The 2026 Honda Civic Type R Is the Best-Driving Car Under $100,000: Review (Cars.com)
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From the review - “The Type R is far from the fastest car under $100K. It’s neither the best sounding nor the best looking, and some of its interior trim doesn’t quite match up to the nearly $50K you’ll pay for the privilege of ownership. Like all of history’s greatest cars, the Type R is more than the sum of its parts, presenting an unbelievable balance of tactility, feedback, confidence, performance, raw capability and fun that’s unlike anything else I’ve driven with a warranty.”
3rd_Nismo@reddit
Miatas are the most fun, GRC is a close second in terms of fun. Focus RS is dope too but discontinued and overpriced on used market. Honorable mention GR86 w/ supercharger.
Hour-Pie-6447@reddit
Nah. 2026 audi rs3, especially in places that get snow half the year.
Astramael@reddit
Despite what the author claims, I’ve driven this car and I’m taking an M2 every single time and twice on weekends.
If my goal was fun per dollar, it would be Elantra N, which is both more fun than a CTR and also much cheaper.
In the other hand this author rates the ride at 6/10, but it’s definitely better than that.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
I own both. CTR is better
theDartVader@reddit
Bro, Miata is better, I see you own it too)
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Miata really is the king
nagyvaf@reddit
As someone with a 2019 nd rf that is cross shopping the ctr and grc you have a killer garage that I dream of.
Phazushift@reddit
Id take the CTR, if AWD is a dealbreaker than id still take a MK8 Golf R over the GRC.
nagyvaf@reddit
No manual on the Golf R is a deal breaker for me.
tacjos@reddit
Go back like 1 or 2 generations....the one with actual buttons is the better interior IMO the touch puttons suck on the modern golfs
willpc14@reddit
If you're looking to spend the Type R's MSRP, the Golf R is probably the logical choice, but I think the GRC is more fun and costs significantly less than the Golf R.
Phazushift@reddit
Golf Rs pretty cheap here in Canada.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Thanks! It’s a fun balance of everything without being a crazy expensive garage. The nd2 is the most fun, although it’s got a ton of mods for track use. I’m never getting rid of it lol
nagyvaf@reddit
That's exactly my plan after I get the next car. I just upgraded to 215 tires which I'm enjoying more now both visually and performance/grip.
The GRC moving production to the UK has me more interested in the Type R, but the new Toyota 2.0 Turbo motor also seems pretty interesting to wait for. Have you had any issues with your Type R?
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Not a single issue with the CTR. It’s seen a couple track days. Pretty stock besides high volume intake and engine mount. It’s overall a very nice companion with the nd2. I personally just loved the looks so I went with it over the grc but the grc is really great too
pioneer9k@reddit
skip the ND for these two or nah?
nagyvaf@reddit
I'm keeping my nd forever, or at least until I get hit by a lifted truck.
ctruvu@reddit
and then hopefully the new gen is out already
nagyvaf@reddit
I don't have a lot of confidence in the new generation. I hope to be proven wrong.
Hornycloudlover@reddit
You own a 2020 M2, that’s not even the same chassis as the new ones, idiot.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
I’ve driven the g87 extensively on road and on track. It’s a fat pig that provides no steering feedback
StrongOnline007@reddit
I owned both and for me the EN was more fun more of the time. Type R more impressive and faster on track or at 8/10+
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
The N is seriously such an amazing car. It’s clear they prioritized having a car that’s just straight fun to drive over sheer numbers and it was a great approach. Driven many other cars in the segment and nothing really compares in terms of sheer enjoyment. The thing also handles like it’s on rails, a seriously impressive car for the money. (obviously biased, but I picked the car for a reason)
Halofieldfan@reddit
I mean it’s hard to say that the CTR isn’t better because it simply is better than the N but it comes down to the buyer if it’s worth the price jump. To me it’s not buy my N was used at $28k vs a new CTR at 46-47 or a used even at 37-38 for a FK8.
Astramael@reddit
Hard disagree.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Lmao sure. They’re both in the garage but I’ll take your word for it based on a test drive you did 😂
cannedrex2406@reddit
You could be the test engineer for both cars, and their opinion is still valid
As in the end, it's still an opinion? It's fine to disagree with people, yk that right?
When_hop@reddit
He's a grolla driver. Nuff said.
jondes99@reddit
Right, why pay $50K for a Civic when you can pay that for a Corolla. /s
Astramael@reddit
You can prefer other things than me. That’s fine. Just like the author of this article clearly prefers other things.
xamdou@reddit
Personally, I'd pay the premium for the Type R over the EN.
The seats and hatch are worth the extra cost, alone, to me.
willpc14@reddit
Yeah, but you can also do a lot to improve the EN with $12k in hand.
Training-Context-69@reddit
Although when you factor in the crazy depreciation that you’ll get with an EN. It probably helps evens out the extra spent on the CTR. You can put 10-15k miles on a CTR and basically sell for like 2k less than new. An Elantra N or Golf R would lose about 10k. Unless you pay a markup on one, then you’re just a sucker as any amount paid over MSRP pretty much vanishes in the event of a trade in or a total loss.
PeterHardwareSwap@reddit
This is a low financial literacy take
Are you also factoring in the opportunity cost due to their price difference?
What happens when you actually invest the price difference or use the price difference to pay off a high interest loan? The long term finances skew exceptionally hard in the Elantra N's favor.
Not to mention the depreciation isn't nearly close to being realistic. I see 2023 N's with much higher mileage going for 26-27k.
Training-Context-69@reddit
Most of the demographic buying these cars (young guys below 35) don’t have an extra 12k laying around to invest though. Most are buying these cars on 5-6 year loans at like 8% interest. I definitely understand your premise but you’re describing a very very small group of buyers. But I do agree that if you don’t factor in depreciation, reliability, or potentially modding the vehicle the EN is definitely the cheaper car to own for sure. 50k loan on the civic at 8% > 38k loan at 8% on the Elantra.
PeterHardwareSwap@reddit
Interest rate doesn't change the argument imo. Instead of making money in stocks you're bleeding 8% of it a year
If both are being financed, one costs significantly more, you're stacking the difference at 8% per year.
12k price difference is also very generous assuming pure msrp which is still hard to come by today. A more realistic number at 15-20k difference is huge.
A 15k difference, 8% of that a year = 1.2k on interest. Do that for a few years and it adds up quick. Again, not to mention the opportunity cost where your money could have been in an appreciating asset.
Reliability isn't a good point considering these cars come with a 10 year 100k warranty. The N's have proven to be quite reliable. It doesn't need to even be as reliable as the Honda when repairs and even your rental car are covered for the next 10 years.
Parts in my experience have been much cheaper on the N. You can get new OEM pads from genracer for dirt cheap for example. There's much less of a type r royalty tax.
I'm just saying pointing out depreciation isn't a sensible argument for two cars that cost significantly different. Now if they cost similarly yes it's a strong argument. But with a 15k price difference, the argument heavily swings in the favour of the much cheaper car
It just bothers me when people who struggle with math use depreciation as some crutch to justify the financial aspect in the long run. If we want to do a realistic comparison it doesn't come close. A cheaper car + investing the price difference will always come out ahead. Your hoping one asset doesn't depreciate quickly meanwhile the other choice will compound over time.
I do agree most people finance the fuck out of their car. But "depreciation" or resale value imo is a poor argument in this case. Just because people in practice don't act financial smart doesn't mean that they shouldn't or that theyre not giving up the opportunity. S&p500 has been on a tear the last decade. Every dollar in a locked slowly depreciating asset is bleeding money.
willpc14@reddit
Fair points. I think all the cars in the segment have a compelling reasons to buy them, it's just a question of which car does one's needs/wants align with best. I certainly wouldn't spend a cent over MSPR for any of them though and anyone that does is a bit dense.
Training-Context-69@reddit
Agreed 100%
xamdou@reddit
But you can't give it a hatchback.
That's a huge bonus to livability.
For a compromised design for a performance car (ie: fwd), the practicality of the car should be maximized.
dang_it_bobby93@reddit
I've said it before and I'll say it again the CTR is better than the EN on pretty much every front but it's not 12k better. You get 90% the car for 12k less. For me personally I couldn't justify the price difference the CTR is cool but it's just too close in price at the time I was buying to a new V8 Camaro. Plus they were marked up by 10k or more. Cool car but your definitely paying the Honda tax.
HubbaMaBubba@reddit
It's like 13k price difference here. The Golf R and Elantra N are really the only cars I see from this segment here.
uberdosage@reddit
More than that here in the US at this point
HubbaMaBubba@reddit
Honestly they probably don't even allocate any to Canada, I think I've seen more Type Ss than FL5 Type Rs. The FK8 used to be pretty common though.
uberdosage@reddit
Canada always get barely any allocations for "limited" products
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
Not just the seats but the MT and the reliability of the engine is worth it. Its just an all around better car.
uberdosage@reddit
Yes, because realistically it is 15k more
xamdou@reddit
And worth every penny.
It'll hold the value of each penny far better than an EN ever will.
uberdosage@reddit
That much is very true, but used elantra Nissan are a great deal though if you plan on keeping it for a while
Astramael@reddit
Yea fair enough. Not unreasonable at all.
Main_Hornet8676@reddit
There's something about the CTR that just doesn't gel with me.
Like on paper it sounds great but I just feel so goddamn bored driving it every time.
gothiicserpent@reddit
Someone i know sold their FL5 after a year and it was the shortest time they've owned any of their sports cars. The clinical and refined description is how I feel about non gt Caymans and makes me slightly hesitant to commit to jumping into one. I really liked driving them but something about the experience doesnt fully stick. Maybe too capable and refined and makes me feel like I'm not doing much. I'm still 80-90% leaning towards a 981 but the other top contender is an E36 M3 which is a completely different experience. At this point it's probably a matter of which right car comes up first
Penuwana@reddit
Same here.
Ironically, I just drove a Hyundai Grand i10 on a vacation... and found it way more fun. Even with zero power, it was like a go-kart. Slow car fast, kind of thing.
My S2000 is also more fun than the Type R, too.
The CTR is just so capable it's like it's muted, in a way. There's no way to drive it near where it's happy on a public road.. After 2 years I have no idea what it's limits are, other than that they are very high.
gt4rs@reddit
I have an FK8 an definitely hear you on that. Not quite to the point of feeling bored but there is a feeling that it's too capable to have fun on the road, and it handles everything without issue. I have a GR86 rental in a few weeks so looking forward to see how that compares
Astramael@reddit
I like the FL5, I think it’s a cool car. I’ve never had a bad time driving one. I think it has too much tire. I do think it’s a bit clinical, and I prefer the worse but goofier feel of the EN.
There hasn’t been nearly as much development put into performance FWD as there has into performance RWD. A lot of people dislike it because it’s FWD, but I don’t mind, kind of neat that Honda is putting development time in to the format.
I just don’t think it as good to drive as much more expensive, powerful, dedicated cars. Doesn’t seem like an especially controversial thing to say but here we are.
europeanperson@reddit
Elantra N is more fun than CTR???
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
In terms of the exhaust note? Yes. Otherwise it's pretty damn close to the same levels of fun and driving experience. CTR has a better 6spd, but the N is still an amazing value per dollar. Loved my time in a CTR, but they cheap out way too much for a nearly $50k car.
imped4now@reddit
The interior looks great, but the actual assembly quality is trash. It's a very buzzy, rattly place to be. Get used to hunting and addressing annoying noises.
xinxs@reddit
He said per dollar
atomictyler@reddit
xinxs@reddit
U right
SickAndTiredOf2021@reddit
He also said outright
Jiggatortoise-@reddit
Almost all the reviews I’ve seen have mentioned how the CTR is quicker on the track but that the Elantra N or Veloster N are more fun to drive just anywhere.
nefrina@reddit
i'm still sad i was too late to the game to snag a VN new on the lot. there are very few used for sale and many have been molested with mods. easily one of the most entertaining/fun cars i've ever driven--and i enjoyed both the 6spd and dct equally.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
A lot of reviewers claim it is a lot less serious of a car, and so a little more fun.
willpc14@reddit
I've also heard that it's a set of tires away from being with in a tenth or two of the Type R's lap times as well.
arcticrobot@reddit
Its not, they are full of it. It is just cool and edgy to criticize something good.
Astramael@reddit
I certainly think so. It’s definitely slower and less nice in general. But capability doesn’t necessarily equate to fun.
rugbyfiend@reddit
I own both a G87 and FL5. Different cars for different occasions. The G87 is faster and obviously RWD fun. The FL5 has better feedback and cornering feel, better than anything else sub GT3 that I have driven. I like to track both on different occasions.
Standard-Juice-3738@reddit
The ride is terrible on bumpy roads. Have to get the ITS module
willpc14@reddit
You must really like Toyota engines based on you're flair lol
Standard-Juice-3738@reddit
Haha it just happened this way. Was always a Honda guy tbh, but they stopped making high revving engines ☹️
I am looking for an AP1 S2000 though lol
spike021@reddit
interesting because a lot of people hate the ride on the GRC so i would've figured you'd not like that either based on that comment.
Standard-Juice-3738@reddit
Mine rides great, not nearly as bouncy and stiff as the CTR was
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
Tbf many of them still had their shipping blocks in lol. Even I'm not 100% convinced that my dealership took them off when it came off the truck.
withsexyresults@reddit
Had m3 before but I wouldn’t pick bmws as drivers car cuz of their dead steering and rubbery manuals
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Would you rather have two type Rs or 1 carbon fiber package M2?
Astramael@reddit
I can’t drive two cars at the same time, so I’ll take the M2
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Nah, I’d keep 1 type r in the closet on ice.
HubbaMaBubba@reddit
Why do you have a Supra you could have a bought a civic
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Supra is one 1.5 civics. It’s double or nothin’
cheebamasta@reddit
Triples make it safe. Triples is best.
Astramael@reddit
Lol fair enough.
mauijosh_87@reddit
So I’ve driven almost all the cars in that article and I agree with the author. The sense of feedback the type r offers in regards to all the inputs that matter are incredible. I actually daily drove an m3 xdrive for 3 years before my fl5 and even if the cars were the exact same cost, I’d choose the type r for a fun weekend drive every single time. The fact that I pocketed 40k to “downgrade” into the type r was just the cherry on top. The only better driving cars I’ve found are 911s and Amg gts (not the new gen). Even the c7 zo6 wasn’t as fun on backroads.
lazarus870@reddit
Was the C7 less fun due to having too much power to use?
KiddBwe@reddit
By extension, shouldn't the Integra Type S be the car with the title? Slightly more performance than the Type R, better interior, better ride, way better sound system, better looking (imo), etc.? Also, it doesn't get marked up like the Type R.
While the Type R and Type S arent the fastest cars on the road, its really easy to get them to G80 power to weight ratio with a Hondata and a tune, so that can easily make up for the lack of power while still being a lot less than that level of car. The main thing holding back these cars is them being FWD, as you can easily get a better power to weight ratio than a M3, but you will never be able to put all that power down.
chadwicke619@reddit
It doesn’t have slightly more performance though. It has 5 more HP, but it’s both heavier and softer, so it puts up inferior times. The sound system is also not “way better”. With the ITS dampening module, which is like a $300 part, you can have the exact same ride in your CTR. The seats alone are a reason to get the CTR over the ITS.
If you can get both cars for MSRP and performance is your main concern, it’s not even close.
KiddBwe@reddit
Having heard both systems, the ITS's sound system is way better. The ITS is also faster in a straight line (the difference is more than 5hp when you dyno them). ITS exhaust also just sounds way better stock.
If I could get both cars for MSRP, my personal preference is ITS, but its really up to buyer preference.
chadwicke619@reddit
I mean, as anyone who owns these cars can attest, nobody is getting them for straight line speed, and the ITS put up a worse LL time at VIR - by a lot, even (6-7 seconds). It couldn’t even beat the outgoing FK8. Having also heard both systems, I think the ITS system beats the Bose, but not even remotely night and day. I agree that the exhaust is better sounding, but I guess it all depends on how you value your money. The difference in MSRP is $6K and I can get a stereo and an exhaust for way less than $6K, not to mention the CTR seats are light years better - the CTR seats are some of the best seats in any car ever. The CTR also gets exclusive track focused software perks you can’t get in the ITS, including shifter lights above the gauge cluster.
Anyway, I’m not saying the ITS isn’t a great car - it is a great car, no question. It’s not the more performant of the two, though, and if you’re willing to put in the effort, now that MSRPs have settled, you can have a CTR with everything an ITS has, but for less. Zygrene, a popular YouTuber who bought an ITS, even made a video on this exact topic and made the exact conclusion.
I still think there are reasons someone might want an ITS, like dislike for aero, preference for the styling, more upscale feel, but if straight up driving experience is the number one concern, you take the CTR all day.
KiddBwe@reddit
Oh yeah, driving experience would have to go to the CTR. For me, majority of my decision came from liking the ITS styling more, the sound system, and softer ride for my wife.
TheArchist@reddit
the only problem i have with the type r is how i find it immensely jerky at anything below 8/10s of its capability. bmw m2/3 are nothing like this and miata is silky smooth while also having better driving feedback imo. everyone in here is saying blackwings but i think ct5v is way better than ct4v.
if i had 100k to spend on a car just for driving reasons, new it's gotta be a blackwing or m2. used has too many competitors for me to figure out
Tony-cums@reddit
Hype R is front wheel drive. It’s not fun to drive. I had one. It’s a joke for traction. 99% of owners aren’t gonna race them on a road course - myself included. Not wrecking it and having insurance laugh at me.
withsexyresults@reddit
Why blame the car for not being fun if you’re not going to bother bringing it to the track. Of course it’s boring af doing normal commute drives
Tony-cums@reddit
Front wheel drive is never fun. Track or not.
withsexyresults@reddit
But how would you know if you haven’t taken it to the track. Gotta take it out for those experiences to know. I would have the same conclusions if all I did was commute in it
Tony-cums@reddit
Oh. You own one. I get it.
I tracked my integra type r. Probably way more capable and won’t heatsoak like a turbo ctr. So there’s that.
withsexyresults@reddit
Yup and still fun. Should’ve put yours on the track too although I’d agree NA 8k would’ve been more fun
Tony-cums@reddit
It would heatsoak after a few laps. If that. RWD. Manual. V8. And I’ve driven them all - awd, fwd, rwd. It’s not really close.
withsexyresults@reddit
What track, pace and temps are you where it’s heat soaking after couple laps?
Only ran into heat soak issues on days of 100F. Most days are 60-70
Tony-cums@reddit
After a few pulls, that ecu will pull timing and reduce performance.
withsexyresults@reddit
Outside of really hot track days, don’t really see it pull performance. My mph after long straights dont change much. Which track are you on that you see it pull timing
Tony-cums@reddit
Jesus. It’s well known. Your butt dyno doesn’t feel it. It happens. Google it.
withsexyresults@reddit
Just saying for the folks who don’t have advance group pace and aren’t in hot areas, this is not a huge concern. Took mine out to lots of sessions, 4 different tracks but only really see this being an issue on 100F days
Tony-cums@reddit
You just don’t know what you’re talking about. A few pulls and it’s heat soaked. Sorry to crush you.
Tony-cums@reddit
Tell Chadwick it’s integra type r like I said. Open a book.
chadwicke619@reddit
Bro, you’re the one who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and you’re embarrassing yourself. Yes, like pretty much all turbocharged cars, heat soak can be an issue if you’re running 10/10 on a hot day for lap after lap after lap, on a short, technical track with no good straights to adequately cool the car, in a car that is probably tuned. However, like anyone who actually has track experience with the platform knows, you can easily track the car all day without ever limping, and without babying it. And this is in my FK8, which has significantly worse cooling than the FL5.
“A few pulls and it’s heat soaked”. LOL. Clueless.
Tony-cums@reddit
Hype Rrrrrrrr
chadwicke619@reddit
This whole thread is wild. Bro apparently owned an ITS that he definitely tracked, right before he traded it for a Durango Hellcat with an automatic that he thinks is “paying to play”. 😂
We definitely believe you bro. Definitely. 😉
withsexyresults@reddit
Haha not crushed. Talking about my first hand experiences, sounds like you’re the one talking out the ass. These things aren’t even that expensive, should’ve took yours out to the track instead of worrying about wrecking
Tony-cums@reddit
It’s gone. I got rid of it. Hellcat Durango now.
It heat soaks. Do you have any data to back up your claims? You don’t.
withsexyresults@reddit
Dang that sucks hopefully you can get back into a fun car soon. I can just look at my telemetry
Tony-cums@reddit
Right. Durango is more fun in every way except it’s not a stick. The whine and 700 hp makes up for a lot.
Pay to play.
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rugbyfiend@reddit
If you owned one you know that's a bunch of bs, of course it is fun to drive. If you can only derive fun from drifting, then no it's not fun.
Tony-cums@reddit
I don’t drift. Front wheel drive is never fun. It’s acceptable but not fun. Expose yourself to better platforms and come back.
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
Hype R lmao. Gonna start using that. Saying it’s not fun to drive is crazy though, what didn’t you like? (I’ve never driven one for the record)
Tony-cums@reddit
Front wheel drive. It’s not fun.
Hype r is back from the integra type r days.
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
What’s a more fun car to drive for the same price point?
Tony-cums@reddit
They’re listed throughout this thread. Any rwd car is gonna be light years more fun.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
CT4V Blackwing certainly is a better driving car <$100k...
Magneride suspension, Tremec 6 speed manual, really good steering feel, RWD, etc.
equitymans@reddit
Manual deff not on par, and that's crazy considering Honda isn't even direct link haha they are goated at the stick brother
ChuckFinley_is4Ever@reddit
Wait. Have you driven both the FL5 and BW? Asking because you seem very confident that it’s not on par, but your other comment states it’s based on what reviewers have said.
equitymans@reddit
Did you read my follow up? Lol find a single media person saying it's not the best manual on sale rn haha I can send 5 back from people who benchmark.
Can we even find any single person from media publicly saying this about the caddy? Haha
PlanetNoob@reddit
Those BW TR6060's are the same ones found in the performance monsters that are Vipers (gen 2 and 3), Corvettes (C6), Camaro ZL1's, Mustang GT500's, and more...
They're universally praised in each of those applications
equitymans@reddit
They are said to be good sticks yes.... as I said, but I've never ever heard it talked about as one of the best manuals on sale at ANY point lol
ChuckFinley_is4Ever@reddit
You’re the prelude fanboy that can’t stop typing haha and lol every 3 words. Have a nice rest of your day
equitymans@reddit
Ahh yes. The prelude fanboy 😂
I have an s2000. I could care less what gearbox among either of these feel like my brother haha
Run to personal statements to hide from engineering reality :)
Road_of_Hope@reddit
Definitely disagree on that one. Owned a type R for 3 years, now have owned a CT4-V Blackwing for 2, the shifters are both incredibly good. I don’t miss the type R’s 2nd gear grind, and yet the BW likes to kick out of 1st rather than engaging every once in a while. Both gave their quirks, but to say it’s not on par is pretty bold.
equitymans@reddit
Yea I think everything has those little quirks kinda in their own way. But that's fair maybe it's on par; I've just heard type r called best manual feel on sale by the media lot like everyday driver, zygrene, etc but this is obv just off the cuff comments on podcasts etc haha
HotWifeLore@reddit
I was actually in the market for a Civic Type R. Got a Camaro SS 1LE instead. I have no regrets. What ab amazing platform. My only problem, I rarely drive the car as I want to preserve it as long as I can.
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
Yeah man, be that guy who keeps his Camaro SS (not even a fucking ZL1 or Z28) in the garage for "preservation".
This car isn't going to appreciate in your lifetime. It's a car, it costs you money to own it, miles are cheap.
HotWifeLore@reddit
You 1000% misunderstood what I said. I’m not preserving it for it to appreciate you retard. Some people want their cars looking like they did when they were new at 20 years old and of look like trash, as I’m sure you do.
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AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
If you can't drive a car without trashing it, that's on you.
munche@reddit
The person who enjoys it in 10 years will appreciate your financial sacrifice of not enjoying the thing
-GenlyAI-@reddit
Why would they sell it in 10 years? I'm not selling mine ever.
xtrapped-under-ricex@reddit
I drive the shit outta my Firebird and it's almost 60 years old. Drive your car, you won't regret it.
-GenlyAI-@reddit
I do drive it. Did you respond to the wrong person?
xtrapped-under-ricex@reddit
Yeah you're right, I didn't read usernames and meant to reply to the dude who said he rarely drives his Camaro.
RunnerLuke357@reddit
Yeah I never get this mentality of "saving" your car. Take care of it yes, but it's your fucking car. Drive it, drive it like it's yours (because it is). That's like only painting your house in shades of gray because you are worried about resale value just to never actually sell it.
munche@reddit
I think it's because like - idk about the poster above but the Boomer generation watched a bunch of cars that they considered normal and unremarkable become worth big money. All of the sudden the cars of their youth were selling for 6 figures and so everyone held on to them. I think that mindset continues - folks see how some cars that were kept unused with the right rare options become worth a ton of cash, and think it's a good idea to just preserve their car for the next owner.
The problem is owning a car and not driving it you're just a caretaker for the guy who gets it next. And unless you had a 1% model/trim and held onto it for 30+ years, you lost a ton of money on it
Spicywolff@reddit
An amazing choice in the first car I was looking at before I bought the Mercedes. But I can literally reality that I needed a four-door. So naturally SS 1LE but 4 doors was the blackwings. Unfortunately, those were selling for MSRP with a lot of mileage when I was purchasing. So I went in German.
I really hope you take it out to the track and auto cross because that car is so well suited for it.
lolastrasz@reddit
I went the other direction! I had a Camaro SS 1LE. Sold it and bought the Type R. The Camaro was fun, though. Just never felt like the right car for me.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
I am possibly considering trading my WRX for a next gen Camaro/Buick Sedan if everything works out.
I just love the platform.
dxearner@reddit
Hopefully the visibility is better in the new gen Camaro. I can't stand how claustrophobic the last gen feel.
slowpoke2018@reddit
Had a G80 M3 comp xdrive and that and a freaking FWD Honda are nowhere near the same
Who writes this drivel
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I’ve tracked both on the same circuit and I’d say the CTR was significantly more engaging
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
These people don’t seem to know what a “driver’s car” is anymore, because a 4,000 lb AWD automatic german luxury sedan with a lot of power is most certainly not going to be as engaging than a manual Type R that also probably handles better. I don’t even know why that’s considered such a crazy take. Honestly cars like the Type R keep this market alive, and I don’t think it’s a crazy take to say it’s the best new driver’s car under 100k
No-Necessary7135@reddit
BTW your EN deserves to be in that conversation. It's probably I drove one back-to-back with a CTR and couldn't tell much of a difference on the street. And for the price?
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
Haha thanks, if the argument was the most fun, especially relative for the price, I’d definitely agree! Lots of reviewers and people who have driven both say the N is more fun and playful - however I can’t verify myself since the Honda dealerships near me SUCK and wouldn’t let me test drive a Type R when I was in the market. What I can say though is that the N is such a whimsical car to drive, and I’m always excited to get behind the wheel.
MoonliteJaz@reddit
Most people aren't pushing thier cars to driving limits. I don't track my cars, but locally have some of the best (and mostly empty) windy backroads. You'd be surprised at how much fun a light-weight sentra could feel on those roads vs any 3800+ lbs sports car.
Personally I think the Porche Cayman GTS is the best under 100k but I think they aren't selling those anymore.
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
I think the GTS was over 100k in its final year. Crazy thing is that a few years ago, when the 718 GT4 was at its tail end of production, it started just under 100k.
n0t_4_thr0w4w4y@reddit
As someone who has driven both, I’d take a CTR over a G80
Ninesixx@reddit
As someone who's owned them both, and the CT4V BW and Golf R, I'd go BW > G80 > CTR > R
The engine is just too good in the G80 to take a car with half the power.
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
The engine is way too powerful for the street though, and its coupled with the fact that the car feels a bit numb. It has a good MT but it doesn't have the light feeling and playfulness of the CTR. Still, I think both options are better than the G80 and Golf R
randeus@reddit
Is the Type R too serious or playful? The car community can’t seem to agree on which one it is.
coffeebribesaccepted@reddit
Not sure I've ever seen someone say the type R is too serious.
randeus@reddit
People in this very thread are saying it’s too clinical.
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
Its playful in the sense its a lightweight car. The Golf R is like 3,500 lbs and the G80 Is roughly 4,000 lbs. They are mire numb and feel like a tank.
TomNooksRepoMan@reddit
Is the manual good? I’m glad BMW is making a manual M3, but it seems like most people feel the same as I do about their manuals, which is that the shifter feel leaves a lot to be desired.
n0t_4_thr0w4w4y@reddit
Yup, I’ve owned 3 manual BMWs and driven every generation 3 series from E36 to F3x in manual plus the F83, G80, and F22 in manual. Across the dozen or so manual bimmers I have driven, I don’t think any of them have particularly good shifter feel. They range from mediocre to atrocious.
I rented a G80 6MT a few years back on a day when I was hiking in the CO mountains and I wasn’t that much of a fan of it. Way too big and bulky. Didn’t really feel like much of an upgrade over a G20 M340i, tbh.
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
Not good. In fact I'd say its so bad that its one of the few cars thats its not even worth getting and you'd be better off getting the AT lol.
n0t_4_thr0w4w4y@reddit
The engine is great on the G80, unfortunately the rest of the package is kinda mediocre.
The CTR is a much more fun car. I’m renting a blackwing in September and excited to try it out
Several_Strain_1103@reddit
The 2026 design is definitely a shift. It feels like they're trying to appeal to a broader audience by toning down the aero bits, even if the enthusiasts miss the more aggressive look.
NotRote@reddit
People who have actually driven the cars, so not you probably lol.
VariationAgreeable29@reddit
I have an LCI G80 Comp xD. That, and the Blackwing, are not what this category is about. We need $50k sports cars as much as we need Blackwings and M3s
atomictyler@reddit
I don't disagree with you, but this whole thing is based on an article of cars up to $100k
Spicywolff@reddit
100% I get it but at $100,000 price point you’re getting a hell of a machine. But you still need to have something that’s let’s be real a bit more attainable. $30-$50,000 price point is still a real market that has a real enthusiast.
With the economy the way it’s going the divide of wealth is getting bigger and bigger. So if you make the lower and mill range cars that are fun to disappear… eventually you’re gonna be stuck at the bottom with boring mommy cars. Or way at the top aspirational cars that will never hit.
VariationAgreeable29@reddit
Exactly my point. I test drove the Civic Type R and just was blown away. It made me smile in a way that very few cars have. Sure, it’s not as 0 to 60 champ but wow, it is SUCH a perfectHonda. For people who love the brand, it is absolutely the purest distillation of their engineer-driven ethos. As I said, I know there’s a lot of side eye in this thread, but it is really a world class machine.
Spicywolff@reddit
I think a lot of people get hung up on the performance numbers before I forget the human element. You said it perfectly. Yeah sure it’s not gonna win any challenges. But you enjoyed the car and for something that we spent so much of our life in it should be fun.
I don’t get why the car’s getting a lot of side eye. The only fault I can realistically fine with it is that it’s expensive. I wish I could buy it for less money, but I could say that about just about every car.
I think it’s gonna age very well and hold really good value for the future owners. Because a lot of people will want that experience.
VariationAgreeable29@reddit
My very first car was a second-gen CRX Si. I bought it used with 60,000 miles on it and was a four-year-old car. I drove it for four more years, doubled the mileage and sold it for the exact same money I bought it for. To this day that remains my favorite car ever. I’ve had a lot of great cars and that was the best. Yes, my $98,000 M3 feels worth every single penny. But I absolutely see a world where a $50,000 Honda civic type R feels worth 50,000. Both are glorious and neither detracts from the other.
Spicywolff@reddit
My first car was a mk3 supra turbo and I miss it every day. During high school days parts were scarce and the parts I needed were very expensive new old stock from Japan. I sold it and got a jeep ZJ, it made more sense for what I was doing and the work I was starting after high school. I miss those older than me Japanese cars.
Yeah, so many people worked up with one car being better than the other. They forget to enjoy both for what they individually are. It’s so easy to get caught up in this car is better than that car. That folks just forget to objectively view what they’re driving.
And is more and more fun cars are discontinued that’s a real tragedy. People should enjoy everything from the humble civic SI. To a Lamborghini.
Hornycloudlover@reddit
Yea except the article says under 100k and all those cars fall under that category.
dezirdtuzurnaim@reddit
In 2023, when I got my 4BW, the CTR was being priced at 55k+ in SE MI. I got the BW for 64. There’s no comparison, IMHO
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
The CT4V Blackwing isn't even that much more though, especially with what dealers were doing to Civic Type R's lol.
I am certain atleast a few people spent CT4V Blackwing, or M2 money on an FL5 Type R.
Aerospaced0ut@reddit
The general consensus is that the Type R is a better driver's car, even though the M3 comp Xdrive will smoke it in a straight line. Even with the 550 or so HP on tap, it's only about 15 seconds faster on the Nurburgring, which tells you how well it handles. The steering is more communicative. It's lighter. Clutch/shifter feel is better. It's also like $40K cheaper, not that that matters for an under $100K competition, but it matters to a lot of buyers. I'd take the keys to the CTR 10/10 times if given the choice between the two for a fun technical road or track. Trying to win a race... Yeah... m3/4 comp.
randeus@reddit
Not only is 15 seconds faster a lot on that track, but that Type R also wasn’t stock.
Aerospaced0ut@reddit
"Honda conducted test, non-factory optioned aftermarket Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect. Current FWD car record holder. 7:44.881 on the 20,832 m lap."
It had upgraded tires, the same ones used on the M3 for its time.
Also the G80 M3 wasn't an xDrive to my knowledge. Add ~100 lbs for AWD and you just lost that 15s edge.
Kinda beside the point, though, the point is that absolute speed is not the end all be all for "best driver's car". It's about the feel, the engagement, the thrill, and 15 seconds actually isn't a huge gap when you consider the track is heavily biased towards high HP cars. CTR was only 1 second slower on Suzuka, for instance.
Hopefully BMW will someday re-learn how to build a steering rack. The last BMW with good steering feel was basically the E92... They made a damn good hydraulic rack. M2/3/4 are still great cars and damn fast... That doesn't matter it the best driving car.
randeus@reddit
I’m not saying whether or not I agree, but steering is subjective and also doesn’t sell. BMW has said their customers prefer steering without too much feel due to preferring comfort and considering how well BMW is doing sells wise, they probably won’t change.
Aerospaced0ut@reddit
There's just no communication from their racks but yeah preferences definitely matter and people used to complain their steering was too heavy, so I understand why they went to the other extreme. Agreed I think the light/numb steering is here to stay for the brand because people keep buying them, but a lot of folks like me that own a BMW now and owned one in the past are disappointed with the change. The E30 I owned had absolutely brilliant steering. Better than every car I've owned since, including the S2000 I've had the last 7 years. The only thing I've driven with better steering feel was a manual rack Exige.
xlb250@reddit
Agreed, I’d go with the Civic Type R over the M3
SilentDroid75@reddit
saying this with an iX flair is like saying porsches feel numb when you own a cayenne
xlb250@reddit
Fair. I have only driven the i4 and Supra, which both had worse steering feel than the iX.
Isn’t the M3/4 known to be really numb/artificial driving experience though? I recall when the F80 came out, MotorTrend said it was as much fun to drive as it was to be passenger.
ritz_are_the_shitz@reddit
I've driven both... I'd take the CTR over any M3 after the E90.
blackwing is harder to argue against, but ehhh, probably still the CTR? the V6 in the CT4 doesn't make me feel anything like the CT5VBW's V8 does, but that's now starting just over 100k.
BUT - this article is based on driving impressions, not practicality. and I can't reasonably start comparing against an ND3 miata with coilovers, because that opens the door wide open to modding. which means... Emira? oh wait, that's also over 100k now. Caymans and Boxsters are a bit too engineered for my taste, competent in a way that is bored with you - and oh, they're unavailable to configure now. and the GTS 4.0 is over 100k, anyways.
GR86? steering is numb, exhaust uninspiring, it's a great value, but with 100k to splash, pass.
M2? same problem as M3. numb, too big, too heavy, it's what an M4 should be, just like the M3 is now what the M5 should be. give me something E46 sized, or at least with the beautiful engine of the E90.
yeah. CTR is winning here. I would take an ITS first, but that's for the sound system, nothing about how it drives.
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
Honda makes some of the best transmissions you can get, and RWD is lame. FWD takes so much more skill to master.
zerosystem03@reddit
rwd is so difficult even f1 and imsa drivers dont want to touch it
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
F1 all low skill anyways. Anyone can drive around a paved track with sticky tires. Rally is where its at.
zerosystem03@reddit
Definitely ragebait. Even Travis Prastrana tried grip driving and found it much harder. The time gaps in professional grip driving are much smaller. Like hundredths of a second. Versus rally where you can be a few seconds off and still be fine
Tuned3f@reddit
Bait used to be believable
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
Cope harder RWD nerd
Tuned3f@reddit
Project harder brokie
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
Lol, sure.
Club_Penguin_Legend_@reddit
Its true
Compy222@reddit
The 1LE isn’t in production anymore but the SS 1LE was a better driving car than the Type R and basically the same price.
Several_Strain_1103@reddit
The 2026 design is definitely a shift. It feels like they're trying to appeal to a broader audience by toning down the aero bits, even if the enthusiasts miss the more aggressive look.
Angry_Homer@reddit
I've only driven the most basic of CT4s. 2.0 and 8AT.
Awesome car nonetheless. Blows any newer BMW I've driven out of the water**. A lot of it comes down to that steering feel.
**No M cars, but the older BMWs I've driven are shitbox spec too.
WeeniePops@reddit
Yeah, I’m calling BS on this when stuff like the Miata, BRZ, Cayman, and Supra exist. The civic is probably like top 5 at best.
asianmaddmess@reddit
I agree lol
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Too bad it’s gone this year
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
True.
There are still 80 left on dealer lots new however.
And I am sure it will be replaced by something similar with the Camaro/Buick Sedan/CT5 starting production in late 2027.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
GM has been doing well with the corvette (besides the transmissions) so it’s exciting to see what they’re cooking up with that.
Nashvegas@reddit
100%
CoffeeXKing@reddit
For nearly half the cost of a type R (taxes and such), you could get an Elantra N which is almost as good.
I'd dare argue in some aspects it's better, because unlike the type R, it doesn't suffer from overheating due to engine design.
It comes ready for the track completely stock, no mods necessary.
Let alone that's ignoring the idea of best driving car for under 100k.
I'm sorry, I'm not circle jerking the type R.
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
Honey wake it up, it’s time for the daily r/cars Type R circlejerk
BahnMe@reddit
Hey listen the Type R is awesome sauce but for an enthusiast with $50k to put to fun, I can think of a lot other more fun options
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Like what
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
GR Corolla, and the Elantra N offers 90% the same experience for much less money. Shitty dealership experience aside.
FrozenUruguayBallbac@reddit
I love my gr corolla, insane peppy little egg
jdubbin_@reddit
I sold my EN due to the dealer/service dept experience. If you have a good dealer it’s a keeper for sure. Incredible bang for buck
XMaximaniaX@reddit
This right here
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Golf R - new Porsches - used
cannedrex2406@reddit
A Golf R is going to be much more numb than a Civic go drive though. Faster, maybe. More engaging? Probably not.
Also used cars arent part of the discussion
GoddamnIronTiger@reddit
If I’ve got $50k to spend on a car and want the most fun option, used is absolutely part of the discussion.
cannedrex2406@reddit
Well then, no car is worth more fun than a LS-swapped Miata for 20k.
See how that argument falls apart?
GoddamnIronTiger@reddit
Not really. Engine swapping a car is a way different undertaking than comparing new and used options at a specific price point.
cannedrex2406@reddit
You miss my point. A used car can be more fun, but that's cause it's built to a different price point and market, making it less comparable.
Like a Civic Type R and a F87 M2 might be the same price, but I wouldn't put them in a comparison
Plus if everyone only bought a used car, who's going to buy a new car for you to buy used?
GoddamnIronTiger@reddit
I don’t miss your point, it’s just not a very valid point.
If I’m spending at a certain price point, I’m looking for the best fit at that price point. It’s completely reasonable to compare new and used models that fit my criteria.
“WhO iS gOiNg tO bUy NeW cArS” is a wild take. The latest data from March has new car sales in the US at 16.69 million annually. The consumer does not have any kind of duty or obligation to uphold an industry by buying new, and the industry isn’t remotely threatened by used sales.
How you spend your money is your business. If it’s my $50k I’m spending, I’m certainly doing due diligence and cross-shopping all my options.
cannedrex2406@reddit
“WhO iS gOiNg tO bUy NeW cArS” is a wild take. The latest data from March has new car sales in the US at 16.69 million annually. The consumer does not have any kind of duty or obligation to uphold an industry by buying new, and the industry isn’t remotely threatened by used sales.
then explain why new budget performance cars are dying in favour of premium market ones? its not hard to see which market sector is buying new vs buying used.
you can buy used, but dont cry when brands stop making the cars you want
imped4now@reddit
Perhaps he meant, "used cars aren't a part of the article's discussion."
Allowing used and/or modified cars to be entered into the equation, the article's plot would get much longer and messier.
cannedrex2406@reddit
yes that is my point and every discussion here,
cause like said, bringing in the discussion of used makes it way too complicated
Trunksplays@reddit
As a Golf R owner I thought it was way better than the civic lol.
cannedrex2406@reddit
Touchè. What about the Golf did you find better than the Civic? Honestly curious
Trunksplays@reddit
So I’m coming from this was a very baseline point of view. I’m not going to say my track experience, wouldn’t be fair. Autocross is 80% of the time the driver, not the car.
Interior was way more for the money the CTR is. If you go to the Acura at this trim then you’re basically overpaying.
I’m a sucker for the AWD/TVD system. I do feel a lot more planted driving, and I have enjoyed my long mountain driving with it. Also, even just driving in poor weather or on poor roads it’s proved way more efficient.
DSG in my context, since it was cheaper at the time, is just well and overbuilt. I’ll be tuning mine, along with going S2 more then likely. Manual is… manual. Nothing against it but the DSG will out do it, it’s a given.
Power and capability with the platform. From a friend who had his CTR, it plateaus eventually. The Golf (and Ea8888), is very well made and can push itself very hard. They’re not that hard to modify and also maintain. You deal with the German quirks OFC. This is the same vein with suspension and so on.
It’s muted. I’ve not been profiled by law enforcement cause it’s not the “boy racer” look. My friends in challengers, chargers, CTR, vettes, WRX, all have been profiled a bit. I can do what they do and actually not be flagged lol. The golf lends itself to the daily aspect, and it does it well.
In fairness of the CTR, it is a better track car out the gate. But beyond that, that’s really all I got from it. My friend with a CTR actually traded his car in to get an old Miata, cause it was essentially the same thing for a quarter the price lol.
No-Necessary7135@reddit
That last sentence makes no sense.
ZeroCool1@reddit
But bro the haptics, how can you ever enjoy an egg?!
Trunksplays@reddit
Haptic button is overblown lol. I got used to it in 2-3 days.
Egg meme funny tho.
juuceboxx@reddit
And on the new Mk8.5 the steering wheel haptics are regular buttons again, so it's a non-issue on new models. Even the AC controls didn't bother me as much as I thought they would, the 'Auto' climate control is quite good which means I rarely have to mess with the screen to get comfortable.
MNAAAAA@reddit
Same same - on the wheel, the vibrate feature makes it pretty darn close to physical buttons.
Trunksplays@reddit
Literally. A lot of people who actually own and daily the Golf MK8 series have said it’s really over blown. Some people JUST prefer buttons and that’s fine. There’s retrofits now.
Different_Run3017@reddit
I don’t see them mentioning the Golf R in the review - 😂 get outta here
Shadax@reddit
And as a Type R owner, it's the more exciting car but not the better daily.
Trunksplays@reddit
I personally didn’t find the CTR that exciting lol
imped4now@reddit
Perhaps you didn't drive it under the right conditions. Give me the Golf under standard day to day conditions. Give me the FL5 on a good road with minimal traffic.
munche@reddit
On the C&D lightning lap it was also slower around a power heavy track
cannedrex2406@reddit
Makes sense, as the Golf has lower power and torque, so outside of faster initial acceleration, it's going to lag on high speed tracks where acceleration is tertiary to handling and power
AdmiralZassman@reddit
the horsepower is the power.... it's how it accelerates all the time. if anything, torque would be the thing that shows a car is quicker off the line
cannedrex2406@reddit
Apologies! You are correct
munche@reddit
The Golf R IMO is a no brainer if you want a nicer daily driver that does better at stoplight acceleration than the CTR but they are taking very different approaches to the same thing
cannedrex2406@reddit
Hence my point. The Golf R is a good car, but it does the hot hatch question, a bit differently than the Civic. As a daily it's better sure, but Im not sure I'd consider it more engaging
imped4now@reddit
I've owned both, along with others.
There isn't a more engaging hot "hatch" out of the box than the FL5. The article hits the nail on the head.
cannedrex2406@reddit
That is my point yes
lickitysplithabibi@reddit
The golf r is numb and doesn’t handle very well.
munche@reddit
In general Golf is always the answer when you want to slide the daily driver slider up and the fun sliders down a bit, imo.
DooceBigalo@reddit
its not even close, the CTR is a blast (FK8 was even more fun)
Aggravating-Curve755@reddit
Can confirm, owned both. The Golf is a more comfortable every day car, type r is way more fun
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
I guess the golf r counts, but damn it’s like right there on the cutoff of $50k even used. I don’t know where you’re finding a $50k Porsche that won’t be a PITA though
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
My Macan S CPO has been kind to me for $30k and my Boxster has eaten what it cost to buy to bring back to fully functional but I’m still only into it for $25k.
PITA can be worth it if the driving is good enough
Big-Soup74@reddit
Macan S CPO for $30k??? 👀
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Yup! Porsche Finder!
Big-Soup74@reddit
hey man!! been looking into this a little bit. wondering how many miles yours had and how long the warranty was? This seems like a great deal. are you worried about depreciation hitting you hard when the warranty is up/in general?
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Not worried about depreciation, 2 year warranty, 3rd was purchasable but we didn’t. I think we bought it around 75k miles but with the 80k service. At this point, the reason to get rid of it would be catastrophic failure of trans or engine. Powertrain, generally. Otherwise, no real reason to get out of it. We love it.
Big-Soup74@reddit
Will you sell when the warranty is up or try to extend?
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
We’re thinking of extending, if possible, but not too bothered either. It’ll depend on costs. Car’s paid off, it’s cheaper to keep it and maintain it unless there’s a catastrophic failure.
Lots of ways to do that math, but when any of it involves taking on additional significant liability, keeping the paid off thing running makes a lot of sense.
Big-Soup74@reddit
Definitely. I’d personally be worried if I buy a CPO macan for \~$25k-$30k, then when the warranty ends after 2 years of normal driving it’s only worth somewhere in the teens, I keep it and like magic the engine blows 😂. Maybe I’m paranoid
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
It’s a risk! But the engine blowing is less a risk than bore score.
We’re also driving it pretty hard. Not just regular traffic ;) but getting in the teens for it is what we’d need to make it to the next bracket of cars, without having to take on too much liability. With it bringing $15k, we could then afford a $45k car, assuming we did a nice down payment.
Also, it’s not worth anything and out of warranty? Okay I’ll tune it to the GTS power level ;)
Big-Soup74@reddit
I like your style king. Good luck! Hoping to follow your path soon
TheRealPizza@reddit
Had one of these too. Warranty is the only way to buy a Macan imo. Phenomenal all-rounder but blew a motor and would’ve been like 30k in work if not for the warranty
trackdaybruh@reddit
Jeeze, what caused the blown motor?
BWFTW@reddit
987.1 Cayman or boxster can be very reliable if you get a proper PPI and do your due diligience. 987.2 is basically bulletproof what I understand. Easily get a 987.2 Cayman S for 50k. Reliable, 300hp, 3100 pounds, mid engine, and your choice of double clutch or manual.
withsexyresults@reddit
Don’t these come with ims and bore scoring issues
Uncle_Hephaestus@reddit
the target isn't 50k though it's 100k for the article that new RS3 money...
captainnowalk@reddit
I thought this thread was in response to the “an enthusiast with $50k to spend has better options” comment, though?
atomictyler@reddit
that's right where I went too. I'm not sure I understand why folks here are limiting it to $50k. setting the limit at $100k and new, or used, there's a ton of cars that I'd prefer over the Type R.
raustin33@reddit
Plenty of 981 Cayman/Boxster options that will be among the best driving cars at any price.
But they do give up the form factor of the Civic. If you need one car to do it all, the Civic is the winner.
terroristteddy@reddit
I don't even count it because starting MY25 there's no stick
BahnMe@reddit
Easy to find a low mileage 2006 987 S for $20-$25k. That's the year without IMS issues or bore scoring. Spend $5k for any deferred maintenance or rubber bushings.
If you're okay with base, pretty much any of the base 987.1 or .2 are safely reliable and very fun to drive because you can actually be on the throttle a long time without going to jail speed and do some shifting. These go for $15-$30k depending on mileage and year.
You can also get a 981 cars under $50k that are very well taken care of. Base 718 is also in this range as well.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I’ll tell you right now a Golf R is absolutely not more fun than a CTR
Different_Run3017@reddit
Golf R - stop making me laugh 😂
p3dal@reddit
Is the golf R more fun? I've heard it's a better daily driver, but not that it's more fun. If the only other things that beat it in the fun department are used Porsches and Lotus, that's a hell of a compliment for the Type R. I would have said the Miata is probably more fun, and cheaper, and the GR86 might be a contender. Personally I'd pick the Miata over the Type R, but that's only because I've never actually driven the Type R.
NorthStarZero@reddit
I recently picked up a very-low-miles 2022 Mini SE, and it is an absolute hoot - with the added benefit that nobody can tell when you are hooning about because it makes the same noise at full power as it does just driving about.
I had the chance to drive the original Integra Type R in anger back in '98, and the Mini SE is just waaaaay more fun.
Trunksplays@reddit
I’m a Golf R owner and it was a lot more fun than the civic.
I can see the argument for numbness on DSG, which I do own, but I’ve done the manual and it is far better IMO on both than the CTR. CTR is a great “drivers” car but at 50K, there is better cars to buy.
End of the day it’s all subjective. I’ve had my R for a while and it’s had its issues, but I’ve smoked many CTRs and so on.
SquareBlueberry12@reddit
The CTR is a miles better driver’s car than the Golf R. Find me a single test where journalists confirm your opinion. Spoiler alert - you won't find one.
Trunksplays@reddit
Okay, so do we take movie critics like their the standard lol?
SquareBlueberry12@reddit
Comparing movie critics to car reviewers doesn't really work. 1) anyone can watch any movie, 2) and art is entirely subjective. On the other hand, professional reviewers drive every new car on both the road and the track. They have much broader knowledge than almost anyone with interest in cars.
If every professional reviewer reports one thing, and you decide you value more an opinion of some rando that worships his Golf R, because it is the best thing he has ever driven out of total 5 cars he's ever been in, it is totally on you.
p3dal@reddit
You liked the MT on the Golf R better than the MT on the civic? That's interesting, I've always heard the transmission was one of the best parts of the civic. What did you like better?
I've always hesitated on the CTR because everything I read about the harshness of the suspension suggests it might be a bad choice for my region. I don't see many of them around. I had to get rid of the 20" wheels on my Tesla just to make it bearable.
Trunksplays@reddit
I drove a friends briefly at a track day. Was alright, definitely know why people still prefer it and I get it. I used to race a 80s era Nissan in autocross.
The harshness isn’t as bad if you can get used to it. However that’s subjective. You need to just try it out. My golf if it matters rocks 18x8.5 wheels.
p3dal@reddit
I think 18s are perfect. It's hard to fit 18s on the tesla over the performance brakes. I've got 19s right now. It's crazy to me that the CTR comes with 20s.
Trunksplays@reddit
The golf came with 19x8s IIRC, and you basically have to get rid of them and the OEM wheels immediately.
Nice on the performance brakes. I’ll be swapping my calipers sooner or later to 4/6 piston. Already have 2 piece floaters lol.
goopypungo@reddit
No. It’s a fantastic car but I wouldn’t call it particularly engaging or fun. Has to be one of the best dailys with a spicy side though
p3dal@reddit
I had a friend who test drove both tell me he felt the GTI was more engaging to drive. I think he said something about the AWD resulting in less feedback. I remember feeling a similar way in my old WRX. The dry traction was so much more than the engine needed, so it was really only fun to drive in rainy or snowy conditions. On a clear day it was a bit boring on the street.
willpc14@reddit
Might have something to do with the torque vectoring in the AWD system. The Track AWD setting on my GRC varies the torque split from 60:40 to 70:30 depending on driver inputs. Below 9/10s, it feels kinda weird. Like your driving a video game and have to trick it into doing what you want. 9/10s and above feels fairly natural though.
p3dal@reddit
My Tesla definitely drives like a racing simulator, but it's funny, they let the traction control have just enough wheelspin that you can feel the car shimmy about as the electronic LSD decides where to send the power if you punch it in a turn or over rough terrain. On a standing launch it just goes without a hint of slip. In track mode it starts to feel more like a real car, but the stock tires just aren't cut out for Autox.
On the other end of the spectrum, when I drove my buddy's Mclaren P750S, I was amazed at how much wheelspin it gave you with the traction control on. They really tuned that car to feel fun. Punching it from a standing start sounded like a burnout.
I think that's the future opportunity for traction control systems. There are so many videos of people turning off traction control and immediately looping their car. It seems obvious that what people really need is a hybrid mode with partial traction control that lets you have fun without crashing. Maybe stability control without the traction control. It would be a bit of a branding challenge to get people to use it. They could call it "fun mode". Or on a Dodge product they'd have to call it "Hardcore mode" and then make the actual traction control off mode sound really boring and clinical so no one wants to select it, "ESC maintenance mode" or something like that. All that to trick people into leaving stability control on.
ewaters46@reddit
I mean this is pretty common on a lot of cars now. „Race/Track mode“ is often the exact thing you describe with TC being more lenient or fully off but stability control remaining active. For example, the AMG GTR has a dial that allows you to select from line levels of TC.
The naming is different for any brand obviously and in some cars „Track mode“ is too spicy for what you describe.
goopypungo@reddit
I’ve found my Subarus to be more fun that my R but I don’t even want to talk about how much money it costs to get a Subaru to put you in your seat the way the R can
Setanta68@reddit
When I move on from my Type R, the Yaris GR is a lot more fun. It's on my short list.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
Lotus shouldn't even be in the running. for 50k you are looking at a 10+ year old Evora. An elise isn't a daily. An esprit is going to be an early v8 or older and just no. Great if you want a toy, but the civic can be a daily where even an older Evora was not known for its QC when new.
Looking at used is not even fair and never is. No warranty and past owners vs new off the lot and having lemon law to protect you. (Even if it is a pita to lemon a car, it is something)
SaltyDalt@reddit
The Golf R is truly phenomenal. But you’re absolutely high if you think it’s more fun than a Type-R.
I went from a MK7 VW (rip) to a FL5 Type-R, and it’s no contest lol.
The Golf has a little more space, is quieter, rides better, has a nicer interior, handles bad weather better, and is a bit quicker off the line…
But the steering, suspension, and transmission are worlds better in the Honda and VW doesn’t even make a stick anymore and the Golf-R is a couple thousand bucks more expensive.
VW has pretty much always made the grand tourer of the hot hatch world. They’re more grown up and less insane than the competition, always. And that’s great. But it isn’t more fun.
Alt-F4-for-freeVbuck@reddit
That’s it, I’m trading my Golf R for a Type-R, I’m so fucking jealous of Type-R owners lmao
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
I think some of the fun is in the nicer interior, handling bad weather better, etc. There are different kinds of fun. The driving is absolutely part of it. So is a nice interior.
Substantial-Oil7569@reddit
There's definitely something to be said about the fit and finish of the GTI and R. I loved the paint quality, interior, solid doors, sound deadening, etc. on my Mk7.5 GTI, but I wouldn't say I derived any fun from that. My WRX is not as nice, but it gives me the fizz to drive it and I'm always thinking about it. The GTI just felt like a nice appliance car that would begrudgingly go fast if you pushed it.
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Yeah. I’m wondering if I’m the weird one more and more. I got two Porsches and a Jetta and sometimes the Jetta is more fun because it’s got no power and I can absolutely rev out 1-2-3 and stay legal. And roundabouts are fun because of the traction circle and the tire squeal as we find those limits. And my Macan feels like a backroad carver that’s also a perfect GT with the heated and cooled seats. And my Boxster is a little joy and adventure machine but understeers like a pig. Not as bad as the Jetta, in fairness. Like, I derive so much joy from all my cars - when driving hard and when driving smooth and with traffic.
I kinda feel it’s my job to find the fun and the limits and the joy. Idk.
Substantial-Oil7569@reddit
I think I understand what you mean, in the same way I used to love driving my parents' R56 Mini Cooper in high school and my first year of college. Or occasionally run an errand for them in their Chevy Bolt. Small, light, and you can drive the piss out of it without really doing anything scary or illegal.
ChiggaOG@reddit
It can't be any Lotus, and it's not for everyone when you read the specifics of each model. The Lotus Elise is the step above the Civic Type R for the 10th- and 11th-generation models. The ones with the Toyota engines are reliable. However, it's still a British-built vehicle with electrical issues. This is different from the recent Emira.
NotRote@reddit
As someone who recently test drove a golf R before buying my STi, nah, the car is a great daily, but it's numb as fuck. I actually had no intention on buying an STi, I just hated the R and the dealership had a low miles STi as well.
killian1113@reddit
People that know about cars dont buy vw, Honda is OK but not for 48k ;) silly price.
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Lol what
killian1113@reddit
Volkswagen generally holds a 3.5 out of 5.0 reliability rating, ranking around 12th out of 32 car brands.
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
That’s an interesting take. I think reliability is kinda a metric that we all know and feel for ourselves but that’s because it’s fundamentally about what each of our own risk tolerances are. I don’t miss a maintenance item, and have had almost no issues. Warranties cover the rest. My risk tolerance is low for missing maintenance. Others, with higher tolerances for missing maintenance, drag down the metric because they want to step up into German cars but don’t know that that requires responsibility.
But in a world where we’re talking $50k fun cars, i think it’s a bit goofy to assume regular traffic reliability out of a car that’s been pushed and prodded, primed and pruned into an enthusiast shape, AND have that cost no money. Car prices have gone down or stayed flat since the 90’s and early 00’s. Wages haven’t kept up with inflation.
$50k for a Golf R or a CTR is normal and understandable given what they’re doing with those platforms.
coyote_of_the_month@reddit
If you're going to bring used cars into the conversation, you're opening the door for all kinds of stupid. It's a car that you can buy new at a dealership today; compare it to cars you can buy new at dealerships today.
Otherwise you're opening the door to all kinds of stupid, like "there's an LS-swapped RX-7 for $15k on my local Facebook marketplace."
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
The comment I’m replying to was replying to a comment that brought used cars into play.
rugbyfiend@reddit
Lol golf R is barely comparable to a Type R. Have extensive experience in both. If you can get a good used Porsche for the same price as a FL5 then I agree.
equitymans@reddit
To be fair golf r is way quicker in a line but dynamically not close man. Also shifter wise not even in same fucking universe 😂 so kinda depends on that if you want driver car mode or not
SaltyDalt@reddit
1/4 mile high 12s around 110mph vs medium 13s at 105 point to the Golf R advantage being almost entirely in launch. Which makes sense with an auto + AWD.
On a backroad I think the civic’s peakier powertrain, stouter suspension, and lighter weight make it feel faster. It probably is faster through twisties, but regardless is close enough to hardly matter.
Sauce: currently own a FL5, used to own a MKVII (rip).
equitymans@reddit
Well it's faster no doubt and a far better car dynamically. Your opinion on both is valid still but numbers tell us this. As you said above... massive diff in a line right? And yet? Ring times? We can cycle any circuits practically besides insane straight heavy and it's pretty clear. Even with a massive acceleration advantage the data tells us driven near limits which is capable through a bend lol
CloudMage1@reddit
None of them bringing the reliability either. I still prefer NA though. Im still driving out 15 si sedan. We bought it new. 130k on it now, have only had 1 injector go bad other than brakes, tires, and oil changes.
lickitysplithabibi@reddit
The golf R 🥴🤣😆
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
Lol what Porsche you are finding for under $50k?
uberdosage@reddit
981 cayman and boxster
willpc14@reddit
Used (which I don't think is a fair comparison), there are plenty of 996s, high mileage 997s, Caymans, and Boxsters are all at or below $50k USD.
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Mine, into a Boxster for $24k and a Macan for $30k.
walmarttshirt@reddit
Can confirm, the golf R is phenomenal. Comfortable family hauler when it needs to be and absolute beast in race mode. AWD means I’m a set of winter wheels and tires away from driving it year round.
uberdosage@reddit
It definitely is a more comfortable daily, but it is also not as engaging or dynamically competent as a car
Imtherealwaffle@reddit
no way a golf r is more fun. Maybe better, or nicer. But not more fun
the_lamou@reddit
He said more fun, not "understeering pretend luxobarge."
It's been a hot minute since you could get a running Porsche that both runs and is less than 40 years old for under $50k. And if you do, you're going to spend the rest of that $50k very quickly keeping it running.
See above.
Armored_Guardian@reddit
I feel like every comparison test I’ve ever read between the Civic and the Golf R said the Civic is funner to drive
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
It definitely is. I think Everyday Driver put it best; "the Golf will do all of those goofy hot hatch things, but not willingly."
My buddy's dad recently bought an MK8 6spd and while it's fast and comfortable, it's just not as fun as it's class rivals.
willpc14@reddit
The Golf R is premium/entry level luxury "adult" car in the segment. Probably the best choice for young families that only have room for one car or adults that need to drive around clients for work.
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
Definitely agree. It's the most adult option, although now that the ITS is out, that title may have been taken. I suppose if you only want a hatch and not a liftback and the most features.
The GRC is a bit juvenile and rowdy, but that's why I picked it lol.
MathematicianSure386@reddit
What kind of Porsche would you recommend? Is that like under 50k or 40k or what?
TrueSwagformyBois@reddit
Check around, get a PPI, but there is plenty of inventory nationwide of Porsches under $50k.
My preference is mid engine, and Boxster specifically, but I’d love to have a Cayman too.
reddit_lemming@reddit
Golf R more fun than a Type R. Suuuuure.
SiameseDream93@reddit
The Golf R is regular traffic bro
coppertin@reddit
The fact that a Honda is being mentioned in the range of 100k is fuckin wild.
FrozenUruguayBallbac@reddit
mustang gt
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
That list is loooooooong unless you can only imagine buying new.
gimpwiz@reddit
New C8. I mean come on, I own two civics, they're good cars, but a type R is not a better driving experience than a C8 except for being manual, and it's not a better driving experience than an Emira with a stick which can be had for a fraction under a hundred for now.
randeus@reddit
Have you driven a C8? I can’t speak about other trims, but I found the Stingray super boring. It’s a RWD car that understeers stock and refuses to slide and sounds super choked out from the factory when usually American car companies go all out with the way their v8s sounds.
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
You drive a Mustang GT and you think a CTR is going to be more fun than a Corvette? Besides the manual transmission, the Corvette makes way more sense as an upgrade path from your current car than a Civic.
randeus@reddit
Eh, the C8 Stingray being a bit boring isn’t some rare take. It’s RWD, but it *understeers* and is impossible to get the back end loose, and it has probably the most disappointing, saddest v8 exhaust note I’ve heard in a car with a v8, and is so easy to drive and overly comfortable its to its detriment as a sports car because there’s no sense of danger to it at all and it isn’t even remotely playful. It’s an impressive car, but it’s both too numb and muted to be even remotely fun on the street.
I’m sure it’s a fantastic car modded though, but I walked pretty indifferent to how it was straight from the factory. Yeah, my car is slower and objectively worse in most way that matters, but I was immediately having more fun in it afterwards.
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
Can you name a mid-engined sports car that's not tuned to understeer from the factory? Made after ~2005, at least? They're generally not very "playful" cars. Which is definitely boring compared to something like a Viper, but it's not like a FWD hot hatch where the car just pulls you toward wherever you point the front wheels (also an understeer dynamic, btw).
randeus@reddit
You make some fair points, but my opinion of the C8 is still the same. I like a bit of juvenile-ness in a fun car and it feels like the C8 was made exactly for the type of people you always see drive them. I haven’t driven the CTR though, so my assumption was that it’s funner based on the owner experience I’ve seen.
equitymans@reddit
Used? That's super duper duper easy 😂 new is not easy at all and I think type r prob beats anything sub 60 tbh
atomictyler@reddit
RS3 is a bit over $60k. I'm not sure who wouldn't take that over the Type R.
Ghost1k25@reddit
Type R is considerably more fun to drive than the ~~Golf R+~~RS3
equitymans@reddit
Again, anyone who wants parameters like a great manual, lighter by 400 plus lbs, etc, etc...
WKCLC@reddit
Golf r
sfo2@reddit
Miata and 5 years of track days
SINdicate@reddit
Real answer here. Best driving and fwd dont belong in the samsentence
79QUATTRO@reddit
brother, it’s in YOUR flair!!!
uberdosage@reddit
Supra is a numb driving experience as all bmws are.
Sarniezz@reddit
Chevy fan boy heritage moment right here.
Br0boc0p@reddit
I've never heard of the GR Supra 3.0 Miata. Is it a limited edition or new?
railbeast@reddit
(I'm not the guy you asked but) any RWD, bonus points for 2 seats...
GR Supra (your car), Toyobaru, Miata, any Z4.
You need back seats? I've had to make this choice, and, after driving the Civic I decided I'm definitely not able to stomach spending $50k+ on a FWD car.
I'm certain the CTR is amazing on track but the rest of the time it's a FWD econobox with 4 seats and no AC in the back.
Crucify me.
Charbus@reddit
Used Manual Supra
Used Viper
Used Z06
Golf R
Big-Soup74@reddit
My guy
Charbus@reddit
Kachow
GMOrgasm@reddit
cocaine and a $5k beater
DrYaklagg@reddit
Corolla GR, WRX, BRZ, Miata. Sure the type R is faster but all those listed are more engaging and raw feeling.
El_mochilero@reddit
You can buy some seriously incredible corvettes for $50k
PutridContribution41@reddit
Gen 1 Raptor or a Ducati. Hovering around 30k. 20k for upgrades. Even a e92 M3 would be a sweet track car.
PandaBear_Shenyu@reddit
Xiaomi Su7, SC-01, used Mazda RX-7 FD, Any year MX-5 depending on preference.
Freekyogurt@reddit
C6 z06 my guyyyy
WhipTheLlama@reddit
A new Cayman starts just under $100k. It's a better driving car than a type R
k2skier13@reddit
Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer
AtomicRooster190@reddit
Miata 86 Corvette M2 Supra
God damn near anything RWD with an LSD.
EloeOmoe@reddit
Quadrifolio.
KellerMB@reddit
Giulia QV.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/773233230 2018 24k $37k
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/775245853 2019 27k $35.5k
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/778649514 2018 25k $35k
The question was not $50k to put to reliability. You have $13k-$15k left over for a corolla or whatever.
Hrmerder@reddit
Camaro SS, C5+ Corvettes, 00's model Roush or Saleen Mustangs, used Maserati, 2015-2019 Challenger Hellcat, BMW and Mercedes of all kinds of years and types, the list goes on..
FeMnTaNb2O6@reddit
987.2 Boxster/Cayman
cougar_on_cocaine@reddit
1/16th timeshare of a lamborghini revuelto
terroristteddy@reddit
Used sure, but what's better new? Only cars I can think of are Miata, 86, GRC, WRX and maybe certain 2 series? But in terms of having a stick and 4 doors the only competition is really GRC.
Torczyner@reddit
I was about to say the same thing, used is obviously a wild amount of choices and nuance. New, there's not much in that space with everything that hits. The article says under $100k which may put it in new C8 range or possibly a good deal on an Emira though. For $50k I can't think of anything.
I would rather have the Acura version personally.
terroristteddy@reddit
Agree with all. I wish there was a car that looked like the ITR, was RWD and drove like a blackwing, but had a V8 like an IS500. For $65k or less.
Ultimate sports sedan.
Ghost1k25@reddit
E90 M3 with a few mods will get you there.
terroristteddy@reddit
I've thought about it for sure. Always looking out on BaT
SINdicate@reddit
Rumor is thats what nissan is going for with the next Q50
terroristteddy@reddit
If they have TTV6, RWD, and a stick, I'm in. Money where my mouth is
VietBong881@reddit
Is500? Basically a Japanese blackwing no manual though
terroristteddy@reddit
Yeah, an IS500 with a stick would be awesome
PastPalpitationCry@reddit
WRX? that N car?
Vhozite@reddit
Mustangs have 4 seats but I wouldn’t recommend it over a Golf or Type R if you plan on having multiple passengers with any degree of regularity.
terroristteddy@reddit
Forgot Elantra N, but I got the WRX
WhateverItTakes117@reddit
Having 4 doors makes it a worse driving experience. Not a better one. It makes it more practical. Not a better driver's car.
I'd take a mustang all day long over a civic type R, when it comes to driving experience. Better power, rwd is just better feeling than fwd, and the civic does not even play in the same league of how good a naturally aspirated v8 sounds.
And the mustang is way less than 100k
KiddBwe@reddit
I never liked the concept of comparing what you can get from a used car to a new car. It doesn't make sense to buy a new car if you're open to used cars, new purchases only make sense if you specifically want a new car, in which case, you're not comparing used options.
The only car I can think of that compares to the Type R/Type S is the Elantra N. Every other car near the price range has a different mission and things like the Supra are a whole 20-30k more.
Setanta68@reddit
Yaris GR, preferably with the Aero pack.
November87@reddit
Way better used cars available for 50k or less
dajohnnyboy@reddit
How about some anti-circlejerk? I don't love my civic type r. The seats are too tight, the suspension is too stiff, tires are noisy, and the exhaust is too quiet. Those could be fixed but it might be $6k+ to address those items. It's a great car if you can only have one car and want to track it. I don't like taking it on long trips which was 50% of the reason I bought it. Four hour drive to the race track was bothering my back after about 1.5 hours.
KSoMA@reddit
Funny you mention that $6k figure because that's about how much Honda charges to fix all of your issues, it's called the Integra Type S.
At least regarding the suspension, have you tried to install the adaptive suspension chip from the ITS that unlocks the softest setting?
dajohnnyboy@reddit
Yes I have the ITS suspension module. It didn't seem to make a big difference to me. I've thought about switching to 18" wheels and some quieter softer tires. Also thought about the ITS seats and resonator delete. I've been happy with the type r audio.
I did think about the ITS but I liked the civic type r styling and the +r mode to disable track control easily. +r mode was too stiff for the track so it didn't end up being super helpful.
rugbyfiend@reddit
No offence, but how large are you exactly? The seats should fit most pretty well.
dajohnnyboy@reddit
I'm a 36" waist so I definitely could be thinner. I don't understand how matt Farah or other large guys like the type r seats. I fit fine in large racing seats like my race tech rt1000 or tillet b8 xl screamer. I've never had issues like this in any other seat in other performance cars.
GuardsRojo@reddit
He has a mx5, that I think we can assume he fits in, so he can't be too large.
Shad0wF0x@reddit
I have the normal Civic Hatch and when we changed our tires from the stock Conti Pro Contact to the Extreme Contact DW06S, the tire noise reduced so much. I couldn't believe how loud the stock ones were.
DucksEatFreeInSubway@reddit
The exhaust is too quiet?
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
Have you heard a stock Type R before? Probably not. Because it’s so quiet you can’t heard it unless you’re within slapping distance of the car
ShortBrownAndUgly@reddit
Funny I was just thinking that the type r hype had died down and I hadn’t heard much about it in a while
munche@reddit
It's okay to say good things are good
I know redditors are trained to think the only thing that's authentic is screaming about how bad something is but the CTR is actually a legit good car
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
I’d love a Type R lol it’s a very cool car, doesn’t mean this sub doesn’t regularly jerk over it. It’s borderline a meme.
munche@reddit
"people keep calling a good thing jerk. What a circlejerking meme for them to say it's good. The only way to be authentic is to say it's overrated and actually sucks"
That's reddit brain dude you gotta pull up
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
Something can be legitimately very good and also way overhyped. A lot of people want the CTR to be the best car ever made because it's the best car 90% of redditors will ever have a hope in hell of being able to one day finance.
munche@reddit
Yeah nah this is still 100% reddit brain. You gotta be more normal my dude. It's a great driving car that's been showered with accolades from basically every professional car reviewer. That's not an "echo chamber" that's just people saying a good thing is good.
"best driving" doesn't mean "best period" and I'm sure if you think nice interiors are important your "best period" car would be a different one. But this contrarian need to think that anything people like is inherently bad because other people like it is just like 1% better than liking whatever the default is because you don't know any better. You gotta put more thought into it.
AndroidMyAndroid@reddit
What am I being shitty about? The CTR is a good car. But to say it drives better than any car on the market that costs twice as much is click-bait bullshit. Is it really a better driver than a Porsche 718, Mazda Miata, Ford Mustang Dark Horse, BMW M2 or Toyota GR Supra?
The CTR is a great car, but it's a $45k hot hatch. Double the money doesn't get you double the car, but it does get you more car and saying nothing drives better for even twice the price is just bait.
munche@reddit
I'd trust a guy who's driven all of them a lot more than someone who just wants to see their faves win
atomictyler@reddit
Saying it's better than any new or used car under $100k is the problem here. It's a bit nuts telling people they have "reddit brain" if they don't agree with that.
munche@reddit
"overhyped" "circle jerk" are just reddit brain shit
"everyone thinks this so i think the opposite" isn't an opinion it's just contrarianism
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
You’re jerking too hard, pull back. I repeat, pull back.
equitymans@reddit
Both of you guys made me lol so hard
munche@reddit
You just made the same joke I made
kubyx@reddit
Doesn't it make sense that good things will be regularly praised for being good...? Not understanding the issue here.
munche@reddit
How can you show how cool and edgy you are if you say a good thing is good? Sounds like something a circlejerking diva would do
You gotta say it's actually overrated so you show how cool you are
atomictyler@reddit
it does. the issue is saying it's so good that there's nothing new or used, up to $100k that is better. that's saying far more than something is really good. If someone can't find something better within those constraints then they're not being serious.
kubyx@reddit
Not if they really believe there is no better car (for them) under 100k. That's kind of the premise of an opinion, is it not? You don't have to agree with it.
rugbyfiend@reddit
Wait till you drive one
Apprehensive_Bid_329@reddit
Is it? Every time the CTR is mentioned in this sub, people always say it’s an overpriced FWD economy hatch. I feel like this sub always says FWD can’t be great drivers car.
-GenlyAI-@reddit
It's subjective. A fwd can never be for me. I hate them. Doesn't mean I think they can't be great drivers cars for someone.
tsaidollasign@reddit
I always see the “yeah but who wants to pay 50k for a civic!?”
OldKentRoad29@reddit
You get Reddit brain rot.
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
Its the best car I ever owned. Even compared to my GT350. The engine is a huge downgrade but it makes up for it with the awesome interior and light playfulness.
nadmeister@reddit
The CTR interior looks great
SerialExperimentLean@reddit
Even when they don't have anything bad to say about the car this sub still manages to have the top comment being negative lol
munche@reddit
That's Reddit culture. Everything is fake, so the only way to be Real is to be the biggest hater that speaks truth to power
-GenlyAI-@reddit
For a fwd it seems pretty cool.
Several_Strain_1103@reddit
The Type R definitely gets a lot of love here, but for good reason. It's rare to see a front-wheel-drive car push boundaries like this while staying (somewhat) affordable.
Does_Not_Use_Clothes@reddit
I have never seen this and in fact usually people here complain about how bad Honda is. Also every other post in here is about cars people feel are better than this. this just isn’t true.
gitartruls01@reddit
I thought we could only jerk about tawyodurs and luxuses
m0viestar@reddit
Can't wait for SG to jizz so hard about this article in a video.
jkggwp@reddit
I’d argue the ND Miata is a purer driver’s car that’s actually affordable and fuel efficient
Orlundo_M80@reddit
This article title is definitely absurd, and I don’t know if I’d agree with it, but it seems a lot of people VASTLY underestimate how fun a good FWD car can be. The article didn’t say the fastest, or the most powerful or whatever, it just said the best-driving.
I get FWD isn’t for everyone, and I’m not here to say that it’s the superior drivetrain and it’s actually the best for performance cars or whatever, I just want to say that dismissing a car primarily because it’s FWD is ridiculous. Now, I will openly admit that I’ve never driven a CTR, but I have driven a couple of very good FWD cars, and currently own one. I can certifiably say that FWD is so much better and so much more fun than most people think if the car is just engineered properly, with the purpose of being fun to drive.
I think the most important thing to keep in mind if you actually want to like a FWD performance car is that it is a different driving style to RWD. However, the best FWD cars will effectively tell you that through chassis communication and steering feedback. They tell you when you are and aren’t driving it properly.
So yeah, bottom line is I believe a shitload of people are extremely critical of FWD performance cars because they don’t seem to have experience in a truly great FWD car. Not just Honda and VW, either. The best of the best are definitely French hot hatches, and I know a lot of you from the US are gonna laugh at that (and some not from the US), but those who know, well, they know.
Wassy4444@reddit
Convinced a friend to get this car to replace his Supra since he wanted something with 4 doors. He was worried about FWD but has come to love the drive and handling more than the Supra. I appreciate that Honda still cares about driving inputs and the interior touch points. The seats and shifter don’t feel like afterthoughts or carry-overs like my M2 that was $59k new. New Ms finally figured the seats out but not the feedback and tactility.
That being said, the sound lacks any character and that’s a huge part of the driving experience for me. Give me a 987.2 Boxster Spyder instead in the $100k range. Even a Miata has more soul.
That being said,
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
Main reason why I passed on it. The car for all it does well, which tbf, is a lot, it sounds like a dying vacuum.
cock________________@reddit
i literally had an FL5 and got rid of it after a year solely because the (lack of) noise
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
Even the ITS doesn't improve it much. It's got pops sure, but it's still just lacking any real character and elicits very little feeling.
happyevil@reddit
I've been cross shopping a 2020 M2 CS and a GT350 and the BMW shifter is possibly the biggest negative I have against BMWs right now. Granted the Tremeck has become a living legend but still the M2 deserved so much better.
Porsche has had meh shifting experiences lately too. Mostly related to gear ratios. I enjoy rowing my Focus more than the last Porsche I drove.
Audi and Merc have none anymore.
I'm not sure what's going on in Germany but I'm pretty sure they've just given up on the manual as a country even for the few cars that still have it.
runbrap@reddit
Why not look into an S550 Mach 1? Get the more reliable Coyote vs Voodoo, still get tremec, and magnaride is standard! Looks sweet too
happyevil@reddit
the 2019-2020 Voodoo reliability is fine and it doesn't even drink oil.
Ford didn't acknowledge a v2 (probably because then they'd have to replace more engines) but the 2019+ GT350's basically got a fixed engine.
runbrap@reddit
I'd love a GT350 for one completely shallow reason... it has the pre-facelift headlights. Look so much better than the newer "sharp" ones.
Wassy4444@reddit
You can make the shifter better with a few inexpensive mods (like most cars), but it’s not going to be Tremec good. The S55 in the M2 CS is better paired with the DCT though, if you’d be ok without manual. It’s got most the tactility and mechanical aspects of the manual but obviously not as involving to not operate a clutch pedal.
I’d personally go GT350 from an enjoyment standpoint but the CS will probably hold value better over time if you plan to sell it, and less reliability risks.
bc10551@reddit
Tbf the g chassis BMWs are light years nicer inside than the f chassis ones
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
My company makes the seats for the X5/6/7 (I work in purchasing) and if the M2’s quality control is anything like it is for the X series… I can assure you the seats are anything but an afterthought, and BMW absolutely does not fuck around with any aspect of them.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Seats in the m2 (especially f87 comp) were an afterthought. It’s crooked cuz it wouldn’t fit in properly for crash testing. You get used to it but on long drives it sucks
Wassy4444@reddit
The angle adds character
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
They should have added more steering feel for character instead but we take what can get lol
Wassy4444@reddit
After I did coilovers and added a little bit of toe-in to the front, the steering provided both more resistance and road feel. Definitely not anywhere close to amazing, still feels like there’s an inch or two of foam diluting the input. Not completely devoid of feel anymore, but shouldn’t need to spend $3000+ to get some feel back.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Yea I have camber plates running -3 deg for track use. Still lacks feel unfortunately
cap7ainclu7ch@reddit
You flash the EPS yet? That and the thrust arm monoball does a lot for feel.
Wassy4444@reddit
Sorry, I meant in terms of bolstering. My car gets the base 2 series seats and they’re not supportive enough when you’re driving hard enough. Otherwise they are great, and definitely holding up after 8 years.
Ranchdiva@reddit
Used Blackwimg
Cowhide12@reddit
You can get a 3LT Corvette for ~$85k. Who in their right fucking mind is picking a type r over that? You can also get a ct5v blackwing for $103k, which breaks the “100k” part, but barely. The m3 is also easily available for under 100k. These people are fucking insane.
JEs4@reddit
>it’s as close to an uncrashable car as there’s ever been
I get why people enjoy the CTR so much but the author should have lead with this given his claims, or at least tried to soul search a bit more about why he might feel the way he does. I cut my teeth on fast front wheel drive cars, but I personally don’t think a car is a great driver’s car if there isn’t any sense of danger. I have a hard time considering my GRC a drivers car at all for what it’s worth.
equitymans@reddit
I actually agree with this very much lol I'm a Honda boy but yea when I read that I was like the fuck? 😂
S2000 it's old ass brother is a death trap low key and part of what brings that spice is the magic of its dynamics day to day.
dherps@reddit
the s2000...is not a death trap. it barely has 240 hp. fuck off
equitymans@reddit
Irrelevant. Snappy, etc... not an easy car at all to drive at limits. You having an ap1 saying that is so dumb. Considering guys who are total publicly known track rats say this about it, so do guys who drive everything in general.
The drive just made a video about snap oversteer being a myth and used the s2000 to illustrate since it's considered the most famous car maybe ever for it.
The same sort of wheelbase to width ratios and balancing that make it trailbrake beyond any car ever, etc plus cable throttle sensitivity, close gears etc etc all requiring focus and attention near limits.... yea, for most drivers to get in an ap1 or even ap2 I promise you it's a LOW KEY death trap for most drivers even at enthusiast level.
dherps@reddit
a car that is difficult to drive at the limits is not a "death trap"
equitymans@reddit
I agree with you but don't you also agree that when the car is so clearly optimal at said limits (power peak at 8 grand, pretty clearly hates to be driven slow around town lol etc) then it can still qualify as what I called it? "Low key death trap" haha
I agree it's a little 240hp car etc man but idk you can deff fuck yours self up in it easily I think relative to most sports cars. I haven't driven a ton personally, and I just recently got an ap1 myself and as you said I've had no bad experiences or scares so far at all but I'm also pretty careful 😂 I'm a granny for sure. But dude just the throttle response alone I can tell in "fast" situations in the future will be an interesting variable haha
I'm not saying it's a dodge viper or something, but low key? I think it can pass for that for sure lol
dherps@reddit
the car feels faster than it is. if you take a random non-car enthusiast and redline it to 40-50 mph, more often than not that person will think he's on a jet fighter. that's why the s2000 is revered - the way it makes you feel with its sound, weight, acceleration and steering.
it's supposed to be that any sports car you drive at the limit puts you close to death. that's the intended purpose. it just happens to be over the past 10-15 years there have been so many safety advancements that you can basically slam into a wall at 80mph and expect to walk away. well the s2000 wasn't built that way. yes, its dangerous at the limit. it's supposed to be. it's not a death trap.
equitymans@reddit
All of these words are subjective lol I think it passes as one. Most auto media etc seem to agree when they speak on it. The point is, many people classify it that way. You can think it's not and that's perfectly ok 😂
chadwicke619@reddit
To offer another perspective, this is exactly what I love about my CTR so much. One of the things, anyway. On the street, you can drive it as hard as you want and it’s virtually impossible to encounter the limit, but you’re free to try because all the while, you’re at basically no risk of losing either end of the car. I can plant my foot into the accelerator mid turn and it will just drag me right along. The confidence it inspires is just next level. At the same time, it puts up lap times better than every car in its immediate price category, and lands within seconds of all the fabled cars $20K above it like the 4BW and the M2.
So yeah, I just don’t agree that the sense of danger is what spirited driving is about. I also don’t think driving a GRC is even remotely like driving a CTR, so maybe that’s part of it.
rugbyfiend@reddit
Well you are welcome to pull a lift off oversteer manoeuvre if you are feeling frisky. Closest I've ever come to losing it on track. Can always counter steer and power out before stability grabs you though.
Ok-Examination3168@reddit
No FWD car is the best drivers car period
Halofieldfan@reddit
You’re right, the best drivers car won’t be FWD but I surely love mine. Fun and still practical, just wish a 6 speed existed.
Hnry_Dvd_Thr_Awy@reddit
How I feel saying that sometimes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/%22Freedom_of_Speech%22_-NARA-_513536.jpg
Ok-Examination3168@reddit
It just cannot be
-Ev1l@reddit
My people
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
I would normally agree. However the options for a sub 100k “driver’s car” are so incredibly limited, plus the Type R is such a good car fundamentally, that I don’t think it’s a crazy take
Mainly because for a lot of people like me, a manual is a requirement for an engaging driver’s car… that alone cuts the list lots. And, with the Cayman gone, pretty much every other option left is is a big, heavy sedan or coupe, with a couple sports cars sprinkled in which all have their own major flaws in this respect.
Not saying I agree with the Type R take, however I think it’s pretty valid to be honest
Ok-Examination3168@reddit
M2
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
I’d go for a Z4 Handschalter over an M2.
dang_it_bobby93@reddit
Agreed, love my EN but RWD is the better format or AWD rear bias. This feels like the evolved version of I can beat any car by putting 5k in a civic crowd.
Ok-Examination3168@reddit
Elantra N looks very fun. lol at the second sentence
wut_eva_bish@reddit
GR86/BRZ every day over the Hyundai FWDer. Turbo or SC if u need more than 240Whp.
Shoopin@reddit
under 100k…?
these journos are desperate for clickbait theyre straight up lying now
huffalump1@reddit
But they even said "no clickbait"...
At least this article doesn't COMPLETELY stink of "copy paste the first crappy ChatGPT output you get"... But he doesn't do a great job explaining WHY the Type R is actually better than the other cars, in any specific aspect beyond just telling us that it is.
I know, I know, journalism has been dead for a while... But, cmon, I want to know what it's actually like to drive these cars, and especially how they're different.
Shoopin@reddit
I honestly think this is a new low for car journalists
snowaston@reddit
Hmmm.. but it's still a Civic designed by a 13 year old kid at the back of the class with nothing better to do.
bikedork5000@reddit
Gimme a certified used Integra Type S at about $48k instead. I get why some people like the wing but it's just too silly for my taste.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
I like the wing cuz I’m getting old but still want to be whimsical :(
bikedork5000@reddit
Totally fair! To each their own.
BabylonianKnight@reddit
GR Corolla enters the chat..
lique_madique@reddit
I daily one and it’s not in the top 10 of cars I’d buy under $100,000
ducky21@reddit
If you have literally anything more fun to drive on a track, that's probably more fun than my FK8 was on track. An NA Miata is way slower, but you probably also don't need to have the heater blasting for a TNiA in Texas or Florida in an NA Miata.
I traded my FK8 for my 6MT 2.0T Accord. I wouldn't trade my Accord for another Type R.
lique_madique@reddit
I honestly haven’t even had the strong desire to track the CTR. It fills my niche needs otherwise I’d have traded it in by now.
DarkMatterM4@reddit
Tell me about your built RS3. Trying to convince my wife to get one.
bc10551@reddit
Every time I think about rs3s, I remember the m2 exists for not that much more and is a much more fun car (obviously two less doors but ngl the rs3 back seats feel more cramped). There's a lot of good deals for rs3s according to reddit though. Like over 10% off new. I don't get how the used 8y are all around that price too when you can just get a new one lol
lique_madique@reddit
It’s an 8V with a simple stage 1 motor build and full supporting mods. It’s an absolute blast to drive, sounds amazing, and has been bulletproof.
DarkMatterM4@reddit
Good to hear. About how much power is that good for? As you can see for my flair, I know jack and shit about VW products.
StrongOnline007@reddit
How many miles on your 8V? Thinking of keeping my RS3 long term even though I said I’d never do that with an Audi
lique_madique@reddit
55K miles now
StrongOnline007@reddit
happy to hear it did not fall apart at 50,001
lique_madique@reddit
Not yet. A friend made it to like 197,000 miles, threw a full frame turbo on it, and 10 miles later blew it up.
acog@reddit
I love the sound of the Audi inline-5, so musical.
Uptons_BJs@reddit
I donno, drove this car a bit, the ride and suspension lets it down on anything but the smoothest roads.
It feels too hard - there are cars under 6 figures that can handle potholes and bumps with more aplomb.
imped4now@reddit
265/35R19 --> 255/40R18 + DE5 ADM makes all the difference in the world in regards to living with the car in the real world.
bc10551@reddit
People on here can't comprehend that luxury stuff actually costs more money for a reason lmao. They're like why does x car only perform the same as y car for 20k more? Maybe cause x car has actual creature comforts and is still a luxury car at the same time. That in itself is an accomplishment imo being able to get close to the same performance while being a much more refined car outside of spritied driving
ducky21@reddit
It's mostly a lot of early 20s dudes who literally just want the fastest and the coolest and the cheapest.
I remember being that guy, so whatever.
Penuwana@reddit
I mean, that's kinda the point though, no? Though.. I can agree Honda could have had a softer "comfort" setting.
Many people swap in the ITS dampening module for that reason.
SarcasticOptimist@reddit
The Integra was supposed to be that smoother one. I wonder if the Elantra TCR could be a decent alternative.
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
Banned. No disparaging this car on this sub.
SchruteFarmsBeetDown@reddit
Maybe in a “one car to do everything” situation, sure. I can get behind that.
But if you can swing two cars I can think of better ways to spend $50k+
SpaceBoJangles@reddit
I mean…no?
<$50,000 I guarantee you can find a used Chevy SS or a used Cadillac V. There are Kia Stingers by the boatload in the $30,000 range and enough Golf Rs retake France (bad joke, I know XD).
This headline is rage bait and goddamn did it work on me.
SchruteFarmsBeetDown@reddit
The civic can be had new. Easier to finance. Stick. 4 doors and reasonably efficient and practical. I can see why someone would buy it.
The Chevy and caddy are boats compared to a civic. The Kia is a Kia. Golf r is fine but a little soulless and calculated.
huffalump1@reddit
RIP to WRX wagons for "do everything" cars
Another_Floridaman@reddit
Miata.
huffalump1@reddit
Yup, a Miata or 86 is like the price of a loaded regular Civic, and some of the best feeling driver's cars you can buy.
Unless you want more power. But still, under $100,000... There are so many options
Big claim from this headline and it's working to get clicks
Ecsta@reddit
Or unless you want to beat a minivan from light to light.
SpaceBoJangles@reddit
Miata is comfortably ahead of a Honda Odyssey by a second, so you can rest easy there bud that is hairdressers are still zooming.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Yes.
Winjum@reddit
Damn you have my ideal driver car lineup. Type R for daily, M2 for roadtrips, Miata for top down driving. All good weekend cars
Old_Ad_881@reddit
Miata with a supercharger and 10k in suspension mods.
IndyPara@reddit
Nah that title goes to the f8x chassis bmws
DeeYumTofu@reddit
100k opens up the door quite a bit. You’d be crazy to take this over a m2.
J_NonServiam@reddit
It'd be a CT4V for me. Steering feel is really important at that price point.
rugbyfiend@reddit
Why not both!
DeeYumTofu@reddit
Great lineup
linkheroz@reddit
I'd rather buy 3 MX5s 😂
RandomUserReddit2025@reddit
That price is crazy!
Ghepardo@reddit
“Fwd is anti-driving.” I’ll take any rwd car over the Type R.
UmaThurmish@reddit
or even awd. FWD is just the worst "Drivers" car.
at 100K, you're looking at M2, Nissan Z, Supra, Miata. GRC, and a few more
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
At $100k, you are basically at CT5V Blackwing pricing also...
Calm_Mobile_5881@reddit
Tesla MSP all day long over the 🦖🦕cars
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
No thanks
Calm_Mobile_5881@reddit
My last car was a GRC. They’re fun
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
And I'd take one over a Tesla any day lol.
Calm_Mobile_5881@reddit
It’s all good. Nice to have choices
DarkMatterM4@reddit
How's the clutch pedal feel on that thing?
Calm_Mobile_5881@reddit
I hear ya. Drove a clutch for decades.
Doesntmattaaa@reddit
Nah a used f80 m3 is
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
Don't even have to go used.
You can get an almost fully loaded 6 speed G80 M3 for just under $100k.
Negative_Acadia6554@reddit
Rage bait title to drive engagement.
Ecsta@reddit
Look at the comments, its working lol
Nostra_Damoose@reddit
New, perhaps!
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit
Even new, $100k gets you some pretty incredible cars.
CT5V Blackwing starts just over $100k, but even if the limit is $100k, you can get a CT4V Blackwing, M2, M3, M4, all for under $100k, and all of them are true RWD Manual cars.
costafilh0@reddit
No it's not.
Different_Run3017@reddit
Too may kids in the comments with :
As a current owner of the Type R and a current and past owner of a few other cars (911,C8,M2,M3)
They all serve a purpose and use case. I sold my G87 M2 for the Type R and never looked back - my use case was back road canyon carving and taking it to Mont tremblant track 3-4x a year. For this use case it was a lot more fun and that’s why I did it. If I was into cars and coffee and highway miles then it would have been the other way around.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Don’t worry someone will come and tell you’re wrong about the cars you’ve owned lol
Baby-girl-54321@reddit
Plenty of faster cars out there, but very few that feel this connected to drive.
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
You ever get the feeling that car reviewers are completely out of fucking touch with how expensive cars have become?
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Their job isn't to be objective.
Their job is to drive clicks to advertisements on their website.
huffalump1@reddit
Yup. I was gonna say, "cars.com sells cars"... But mainly they sell ADVERTISEMENTS
tpknight2@reddit
If you have $100K to spend on a car, no way you select a Civic over a M2, RS3, Cayman, or Corvette.
Different_Run3017@reddit
I did - the g87 m2 was ass. Crazy fast but everything else 🙄. Felt heavy like a pig and manual gearbox was horrible
LostMyPig@reddit
If you need 4 doors then you can easily pick it over an M2, Cayman, and Corvette. If you want long term reliability with the maintenance cost of a Honda you are easily picking it over any of the 4.
TreesACrowd@reddit
All of those cars are reliable, and the maintenance costs of a C8 aren't much higher than a CTR. Nobody in the market for a six-figure car should be scared by the maintenance cost of any of those.
devastationz@reddit
something something john cena
mgobla@reddit
This is ridiculous. They should be fired.
Sarniezz@reddit
That's such a dumb take it's 100% for engagement. Not clicking on that link.
P_992@reddit
Comparing a Civic to Porsches.... 😆
alohroh@reddit
I daily a FL5 CTR and this is not true... I've driven alot of manual cars and while the shifter is decent, its far from tactile. Putting in an Acuity shifter was my first mod and honestly I think its one of the most noticeable changes that really improve the experience with the car. I thought the stock shifter felt way too light and didnt have a satisfying feel when going into gears which is why it was one of the first things that I wanted to change.
Jordan_Jackson@reddit
Is it just me or does the spoiler on the Civic just look out of place and goofy? That screws up the whole car for me.
Mustang2883738828278@reddit
Really? Better than Porsche? Lotus? Corvette? BMW?
K_R_A_K_E_N_540@reddit
Yeah a Model 3 performance is significantly better in every aspect
wut_eva_bish@reddit
FWD lol
ApolloPredditor@reddit
Here come Elantra n owners coming to cry why it’s not their car instead
Careless-Trick-5117@reddit
Not a single one of us thinks the N should have won this.
humdizzle@reddit
Its a great car for its intended purpose. But have you ever tried to do a 3 hour trip in any honda civic? Its loud af compared to nearly any car on the market besides an 86. Its also wrong wheel drive. Its mpg is pretty bad for a 4 cylinder 3000 pound car... especially compared to b58 cars.
Understanding-Fair@reddit
It's a pretty incredible car when you're pushing it hard. Wicked fast at an autocross, for example. Not the comfiest thing for daily driving though.
g-4-ces@reddit
Under 100k? Hmm. Porsche Cayman/Boxster come to mind.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Under $100k is kinda stretching it for a Cayman/ booster. They were my first options and I could not find anything that was worth it and wasn’t also 10 years old.
epsiblivion@reddit
the current (now discontinued) generation is now 10 years old and has not really changed since it was released. as long as it was maintained, a 10 year old cayman/boxster is the same as it was 10 years ago.
NONFATBACON@reddit
If they still made it.
klowny@reddit
Bout to say this, the 718 is out of production now.
vw18t@reddit
Cayman/718 is done we won’t see another generation until 2029
RealKevinJames@reddit
Did you open the review at all? Lol
“I genuinely believe the current-generation Honda Civic Type R is the best-driving new car under $100,000. Yes, better than a BMW M2, and better than any Chevrolet Corvette, too. I’d even take a Civic Type R over a Porsche 718 Cayman or Boxster S — and if you’ve read any of my Porsche reviews, you know that statement carries as much weight as a cruise ship anchor.”
Nashvegas@reddit
It's getting hard to spec a 718 under $100k. I tried and got a CT-4V Blackwing instead.
Chineseunicorn@reddit
You can’t spec a 718 anymore period.
jondes99@reddit
There’s a perfectly good headline, who has time to read?
wutevahung@reddit
A civic type r is now 50k???
ConsistentMove357@reddit
Stock Corvette or civic r I know what I am taking
HoraceGrand@reddit
What about the WRX?
grownadult@reddit
Impossible, it’s FWD
NA_V8@reddit
I owned an Integra Type-S. Not exactly a CTR but pretty dang close. I wouldn't even put it in the top 25 cars under 100k, what is even going on?
india2wallst@reddit
Bro Honda dealers are selling the souped up Civic for 75k CAD. This car might be great but what's the point if your average enthusiast can't buy it ?
SpaceBoJangles@reddit
This is a bold statement when the C8 CORVETTE exists.
_imyour_dad@reddit
Yeahhhhhh I’m taking my M2 7 ways from Sunday
ikilledtupac@reddit
Honda paid good money for this review
Chaprito@reddit
100k?! Yeah... I'ma stick to my old school Honda del sol I got for 5k.
Schiissdraeck@reddit
Bro has never driven a Porsche 718 /Cayman.
StrongOnline007@reddit
It’s a good car, I owned one, but this is just… not true
joe_canadian@reddit
I wish Hyundai still made the Veloster N. 2020 PCOTY. It's a fantastic balance of fun but practical.
Jaboogada@reddit
Fellow biased opinion here but yeah, insane value for the amount of fun it is to drive
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
For me, I would take the Teggy Type S, but I’m glad these are still around.
Ilddit@reddit
Why?
komrobert@reddit
A lot of people think Integra looks better. Exhaust is a bit more pronounced. Interior is like half a step above the Civic aside from maybe the seats. Performance is pretty much identical and you can get a chip to unlock the most aggressive suspension mode from the type R, since they use the same controller.
And to top it all off they’re easier to find at/under MSRP.
FuriousKimchi@reddit
i think the type s is also better to daily no? better sound system, better creature comforts. I think the look of it wins too imo, the 3 tip exhaust in center is sexy. But I think the type R would hold better value. Depending on how scrarce the type s is.
the4ner@reddit
Yes, it's not hard to find an ITS for mid ~46-47k
komrobert@reddit
Lowest I’ve seen new is around 52K, are you talking about used? At 46-47 new I might pick one up myself lol
the4ner@reddit
I bought my '25 last september for $46.5. I'm in PA where these cars don't sell - mine had been sitting on the lot for 7 months.
Ilddit@reddit
Isn't this well below msrp? Im just looking for a fun non-track car and if they're the same price considering the Type R markup I might go for the Integra.
teggyteggy@reddit
Because it's literally the same car, except a bit nicer. Nicer stereo, nicer exterior (subjectively), softer suspension, better sounding exhaust. The seats are a downgrade though.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
It’s the same car but slightly tarted up. Better audio, heads up display, a little more sound insulation, leather seats, more comfortable suspension. If you don’t care about anything like that the type r might be the better option. The type R looks a bit cooler IMO.
swampfox94@reddit (OP)
Same same but different
jondes99@reddit
ITS is a Big Mac with extra pickles, to the CTR’s plain Big Mac.
ButtholeSurfur@reddit
Its a Baconator with extra bacon.
Phazushift@reddit
Yeah but then I see the normal Integra gauges and I cry.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Really. A rwd or awd vw m340 or 440 is better. And you get change back from your 100k. Also m3 base is 79k.
ezagreb@reddit
Thanks for contributing to the continued markup for this fine automobile and making it even harder for the average job to obtain one
ZM326@reddit
And the average Job has it hard enough
willpc14@reddit
But Job's trials were just part of God's plan /s
TheReaperSovereign@reddit
Owned an fk8 for 5 years. Good fun but rather lacking as a daily tbh. Hondas handling of its multiple recalls really pissed me off too.
howyinzdoingnat@reddit
WHAT ABOUT THE PRELUDE?!
Shmokesshweed@reddit
It's the best hybrid Civic above 40k.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
Click bait.
Known_Fee8989@reddit
Type R is nice
hopfield@reddit
I sold mine for a GTI. It was too harsh as a daily and $50k was too expensive for FWD. It’s killer on the track though
Latios19@reddit
I think categorizing it at 100k top is out of the formula. You can have for example a Giulia QV and it eats the civic is every aspect but the interior space of course. Or many some of the German brands too.
Asleep-Use-7336@reddit
hard to argue with it at that price point, nothing else under 50k drives this well new
SecretPantyWorshiper@reddit
I have one and I agree. It just does everything so well and it balances it well.
olmoscd@reddit
i remember when the CTR came out i got a used example with 1,700 miles on it and paid $35K. someone bought it and immediately traded it back in.
the reason i bought it on the spot was because it was just such a fucking awesome car to drive.
i got shit on by r/cars
literally so many comments said i was stupid to pay so much money for it.
i loved that car. i drove it for a year, including the tail of the dragon, and sold it for $34K.
do not listen to redditors! lol
DangerousAd7295@reddit
Does this include all the Chinese EV cars?
Sounds like this review is North American biased.
randeus@reddit
Author said the car is uncrashable to drive (similarly I’ve seen people say the Type R is too serious) and I can see that as a serious downside to a fun car. I feel like you want a bit of edge or danger to a fun car, like being able to slide out the back end at will. Personally, I also want a good exhaust note in a fun car if you’re going to be pushing it.
I felt the same about the C8 stingray I test drove. Great car, but it felt too safe for a car with that much power and the exhaust even in track was way too muted.
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
I'm a big Honda fan, but there are definitely better driving cars out there for $100k.
The CTR is still an excellent driving car and Honda has shown just how far FWD has come. In the dry that is. Once you show the car some wet conditions, it's gonna struggle to put down that 310 hp. That's where it's AWD rivals shine.
I really wanted to buy one, and came close a few times, but the lack of stuff like heated seats or a wheel really turned me off. Hell, the rear seats don't even match the fronts. Not ok for a car that goes for nearly $50k.
The engine just does not feel special either. Big part of the experience for me, and I'm just not a fan of the generic, appliance like sounds the K20C1 makes. Even with an exhaust it's still nothing I'd really look twice at. I really miss their old high reving NA screamers.
racerviii@reddit
Too bad it looks ugly. Fourth to sixth generation Civics were peak Honda.
ActionQuinn@reddit
Ron Burgandy - I don't believe you
sleepingmime@reddit
Just like my 2003 Audi rs6 with 300k is the best driving car for me under $300,000 thousand.
Welikeme23@reddit
I wish I liked the way they look
bane_undone@reddit
Cool story bro
Fuman20000@reddit
There’s literally dozens of better driving cars than a FWD Honda Civic.
Uncle_Hephaestus@reddit
you can get alot for less than 100k
cock________________@reddit
i loved my FL5 but it just sounded so bad
IMA_5-STAR_MAN@reddit
Mazda has a car called a Miata. I hear it's rather fun.
SickAndTiredOf2021@reddit
Why wouldn’t you just pick the Integra Type S if you’re going to say 100k?
It’s the more refined version
Angry_Robot@reddit
No it isn’t.
noahbrooksofficial@reddit
Hmm. Miata.
macgirthy@reddit
The ct5 blackwing was under 100k. Im taking that for under 100k. Used one would suffice!!!
VariationAgreeable29@reddit
Listen, I get the side-eye in here but we gotta give credit to Honda to sticking to the philosophy for DECADES. Few are the mass market automakers who refuse to let these spiritual torch-bearers die. Toyota couldn’t do it with the MR2, Celica, or even Supra. The Nissan Z is a stale boring joke. Mitsu Evo long gone. Even Chevy couldn’t keep Camaro going (Chevy figuring Corvette should and could be their 911 and thus worth 10000% of the engineering talents). Hat tip to them (and to Ford for the Mustang). The Civic Type R is a legend and an icon.
PhotographyPhil@reddit
I had the bread van version the UK in ~ 2004. It was the greatest then and don’t think much has changed.
moldy912@reddit
Sorry many other cars I’d rather have regardless. M2 is definitely towards the top
AndreLeGeant88@reddit
I got a M240 after looking closely/hard at the Civic R. I passed because I live somewhere with terrible stop and go traffic such that I didn't want to deal with a manual. I also considered a CT4-V Blackwing but that engine's reliability is a bit mixed and, again, manual. The only other cars I'd seriously have considered over a 2-series is the Golf R (totally different aesthetically and not what I wanted), a Blackwing with auto (over priced as the manual is a main attraction), or the Elantra N (good DCT but Hyundai reliability on what is still an economy car platform). That all said, I really love the current Civic.
dooit@reddit
I was genuinely excited for this article because I was thinking about getting a fun car with back seats for the family instead of spending too much on a 2 door that only I would enjoy. I left the article feeling anxious because I feel like it's a hot wheels car version of a Civic. It's loud visually to me and doesn't have the stats to really back it up which screams ricey to me. 10 years ago I could probably get geeked up for this car and its 310 hp. I think FWD is really killing it for me. I would probably spend a few more thousand and get an Integra Type S and feel a little more luxurious.
I probably should have never sold my Subaru.
maxgeek@reddit
For a daily driver it maybe, but not from a pure driving experience. It has great utility with the large hatch. Manual is great, but it's still FWD, it's kind of large, and the seating position of a well a Civic.
edgyusernameguy@reddit
Im sure since this is reddit there will be no speculation about the authenticity here since its Honda.
GoldenState15@reddit
Gated v8 r8