
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
Well, apart from the obvious.
Bay1Bri@reddit
Wow you must be such a badass
Sminemb@reddit
Shiver me timbers
Substantial_Bet_1007@reddit
you made me chuckle, to compansate peoples downvotes i gave you an award king
UltraScum@reddit
My man. 👌🏻
-ZedsDeadBaby-@reddit
Okay, go on then. Follow his footsteps
RapidXpansion@reddit
justice ? he wasnt even insured by united
CanThisBeMyNameMaybe@reddit
He administered healthcare.
Injustice_For_All_@reddit
He didn't administer anything. He was with me when the shooting happened
UltraScum@reddit
Same, we were playing Mario Kart together, saw it on the news
Injustice_For_All_@reddit
Your rainbow road skip was crazy
UltraScum@reddit
He taught me well
DoctorDeath147@reddit
This was the justice administered.
Mesarthim1349@reddit
Wtf have you done for justice then bro? Lmao
Michal_999@reddit
Bruh, touch grass
UltraScum@reddit
I did when I took trash out at work like five minutes ago. It’s cold outside tho.
Michal_999@reddit
Nice, guess you are all good then lol
Rupert_the_Llama@reddit
Hold your horses there Yagami Light
marialoveshugs@reddit
Lmao
PandaInfantry@reddit
Back pain and a broken healthcare system will do that do you
anto_pty@reddit
I support Luigi Mangione
vaterl@reddit
i'll never respect a rich preppy kid who grew up wealthier than a guy who grew up in a rural working class family, and got schizo, then killed him.
imnewtothisplzaddme@reddit
Didnt he have his run nerfed by relatives medical bills along with his own back pain treatment practically rendering his perfect setup a fast waste of effort.
Being part of the erudite faction he had the means to realize the legal route was suboptimal and went for for the Revenge any% speedrun instead.
bremsspuren@reddit
IIRC, his insurance company wouldn't pay for the surgeon he wanted, and sent him to some second-rate sawbones who fucked up the operation and left him in a lot of pain.
RapidXpansion@reddit
why not just search instead of recalling your biased memory ?
he was VERY happy with his surgery and even became a proponent for others to get it too
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-back-surgery-mental-health-35086d2e01089f53db7b95e7b6c683e4
polarbearsarereal@reddit
MxVagabond@reddit
mk ultra
Lazy_Earth_468@reddit
Allegedly
Pure-Contact7322@reddit
its so convenient to build a little army of noone.. youngsters that harm people but then there is nothing behind them.
Important_Case3052@reddit
His back hurt so bad he couldn't fuck anymore. I'm not kidding. You take fucking away from Chad and Chad will go insane.
SeingaltUNo@reddit
Three months on Reddit will do that to a gullible man
Dred788@reddit
how’re you holding up top 1% commenter?
Geekerino@reddit
Better than the guy playing on his alt to make this comment
SeingaltUNo@reddit
Sorry for not sharing Reddit’s support of a murderer..
UltraScum@reddit
Lololololol.
heyshitforbrains@reddit
The badge of shame
clybourn@reddit
Maybe it’s the billions being scammed and sent overseas
No-Sector-933@reddit
Ik 2 people who knew him who said there was many behavioral red flags
catinterpreter@reddit
He experienced hardship. The large majority of people never do, until they're dying.
KaracCake@reddit
Allegedlys.
ProudHogDog@reddit
It's crazy how much Reddit likes to suck this dude. He killed a CEO and absolutely nothing changed other than a family lost a father.
Dat_Mustache@reddit
Bro, did you not fucking read the news, anecdotes, or read the data points or systemic changes and how the executives at UH/KP/BCBS were fucking sweating in the boardrooms after that?
ProudHogDog@reddit
If it's anything like that "pledge" the other dork linked me to my point stands. "We're going to change things guys, for real!" Nothing has changed, you're a fool if you fall for the bread and circus
Dat_Mustache@reddit
Quantifiable metric. Measurable result.
protokhan@reddit
United Healthcare and almost 50 other insurers pledged to reduce the number procedures requiring prior authorization and to streamline the authorization process in the aftermath of Brian Thompson's assassination.
dotheeroar@reddit
He went batshit crazy after an injury
DyabeticBeer@reddit
I don't think he did it honestly
RadaRAW@reddit
He has been awakened and he remains one of the greatest anti system heroes of the 21st century
SuperGrandNovice@reddit
Reddits greatest hero achieves nothing and throws away their own well-set life
LazarusPizza@reddit
Huh, I don't always run into professional boot lockers, but when I do, they're usually poor Americans. I wonder why that is?
ayy_das_me@reddit
Same Exact reason why most people on Reddit who complain about healthcare and dogmatically idolize Luigi are individuals who are just well off young people, rarely partaking in the healthcare system and if anything has had mostly good experiences in the system….huh…ironically all just like luigi is/did….crazy huh? Lol as opposed to the actual typically but not always older individuals taken advantage of with morbidities
Reason being as it always is, not knowing how the world works and regurgitating already regurgitated talking points on the internet
LazarusPizza@reddit
That's such a load of drivel.
There's a reason Luigi has a lot of support across multiple social and economic strata.
It has little to do with ignorance.
Itchy-Beach-1384@reddit
You mean temporarily embarrassed billionaires
LazarusPizza@reddit
Oh shit. You right!
RadaRAW@reddit
He did, when another great injustice happens people remember what he did and that it's a option
vkc2prahran311@reddit
D-FENS
ihatetheplaceilive@reddit
For all his faults, at leas that guy knew which side of the afterlife Nazis should be on.
Brocclio_is_life@reddit
ha
samfisher999@reddit
More people should join that three month program
CutEmbarrassed9463@reddit
All it takes is one bad day
DigbyChickenZone@reddit
"I'm the bad guy? How did that happen?"
NibPlayz@reddit
One bad year of constant denials by greedy corporations
krillinchillin@reddit
CIA is doing numbers bro
romulusnr@reddit
Enlightenment
Phake_Bot@reddit
Thee Internet
vorago74@reddit
Allegedly
guiamaral0@reddit
Based as fuck
th3j4w350m31@reddit
Priorities
brennanfiesta@reddit
The simplest explanation is that he developed an extremely strong belief that the US healthcare system is bad and decided to kill the CEO of one of the worst ones in the hopes that this would affect some kind of change. He probably drew more attention to the issue, but I don't really know if more politicians, lawmakers, policymakers, etc. are talking about it more consistently than before.
Tiredeyes88@reddit
What killing? What murder? They say he was greatest guy around
haringtiti@reddit
allegedly
whoreoscopic@reddit
Easy, he didn't do it. The real killer is still out there.
BreathOfTheTilt@reddit
He wanted that for more than himself
unkountoyou@reddit
He realized anarchy is the best solution
cumberber@reddit
Fake: he got his back blown out and was denied surgery for his chronic pain
Gay: popped a cap in another dudes ass for it
RapidXpansion@reddit
he had successful surgery and was not even insured by united
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-back-surgery-mental-health-35086d2e01089f53db7b95e7b6c683e4
RaiderCat_12@reddit
The first can also be gay
TheHeroChronic@reddit
Luigi should be executed publicly via firing squad
BarkerAG@reddit
If it was by a bunch of billionaires in a circle.
Vincent_dat_boi@reddit
Bro, the billionaires don’t want you
TheHeroChronic@reddit
2 bit brain opinion.
The guy Luigi killed wasn't a billionaire either.
BarkerAG@reddit
Still a chad.
bigfudge_drshokkka@reddit
He’s what some might call a class traitor. He also helped make Civilization VI
baddieslovebadideas@reddit
unfathomably based
HalifaxRoad@reddit
the united healthcare ceo died of 3 self inflicted gun wounds to the back, Luigi did nothing wrong and was framed!
therealskaconut@reddit
Something about hearing his mom cry herself to sleep in pain every night upset him. Weird, ig
OGgamerr@reddit
LUIGI IS A PATSY. watch the original footage bro. Shit is so easily memory holed, that is not him. People just accept the reality provided for them I guess.
Sosen@reddit
You could ask a lot of the same things about Bryan Kohberger
Drafo7@reddit
Here's an idea: he didn't do it. He's a generic-looking white guy with dark hair, just like the shooter in the video. That describes like half of America. And if he was really the guy why did the cops feel the need to plant evidence in his bag and violate his civil rights? He's taking the fall for the real killer because the system needs to make an example of someone to show that you can't kill CEOs and get away with it and to cover up their own incompetence of being able to catch the real perp. It wouldn't even surprise me if they specifically manipulated him into going along with it and that's why he said stuff that makes him seem like people expect him to be. For all we know his actual beliefs could be more in line with the oligarchs than with the rest of us, but he's playing along so the media can craft the story they want.
To be clear, I'm not saying he definitely didn't do it. I'm just saying he MIGHT not have done it, and everyone assuming he did it on all sides of the issue is jumping the gun. What I think would be hilarious would be if he got found guilty then the real killer posts a video or something confessing to the crime and proving they did it. Thing is they've already fled the country and have been granted asylum by wherever they are. That would go a long way in showing just how stupid and corrupt our justice system is. As if that weren't obvious enough already.
useroftheinternet95@reddit
Capitalism happened
D1nkcool@reddit
Didn't even include how he unfucked the UI for Civ VI smh my head
eZ_Link@reddit
What?
monsterhunter1001@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Civilization6/comments/1hanf0e/luigi_mangione_worked_at_firaxis_on_civilization/
rob6748@reddit
Jesus, please. I didn't think I could like the guy any more.
eZ_Link@reddit
Based
VicisSubsisto@reddit
cjwi@reddit
Bro retained his semen for 3 months and leveled up
new_Australis@reddit
He did no such thing. Bro is innocent and being framed by someone.
Smilymoneyy@reddit
Not a god damn thing. He was given with me talking about how his day was, nowhere near New York.
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
Trotsky‘s text „On Terror“ tells you exactly why what he did won‘t solve that problem. They paid more insurance out a short while after, but then they went back to business as usual. And the CEOs have more security measures now
dzernumbrd@reddit
The main problem is he got caught before he could start a movement.
waxwayne@reddit
They killed his mother.
Deathisfatal@reddit
*allegedly
John_Marston_Forever@reddit
Didn't the health insurance company denied or caused troubles involving his mom's medication or something?
LogDog987@reddit
Idk what they're talking about. I was playing chess with Luigi when the nurder happened
Ada_Pearce@reddit
Chronic pain and late stage capitalism
drifters74@reddit
Basically he was the real life equivalent of someone who was perfect and had everything?
Amun-Ree@reddit
Yeah but people whove only evrr seen the bubble and fantasy of happy life only good choices before them beleiving they did it all themselves they never questioned anything in their life, those type of people are easier to break you could have him beleiving anything in hours with drugs and treatment, sleep deprevation, overloaded senses, fear, and then the save from your captor that gives you a beleivable story your slowly fed in the fore and background hed be feeliing thankfull for the homicidal nartative he knows what crazy is because hes just been through it but cant quite remember when everything got crazy, this shits been going off since kennedy, go look at what happened to maryline monroe, a celebrated and outwardly happy person who killed herself whilst living in the house of two 'psychologists' who just happened to be part of a jewish psychological movement to control people because they cant be trusted with freedom. The manipulation has been improving all this time.
Dark_2Dragon@reddit
Wait wtf United Health Care CEO fiasco was in 2024???? Fuck man time flies by
UglyInThMorning@reddit
The very end of 2024 for what it’s worth.
ProfessionalSnow943@reddit
that’s less than two years ago honestly I was expecting it to be more alarmingly distant
grilledfuzz@reddit
Allegedly* kills UnitedHealthcare CEO
Dry_Blueberry6806@reddit
I still think this guy didn't do shit and is just a treat for the media.
PhantomCruze@reddit
Ah yes my lord and Savior Luigi the corpo rat hunter
FMC_Speed@reddit
This is how revolutions start but Americans are far too cucked and emasculated to follow up on this in anyway, not even a strong protest, can bland big corpo for behaving like they do when they know they have such good goys
Mesarthim1349@reddit
This isn't how "revolutions start" lmao
RandomShadeOfPurple@reddit
Experience with the system + intelligence not to lash out at the nearest insignificant cog in the system + education to identify where his backlash would matter.
Doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers get assaulted all the time by patients failed by the system. By patients who are rightfully fed up with the same frustrations, just don't know where and how to channel it so the system actually feels it. The difference was that this time someone of note was the target, and not a regular worker got repurposed as human shield as intended. That's where the scare came from.
Cossia@reddit
Working class woman betrayed a hero of the Working class that came from nobility, and the state makes a show of it as the wealth gap becomes greater. Like in the movies.
Atomkekstime@reddit
Realising and trying to fix a problem with nobody actually getting interested in the real world. Sadly nothing is working anymore, everyones just here and in the meantime our real world dies. But oh well...at least I really do not care while being activly aware about it. I just play video games. Go watch my stream on youtube.
Eledridan@reddit
One of the 36 living saints!
OleBoyBuckets@reddit
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because the average person forgot about him just like they forgot about the soldier that toasted himself while shouting “free Palestine”. Even the goobers who supported them 110% within that breaking 24 hour news cycle have forgotten their names.
---Joe@reddit
The mushrooms
Rusty1031@reddit
MKUltra and the American healthcare system got to him
SpaceBug176@reddit
That's how you know he didn't do it.
Vall3y@reddit
Wow reddit is INCREDIBLY cringe today
_Blazing_Angel_@reddit
OP, an anarcho capitalist doesn’t understand the real world and it’s problems, typical.
GargamelLeNoir@reddit
Everyone assumes he's guilty, but isn't it just something the US cops say?
lilbuje3@reddit
Read his manifest
bantabot@reddit
Constant back pain will make you go insane
Pepperonidogfart@reddit
Sometimes people just snap and do the right thing
qoheletal@reddit
Nothing "happened". The Based Department just called and wants him back
leebenjonnen@reddit
Why does it have to be a poor person who can only act out when he sees financial injustice. Would it be more believable or justified if it was a homeless person?
sarattenasai@reddit
Insurance happened. Insurance companies are the most cancerous bullshit ever. A literal scam.
Super_Piper@reddit
Leftists pro Palestine universities that teaches kids to hate the US and hate themselves
Bongsc2@reddit
haHAA
Mokaran90@reddit
What 3 months of chronic pain does to a mf.
Mother_Lead_554@reddit
AI, pretty much says it right there. What people don't know and understand about it is beyond belief. What that one piece of Hal style interaction can change in a person, and in which ever direction the owner of the AI so chooses. Regular people out of AI circles do not understand
idontknowjuspickone@reddit
You forgot “short”. Take the tall pill Bros, never fails
Kunfliktt@reddit
Hippocratic oath means nothing to most healthcare providers anymore. Sad situation that BCE physicians/doctors had more morals then those these days
Matthew_Summons@reddit
It’s not the doctors, they’re forced into this
BookWyrm53@reddit
He was part of a group planning the assassination and he happend to be the guy that was the best off and decided to take the blame. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even shoot himself, the pictures from the security cameras still just look a little off.
YangTarex@reddit
he became based
baalsballs@reddit
Dange was it the healthcare system. What happened bros. Was it the fuckery
pito-faezz@reddit
polish_animu_boi@reddit
He didn't do it though
reaverbad@reddit
Surf accident which leaved him with big back pain and a long term contact with health insurance policies