Would you buy a Chinese EV if it were available in the US? Why or why not?
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Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
No. I prefer to avoid Chinese products.
Kaurifish@reddit
The Chinese-made vac bot we bought last year is so much better than any Neato or Roomba…
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
Good for you. 🤷♂️ I’d rather avoid contributing to the economy of a country where you can’t criticize the government.
Kaurifish@reddit
Must be rough when you’re in the U.S.
ElPatioColonial@reddit
How are you not allowed to criticize the govt in the US? People do it every day lmao
Kaurifish@reddit
And wind up in a torture prison if you have the wrong skin color.
ElPatioColonial@reddit
Lol K
MrDabb@reddit
The funny part is I already know you actively criticize the government and you will never understand the irony of this comment you just made.
Kaurifish@reddit
I grew up Libertarian. Criticizing the government is a brain stem reflex.
It’s also a privilege of being white af.
Waltz8@reddit
I don't know you but I can guarantee that at least 40% of the products you use, or some of their components, were manufactured in China or went through the Chinese supply chain.
Bella_Isabella_@reddit
I must have missed something, did the Jedi say they never use Chinese goods? One can hold a preference without exercising it fully.
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
I said “avoid” twice. 😑
GooGuyy@reddit
That part, people always say they don’t trust Chinese made products without realizing they’re likely using a Chinese made product everyday
MyUsername2459@reddit
We KNOW it's very hard, nearly impossible, to completely avoid buying things from China.
However, that doesn't mean we'll just buy Chinese things if we have a choice. Especially big-ticket items where quality matters.
Chinese merchandise has a reputation for being low-quality junk that falls apart. When it's a $5 item you can replace at Family Dollar or Wal-Mart that doesn't mean much, when it's a $50,000 car it means a lot more.
Hougie@reddit
Brother I'd almost guarantee over 50% of the parts that make up the car you currently drive were manufactured in China. Even when a car is "Made In The USA" it's typically comprised of parts made in China and assembled in the USA.
MeatInteresting1090@reddit
Apple has a reputation for being low quality junk that falls apart?
Bane8080@reddit
There is a difference between a product that uses components made in China, vs a product owned and run made by a Chinese run company, which may or may not have tied to their government.
Hougie@reddit
The double standard we seem to apply is crazy.
The United States asks for and receives back doors into USA owned products constantly. Apple made headlines because they didn't grant that access explicitly (the government was still able to crack it).
The US government has killed many more of it's own citizens in the past 50 years than China has. Yet we sit here and fear monger.
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
I’m aware. 😑
CorsairExtraordinair@reddit
But Japanese is okay...
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
Japanese products have had a good reputation for decades. I live in Japan. I’ve bought very little here I’m dissatisfied with. So, yeah. Don’t try and imply discrimination.
ElPatioColonial@reddit
Yes, Japanese products are generally better than Chinese.
Individual-Theory307@reddit
Many Chinese products are as safe and reliable as U.S. made products. But the well made products rarely meet the low price point of retailers like Walmart. Walmart often purchases the less expensive items which also tend to be the worse quality items, and that is the broadest exposure to Chinese goods that the average US consumer gets. Be willing to shell out a little more money and don’t shop at Walmart, and you will find out how well made the consumer grade Chinese products are manufactured. At Walmart you are getting the scraps from the bottom of the barrel.
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
That’s a lot of words to say “Don’t buy the shitty Chinese TVs at Walmart.”
TelcoSucks@reddit
More likely don't buy the shitty TVs at Walmart.
bsmithi@reddit
yes because i don’t think I’m the main character and china doesn’t give a shit about whatever they could infer from my car, if they did
Fit_Permission_6187@reddit
JFC, thank you for actually being honest. All these sanctimonious people claiming they "only buy American" or "ChInA EvIL" would be the first people in line to purchase a brand-new $20,000 EV.
MrDabb@reddit
I always think you should buy American. I am a purchasing agent for my company and actively search out made in USA products even if they cost more and the quality is way better on almost every product I've seen.
TommyPickles2222222@reddit
Exactly.
thomsenite256@reddit
You dont think in a war time scenario or something they would just turn off all of your brakes?
bsmithi@reddit
I think it’s super weird that you think that, honestly
Asparagus9000@reddit
I'd wait until that model has been sold here for a while.
I don't like being an early adopter for things like that.
Dodaddydont@reddit
I think they have been out for quite a while now. Definitely wouldn't be an early adopter at this point
firesquasher@reddit
Not to play the opposite of this, but why would it being sold here be the problem? Its the #2 selling ev brand globally. I personally dont have the need for an EV, but that makes a statement as to its popularity.
ehs06702@reddit
Because the infrastructure for charging and repairs need to be built here to make them cost effective for the average consumer.
And this country is notoriously slow about building necessary infrastructure.
firesquasher@reddit
BYD can use Tesla compatible chargers so the infrastructure is already there. Doesnt seem too far fetched that a rollout of BYD would also include the companies acquisition of repair facilities. as you noted, the government is notoriously slow, but companies driven by profit and expansion are not. This was a problem that was basically non existent for Tesla, and they were fighting a new emerging market, not entering an existing one.
ben7337@reddit
Hasn't China had car models available for years though? So depending on the model maybe you could check how reliable it is according to Chinese consumers who have been dealing with it for years. It's only early adopting if something is new, not if you're just being introduced to something that's been around a while and is being adopted globally.
noviceartificer@reddit
I like new toys and all but a car isn’t exactly what I’m going to gamble on.
Alarmed-Resource6406@reddit
But these Chinese EV aren’t first gen. First gen was like 10 years ago. It’s the gas charging station networks that we need here.
pondelniholka@reddit
BYD is HUGE in New Zealand and our electric buses are from Geely. You wouldn't be an early adopter. That shit works good!
fetus-wearing-a-suit@reddit
My friend bought a Chinese car, she says it's 10/10, absolutely no complaints about it. Someone did a hit and run on her, knocked the side mirror. She said it was fucking awful having to deal with the dealership on getting the replacement parts and that it took way too long, there are basically no parts for them yet.
Omgkimwtf@reddit
That's about the only reason I'd wait, for repairs to be more accessible
WhatABeautifulMess@reddit
For EV the local infrastructure is more relevant to me than whether it worked for a country on the other side of the world. We have EV with only Level 2 charging at home so id need to know whether it works with existing chargers, which are breaking down and being pulled out all over the place. I have little faith new ones would be added in our current climate if there run on different ones. I wouldn’t buy the first stateside run the same as I wouldn’t have bought the first Tesla here or the first Ford EV.
Drew707@reddit
I'd say it isn't just the tech or machining, but the newness of the logistics and support network.
Better_Chicken_5184@reddit
That's actually pretty legit.
Any-Worldliness-679@reddit
Same with UK
mittencamper@reddit
I just came back from Sweden and there were BYD, Link & Co, and Zeekr cars everywhere. You wouldn't be an early adopter. The rest of the world has been driving them for a while now.
Better_Chicken_5184@reddit
Are you really an early adopter if the model has been sold in the rest of the world for years?
Outlaw_Josie_Snails@reddit
Potentially, yes. I would need to see how well and how long the cars have performed in cold climates and other extremes.
I would also need to know about parts replacement availability and the time frame. If someone hits my car and knocks off the side-view mirror, how long do I have to wait until it gets replaced?
I would also need to see crash test reporting. I know Canada, Europe, and other regions seem to have good crash test reporting organizations.
BYD only started selling in 2021 or 2022 in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, and Mexico. I am interested in the data.
If BYD and other Chinese makers can prove reliability like Honda, Toyota, and Nissan did over the years, then I certainly would consider buying one.
Better_Chicken_5184@reddit
They've become very popular where I live, 200 miles above the arctic circle. Their PHEV system is especially popular. They seem to perform very well and the batteries have an 8 year guarantee.
BullsOnParadeFloats@reddit
You would actually be a latecomer, because the US government bans the sale of them in the country, because "China bad" and domestic companies are wholly incapable of competing with them.
They would have to be hit with a 200% tariff just so domestic companies could compete, because these Chinese companies are selling almost every model for below $20,000. IIRC, they even have a model that comes in below $10,000.
thatlukeguy@reddit
Yeah, but the way I see it, if they brought over models that they have over there, they are already pretty well tested and you're not an early adopter. Half a billion Chinese people have already early adopted and beta tested a lot of that technology.
ehs06702@reddit
Eh, I see their point.
I remember when electric cars and hybrids were first going mainstream, and they were struggling to do so because the charging and repair infrastructure wasn't as widespread as it needed to be.
It's early adoption for the US, and growing pains are bound to exist.
Any-Worldliness-679@reddit
The rest of the world has been driving them for years, lol.
Darth_Lacey@reddit
Regardless of country of origin. Plenty of people want to be early adopters, and I’m happy to let them have it
AAA515@reddit
Ha ha! My inability to afford any new car means I never get early adoption burn!
Sorry_Rutabaga3031@reddit
My 1st car was a first gen car and it was so buggy. I will never
passisgullible@reddit
Especially something I can't have die on me because it would be extremely dangerous and detrimental to my life.
bryku@reddit
Probably not, at least not in the next 5 years. They have a rough go so far.
Pandaburn@reddit
Depends what it costs in the US. I’ve seen Xiaomi cars that are way more value for the money than US cars if you can buy them for what they cost in china, but they pile definitely cost more here.
External_Tomato_2880@reddit
The didi and texi cars are mostly EV in China now. Many of them have over 300k , 400km mileage already.
External_Tomato_2880@reddit
yes. of course, the price has to be not inflated too much. Chinese EV is such a beaury and luxury with reasonable price. it is an unbelievable great deal
Gaxxz@reddit
I wouldn't buy any EV. I like ICEs.
Dazzling-Climate-318@reddit
I will not purchase an EV at this time. I am not wealthy enough to have an attached garage with a home charging station. Charging one on the street in front of my home or across the street in front of parkland isn’t practical.
I can imagine buying one when I am old and impoverished however to get to and from a job I might need to get if Social Security ends and I move to a subsidized apartment if they would have charging stations.
LopsidedCry7692@reddit
No, and they should be banned
SignificantSmotherer@reddit
No.
Unless we have leadership that is going to prioritize cheap energy, especially electric rates, and EVs are allowed to disconnect fully from Big Brothers tether, there is no reason to buy one from any country.
I paid over $0.70/KWH last month.
Bay_arean@reddit
In a heartbeat, I'd buy more than one. Even at a 100% tariff. Even if there was no local service or warranty on it.
OneManShow23@reddit
While I’d rather support American workers by buying US made cars (even those from foreign companies), I’d buy a Chinese EV to hold car companies accountable for overcharging us for cars. Yes, Chinese EV are made artificially cheaper and they’re a form of dumping but car prices have gone up artificially too and it’s time to bring the prices down.
j7style@reddit
It depends. If tarrifs are going to make it cost 2-3 times as much, then likely never. If its sold at the prices they are paying plus shipping, then it might be the only new vehicle I'll likely ever be able to afford. So yeah, probably.
Negative-Arachnid-65@reddit
If it met US road safety standards and was competitive in features, I would consider it.
Hawk13424@reddit
Any concerns about cybersecurity standards?
I doubt most Chinese cars meet the new European CRA requirements coming soon.
Negative-Arachnid-65@reddit
Yes, for sure, a concern to seriously consider depending on the specific make/model/state of regulations - not a categorical dealbreaker.
Unfortunately that's increasingly true for American-made cars as well.
ScientistNo906@reddit
Wonder how much it would add to the price to meet U.S. standards?
Mallthus2@reddit
Virtually nothing for any vehicle that’d have a realistic chance of selling in North America, as those vehicles are already being sold in markets that have similar or higher standards.
For instance, Chinese vehicles being sold today in Mexico either meet Mexico’s NOM-194-SE-2021, the US’ FMVSS, or the UN’s ECE requirements. All of those standards are so close to one another that required changes (at least for EVs) are more about labeling than anything structural or functional.
Hawk13424@reddit
Do they meet ISO26262, ISO21424, and CRA standards? It isn’t just about safety but also security, especially cybersecurity.
Mallthus2@reddit
Until recent FCC rulings, by and large the answer is yes. Again, standards are similar globally and the cost for US certification is relatively low (incrementally). Of course, the new rules requiring certification by US labs increases the timelines and costs (without any verifiable improvement in compliance).
Negative-Arachnid-65@reddit
It's probably impossible/impractical for some of the models and maybe some of the brands.
But some of them are already sold in Europe and, at least on paper, appear highly competitive compared to American (or Korean/Japanese/German) EVs. It's probably not a huge jump from Western European safety standards to American ones.
Better_Chicken_5184@reddit
It's actually a downgrade. EEA standard are higher than US standards. Also, there is no "western European safety standards".
Act1_Scene2@reddit
Are they though?
Seems like they're functionally equivalent, higher in some, lower in others.
smcl2k@reddit
It's a fairly large step down. Hence the Cyber Truck.
PAXICHEN@reddit
Cyber truck is available in Europe.
smcl2k@reddit
Last I saw, they couldn't be registered in the UK or in any EU country?
PAXICHEN@reddit
Sorry. Based on my seeing a few on the road. But you’re right, they’re not generally available.
smcl2k@reddit
They're sold in Europe, where safety standards are far more strict.
Creativity_mountain@reddit
In a lot of aspects, including pedestrian safety, yes, but US tests are more stringent on rollover safety
smcl2k@reddit
Probably because the US sells higher cars which are more likely to roll over (and are also far more dangerous to pedestrians and other road users).
clutchthepearls@reddit
It's not a competition. It's simply that different markets have different requirements.
smcl2k@reddit
I was replying to someone who implied that US standards are more strict (unless you think it's more expensive to meet lower safety stanards?)
clutchthepearls@reddit
You are the person that initiated which was more strict than the other.
That's not how it works. Again, the requirements are just different. Even if they were less strict, it would be very unlikely that every test/requirement would be the same, just with a lower threshold. They would still need to make changes to the vehicle simply because the requirements are different. Each vehicle already has a cost associated with it. Any changes needed to sell in a new market, even with your mythical less strict tests, would add to the cost of those vehicles.
smcl2k@reddit
You're ignoring the fact that the cars already exist in countries outside of Europe, and have to comply with safety standards in all of them. There's no reason whatsoever that changing a basic car to meet US requirements would cost more than changing it to meet European or UK requirements (which also require it to be adapted to drive on the opposite side of the road).
clutchthepearls@reddit
I'm not ignoring anything, you just don't understand these concepts.
Further changes add more cost. Those vehicles have already been developed for those markets. That cost is baked into the pricing. Any new changes for new markets adds more cost.
They aren't going to discount their R&D costs from developing models to hit EU requirements from the US market cars. They're going to add the costs of R&D to hit US requirements on top of whatever the cost per unit was already.
smcl2k@reddit
So they'd apply the European costs to the US, but not spread the US costs across the entire company...?
Do you have a source for that?
clutchthepearls@reddit
You really love inferring things that aren't there, huh?
smcl2k@reddit
I'm going to be honest, I know longer have much of an idea what your unsourced claim was supposed to be 🤷🏻♂️ Were you instead suggesting that meeting US requirements would cause prices to surge around the globe? Or something else entirely?
clutchthepearls@reddit
I don't think you had any idea to begin with.
smcl2k@reddit
I thought I did, but you're correct. You were claiming something that you have no desire to back up with sources, but I don't know what it was meant to be.
clutchthepearls@reddit
Here is my source that continuing to spend more money on R&D and manufacturing new parts for a product will add to its cost to manufacture.
Squish_the_android@reddit
They really just desperately need to get the last word in here.
smcl2k@reddit
I touched my screen, and the picture was smooth. Definitely yours!
TomSki2@reddit
Germans have loser automobile safety standards than the US? That's news to me...
Squish_the_android@reddit
It's not a matter of looser/stricter as much as it's a matter of different standards with different focus.
seaducks01@reddit
Looser. Usually people fuck it up the opposite way.
Better_Chicken_5184@reddit
Most of them already do. They've been selling in the EEA which has higher standards than the US.
randypupjake@reddit
The US is trying its best to remove standards right now to help the struggling company donors and investors.
Brilliant_Dig_8962@reddit
If that Cybertruck makes the grade...
Lower_Kick268@reddit
The Cybertruck is actually pretty safe, the Mirage somehow met safety standards for years and kept being sold
Brilliant_Dig_8962@reddit
Pretty safe? Okay.
Brilliant_Dig_8962@reddit
Generally, civilised nations assess pedestrian safety. but, yeah, it's pretty safe for The Land of the Free.
smurphy8536@reddit
The cyber truck is safe enough for the people inside. Everyone else around a Tesla is in danger though. At least the Chinese companies arent arrogant enough to think that self driving can’t be achieved without LIDAR.
ron_mexxico@reddit
Its 5 star?
Negative-Arachnid-65@reddit
Lol fair point though that's one EV I definitely won't be buying.
CowboysFTWs@reddit
Chinese hoverboards all over again.
W3inerSchnitze1@reddit
No because I barely trust my own government, why would I trust a country known for data mining?
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess-@reddit
your phone is also constantly data mining
W3inerSchnitze1@reddit
Can’t avoid that unless I get a Linux based or dumb phone. I have more freedom on car choices. Plenty of great dumb cars out there still rolling. The only tech I want in old cars is more airbags, other than that - they are perfect.
randoaccountdenobz@reddit
What can a car data mine from you that a phone cannot? The phone already collects your location data and pretty much everything in the world about you.
W3inerSchnitze1@reddit
Your driving patterns.
Notice how every car insurance co wants you to enable active monitoring for a discount on your premium?
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess-@reddit
new american cars are doing this too
W3inerSchnitze1@reddit
Didn’t say the kill switch was unique, but the blatant lying of how your data is used is my concern.
Also, I will stay with older cars until they just aren’t safe enough. Any car with a constant cellphone signal is used to mine your shit.
randoaccountdenobz@reddit
Dude if that’s what your concerned about… I don’t know how you’re fine with using Reddit, any Meta platforms, shit even Google…
W3inerSchnitze1@reddit
I don’t have social media and I’m not exactly advertising who I am here. I use a masked email.
I do what I can to practice anonymity. Everyone should.
Hougie@reddit
You could avoid Reddit too
W3inerSchnitze1@reddit
Nah
Spirited_Ingenuity89@reddit
But not for the Chinese government…
Round-Outcome6491@reddit
Honestly, the closer the government, the worse the data mining is. My own government can do a lot more to me than a foreign government on the other side of the planet.
TechnologyDragon6973@reddit
Maybe I’d consider it if the US auto industry no longer existed, gas powered engines were no longer manufactured anywhere, and China no longer had a communist government.
MarxAndSamsara@reddit
In a heartbeat. Maybe a Xiaomi or Zeekr. I'm honestly pissed that the rest of the world gets to drive high-tech, cheap Chinese electric cars while Uncle Sam denies us Americans the freedom to do so because US car companies don't know how to compete with their Chinese counterparts.
JoganLC@reddit
No, I try and refrain form sending money directly to the CCP.
MarxAndSamsara@reddit
I go out of my way to send them mine.
thatkevinwong@reddit
Absolutely would go for one
MarxAndSamsara@reddit
The propaganda in this country is next level.
Tardisgoesfast@reddit
No. Not til they free Hong Kong and Tibet.
Potential-Drawing745@reddit
And the Uyghurs.
MarxAndSamsara@reddit
Lol
w3woody@reddit
For me, the biggest expense and uncertainty is from retrofitting my garage to run a 220v high amperage power line for a charger.
ben7337@reddit
If it was cost competitive with US gas models or even cheaper I'd say definitely, but if it was taxed to the point of being as expensive or more expensive than US EVs I don't think I'd be particularly interested. That said I'd also want to validate what brand/type of batteries are in it, and how reliable they're expected to be, or how long the car has been sold and driving in China for a reference point on reliability.
devnullopinions@reddit
Maybe? I’ve not had a chance to try out BYD when traveling abroad but on the specs I’d check them out if they were available.
Huge_Monk8722@reddit
Nope.
DMmeNiceTitties@reddit
So like, I like my gas car. I don't drove a big ass truck, it's a small car with great mileage. EV looks cool and all, but the mile range isn't there for me yet, nor do I like the idea of waiting to charge when a gas station is a five minute stop.
nzahn1@reddit
Most EV drivers don’t wait to charge any long than it takes to park in their driveway. The gas station mindset is the first causality to EV ownership.
DMmeNiceTitties@reddit
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it take a while to go from E to fully charged? I know some EV drivers charge up through the week so they don't have to charge from low to 100%, but I'd rather fill up gas once a week than make multiple stops to charge through the week. Unless if my perception is wrong and super chargers have come a long way. I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking.
nzahn1@reddit
Most of the day, most cars are parked for over 12 hours at home and 8 hours at work.
Even at the slowest charger, running off a household outlet, 12 hours of charging at home each night is enough to add 40-50 miles of range.
Most Americans drive between 25-40 miles a day.
So, plugging an EV into a household outlet at night adds enough range to more than cover their drives the next day.
Basically, just like most modern phones last all day, and can get plugged in at night. For most drivers, plugging an EV in at night more than covers their daily drives.
DMmeNiceTitties@reddit
Ah, okay, thanks for putting me on. I didn't realize you could charge an EV at home with a standard 120V outlet, I thought they had to be 240V with a new outlet installed.
That's fair then, I can see how charging at home daily would barely even register as an inconvenience.
houdini31@reddit
You do need a 240 from everything I have read
Accomplished-Door5@reddit
Read something accurate then. 240 volt is more convenient if you drive a lot because it recharges faster but you can charge off a standard outlet and add around 3 mi of range per hour.
houdini31@reddit
Interesting. I'll stick with my gas motor. Easier to find gas stations and when I need a fill up out and about it takes 5 minutes instead of considerably longer. I can also do a road trip super easy without having to pre plan for charging stations.
Accomplished-Door5@reddit
I plugged a few of my road trips into route planner apps and realized that I’d have made similar or the same stops that I did anyway and the duration of the stops was also similar. It seems like it would be a really big pain but it isn’t for me at least.
dirtyjew123@reddit
My personal situation my job has free chargers for electric vehicles in a section of the parking lot. If I understand correctly they’re offset by solar panels that cover the charging stations.
I only drive maybe 15 miles a day for work, between home and back so I’d just charge it 1-2 times a week at work for free. The people here who do have electric vehicles do this already.
I’m personally not in the market for a new vehicle though, mine is paid off and my wife’s is almost paid off. I’d rather have no payment but if I was in the market for one I’d be tempted just for that reason if the price was right and I liked the car.
Ahtnamas555@reddit
It depends. If you trickle charge at home, you just plug the car in when you get home/as needed and it's charged by morning.
If you use a fast charger. 30 minutes to an hour. We used that time to just walk around towns or go get a drink/snack. By the time we needed to stop, I needed to get out and stretch my legs.
My experience is from moving to NZ and buying an EV, the chargers here charger fast until your car hits 80%, then it becomes much slower. We've honestly have only needed to fast charge the car during one trip a couple weekends ago.
My Leaf estimates 172 miles when fully charged and only doing city driving. On our trip that involved highways (though not as fast as American highways, think back road highways) we estimated that we got 118 miles on a full charge. The vehicle is 5 years old.
So the real question is how many miles do you put on your vehicle per day? It's a 15 minute commute to town for us, I can usually do a few trips before I plug it in at 50%. - I don't plug in daily. Plugging in is literally just park near our garage outlet and plug in. Unplug in morning. Takes less than a minute. Way faster than pumping gas.
Other nice things about an EV is you can have it warm itself up while plugged in - so it warm for you in the morning and it doesn't drain battery. Ours was a base model and still came with stuff like a heated steering wheel and heated seats (including the back row) - which I don't usually see in base models. And Leafs are generally considered the cheap EV cars - the one I have was the cheapest EV in my area that was less than 5 years old at the time.
Also you never have to get an oil change. Maintenance wise, you just have tires, windshield washing fluid, window wipers for routine maintenance. Even break pads last way longer because of engine breaking for regen.
Cost for us is significantly cheaper than gas especially with trickle charging. This can vary some by location - how expensive gas is where you live and how expensive electricity is are both factors. It also costs more to fast charge (it was in line with gas prices before they went up recently).
loweexclamationpoint@reddit
US is a lot bigger than NZ, and a lot of us (maybe 30%?) regularly make road trips with a day of driving 500+ miles, sometimes even on secondary roads. That's where an EV gets a little problematic until we get a better charging network.
My kid & friend are planning a trip in hottest summer from Chicago to New Orleans in friend's Tesla. Will be interesting to see how that goes.
Ahtnamas555@reddit
I know that, I spent my first 30 years of life in the US.
Many households are 2 car households. Are both vehicles routinely going on road trips? In my experience, usually not. Also based on your estimate - 70% of households do not go on long road trips, so an EV might actually fill most of their needs.
It's also entirely possible to rent a vehicle if these are infrequently road trips.
I will say the NZ charging network is better than the US. Though it is also possible to go on a 500+ mile road trip in NZ. Invercargill to Nelson is 601 miles. Wellington to Kaitaia is 591 miles. Both one of those are one direction.
t-poke@reddit
It will go perfectly.
I drove a Tesla from St. Louis to Washington DC in 2020 and STL to Vegas in 2021 and had absolutely zero issues. The charging networks have only gotten better since then, for both Tesla and non-Tesla EVs.
I have an EV6 now and drove STL to Chicago last year. Doing STL to Nashville in two months.
In fact, I would hazard a guess that you won't find a pair of cities in the lower 48 that you cannot do an EV road trip between. You have to start getting way off the beaten path for charging to become a problem. If you're sticking to the interstates, you're fine. Chicago to NOLA is a straight shot down I-55. They will have zero issues charging.
This map is just the Tesla superchargers. There's plenty more chargers from other networks not on that map.
DMmeNiceTitties@reddit
This is very informative. Between you and u/nzahn1, I've learned something new about EVs that warrants me updating my opinion about them. Appreciate the time you took to write that out, thank you.
Ahtnamas555@reddit
I've honestly have been very pleasantly surprised with ours.
I will say that it is both the quietest and noisiest car I've ever driven.
No engine noises - running is very quiet.
But because of how quiet it is, they add on noises so pedestrians can hear you when you're backing up. Because if you're outside the vehicle you cannot hear if the vehicle has turned on. So it makes a loud sonar noise when backing up.
And then anytime a sensor triggers it makes noise- like if the bumper is close to something while parking - that can be turned off I think. I've kept it on because when we first got the car, driving on the opposite side of the road was very foreign, so it's nice to have something tell you if you are close to hitting something - just even on the low volume setting, it's very loud. I've just never had a vehicle so umm vocal about being too close to a plant next to a parking space before.
Crayshack@reddit
Not everyone has options to charge at home and some people road trip as a part of their regular routine. These groups have been lagging behind in terms of EV adoption rates and they will continue to lag so long as public charging infrastructure isn't where it needs to be.
nzahn1@reddit
I can’t easily charge at home either with a faster L2 charger, but I make it work with a slow L1 charger and an extension cord (properly monitored, gauged, and amp limited). I also benefit from the occasional ability to charge at the office.
Charging at home is definitely the gold standard, and works for many Americans, but even without home charging there are other painless solutions besides waiting in your EV at a supercharger or DCFC station. My personal favorite are L2 chargers at parks/playgrounds and libraries. I’ve got kids and spend hours at these kinds of places. While my kids play, I get a nice steady charge instead of my car’s time being wasted sitting idle.
I’ve had many several hundred mile road trips this year visiting family up and down the east coast, and road trips can be an issue for older EVs like my eGolf that have small batteries and short range. But full honesty: we have an older paid-off ICE that we can use for road trips, and it’s efficient enough it’s about break even in terms of fuel/charging cost per road trip vs an EV. However, we plan on replacing it with an 2nd EV when it dies and the US is at the point in EV battery and fast charging infrastructure that it won’t be a problem taking our next EV on road trips.
Even if I only owned my eGolf, I won’t have any problem using the hundreds of dollars I save in fuel and maintenance costs with EV ownership to rent a long-haul vehicle for road trips as needed. Done that before when we travelled cross country visiting extended family.
Crayshack@reddit
The problem I run into is that I frequently travel for work, and typically, the destinations I'm going to don't even have outlets for L1 charging. If L2 chargers actually became common at the places I frequent, it would be a different story, but as it is, that's more of a future theoretical than a reality. Now, in part, my experience is shaped by the fact that I'm specifically driving to places with substandard infrastructure, but that means that the charging options I typically see are way worse than what the average Maryland driver might see.
As it is right now, I have a fully paid off ICE and no reason to have 2 vehicles, so I'm not planning to do a trade-in until that ICE starts to hit the age where it has maintenance issues. I've been eyeballing getting an EV for my next vehicle, but I'm just not confident that the infrastructure is there for the kind of driving I do. A coworker of mine actually has an EV and told me that, for the specific work I do, I shouldn't get an EV. Her routine is just going to the office and back home, so that works fine on home charging, but my routine is driving to rural areas throughout the state, and that's a different ball game.
_Azamat_Bagatov@reddit
Do EVs look cool? Tesla styling has to be ten plus years old at this point and they were goofy looking to begin with imo…
CinemaSideBySides@reddit
I never thought they looked goofy, but I definitely think they sound goofy. That artificial ghostly noise they make always makes me laugh a little.
flaveous@reddit
Everyone who's never owned an EV has range anxiety and range hesitation. I owned EVs for 6 years - been on multiple road trips with the kids to the mountains, to the beach, DC to Florida and back multiple times. The nicest part about owning a Tesla on a road trip was that charging time is also time to use the bathroom, grab snacks and stretch or watch a very short show on Netflix if you need to charge all the way up.
Most of the time, you're only doing a 10 minute charge. For daily driving, I plugged in at home, if I even needed to. The commute I had (gym, grocery, kids sports, etc.) I think I needed to charge like once a week.
Pre-EV, I hated gas stations. Never having to step foot in one except for road trips was AMAZING.
An_elusive_potato@reddit
No. Service matters
TheDutchTexan@reddit
It'll be good for a little while and then it will turn out to be absolute junk.
fatninja987@reddit
I would not buy an American EV, let alone a Chinese one.
Tenos_Jar@reddit
I wouldn't. Or at least without knowing what software and security backdoors the Chinese government mandated the car to be produced with.
mt97852@reddit
Yes, the Huawei car felt like a AMG but it was so freaking cheap. Lots of tech features and helpful aspects. Honestly I wish you could just buy a Waymo.
Far-Lecture-4905@reddit
If it were noticeably cheaper than the EVs that are currently on the market I would do it in a heartbeat. Up front cost is the reason I haven't gotten an EV yet.
Amockdfw89@reddit
No.
I love roadtrips and the EV infrastructure isn’t good enough for that
getElephantById@reddit
The EV infrastructure definitely good enough for road trips. I road trip in mine all the time. It takes a little longer to refuel compared to gas, but I don't actually mind it because I just go walk around whatever town I'm charging in for 20-30 minutes.
sessamekesh@reddit
I just finished an 1800 mile road trip with no issues, on the longest stretch (a 400 mile segment) I probably spent an extra 20 minutes charging but it was more than made up for by plugging in at hotels and never needing to go to gas stations for driving around town.
It's not ideal and the infrastructure needs to be better, but road trips are not hard on EVs nowadays.
Historical-Ad1170@reddit
I just finished an 2 900 km (2.9 Mm) road trip with no issues, on the longest stretch (a 640 km segment)
Now, the whole world can understand.
sessamekesh@reddit
What, the rest of the world can't understand numbers? Too dumb?
But really though, I think the bottom line here is "EV go far just fine in America"
Historical-Ad1170@reddit
They understand numbers tied to SI units. That makes them smart. It's dumb to have to bother with an idiot collection of units no normal person uses when no matter what language they speak, all use the same units of measure, at least all of the intelligent ones.
Figgler@reddit
It really depends on what area of the country you're in. My wife bought an EV Blazer in Phoenix and we specifically had to go through Gallup, NM to get home because it was the only charger on the way. The southwest has huge areas without services of any type.
Ok_Still_3571@reddit
I keep thinking about all the people who took a road trip to Vermont in their EV’s to see the eclipse. Of course they had to recharge before returning to Boston. The wait times for a charging station were up to seven hours. No thanks!
DustyComstock@reddit
Ok, but that’s like a once in a lifetime anomaly which isn’t something you should consider when making the decision to buy an EV or not. The cost and everyday convenience of EV’s is well worth the very infrequent inconvenience you might encounter. Personally, I will never go back to an ICE car after an owning an EV.
Ok_Still_3571@reddit
ICE car? Honestly, you guys are so precious!
zeezle@reddit
Ah yes, nothing more precious than Internal Combustion Engines...?
bebesee@reddit
That is a hyper specific example though. I’ve had an EV since 2020 and have waited an hour to charge only two times the entire time I’ve had it. There are tons of apps to show you what charging stations are available. You just have to plan accordingly.
t-poke@reddit
There's nothing I love more than when people who have never driven an EV tell people who've driven EVs for the better part of a decade why EVs don't work.
"But I tow a camper from the Florida Keys to Barrow, Alaska every year, that's why EVs will never work!"
Great, then don't buy an EV. But stop telling people who have a 20 mile daily commute and have never towed anything and take a road trip to Grandma's house 6 hours away once a year why EVs are doomed to fail.
One-Scallion-9513@reddit
doesn't change the fact that infrastructure is still awful in many areas. i want an ev but i'd need to wait until charging stations are available in the same way gas stations are
melodypowers@reddit
I have had my EV since 2017. There have been 2x it was insufficient for my needs. Once I swapped cars with a friend and once I rented a car.
I think of it like the rare times someone in the city might need a truck. Are you really going to get one so that you can move once a decade? Or will you rent a u-haul?
Ok_Still_3571@reddit
Yes, I understand that. But in many areas of the country, there aren’t many charging stations at hand. In urban areas, it’s good.
One-Scallion-9513@reddit
yep. i made the trip up to vermont because i lived south of totality and i was grateful i had a full tank and wasn't in an ev.
FantasticalRose@reddit
That's why we have one EV and one gas car
speedier@reddit
To be fair, there was long lines for gas as well. As the demand grows, so will the amount of chargers.
CowabungaShaman@reddit
Long lines for gas, but it only takes minutes to get to 100% fueled and out of the way.
Not denying that more chargers = more better. It’ll help a lot.
Negative-Arachnid-65@reddit
Unless the gas stations run out of fuel...
DmlMavs4177@reddit
This. There isn't even a single charging station in my town, I'm a 15 minute drive to the nearest one, and I live in what is technically a metropolitan area. I'm not ready to spend thousands on an L2 charging station at home, since my electrical box is already full on breakers. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have EV options and an extensive public transport system, but unfortunately that would take massive investments that lacks consumer demand.
t-poke@reddit
How long is your daily commute? You may be able to get by with charging on a regular outlet.
Which-Service-5146@reddit
So install one in your garage.
DmlMavs4177@reddit
I'd have to install a garage 😆
DustyComstock@reddit
I think paid about $350 or &400 for the L2 charger in my garage.
Neat_Cat1234@reddit
That’s really crazy to me as a Californian. I have like 20 different charging stations within 15 minutes from my house.
DmlMavs4177@reddit
Checks out, since last I heard CA wasn't back asswards red state.
DustyComstock@reddit
It’s not nearly as bad as you think. Fast chargers are everywhere now, and can get you from zero to 80% in 25 or 30 minutes. And modern EV’s will get you about 250 miles on a charge. On long trips it’s easy to just plan ahead around stopping for a break or a meal while the car charges.
Working-Tomato8395@reddit
My vehicle is mostly a commuter, it's fine for long road trips as well in terms of comfort and reliability, but if I could save some cash in the long-term with some solar panels and a reliable EV for picking up groceries, getting to work, nights out on the town, I'd strongly consider some cheap, small, safe EV for that even if it doesn't have a billion bells and whistles. I've driven cheap tiny cars that are basically only meant for warm weather and clear roads, and they still have enough utility for my needs.
Thayli11@reddit
My husband took our Tesla from Seattle to Atlanta 3 years ago when we moved, and never had an issue. I've done several multistate trips as well, but none were that long. So the infrastructure is pretty robust, and just keeps getting better. EVs are a lot of fun to drive.
getElephantById@reddit
Nope. I'd like there to be more auto manufacturing in the United States, not less. I support Chinese cars being sold in the U.S., but I wouldn't buy one personally.
Boopa0011@reddit
I don't trust the Chinese Communist Party, and you only have a successful business in China if you do what the Chinese Communist Party says.
If these become available, I will pass, at least for the foreseeable future.
PuppySnuggleTime@reddit
Given my experience with the garbage coming out of China, absolutely not.
bh4th@reddit
I’d have to do some serious research about quality control. Chinese industry is capable of making exceptionally high-quality goods, and also kids’ toys with flaky lead paint.
FearDaTusk@reddit
Ditto. Engineering 101 when I was in college... They had us buy Made in USA and Made in China materials then measure them with precision tools for tolerances. In short, Chinese goods were not good.
The professor said that you might build a deck but not any critical structures with those tolerances.
I would expect that there may be some products that are exceptional quality. My personal bias will hope that they meet or exceed what comes out of Japan and Germany. That's just the first step (mechanically) there's still the matter of support, service, and reliability.
It takes years to build trust and every brand has had failures that erode that trust.
Federal_Pickles@reddit
I’ve built about a dozen offshore oil rigs in my career.
There’s a definite difference in quality comparing Chinese shipyards/parts and Singaporean/Korean shipyards.
Like a massive difference. I avoided going on Chinese built rigs as much as I could. It’s not just parts, it’s also how the steel is assembled. The integrity of the entire vessel is suspect.
MonkeyCome@reddit
I work at a waste to energy facility and our big ash conveyor used to have links from China. It was $6 each compared to $40each for an American made link. For the first year I was here we were breaking links and spending hours every shift correcting it. Eventually corporate caved and let us order American links.
In the 1 1/2 years since that change I can count on one hand how many links have broken. Don’t buy shit made out of chinesium.
triplealpha@reddit
But have you tried Stalinium? ⚒️🚩
obiworm@reddit
I think there’s a big difference between Chinese manufacturers-for-hire and big names like Huawei and BYD. I’d trust a big international company with a good reputation for quality. I’d still be weary of security and information privacy though.
Crying_in_99Ranch@reddit
China has come a long way since then and makes a lot of mid-tier/upper-tier items now. They were also poorly made because that's what consumers were willing to pay for and no regulations both there and in the US for consumer safety. Gotta love capitalism
justaclumsyweirdo@reddit
This. Brands like Anker for power banks are top-notch, and Xiaomi makes a variety of great stuff too. People keep treating Chinese products with the mentality of “must be low cost and low quality”, so that’s often all you’re gonna get.
They certainly /can/ make a lot of medium cost, high quality stuff. But you need enough demand to support them working through the regulatory barriers to enter a market.
SigglyTiggly@reddit
The problem is the tofu drege culture, it is deeply engrained becuase of how rules are viewed culturally.
If a rule is inconvenient or not heavily enforced they will not follow it. They will skimp unless you put alot of pressure. The ccp and its people are different
fighter_pil0t@reddit
I think this is the right take. If you are seeking a deal you are going to get shit quality whether you buy from China or anywhere else. They are meeting a consumer demand. Typically these cheap goods cost more in the long run with maintenance and replacement. If there was no low end market pressure China is more than capable of manufacturing quality products.
blueponies1@reddit
Yeah, China is capable of making great products. But when your economy is based around having goods that you are selling in bulk to countries across the world, you need things that can be created cheap by cheap labor and materials and still be cheap enough to ship that far and make a profit. It isn’t that everything from China is shit, it’s just they found their bread and butter in quantity over quality with their products.
Think of Turkey in the firearms market compared to German, Italy or the US. Same kind of thing but with large scale manufacturing.
Retb14@reddit
There was a guy that did an AMA about his work and he mentioned that the majority of the time he has to go to China and personally oversee the quality control because they will skimp on anything they can. Some of the steel parts they had ordered were made with iron instead of steel or the makeup of the steel was so bad that it would have been worse than iron strength wise
If you manage to get good quality control like some bigger companies then they can make good stuff but most of the time they will just ship anything they can get away with
Those large companies end up having a lot of stuff thrown away or sold by the manufacturer because it didn't pass QC too, though it's cheap enough that it doesn't really hurt the companies
slowclapcitizenkane@reddit
I would absolutely consider a BYD.
BizarroMax@reddit
If it was a good car, sure, why not?
thomsenite256@reddit
No I dont want to the Chinese government to have control over my car lol.
Ok-Cardiologist-1969@reddit
No. 1. I wouldn’t buy any ev because I live in an apartment with no means of charging a vehicle at home. 2.I would never buy a vehicle from a company without a significant presence in the U.S. parts and service would be a major concern for me
Hawk13424@reddit
No. I don’t trust the CCP if a conflict breaks out over Taiwan.
Rikishi6six9nine@reddit
No. I'll continue to support good paying UAW jobs. We've already offshored so much of our manufacturing.
You can't complain about lack of good paying jobs in the US, if you will gladly pay to offshore more manufacturing jobs.
zytz@reddit
In general I agree- and I support UAW- but American manufacturers have the ability to innovate and simply don’t, because the vehicles that could threaten their market share can’t legally be sold here at a competitive price. It’s the worst kind of protectionism, designed to hold consumers captive to stagnating manufacturing and the oligarchs that run the American oil cartel. They could make smaller affordable cars but they don’t. They get bigger and bigger every year. They could make vehicles with reasonable trim packages. But they don’t. Instead they’re looking at how best to lock every piece of function in your car behind a touch screen with a monthly subscription. We could be at the bleeding edge of cheap and nearly free energy, but we’re not, because America runs on fucking oil, and they’ll let the country wither and die before they stop drilling.
Rikishi6six9nine@reddit
We have cars sold in the US from asia and europe. We have a lot of auto brands available in the US.
I agree about the Ford and GM brands not innovating much. But there's a reason they don't make small affordable cars here. People don't buy them. Most of the sedans they were making were largely made in Mexico with cheap labor allowing them to be "affordable"
Poette-Iva@reddit
My issue is that 99% of American cars are too fuckong big.
JefeRex@reddit
Germany is having an absolute nervous breakdown about this. China is flooding the German market with their little EVs that they are selling at a lower price than what they sell them for in China, and German auto manufacturers can’t compete. The Chancellor flew to Beijing to demand that China stop that immediately, as if that would do any good at all.
The US identity crisis about China eating our lunch with manufacturing has now come to Germany, now that China is upscaling to the kind of higher end manufacturing that Germany traditionally excels at. We will see how this all goes… it is like watching what happened to the US a couple decades ago play out all over again.
PAXICHEN@reddit
I’ve been in Germany 9 years and within the last 4 I’ve seen a ton of Chinese EVs. Brands that I had never even heard of, emblems I didn’t recognize.
JefeRex@reddit
Are they selling well?
PAXICHEN@reddit
There seem to be quite a few on the road. Though there are plenty of Korean EVs as well. I don’t have sales numbers, just anecdotes - but there are a noticeable number. I see more Chinese EVs than I do any Subaru.
We have a Lexus plugin hybrid and a Subaru Forester.
HairyDadBear@reddit
I'd explore all options first, but I'd buy it if I like what I see.
Cache-Cow@reddit
Yes
Fast-Plane-2925@reddit
No
GOW_vSabertooth2@reddit
No. I wouldn’t even take an American electric car for free. I drive more a day than they can charge a day at a home outlet and there’s no chargers within 500 miles of me. Most of them are hideous, and they don’t have that lovely v8 sound
pandito_flexo@reddit
I'd wait until the second generation so any issues with gen 1 are solved. Additionally, so long as the vehicles meet Federal and State safety guideline, sure.
thomasrat1@reddit
I would, but I’d probably rent or something until we knew more about the car.
Beautiful-Lie1239@reddit
Available AND no insane tariffs
Look, no matter what people say, if they can get one of these nice cars for less than 15000$, they are gonna buy. Even while cursing “cheap knockoffs” at the same time.
DannyDanumba@reddit
No lmao
Naddyman2005@reddit
Hell nah. I would never buy a Chinese piece of crap. Not only am I boycotting them due to their horrible build quality, but also due to political and economic reasons as well. Bring more European car brands to the U.S instead.
sargon_of_the_rad@reddit
Yes. American cars are shit, and I don't give a fuck about enriching shareholders in American companies. Why would I? Lunacy.
I get to pay better prices for a better product and my money is going to a better country? Sign me up.
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
If they were known to be reliable.
WhichWitch9402@reddit
No. I would not be comfortable not knowing extent of info car/app would be gathering for China and possibility of malware being uploaded from car.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist,but I do work in IT and know a bit about security and bad actors. China already has so may folks ensnared with temu and alibaba with cheap prices and they don’t care about their security. And then there’s the slave labor of ethnic minorities to add into the equation.
Aggravating-Title965@reddit
acting like you have information worth stealing lmfao
WhichWitch9402@reddit
Hey if you want all your financial info out there and someone steal your money and identity, then go for it. I prefer to keep the assessors I’ve earned.
FantasticalRose@reddit
Look up Cambridge analytica. It's the little information about you that you didn't think mattered that makes a difference
Aggravating-Title965@reddit
seems like it was used for mostly political persuasion, this guys is talking about car malware lol. What are they going to do? steal your banking info? Turn off the breaks?
so many people think they are so important that China is gonna come over and spy on you specifically haha
SigglyTiggly@reddit
Why would i want a forgien hostil goverment spying on me
FantasticalRose@reddit
Track where you're going, Who you know, who you meet with, what you do, What you say in the car? Those are major things. None of that information collected will be secure. So your private life slowly becomes an open book. And yes we are already seeing patented technology where... People can be conveniently steered off the road.
And even if you're nobody.
Cambridge analytica used the small things they knew about people to find who was the most.... Persuadable and are credited for completely swaying the outcome of one the largest elections in the world.
Consumer data is one of the most profitable and valuable markets in existence at the moment for a reason.
The idea that you have nothing to hide only gives more power to these people. And if you think China isn't gunning for the opportunity.... It's already bad enough the changes being made by Oracle and Google along with the massive push to tie your identification to your accounts and your searches.
They know exactly what they're doing and it has nothing to do with protecting children.
Aggravating-Title965@reddit
sure consumer data is definitely profitable, but if you live in american you should probably be more concerned about the american tech companies who have more ability to utilize that information for their interests.
FantasticalRose@reddit
I quite literally added that at the end.... Oracle is who bought TikTok also the same family is buying all of our news channels.
Not_A_Crazed_Gunman@reddit
Who says they aren't also concerned about that?
ChiSchatze@reddit
Did you read the article about Lenovo where there was concern after becoming Chinese owned. There wasn’t proof but they found an unknown item on the motherboard of some Lenovo computers. Tech experts couldn’t conclusively determine what it was for. 15+ years later, I think all federal employees and consultants who consult for US gov agencies are prohibited from using Lenovo.
LeeBalouHere@reddit
The bigger risk, as i see it, is that at any time China could decide to disable your car. Imagine if we got into a conflict over Taiwan and China decided to brick every Chinese car on American roads. It could take weeks to clean up the mess. They’ve already discovered remote access software on Chinese-built cranes in US ports and they’re spending millions to remove it.
MyUsername2459@reddit
They discovered similar backdoors in Chinese telecom hardware, which lead to legal changes a few years back banning Chinese-made parts (right down to the silicon level) from the US telecommunications grid. . .and those functions even included being able to turn 5G cell sites into active jamming facilities to jam US Strategic Command nuclear command and control signals (source).
Happymuffn@reddit
I'm way less concerned about Chinese surveillance than American surveillance because I live in America and not China. And as it happens, Uyghur labor is in the supply chain for American cars as well.
Hougie@reddit
Posted from my Reddit account
Spirited_Ingenuity89@reddit
Yeah, this is my take as well.
loftychicago@reddit
Same. I also work in tech. I would not be comfortable talking to anyone while in the car, connecting my phone to it, etc.
HRDBMW@reddit
I absolutly would. And probably will get a NEV in the near future.
Docmantistobaggan@reddit
No, never under any circumstances
Durham1988@reddit
Fuck yes in a heartbeat. My brother in law lives in Sydney and has three of them and loves them. Sweet cars.
AzuleStriker@reddit
No, I don't have money for a vehicle. Also, not sure of any charging stations in my area.
IntelligentWay8475@reddit
No. Not a fan of the Chinese govt and I’ll never drive an EV.
AyAyAyBamba_462@reddit
No. At least not until they had been proven to be reliable for several years.
I don't trust anything that comes from a Chinese company. I automatically assume it comes loaded with spyware and is made as cheeply as possible, mostly by cutting corners especially when it comes to safety.
random_throws_stuff@reddit
if you polled americans in the 70s about japanese cars they’d have probably given similar responses.
assuming it was priced as competitively as it is in the rest of the world, yes, absolutely.
Price-x-Field@reddit
No. One of the few things I take pride in this world is buying as many ethically sourced things as possible. I’ve also just never liked the thought of driving a non American car, even if it’s made in Mexico or whatever…
Zillajami-Fnaffan2@reddit
No because i cant drive
HL12122106@reddit
Capitalism demands buying the best value
rockettaco37@reddit
I've heard they're surprisingly high quality, so I wouldn't be 100% opposed.
SonUnforseenByFrodo@reddit
I would want to see more around to determine their durability and service departments that can repair them. I don't want to buy something that breaks and the only place that can repair them is 4 hours away and charges an arm and a leg.
Federal-Membership-1@reddit
BYD is selling in Germany and UK and breaking into Canada this year. That's a good test.
GreatRecipeCollctr29@reddit
I won't be an early adopter as if the parts were not available. It would take a long time to get an order, then repair it. I would trust Japanese cars fir durability, or the Ford.
Henrithebrowser@reddit
No, I don’t trust anything developed in china
AgentAaron@reddit
In a heartbeat...
If I could get my hands on a Xiaomi SU7 here in the states, I would be happy. Despite them not being very popular here in the US, I have been using Xiaomi phones, robot vacuums, etc. for close to two decades.
The review that MKBHD did of the SU7 was really good.
The_Menu_Guy@reddit
No. I don’t trust China or Chinese products. I purposely try to avoid them.
ChemMJW@reddit
No. I try to limit my consumption of Chinese merchandise, so I would definitely not make a major purchase like a Chinese auto.
LivingGhost371@reddit
No. I care about my fellow Americans in the auto industry and I don't want to support an evil, tyrannical, anti-democratic government and drive a vehicle that the Chinese government probably has a spy camera and remote kill switch in.
Utterlybored@reddit
They look great, all reports suggest they perform really well and they’re very affordable.
Sufficient-Quail-714@reddit
Yes. But two caveats to this. I already drive a EV. AND I want the otter
ImpressionCool1768@reddit
More then likely I heard there EVs are cheaper then a normal gas car and electricity for now is wayyyy cheaper then gas in my area
Bullehh@reddit
I wouldn't buy any electric vehicle outside of maybe one of those neat scooters.
Better-Strategy8798@reddit
DEM COMMY KARS
Worried-Scarcity-410@reddit
No. I can buy for everyday items, but not for cars when life and death matters.
Mallthus2@reddit
I’d absolutely shop them. My decision to own would be based on my confidence in the particular manufacturer and their importer. The lower my confidence, the lower the price would need to be to justify my experimentation.
I don’t have any real concerns about product quality, but I do have concerns about many newer Chinese EV makers either folding completely, or at least existing the market and leaving existing buyers high and dry.
gthomps83@reddit
After I see the crash test results. If it passes Euro or US, I’m down, especially the newest ones that are charging at insane speeds. If we had the infrastructure to support that, it’d be amazing. As it is, they wouldn’t be troubled at all by even our fastest chargers, and current EV infrastructure meets most (not all) people’s needs.
Cow_Man32@reddit
No. I only drive manual transmissions preferably with a high displacement engine.
Certain-Monitor5304@reddit
No
AlaskanDruid@reddit
Depends if it’s massively over priced like American vehicles.
houdini31@reddit
No because I think the expenses associated with EV parts will end up keeping the masses away from them. They are still a niche and I just don't see that changing
jrstriker12@reddit
Yes. All the reviews say these cars are really good. Even the CEO of of Ford was impressed. Seem to be better cars at lower prices.
Potential-Drawing745@reddit
I wouldn't buy an EV, so no. I'm perfectly happy with my hybrid.
HeyPurityItsMeAgain@reddit
No.
ExitTheHandbasket@reddit
I chose to avoid buying a Buick Envision partly because it was made in China. I'm distrustful of technology manufactured in a country openly engaging in state sponsored global cyber surveillance.
Ccrawfisshh@reddit
I am concerned about security, and it’s probably case by case, but if I could spend 10,000 dollars less in some cases I would. Cars are a huge expense everyone has to pay in America so why would I not make it easier on myself?? Read the fine print, don’t connect to sus things and you’ll be alright.
chrysostomos_1@reddit
We rode In BYD vehicles a few times on recent international trips. They seem decent.
rawbface@reddit
Only if I still see them on the road after 10 years. No way in hell I'd be the first to own one.
I was just thinking this yesterday about Kia, how the new stupid "KN" logo is all you see anymore. It came out in 2021.... which means I literally cannot find a Kia more than 5 years old. Searched half the Target parking lot yesterday, not-a-one.
Ill_Pressure3893@reddit
You first.
hlrabbit@reddit
真几把思配苦,pathetic
JaniceRossi_in_2R@reddit
No
I wouldn’t trust it to be safe or reliable
OperationStraight808@reddit
yes and they should be sold here
OkQuantity4011@reddit
No, because I prefer mechanical systems to digital ones.
I have that preference because I don't want to put my life and wellness or those of others at the risk of some "own nothing and be happy" maniac.
I would trust a Chinese EV more than one from Ford or Tesla.
However, my base requirements of "I bought it so it's mine" and "don't f*** spy on me" are not negotiable.
It can have a radio, but not on ISP frequencies, Wi-Fi included.
Living_Fig_6386@reddit
I would consider it the same way I do for other cars. I set a budget, look what's available, note the models and features, then look at a wide array of reviews of build quality, owner forums, etc. Then I'd test drive. I think last time I bought a car I must have test driven 10 or so cars. I wouldn't count them out, but I probably also would wait until the brand has been in the US for a couple of years to make sure that they are likely to stick around a while.
NotPoggersDude@reddit
No, I already own a car
Justin__D@reddit
I seem to be in the minority here, but hell to the yes.
American EVs are overpriced trash. BYD absolutely curb stomps all of them.
I'm hoping my Prius will last me until I have the option to buy one, but if not, my brother (the family car guy) says a Nissan Leaf would be a perfectly respectable backup plan.
TheMewMaster@reddit
I honestly wouldn't even buy an EV made in America. They don't do so well in North East winters.
Different_Cherry8326@reddit
I probably wouldn’t since I think the Chinese government subsidizes uncompetitive trade practices (why the US and everyone else worldwide just goes along with it is another question) and encourages rampant IP theft, among other things.
And the price advantage of Chinese EVs, which would be the main selling point, would probably evaporate if they actually came to the US and had to meet US safety standards and consumer expectations. They would end up being $50k and up like (nearly) every other EV.
zeezle@reddit
Yeah this is a good point. I was just looking and apparently the BYD Dolphin sells for €34,990 in the EU... (though I'm not sure if that's the MSRP and can be negotiated down) I'm assuming it would sell for a similar price here, so at that point what is the point over a more established brand with established service techs & parts networks like a Subaru or something? Subaru has an EV starting at $35k.
Of course that same point applies to any new brand looking to enter a new regional market, not exclusive to Chinese companies, and many do successfully launch and become popular even without a major price advantage.
Eubank31@reddit
The US government does plenty of subsidizing for the oil/gas and automobile industries as well
HOMES734@reddit
Not in a billion years.
filthysquatch@reddit
I can't trust Chinese tools to work on cars more than twice. I'll be damned if I buy the actual car from them.
Spongedog5@reddit
If it were cheaper and passed our safety inspection, sure.
Though I doubt that our foreign economic policy would ever let it be as cheap as it is there and honestly that is probably the best decision for the market.
Reaganson@reddit
Only if the Dealer offered free debugging services.
heyItsDubbleA@reddit
100% if the cost was right. American car manufacturers need a good shot in the arm letting them know that they are losing this fight and are only being protected because of a bullshit embargo.
Tbc I am not against trade protectionism. I am against it being used to protect already established industries from having to innovate.
AdPrud@reddit
No I would never buy an EV
RogueCoon@reddit
No, an EV isn't feasible for where I'm at and I do not trust Chinese products or support.
cmeyer49er@reddit
I’m not buying a Chinese toaster, let alone a car. You ever purchase something and say “oh, that’s Chinese quality right here. Worth it.”
Tr33Bl00d@reddit
Maybe in a few years when my current car kicks the bucket
bfs102@reddit
No
As im not in the market for a ev
Hybrid would be as far as id go currently
ImFancyAsFuck@reddit
As long as I could find a local mechanic that worked on it.
BAMspek@reddit
No. I don’t want an EV and I don’t want a Chinese car.
NoveltyAccountHater@reddit
I'd consider it based on a few factors:
That said, I sure as shit won't buy a Tesla while Born-into-Apartheid Nazi-Salute Musk still has majority ownership.
I used to try to buy American, but with modern globalization cars from American companies are often largely made of parts manufactured abroad or just assembled primarily by robots, and "foreign cars" are often manufactured at plants in the US.
Individual-Theory307@reddit
No. Actually I will not purchase a U.S. made EV either. The technology is not where it needs to be to support my travel needs. If the technology and support grew to where it did meet my travel needs, I would be hesitant to purchase a Chinese manufactured EV until it was established here and was proven to be well made and reliable. But I am old enough to probably never see this occur.
jeremiah1142@reddit
Yes, if the price was half a Tesla. I’ve ridden in numerous makes and models. They’re solid, especially anything by BYD.
largos7289@reddit
Well i've heard that you can get one that's super basic for like 20k you put it together and it has options. It's not terribly big per say but for 20k and electric i wouldn't mind using it for everyday communing to work. I'm not paying 80k for a tesla that i have to subscribe to and then gets "updates" that take away features and puts them behind pay walls.
SteveMarck@reddit
If one had been available when I was car shopping I would have looked at it for sure. Being Chinese didn't bother me. If be more worried about brand support. If it broke, could I fix it? Would they rent me a car while they shipped the parts?
I got an ioniq 5. I had the dreaded ICCU failure that plagues them. It really want that bad. They rented me a new SUV and I dealt with that while they waited for the part. I paid nothing out of pocket, just time the day it went to turtle mode, and then having to pick up the rental.
If the Chinese company made me feel like they would do that if anything happened, then I wouldn't blink, and but then I'm a heart beat. That's all I really ask. Who has the best vehicle for the price and stands by their product?
Anyone that has made 100s of thousands of EVs is probably trustworthy to buy at this point. I might trust the big Chinese brands more than Chevy or Ford. The American companies didn't want to make EVs. They seem to make them bad on purpose.
briank3387@reddit
We were in Portugal on vacation recently and got an Uber that was a BYD car. Very nice, comfortable interior. We saw a lot of EVs in general there (mainly Teslas). I would not hesitate to buy one if they are ever allowed to sell in the US.
GrimSpirit42@reddit
I'm currently in the market for ANY EV.
Former-Fig-9686@reddit
I wouldn't buy a Chinese anything--cheap fabrication, unreliable.
WashuOtaku@reddit
I'm not against it, but I don't have the facilities at home to operate an EV at this time. It is a bit of an upfront investment to go EV.
Eubank31@reddit
To be fair, unless you drive more than 40-50ish miles per day, a standard 120V outlet is sufficient to charge for most people
xSparkShark@reddit
We are a capitalist nation, if it’s financially prudent I would certainly purchase a Chinese EV. It’s not as if most Americans don’t already own a ton of things that are “Made in China.”
Eubank31@reddit
I would buy a Xiaomi SU7 in an instant
Beginning-Olive-3745@reddit
We need to lose this arrogant attitude. There would be tons of testing and reviews before they hit the road. If they are good at that point, then people can judge. Until then, we are just talking trash. I'm sure they wouldn't hit the US market without extensive parts and repair unlike Tesla.
TimelyToast@reddit
Theoretically, I would consider it; but, realistically more likely not because most Chinese cars are a lot different than ones Americans tend to purchase.
For example, the US has a strong preference for big SUVs and trucks with high mileage. Most US and even many foreign brands have significantly scaled back or completely abandoned sedans in the US market.
Also, people keep on complaining about price on the internet but the average selling car price in the US is $50k. The people wanting dirt cheap tiny sedans on the internet is the ultra minority.
Realistically, contrary to what bots are pushing on the internet, Chinese cars would not be a threat to US automakers in the US at the moment. We are a very different consumer market from South America, Asia, and Europe and Australia. Much more affluent and drive bigger cars.
Chinese automakers would need to significantly rework their lineups for the US market. Tesla is much more aligned with what Americans would drive.
invader000@reddit
No, because I won't buy an electric car. PHEV, yes. Fully EV, no.
Tacoshortage@reddit
Hell no. Chinese products and companies are notorious for poor warranty coverage and letting the buyer swing in the breeze. For an expensive item like that, I want a company I can take to court and get a binding and effective order if there's a problem and a dispute.
Reduak@reddit
No, the infrastructure for EV's primarily charging stations & the ability to charge at home, where I live isn't developed anywhere near enough for me to own & operate an EV regardless of where it's from.
thattogoguy@reddit
No I would not.
papisilla@reddit
If the market was here and mechanics / parts availability wouldn't be an issue I would definitely consider it
ParfaitMajestic5339@reddit
Hell yeah. Test drive vids make them look awesome.
Current_Mongoose_844@reddit
I prefer going car-free, but if I had to buy a car in America that would be it.
rdubmu@reddit
Yes, they make good cars, you act like China is an enemy. I would force them if they want to sell in the US, they have to make them in the US.
Crayshack@reddit
Reliability is a critical feature for me. I simply don't trust a new start up when it comes to reliability. So, I'd only buy a Chinese brand after they've become well established and have demonstrated both build quality and ease of repair. Until then, I'll stick with established brands that have already demonstrated that.
Prize_Consequence568@reddit
?
pianoman81@reddit
Big time yes! The interior quality is so much higher for a lower price. The innovation is insane.
I remember American televisions. The quality slide was quick and soon we no longer made televisions.
America auto industry is going by the wayside in the next decade because we're not keeping up with the times.
flp_ndrox@reddit
No. Eff the CCP.
Astronaut6735@reddit
If I wanted an EV (I don't), I would consider. The Chinese can build good stuff, it's just that most Americans shop for the cheapest price, so companies pay Chinese manufacturers to make things as cheaply as possible.
Piper-Bob@reddit
No. I don’t trust anything from a country where they intentionally put melamine in baby formula for profit. I’ll buy speakers or similar consumer goods from China but nothing that can put a life at risk.
Both_Painter_9186@reddit
How many of these fucking posts are we gonna see?
Answer- fuck no. Not buying a Chinese EV
nicholasktu@reddit
Parts and service would be the biggest reason I'd avoid one.
Mustang46L@reddit
Probably. If they are cheaper and higher quality it would be hard to ignore.
CheerioMissPancake@reddit
The US safety protocols are much more stringent than other countries. If a vehicle isn’t cleared for the US I would never buy it.
passisgullible@reddit
Then again, we let a death wish like the cube truck on the road. So maybe I'll just stick to cars that can also be sold in Europe lmao
PAXICHEN@reddit
The reason the Cybertruck isn’t readily legal in Europe is not what you think. 3 major reasons: its light bar, its weight, and its sharp corners which could scratch a pedestrian.
passisgullible@reddit
And the lack of a crumple zone.
ImGoingToSayOneThing@reddit
Do you realize that China has commercials about donating money to feed people in America?
We aren't as perfect and it's great as you're making it out to see m. The US protocols are also really shady.
CheerioMissPancake@reddit
What are you actually trying to say because it seems like gibberish
Physical-Incident553@reddit
There would have to be a good support network in place. I know someone who bought a Tesla but lived in a small town in the middle of nowhere. There was a collision and the only repair shop the insurance would approve was 4 hours away. Owner was without a car for maybe two months. No thanks.
BankManager69420@reddit
I’m not a fan of most modern vehicles in general, let alone electric vehicles, but I wouldn’t have an issue with the fact that it’s from China specifically
skaliton@reddit
If I was in the market to buy a new car I would buy one that suits my needs.
That need isn't met in the US market. I don't need a big ass suv with hauling capacity. I don't even need a 4 seater. I'm single and a 2 seater with space for suitcases would be all that I'd need. Even 100 mile 'range' would be further than I'd need.
..so yes I would gladly buy a 5k 'micro' vehicle because it is exactly what I'd need/would be practical for me because even compared to a nissan versa (19k) it would be ideal.
my one opposition to it would be concerns because don't trust china, china is asshoe. And it would likely be loaded with ccp spyware
groundhogcow@reddit
If the car is quality and available for me to buy i will buy it no matter who makes it.
I don't need junk, and if I can't buy it it might as well not exist.
Bender_2024@reddit
All things being equal considering the car itself concerning comfort, reliability, can I find someone to service it, etc. The biggest hurdle to clear for me would be are there chargers for it? I don't have the luxury of charging at home. If I did I would have given some serious thought to getting an EV last time I bought a car. Unless there are a good number of chargers for that type of battery not only locally but at least withing the region then no.
Famous_Tumbleweed346@reddit
Yes. I've wanted a good electric vehicle for decades, but couldn't afford it. The BYD cars are very economical. I'd prefer to buy a domestic car but apparently we're backing off electric investment so Chinese EVs are the future.
pudding7@reddit
Get a used 2021 or so Chevy Bolt. I freaking love this little car.
Famous_Tumbleweed346@reddit
I was thinking about it, but since they're discontinuing them, I expect they'll be impossible to service soon. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/first-drive-2027-chevrolet-bolt
BrushYourFeet@reddit
Same. My answer is yes, cuz money.
SapienWoman_@reddit
Yeah. I was just in China a couple of weeks ago and all my Didi’s (similar to Uber or Lyft) were EVs. They were beautiful and a very smooth ride.
DrProfessorSatan@reddit
I’d wait until I’m sure the CEO wasn’t a Nazi. I’ve been burned before.
No_Entertainment1931@reddit
I saw an ad for a standard NA based hybrid the other day advertising 35 mpg. We’ve had that already for 40 years.
So yes, absolutely bring on the e-cars
CloudedLeopardDaemon@reddit
Oh absolutely. I trust the shadiest Chinese car company more than I trust Musky at this point.
Amazing-Artichoke330@reddit
The mere fact that the US is afraid that allowing Chinese cars in would decimate the US car industry suggests that they are far superior. I've watched some videos that show off all their features that tend to confirm that impression.
marklikeadawg@reddit
I wouldn't buy an American EV. Why would I buy a Chinese one?
Wolf482@reddit
I wouldn't buy an EV period so no.
Bungalow_Man@reddit
Never, I prefer not to buy anything from China if alternatives exist, and I'm willing to pay more to avoid it.
Duck_Diddler@reddit
No. EVs are still not there for most consumers. It doesn’t make any financial sense.
I do my best to avoid Chinese products.
10leej@reddit
Depends on repairability.
I don't live within 200 miles of a Tesla dealer, and I don't trust any local dealer to work on such a vehicle since I've had to sue quite a few of them for repair fraud.
Guinnessron@reddit
No because I don’t want an EV
Better_Chicken_5184@reddit
I'm Canadian-American but I live in Norway. I actually almost bought a BYD but ultimately decided against it because I found a better deal on a Toyota. For the price the BYD cars are actually pretty nice, and at least in Norway they're on the hook for major defects for 10 years.
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
I don't want any Chinese computer
BecauseImBatmanFilms@reddit
I ain't buying a thing that expensive or tech filled made by the CCP.
AdAutomatic6654@reddit
Idk if I would right away cuz finances and such. But if I were in need of a new or second car, I’d love to have them as an option. If half of the hype is true it would be an easy yes for me. If the charge times I hear are close to accurate I’d be sold. Biggest downside to US electrics are the time spent charging imo.
Adjective-Noun123456@reddit
I don't want an EV, let alone a Chinese one.
Fearless_Roof_4534@reddit
Yes, because Long Live Chairman Mao
___HeyGFY___@reddit
I'd be afraid that if I turn on the radio, I wouldn't understand the word they were saying. /s
All seriousness aside, i'd be concerned about vehicle safety, availability of parts, how much it would cost to build/install/maintain my home charging station, etc. But if my only two choices were an EV from China or a Tesla, I guess I'm learning to speak Mandarin.
Smart_Engine_3331@reddit
Maybe.
Neverendingwebinar@reddit
I would research a BYD and consider it second year. I also never buy a car on release year. It will have changes made for the US market and I want to be sure it was ready. I also would want some sort of dealer support somewhere.
We are an EV only house because gas cars suck comparatively. BYD is my current most trusted Chinese brand based on my vague impression
flaveous@reddit
We are looking into BYD. Was in Paris recently and saw tons of BYD Sea Lions and Denza Z9GTs everywhere. They are very cool looking from the outside.
TropicaltTanner@reddit
I’ve sat in them and road in them. Byd cars seem very well built and solid.
Multidream@reddit
Yes. If they are going to make quality affordable EVs, and our auto makers wont, then our automakers don’t deserve my money.
Double-Award-4190@reddit
Something like the BYD Dolphin would push poorer people into EV that they want and need.
Nofanta@reddit
No. I’m morally opposed to the CCP.
Libertas_@reddit
No. I prefer to spend my money on German, Japanese, and/or American automakers.
thankyoufriendx3@reddit
Not sure I would trust it wasn’t listening to me.
SideEmbarrassed1611@reddit
I wouldn't buy an American EV. Inconvenient and is worse for the environment from the battery manufacturing alone. Also, they're ugly.
Dear_House5774@reddit
No american union labor only
pizzalarry@reddit
I'm pretty sure the government would collapse before they would let BYD do mass imports, considering how fucking furious our auto industry was to lose out to them on some contracts in Latin America.
chimugukuru@reddit
I live in China. The other day I was biking and an EV behind me crashed into the side rail. Actually I was lucky because if I’d passed by ten seconds later it probably would’ve crashed into me. Anyway, the side rail went through the front like a toothpick through toilet paper. Like it didn’t even dent, just a hole straight through. Didnt seem very well built.
fl0pi3@reddit
Depends on the quality
Creepy-Selection2423@reddit
Right now? No. But I'll never say never. If it was built in the US with US labor, met US safety standards, they figured out the charging in 5 minutes, and there were 10 places to charge it locally? Maybe. If it was a comparatively good deal.
I would still rather buy American, Japanese or South Korean though, all other things being equal.
Dusk_2_Dawn@reddit
Absolutely not.
Reddituser45005@reddit
Absolutely I've been in multiple BYD vehicles in China and Thailand They are well made and well appointed
jewboy916@reddit
Because they are already commonly used in pretty much every major market besides the US. Even countries like Brazil and Mexico that also have strong gas company/automaker lobbies.
If BYD, Geely, Jaecoo, etc. start selling EVs in the US it's game over for Tesla.
Major-Assumption539@reddit
I’m sure they probably do have some good EVs but given how frequently Chinese companies get caught using literal slave labor I wouldn’t be comfortable buying one
Dudeus-Maximus@reddit
That’s the only way I would consider purchasing an EV at this point. American EVs just aren’t there yet.
1PumpkinKiing@reddit
Absolutely not!
I used to sell goods from China, and the "quality control" from companies in that country is so bad I can't even think of a word to describe it.
I would have to test every single shipment before even considering selling a single item. This is because you could be working with the same manufacturer for years, ordering the exact same items, and never received a dangerous product. Then you get a shipment of socks that look and smell fine, but after wearing them for 10 minutes your feed turn red, feel like they are on fire, your heart starts pounding in your ears...
Also, I've seen the videos of their EVs catching fire after a very minor accident, or completely spontaneously, when the doors won't unlock, the windows won't roll down, and what's left of the poor family that was inside.
Also, the charging stations for scooters turning into a room full of flames and toxic smoke in seconds, destroying buildings, and commonly trapping people inside who never make it out...
I'm ok with a bit of danger, it makes life interesting. But I am 💯 not ok with gambling my life away on tech that has been proven to cost people their lives time and time again.
I would rather get into a fist fight with a hungry grizzly bear, instead of risking my life by buying one of those death traps.
If I want an EV, I'll buy from a reputable company, in a country that takes safety and regulations seriously.
CommanderKrieger@reddit
No. My area is not setup to handle more than the handful of EVs we’ve already got. I don’t like how EVs look or feel. Every vehicle I’d prefer to drive is significantly older and that isn’t going to change just because Chinese EVs are being sold in the states.
Background-Passion50@reddit
I’d never buy an EV period. Now if I’m the future the government or companies or both made EV ownership mandatory then naturally I’d own one for work but, would still retain my gas cars that I own as a hobby like my Skyline and Challenger.
LilRickyXO@reddit
Yes. Money.
gaoshan@reddit
I would buy one immediately, so long as there was a nearby service option. I dream about the Xiaomi SU7. Also, I am in China right now (and in one of China’s most tech friendly cities) so I’m surrounded by every flavor of Chinese electric car and they are amazing.
ajfoscu@reddit
Hard no.
maybach320@reddit
I would not, first I’d be worried about what data it’s collecting, second I’m not super interested in EVs.
HarlequinKOTF@reddit
Not unless it was on the market for a while. I'm already hesitant to adopt new tech but coming from a market known for being cheaply made especially.
MsJenX@reddit
At Chinese prices? Yes
kartoffel_engr@reddit
No.
I’ve spent enough time in China to know that those cars aren’t meant to last. Certainly look cool, but they’re “China nice”. Start looking closer and you’ll understand.
Eastern-Heart9486@reddit
I would rather see the US subsidize encourage and support EV use until a certain percentage is achieved which is what China does. Oh that’s right a couple of presidents did set that up then one orange turd came along and tossed it all down the drain
cowgirlbootzie@reddit
Chinese EV tested by robots?
ratchetcoutoure@reddit
If service and spare part are easy, definitely yes.
JadeHarley0@reddit
I might buy a Chinese vehicle but I don't think I would want to drive an EV. I would much prefer a hybrid vehicle
Rezboy209@reddit
As long as it's been tested, has good reviews, and is affordable... For sure.
Accomplished_Mix7827@reddit
Yeah, if it had a good range and decent features.
The older I get, the less I believe the government's scaremongering about China. Oh, you say they're spying on me? Like you've been doing for 25 years? Why should I give a fuck?
mountednoble99@reddit
Yes. Their electric cars are actually of good quality!
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Absolutely not. The Chinese government subsidizes the EV's they build and I do not agree with that, I see that as a direct attack on American and our allied countries abilities to manufacture and sell a car at a fair price.
kjlsdjfskjldelfjls@reddit
Don't the US, EU, Korea, Japan etc subsidize their own auto industries?
Robbbbbbbbb@reddit
The U.S. government also subsidizes the corn industry. In fact, it's the most heavily taxpayer-subsidized agricultural investment for the past 30 years.
40% of corn production is used for ethanol. And 80% of the subsidized funding goes to the top 10% producers.
States also offer a separate incentive for this. For example, MN and SD offer a $0.20/gal incentive for ethanol producers on top of the federal incentives.
So while China is subsidizing EV production, the U.S. is artificially propping up ICE through fuel.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
That's not the same, a bailout and government subsidizes to incentivize lower prices to destroy competition are completely different things.
kjlsdjfskjldelfjls@reddit
Isn't that why we impose tariffs on specific goods? Like if China has a plan to undercut the entire auto market in the US, we can just increase the price back to 50k on their behalf.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Correct and that is why they aren't in the US market, getting China in the US market would basically just be us removing tariffs on Chinese cars
freerondo9@reddit
I can't say I would surely buy one without inspecting it and driving it first, but I would 100% check it out with the intention to buy if it met my standards.
Any-Worldliness-679@reddit
Uh, that's already a thing. My Polestar is Chinese built.
Round-Outcome6491@reddit
I wpuod never buy an EV because I don't like how long it takes to charge. I don't want to have wait around. Filling up on gas takes less than 5 min and I'm in and out
twaggle@reddit
If it sold well, was cool, and had good and plentiful reviews yeah sure.
PNW_Uncle_Iroh@reddit
Aren’t Teslas made in china? People buy a lot of those.
MVS-SISL@reddit
Model 3 owner; my was the 225th of the assembly line - genius car; still awesome today!
I would buy a BYD in a heartbeat; even better, I would buy 2, and sell one for a profit to those that hesitated and waited.
withnocapsorspaces@reddit
100%, hear they’re pretty much better in every way. One of the rare instances where the US has no access to top of the line products.
MaleficentExtent1777@reddit
Yes. I already like the Polestar 4.
GrunchWeefer@reddit
I have a Polestar 2. It was built in China, designed in Sweden.
winteriscoming9099@reddit
I bought a car last week, so no. But I’d probably wait until it has been tested and tested here, and see if it has problems once you add some legit mileage to it
jph200@reddit
No
insertcaffeine@reddit
Maybe in like 20 years when the infrastructure to support them is everywhere, my house’s wiring has been upgraded, and (important!) one is available used for cheap.
im_in_hiding@reddit
Lol no. They're gonna be pulling every ounce of data they can through that car
AmericanCenturion@reddit
Absolutely not. I try to limit the goods that I purchase that are made in China.
AdmirableCriticism69@reddit
Absolutely not. I hate EVs.
sneezhousing@reddit
Right now today I won't buy any EV. They are to expensive. I won't be able to charge at home and I don't want to go sit at a charging station. For Chinese one I'm never a person that buys any electronics first. Phones, tvs game consoles etc. I let it be on the market at least a year and look at reviews / let them get the kinks out
Time-Defiance@reddit
Not where I live in the winter. I don’t even trust Tesla and other EV.
DANGER-RANGER-@reddit
No. I do not like or want an electric car.
PrimaryHighlight5617@reddit
No because consumer protection laws regarding the tech in cars is not robust enough, even in the US, and chinese manufacturers are notorious for letting their government waltz on through consumer data.
r2k398@reddit
Not as my primary vehicle but yes.
TheLeopardMedium@reddit
Yes. I’ve spent enough time in them in Asia that I know I would love one, provided that it has some towing capacity.
december151791@reddit
No. I have no use for an EV and I don't have any confidence in any Chinese made car.
Cubejunky@reddit
I’d consider it.. just like any car manufacturer. If I was car shopping today, and I had access to them, I think I’d say no, but not because they are Chinese or anything, but because I have my heart set on a Cadillac Lyriq.. but if this happens before I made up my mind or when I go to sell the Lyriq (assuming I get one sometime soon), then yeah I would consider it.
PublicMenace95@reddit
Maybe. I’m weary of EVs, with that said I would rather get a BYD or Nio than a Tesla…
CharlestonChewbacca@reddit
Absolutely. BYD and Xiaomi are making some sick cars.
Mysterious_Jello69@reddit
Nah, absolutely no interest in an electric vehicle at this point.
SuperBajaBlast@reddit
Honestly no, what I’d prefer is for the Chevy bolt get cheaper if possible. Or for Lucid, Tesla, and Rivian get organized by the UAW.
SweetOutrageous1275@reddit
Yep. Good cars & should be cheaper
Beginning-Bedroom-89@reddit
Yes but I would change the stock tires IMMEDIATELY
SouthernStyleGamer@reddit
No. There are some things I'll be a bit more loose about, but if I ever buy an EV that isn't a Toyota, then someone stole my identity.
excaligirltoo@reddit
No.
pittpanthers95@reddit
I certainly wouldn’t rule it out
TheTaoThatIsSpoken@reddit
No, because they all fell apart in one Russian winter and had zero parts supply to repair.
And that was for a country they are obstinately allies with and not teaching their grade schoolers to bayonet.
Man_Cheetah67@reddit
No I wanna buy a Skoda cause I like them
BenderSimpsons@reddit
Yes. The reason the car companies lobby against them is because it would be a compelling product at a better price and would get adopted quickly by the market
AshDenver@reddit
No.
I’m old school enough that I prefer things that can be fixed whereas EVs are less “tinker in the garage, follow the manual.”
Also, China-made goods … cheap crap that breaks and is overall garbage.
Euphoric_Loquat_8651@reddit
They're proven globally and typically cheaper when considering equivalent models. I'd be all over it.
PotatoSpirit007@reddit
No, because it is an EV. Until they figure out a better battery storage, it's still going to suck.
ProJoe@reddit
No.
I have enough shit that tracks me and gives a fascist government access to my information.
I dont need another.
ImGoingToSayOneThing@reddit
Out of curiosity, what do you think about the phone that you're using?
IPreferDiamonds@reddit
That phone can always be left at home. I'm old enough that I lived over 30 years without a cell phone. I have no problem leaving it at home.
Ironwarsmith@reddit
Included in the "have enough shit that tracks me already" category of course
ProJoe@reddit
I trust my Samsung phone more than a Chinese made EV
NWYthesearelocalboys@reddit
I was going to reply why not. Most of non Chinese car parts are made in China now and spy on us anyway.
DesperateGanache8210@reddit
100% wish we had NIO
IPreferDiamonds@reddit
No. I'm not a fan of EV.
DragonflyOnFire@reddit
There’s already a Vietnamese automaker selling EVs that can’t get enough momentum in the American market. If you’re not established or breaking ground on new innovations or have a huge marketing budget, you’re not going to make it as an automaker in the American market.
Neat_Cat1234@reddit
It’s because the range sucks. We stopped by a Vinfast dealership for fun when they opened up in our area and the associate kept trying to make it sound like a good option if we need a *short distance* commuter car. There are better Chinese ones already out there.
BrandonLynx@reddit
While I have no interest in buying an EV as in car or truck from any country, I do own an e-trike that was made in China. Most e-bikes and e-trikes are made in China or with Chinese components. They are hit or miss in quality but as long as it's a reputable company that's been around for several years and is UL certified in the US I have no problem with them. I guess I'd feel the same about an electric car or truck. If they sold it in the US long enough to establish a good reputation for quality and service and were competitively priced I don't see any problem with it.
CriticalSuit1336@reddit
I would consider it, but I'd probably wait for the beta version.
Leverkaas2516@reddit
I might, but I'd be just as likely to buy a Bolt or a used Model 3. All have their strengths and shortcomings. Price is not the only factor.
G00dSh0tJans0n@reddit
No, it is probably as bad as that Vinfast car which was the worst reviewed car ever released. Plus, we drive a ton of miles in the US. I need a vehicle that can last 300,000 miles. Those cheap Chinese junk probably won't last 30,000 miles at most.
bigedthebad@reddit
No.
EV doesn’t have the range I need and charging stations are still too scarce in rural areas
pacododo@reddit
No.
Adorable_Dust3799@reddit
Apparently the biggest issue so far is charging and repairs networks. Fox that and yes
FrostyVariation9798@reddit
I've seen the lack of even medium term support for so many chinese products over the years that there is no way I would pay good money for a chinese vehicle.
Now, if the equivalent of a tesla model s - doesn't have to be anywhere near as fast but does have to have the room - was in the $20,000 range then, yes, as a disposable vehicle, I would consider it.
But that's all they should be considered - disposable after four or five years with zero resale value. As long as people are okay with that, fine. I just don't want to be hearing about consumer protection lawsuits and such when they shoukd know what they are getting into.
OldChairmanMiao@reddit
Probably. If BYD brings their "we drive, we pay" liability coverage over.
GorgeousBog@reddit
Nah I don’t really want an EV
pickledplumber@reddit
I wouldn't buy an EV. So no
Which-Service-5146@reddit
If it could be proven safe, reliable, and free from CCCP spyware and ability to control, sure.
monsterofwar1977@reddit
No. At least not for a few years. Nothing against electric, in principle, but where I vacation there's no chargingn and limited charging on the last part of the trip. Closest fast charger is over an hour away and power lines end 8 miles from my cabin. For around town? Wouldn't consider a Chinese one until I've seen it's reliability. Honestly I've considered just electrifying an old S10.
Dave_A480@reddit
I would have to be convinced that (a) there was no risk of battery fire, (b) the car required zero subscriptions, and (c) that any and all tech features (self driving/driver assistance) were fully self contained such that future conflict between the US and China would not result in server access being blocked and parts of my car being bricked.
Adventurous-Depth984@reddit
Like everything else, it depends on pride
VeteranYoungGuy@reddit
No. Chinese made goods are trash and fuck the CCP.
StrongStyleDragon@reddit
It would be cool to see on the road but I’m not an EV person. I’m a novice car guy and it just doesn’t sit right with me. I have seen videos about them and they have some cool things but not for me.
Remote_Ocelot9600@reddit
No. Because I don't trust the Chinese government. I don't trust the American either. I just know our government has more safeguards.
Shaddolf@reddit
This question should be “if you would buy an EV, would you consider”
The replies from people who wouldn’t even consider buying an EV are pointless replies.
Key-Candle8141@reddit
No
I dont want a EV
NeptuneHigh09er@reddit
Yes. I’m very interested in CATL’s development of the sodium-ion battery. It would be great to have an alternative to the lithium batteries on most EVs.
rogun64@reddit
Yes, because free markets shouldn't just be about more freedom for manufacturing. It should also be about freedom for consumers. China makes great EVe for low prices and I guarantee you that many here who are saying "no" would buy one.
Whether you agree with the tariffs on Chinese EVs or not, Americans are losing out for not having the option to buy quality Chinese EVs at low prices. Whether it's an EV or an ICE vehicle, many, if not most, of the parts are made in China, anyway.
Neat_Cat1234@reddit
I wouldn’t mind. I’ve ridden in them before while abroad and they were nice. My area has really good EV infrastructure so adoption wouldn’t be hard, and it would be nice to see some more competition. Majority of the cars on the road in my area right now are Teslas.
No_Salad_8766@reddit
Wtf is a Chinese EV?
CaramelMacchiatoPlzz@reddit
Electric vehicle.
CaramelMacchiatoPlzz@reddit
If my only choices were American EVs and Chinese, I would buy Chinese.
I am trying to stick with my 90s civic for as long as possib.e
Latter_Praline2150@reddit
That depends, how frequently will it ask me about launch codes?
hawkeyes007@reddit
No. They are disposable vehicles built with slave labor. Get me something quality that pays workers livable wages
ImGoingToSayOneThing@reddit
Do you want a pair of Nikes or maybe clothes from H&M or maybe you drink coffee?
hawkeyes007@reddit
Why’s it crazy to you to avoid products actively using slave labor? Get a grip you bot
angrysquirrel777@reddit
No, there are plenty of brands from countries that I would prefer to support.
WhoWouldCareToAsk@reddit
Not until they have a proven service record. I mean, if I hear that someone had a dead battery in under 1 year and manufacturer refused to fix it, then why would I buy it?
I need something that’s comparable to Toyota device and quality. I would even pay Toyota prices for Toyota quality. Wait, for that there is Toyota…
claudiatiedemann@reddit
When possible, I don’t buy things made in China. Sometimes it’s difficult to find alternatives but with cars that wouldn’t be an issue.
OnMyWhey11@reddit
Yes, American car manufacturers are only interested in making large trucks and SUV in the name of profits, it’s clear they don’t want to serve the affordable smaller car market.
Designer_Professor_4@reddit
There's no infrastructure for Chinese EVs and considering how heavily subsidized they are in China, I rather doubt they're going to actual pay the full bill to roll out out here.
An EV without fast recharge stations is a an expensive brick outside 100 miles
Shiny_Mew76@reddit
No, not supporting communist produced vehicles. I want a V8 or I6 in my car, turbocharged and slammed to the ground.
xmetalheadx666x@reddit
No because I don't like EVs and personally want to stay with ICE cars until I die.
Coldfyre_Dusty@reddit
If it wasn't too expensive and had enough dealerships around to handle repairs, sure, why not? But not for a few years, wait a few to make sure its actually a quality product year after year before I would invest in one.
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess-@reddit
I don’t know if they’re actually good cars or not, but I saw some modernized classic style cars being shown off from China. If they’re of good quality I would buy one of those in a heartbeat.
madogvelkor@reddit
Only if it was built in the US.
Oceanbreeze871@reddit
Absolutely. It’s years more advanced than any of the junk we make here, has high end features as default and higher build quality.
They won’t let them in because they know they can’t compete.
otterland@reddit
If it was imported and distributed by an existing company, why not? The Chinese build some nice cars.
john_hascall@reddit
Yes. I would buy a BYD the moment it was available here. Full Disclosure: I own (for me) quite a lot of shares of BYD
MoistTomatoSandwich@reddit
Hell naw. I've seen the build quality BYD has and they can be death traps. Even if they follow US safety standards and regulations I wouldn't trust anything from China that can spy on me.
pinniped90@reddit
I'd maybe consider it after they had been in market for 5 years and had a built out dealer and parts network. And that's assuming they've met all safety standards and have a track record of performing well for those 5 years.
I have a hybrid now. I'm not in a huge hurry for an EV but I imagine effectively I'll get one.
herblady99@reddit
I'd buy a German
sessamekesh@reddit
Maybe maybe not, I don't know nearly enough about them.
Generally I don't believe claims made about the price/range/performance of the EVs wholesale, since China in general is pretty nationalistic and loves to... Exaggerate in any way that makes them look good.
That all said, most of our EV options in the States are excellent but also VERY expensive. Competition is the driver of innovation and bread and butter of capitalism. IF the vehicles meet our safety standards and the sale of them follows our consumer productions (lemon laws etc.) I'd love to have them in our market.
That all said, my favorite EV brand is American (Lucid) and I have seen nothing even remotely indicative of a Chinese brand being better for what I want (range, quality, luxury).
360FlipKicks@reddit
yes i would. american car prices are insane right now
NoCollege1718@reddit
No, the charging infrastructure structure isn’t good enough, I can refuel in five minutes, I’m not delaying a road trip for the amount of time it would take to charge
evil66gurl@reddit
Yes https://youtu.be/z5n4t1IsHew?si=nAS8Z05fgP5milBc
Brilliant_Dig_8962@reddit
All these answers go some way to explain why US manufacturers are sticking with fossil fuels. They know their market.
JohnHenryMillerTime@reddit
No. I do a lot of car partying with street walkers and BYD cars are much too small for that.
No-Fix-614@reddit
If it’s cheaper, reliable, and actually passes safety standards, most people will buy it, but a lot will still hesitate over data/privacy and geopolitical stuff, not just the car itself.
link2edition@reddit
No, I try to avoid chinese goods.
That already isnt easy.
jackofspades49@reddit
You think I have car buying money? I have a 2004 Toyota Rav 4 that I bought off my grandpa at a steep discount upgraded himself to a new truck.
junkyardvarren@reddit
Yes, they’re actually Pretty well made and they’ve surpassed us on EV architecture and infrastructure. I th ink a lot of people are stuck on the China of the 90s. It’s not like that anymore
ShelbiStone@reddit
Could I expect the same level of quality that I get from my other Chinese goods that occasionally last a full year?
melodyangel113@reddit
I have no interest in owning an EV at all tbh
Necro138@reddit
Sure. Can't be any worse than Stellantis.
hollylettuce@reddit
Sure, if I was looking to buy and I liked it.
Deolater@reddit
Solid maybe
Mr_Noms@reddit
Yeah I don’t care where it’s made.
Tomj_Oad@reddit
I just bought an Ebike; even the quality ones are made in China.
So that's an EV.
Because gas hit 5.20 and Velotric checked all the quality boxes at a decent price
BlackEagle0013@reddit
No, but I wouldn't buy an American EV either, or any EV for that matter.
PaRuSkLu@reddit
No.
bobcatt@reddit
no
champ11228@reddit
Maybe
Redbubble89@reddit
No.
Already have a hybrid as EVs don't work with my living situation. Also just against Chinese tech coming to the US.
GIRose@reddit
If I drove, sure. But I can already barely get by while riding a bike, so that life isn't for me.
stedmangraham@reddit
yes
itsbob20628@reddit
Most here in the US are Chinese EVs to some extent.
revengeappendage@reddit
No. Not interested in any EVs.
Well not to pay for. I’d take a free one lol
Rishik01@reddit
No but it’s just cause I generally don’t like the look of EVs
FunTricky903@reddit
Nah, I already have a car.