Wow that seems like an incredibly lucky pick. The wave just brought the foredeck of the sailboat up to the right height? And did it before the sailboat passed the length of the freighter?
Also, the sea is such a gnarly thing. To be on that sailboat, so so close to someone chilling inside, listening to tunes, totally dry -- but nowhere near safe yourself...
I would play out two drag lines from the stern and button up and wait for the weather to clear before calling for help. Or if the boat can handle it, just try to heave to with just the mast and wheel tied over.
The boat can handle it, as long as you're not close to land. It's the people inside that are the soft spot. I'd put $100 on that boat still riding out that storm successfully with nobody aboard.
But honestly, if you think you need to get rescued, then you should get rescued. It's not just about what the boat can take.
Juryrigging. Have a sewing kit on board to sew the sail the sail back together. Having power tools, and a saw. You can figure out remaking your mast even if it's at a fraction of the height. As long as the boat isnt actively sinking.Its a lot harder when theres 1-2 people. But with a team where there's a will, there's a way. Or, ya know, just send an sos. Otherwise if you're in a race, and are still in the running and headset on finishing. You make do, there's always options. Different situations call for different fixes. Ive been in a few situations myself, backup steering, makeshift traveler, make shift spinnaker pole, re-drilled mounting points on the mast, make shift preventer, heck, sewed sails back up,etc. Ive only been racing for about 8 years too. Every race comes with its dangers and different situations.
Heck The US Navy sailed a freaking submarine like 100 miles with a sail made of bedsheets and a makeshift mast.
I think loss of steering is what really out them in harms way. Even without sails/engine, if you can orient yourself, you should be alright. But the ruder locked and getting thrashed sounds sketch lol
Unless the boat was truly sinking, it really seems like that crew was in more danger being rescued than they would have been laying ahull and waiting the storm out. They was an incredibly dangerous maneuver.
I'm definitely not judging them for the decisions they made in the moment - I cannot know their state of mind or thought process at the time. But I think it is useful to think about and discuss what we plan to do if we're ever in that situation. That rescue looked much more dangerous than I'd ever have expected, and that will definitely inform my decisions if I ever end up in a storm like this.
A boat with ripped up sails is still a floating boat. It would be much safer to drop a sea anchor to minimize drift, then tighten everything up and go down below and ride it out.
I both agree and disagree. It depends on alot more and i can't find enough context to make a call on what the absolute right call would have been. But a ripped sail is not good. A floating boat isn't necessary save in the long term. Sorry for my english, i'm still practising. I hope you understand.
How could the crew on the big ship be that stupid? That is the dumbest rescue i have ever seen. I would be so pissed off if I was the sailor here, even though I was being saved haha
If my only choice was to come up alongside the sailboats lee in big seas and have them jump onto the deck, i just wouldn't approach at all. This move easily could have ended in the sailor dying. You're crazy if you think this was a good call
Depends on so many factors. Do you have the food and water to limp into port with whatever propulsion & steering you can improvise? Can you expect rescue after the storm (high traffic area?) Is the boat actively sinking or is she sound?
I like the idea of waiting out the storm and jury rigging some sails and a rudder, but that's armchair sailing. I'd probably just piss myself and drown.
you forgot the whiskey for your last part....
Anyways if rudder is broken and plus engine the real danger is that you get the waves from the side.... but this maneuvar looks dangerous as hell, but maybe was the best option when facing such situations everyone from outside has good ideas but on the vessel you really think different and maybe already pissed yourself.
It was time for tropical cocktails in the ship's tiki lounge below decks. They gotta play their favorite (Exotica tunes)[https://youtu.be/kkZFXsy4h1w?si=FS2yAK4AF91ScMoP] to get in the mood.
Are you thinking of S/V Escape? That was as you described, but in the western Atlantic. All indications are this was about a year ago, and involved a relocation crew.
1) pass a line and bring crew across in life jackets/harnesses
2) deploy life raft and pick up astern
3) lower cargo nets for the sailors to grab/climb
4) drop supplies or safety equipment (pumps?) for sailboat to survive
5) probably a half dozen other bright ideas the coast guard uses for situations like this
Coming alongside put the crew in far greater danger than anything else. The sea state was rough but not dangerous for the sailboat, but the freighter nearly killed them and did a pretty good job destroying the boat. NEVER bring a sailboat alongside a freighter, even in mild seas, because...well it's pretty obvious from the video. Masts kill people when they fall.
chrisxls@reddit
Wow that seems like an incredibly lucky pick. The wave just brought the foredeck of the sailboat up to the right height? And did it before the sailboat passed the length of the freighter?
Also, the sea is such a gnarly thing. To be on that sailboat, so so close to someone chilling inside, listening to tunes, totally dry -- but nowhere near safe yourself...
cronokidlinck@reddit
No sails, no engine... Besides not putting yourself in that situation, what is the best way to handle this?
Backup sails, drouge, rope a couple of sea turtles and lash 'em together and made a raft?
Worried_Blacksmith27@reddit
unless there is a lee shore close the just ride it out if no damage to integrity of hull and no injuries.
Sinn_Sage@reddit (OP)
I would play out two drag lines from the stern and button up and wait for the weather to clear before calling for help. Or if the boat can handle it, just try to heave to with just the mast and wheel tied over.
jfinkpottery@reddit
The boat can handle it, as long as you're not close to land. It's the people inside that are the soft spot. I'd put $100 on that boat still riding out that storm successfully with nobody aboard.
But honestly, if you think you need to get rescued, then you should get rescued. It's not just about what the boat can take.
LoadCan@reddit
Sea anchor/drouge, and have an actual set of storm sails that you can throw out. The tattered main and fore on this thing look like regular sheets.
My deep water fiend boys all also carry a backup rudder of some sort as well
the__itis@reddit
Backup rudder via wind vane maybe
LoadCan@reddit
Mostly. Another has his head door rigged to drop onto the stern if he needs. It's actually pretty neat.
Where and what I sail I figure I'll just steer with the sails, and use an orr as leeboard thing if I really need to.
the__itis@reddit
Cats come with a spare by default 🤷🏻♂️
SimilarStrain@reddit
Juryrigging. Have a sewing kit on board to sew the sail the sail back together. Having power tools, and a saw. You can figure out remaking your mast even if it's at a fraction of the height. As long as the boat isnt actively sinking.Its a lot harder when theres 1-2 people. But with a team where there's a will, there's a way. Or, ya know, just send an sos. Otherwise if you're in a race, and are still in the running and headset on finishing. You make do, there's always options. Different situations call for different fixes. Ive been in a few situations myself, backup steering, makeshift traveler, make shift spinnaker pole, re-drilled mounting points on the mast, make shift preventer, heck, sewed sails back up,etc. Ive only been racing for about 8 years too. Every race comes with its dangers and different situations.
Heck The US Navy sailed a freaking submarine like 100 miles with a sail made of bedsheets and a makeshift mast.
I_hate_abbrev@reddit
What is the story of submarine, is this during ww2?
SimilarStrain@reddit
https://seahistory.org/sea-history-for-kids/sailing-a-submarine/
_Expenable_@reddit
Yes, in those conditions I would lash 4 turtles together, 4 turtle power is much better than 2tp
evilted@reddit
Instructions unclear. Used box turtles.
kiganas@reddit
Instructions unclear, a wholee bottle of turtle wax had no effect
skrrtman@reddit
That's almost double the turtle power
LakeEffekt@reddit
I think loss of steering is what really out them in harms way. Even without sails/engine, if you can orient yourself, you should be alright. But the ruder locked and getting thrashed sounds sketch lol
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
Probably just gotta lie ahull at that point. Or put up some storm sails and heave too
mologav@reddit
My exact question. Both go to starboard to stay off the weather?
Candygramformrmongo@reddit
Luck, skill, and courage in equal measure, I'd say.
IanSan5653@reddit
Unless the boat was truly sinking, it really seems like that crew was in more danger being rescued than they would have been laying ahull and waiting the storm out. They was an incredibly dangerous maneuver.
Powerful_Bluebird347@reddit
Armchair judgements are pretty unhelpful. You barely expressed any knowledge about seamanship and possible issues.
IanSan5653@reddit
I'm definitely not judging them for the decisions they made in the moment - I cannot know their state of mind or thought process at the time. But I think it is useful to think about and discuss what we plan to do if we're ever in that situation. That rescue looked much more dangerous than I'd ever have expected, and that will definitely inform my decisions if I ever end up in a storm like this.
PretendOwl3357@reddit
The sail is literally ripped apart. I would say that a rescue is the correct call. But it indeeds looks like a very dangerous maneuver.
Raneynickelfire@reddit
That's not what "stepping up into a liferaft" means my man.
IanSan5653@reddit
A boat with ripped up sails is still a floating boat. It would be much safer to drop a sea anchor to minimize drift, then tighten everything up and go down below and ride it out.
PretendOwl3357@reddit
I both agree and disagree. It depends on alot more and i can't find enough context to make a call on what the absolute right call would have been. But a ripped sail is not good. A floating boat isn't necessary save in the long term. Sorry for my english, i'm still practising. I hope you understand.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
They should have more sails, they should have lots of range by motor alone.... etc
AmigoDelDiabla@reddit
Well, it's only one ripped sail. They should have others.
You're right that not enough context is available, but having a ripped sail is not justification for abandoning ship.
PretendOwl3357@reddit
They absolutely should have indeed. But again i think context is needed.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
Either way they made a lot of mistakes, both in managing sails and in prepping their boat as it's obviously not ready for this trip.
nanneryeeter@reddit
Ripped sail just became a storm sail. These folks are just in over their heads.
dmootzler@reddit
That maneuver sank the boat and killed the two people who didn’t make it off, in fact.
Candygramformrmongo@reddit
Please provide a source as all results I find indicate this is false. S/V Swellraiser. 2 crew aboard, both rescued by the Caroline
Kibbles_n_Bombs@reddit
I appreciate the sanity check on this page. The original had so many people saying there were deaths.
HelicopterUpbeat5199@reddit
Say what? Link or something?
RedmundJBeard@reddit
Yeah. Very lucky, maybe a bad storm was coming or something.
trev5150@reddit
Trysail the jib, sea anchors out, motor to Kemer marina in the morning.
tlmbot@reddit
I mean, the second guy never made it off during the clip. (he's at the wheel during most of the "rescue" footage we see here)
ez_as_31416@reddit
Good job, ship crew.
fuc_boi@reddit
How could the crew on the big ship be that stupid? That is the dumbest rescue i have ever seen. I would be so pissed off if I was the sailor here, even though I was being saved haha
TheCaptainJ@reddit
How would you have done it, Ahab?
fuc_boi@reddit
If my only choice was to come up alongside the sailboats lee in big seas and have them jump onto the deck, i just wouldn't approach at all. This move easily could have ended in the sailor dying. You're crazy if you think this was a good call
bbauer1973@reddit
Did ye maneuver to create a lee? Aaaarrgh!
HelicopterUpbeat5199@reddit
Depends on so many factors. Do you have the food and water to limp into port with whatever propulsion & steering you can improvise? Can you expect rescue after the storm (high traffic area?) Is the boat actively sinking or is she sound?
I like the idea of waiting out the storm and jury rigging some sails and a rudder, but that's armchair sailing. I'd probably just piss myself and drown.
LemmyUserOnReddit@reddit
This is the second time in this thread someone's said "jury rigging" so I feel obligated to give this PSA:
The correct term is "jerry rigging"
HelicopterUpbeat5199@reddit
I believe both are correct.
grundgerangel@reddit
you forgot the whiskey for your last part....
Anyways if rudder is broken and plus engine the real danger is that you get the waves from the side.... but this maneuvar looks dangerous as hell, but maybe was the best option when facing such situations everyone from outside has good ideas but on the vessel you really think different and maybe already pissed yourself.
ultimate_zigzag@reddit
Define “saving” in this context
homurtu@reddit
Found this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/thfquhnC9hI that shows the rescue of both survivors
xaranetic@reddit
Sea looks like it had calmed by the time they rescued the skipper.
SallyCinnamon88@reddit
I think I heard somewhere that typically the tanker would pick up from the windward side (helping to shield the boat) or am I incorrect?
mystictroll@reddit
What is this chill music?
ostensiblyzero@reddit
It's an instrumental cover of Charlie XCX's 365 done for the show Bridgerton. Link
Auggie_Otter@reddit
It was time for tropical cocktails in the ship's tiki lounge below decks. They gotta play their favorite (Exotica tunes)[https://youtu.be/kkZFXsy4h1w?si=FS2yAK4AF91ScMoP] to get in the mood.
Level_Improvement532@reddit
Just keeping the vibe in the wheelhouse at the right level for a high stakes rescue at sea.
jocrow1996@reddit
Wasn’t this years ago? The German couple that got injured and later died?
turklish@reddit
July of 2022
drunken_yinzer@reddit
Are you thinking of S/V Escape? That was as you described, but in the western Atlantic. All indications are this was about a year ago, and involved a relocation crew.
jocrow1996@reddit
Oh okay, my bad. Thank you!
n3w1ight@reddit
Damn, he left this beautiful boat... Gotta go out to claim it 😍🤣
whyrumalwaysgone@reddit
This is insanely dangerous. Many better options:
1) pass a line and bring crew across in life jackets/harnesses
2) deploy life raft and pick up astern
3) lower cargo nets for the sailors to grab/climb
4) drop supplies or safety equipment (pumps?) for sailboat to survive
5) probably a half dozen other bright ideas the coast guard uses for situations like this
Coming alongside put the crew in far greater danger than anything else. The sea state was rough but not dangerous for the sailboat, but the freighter nearly killed them and did a pretty good job destroying the boat. NEVER bring a sailboat alongside a freighter, even in mild seas, because...well it's pretty obvious from the video. Masts kill people when they fall.
FrostnJack@reddit
There's someone else aboard the yacht... how'd they get onto the tanker? Yipe, that's wild.
Dave69looking@reddit
What type of sailboat? Looks like a 40+ Farr design
Risc_Terilia@reddit
According to the comments on the other sub only one was saved and two died