Who benefited from the collapse of Yugoslavia?
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Give me your wildest conspiracy theories
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Give me your wildest conspiracy theories
Odd-Organization-740@reddit
I know some Bulgarians who became rich by smuggling sanctioned goods into Yugoslavia, such as fuel. There were so many schemes going on.
Bright-Self-8049@reddit
I grew up in eastern Serbia, very close to the border with Bulgaria. There wasnt a single adult male in the 90s that wasn’t smuggling from Bulgaria. But that helped us stay alive so we are thankful.
medved76@reddit
Slovenia
mihacamper@reddit
Yes true. In Yugoslavia we had the strongest economy and had to contribute a lot of funds to less developed republics, which were allocated by central government. A lot of wealth generated here in Slovenia, was never spend on our infrastructure or our people. We also could not take our good position in central Europe, because the economy was relatively closed. Yes the few years after independence were rough economically, but besides that we are much better off now.
MisterWithTwister@reddit
Im Slovenian and i can confirm
medved76@reddit
But you still have Žižek
Lamariss@reddit
Germany. They didn't have colonies, so ex YU become one for them.
Anna_akademika@reddit
EU and USA
Pellumbpilinci@reddit
Not, Serbians for sure.
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
*Serbs.
No-Narwhal-60@reddit
Dont get why you are being downvoted, Serbs is the correct word. People also dont say Croatians when they talk about Croats.
Anna_akademika@reddit
I only hear Croatian when they talk about culture, like people say Croatian holidays/dresses, etc but Croat for people
kavastoplim@reddit
I think I hear Croatians much more than Croats tbh
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
Facts
riquelm@reddit
Spain: Spain planned and executed collapse of Yugoslavia and then was able to capitalize and become the leading sports nation in Europe, especially in football and basketball
Anna_akademika@reddit
Well, as someone with a mother from Spain, this makes sense....
Oldeuboi91@reddit
But... Yugoslavia was never a leading football nation?
riquelm@reddit
Was to become in the 1990s and beyond - 1987 U21 World champions, qualified for Euro 1992 beating Denmark, who ended up participating instead of Yugoslavia and WON. Few years later Croatia was 3rd in the World Cup with the core from that team etc. Of course, this is a joke post, God knows what will actually happen, but the ingredients were there.
Oldeuboi91@reddit
I mean Yugoslavia finished 3rd behind France and Bulgaria in the 1986 World Cup qualifiers. We also had a World Cup semifinal in the 90s. Nobody would say we were a leading football nation.
Also Steuea was more successful than Crvena Zvezda with 2 European Cup finals, losing the second one to Sacchi's Milan, one of the best teams of all time. Nobody would say Romania was a leading football nation.
I would agree on basketball (Serbia is still very good though) but Yugoslavia was never a powerhouse in football.
riquelm@reddit
I see that abstract thinking is a strange concept to you, so let me explain it this way.
Imagine if Spain had broken apart in 2007. That was not completely unrealistic, considering Catalonia’s independence movement and, historically, the Basque question as well.
Now think about the Spain team that dominated that era. They won Euro 2008, the 2010 World Cup, and Euro 2012. But that team had many key players from Catalonia and the Basque region.
Could Spain have won the 2010 World Cup without Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Piqué, Puyol, Xabi Alonso and I think Capdevilla? I really doubt it.
But on the other side, could Catalonia alone have won it without Casillas, Ramos, Xabi Alonso, David Villa, Fernando Torres, and others? Probably not either. Maybe they could have finished third, like Croatia did in 1998.
That is exactly what I am trying to say about Yugoslavia.
The generation that was coming through in Yugoslav football was genuinely fantastic. They had already won the youth World Cup. Red Star won the European Cup with several young players. Then Yugoslavia qualified for Euro 1992 by finishing ahead of Denmark. But because they were banned from the tournament, Denmark took their place and ended up winning the whole thing.
After the breakup, you can see what happened. Croatia easily qualified for Euro 1996 amd reached knocout stages, and then finished third at the 1998 World Cup with Suker being a top scorer. Yugoslavia also qualified for the 1998 World Cup and reached the knockout stage, as well in Euro 2000 where Milosevic was top scorer. Tiny Slovenia qualified for both the European Championship and the World Cup around that period.
Players from the former Yugoslavia went on to win the Champions League with other clubs too. Some of them were even near the second of the Ballon d’Or rankings, like Savićević and Mijatović who brought back Champions league to Real Madrid after 30+ years scoring an only goal in CL final.
So yes, that was a fantastic generation.
Would Yugoslavia have definitely won a major tournament? I don’t know. Probably not. Definitely not guaranteed, especially because of all the internal problems that were always happening.
But was there a serious chance that Yugoslavia could have won something and been a football powerhouse for at least ten years?
Yes. There was a very real chance.
GranDaddyPurpleee@reddit
Bro was just salty Bulgaria was never a part of Yugoslavia xDD
JRJenss@reddit
And Croatia was 2nd at the World Cup 20 years after the 1998. one in France. A Yugo league at the very least would be cool...if we were normal people
riquelm@reddit
Yeah, unfortunately, if, if, if doesn't exist :(
PapaStorm@reddit
I would say Denmark. They gained the spot for the European Championship in football, and won it in the end!
jotakajk@reddit
You sent us Bojan Krkic, so draw
-Passenger-@reddit
damn I found you here lmao
you are the one "Köln will win and show everyone its the Goat" guy....
lmfao you're hilarious
jotakajk@reddit
Köln will win, only 3 days left for total supremacy
-Passenger-@reddit
efx187@reddit
Back then: the U.S. and the EU
Simply because, in the past, Yugoslavia was the first point of contact in the non-aligned countries. No matter what the issue was.
Today: China. They are currently outpacing the U.S. in these areas.
ESC-H-BC@reddit
This video talks about if Yugoslavia was economically viable or not.
https://youtu.be/1vlAIdsh37k?si=PAT-35w_tIFSRep_
ESC-H-BC@reddit
European Union.
Martha_Fockers@reddit
Political Elites: Nationalist leaders and political structures in the newly created nations often secured long-term power and engaged in privatization, which sometimes benefited them and their associates (crony capitalism).
mixony@reddit
The word sometimes is doing a lot of heavy lifting
alkorisno@reddit
All capitalism is crony. When they sold these companies to germans and itslians, their companies took over entire ex yu region. Politicians just took their cut
x-rascal-x@reddit
thank you. Fuck neoliberalism.
Electronic_Wind_3254@reddit
Neoliberalism is for privatizations and a free market, but is against monopolies.
What happened in these countries is that people in positions of power gave economic power to their friends and families and formed monopolies over key sectors.
This crony capitalism/oligarchy. Not neoliberalism.
alkorisno@reddit
Any decent economy book will tell you that without government intervention inequlity grows in a free market and you get a monopoly.
Galikos_Kelt@reddit
And USA isn't any better
thefriendlyhacker@reddit
It's all just capitalism, you can call it whatever flavor you want, but it doesn't change the structure.
Extension-Marzipan83@reddit
There are huge differences between the various flavors of capitalism. Ours is early-stage Balkan flavor.
Double-Weight-6395@reddit
Well said. My albanian friend. Also, foreign powers especially Germany who took over whole payment and banking system. All transactions going via Germany now. They have a percent if someone farts in any post yugo contry
ZeistyZeistgeist@reddit
As a Croat - this is Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) in a nutshell.
Words cannot describe how much that cancerous party stole from the Croatian populace in their 36 years of existence. Just on all the political scandals and affairs alone, it numbers almost a 100 billion euro in total, before even calculating how much we lost from dogshit management, rampant cronyism and nepotism, and the fact that the Croatian supreme juidicary is staffed with HDZ loyalists. They are the political and economical elite that permanently entrenched itself, and we cannot get rid of them. And they sold off much of state property to private hands as well.
One very bitter pill to swallow is how easy they can dominate the local elections outside major cities by a way of nationalist propaganda and painting the left as yugonostalgic communists. We simply do not have an effective opposition party - SDP (Party of Democratic Change), which is centre-left, is so comically inept one would believe they are paid opposition, but HDZ does use paid opposition; like clockwork, during every parliamentary election cycle, a new "grassroots" right-wing party, either radical economical reformists or radical right-wing nationalists, will sprout up, campaign hard on anti-corruption and anti-HDZ reform, they will win enough seats so HDZ does not have a supermajority, then they will do a 180° and collab with HDZ once election cycle ends. The new party will eventually dissolve and the sycopantic "uhljebe" (our idiom for grifter - "to sell oneself for a loaf of bread', hljeb being an old word for bread) will accept cushy jobs, the ideological demagouges get ousted as they are a threat, rinse and repeat.
alkorisno@reddit
Germany and Italy, like in WW2. Now the most capital is owned by them in ex yu countries
TricKE3@reddit
Geopolitically basically everyone from the western sphere of influence. Yugoslavia was a relatively relevant country that held good relations with both the west and the east. Now its 6 irrelevant countries that mostly adhere to western influence.
Particular-Highway89@reddit
Us cause we were too powerful united
Historical-Wear-9948@reddit
Me because If it wasn't for that, I wouldnt be born
Apimeister@reddit
Conspiracy theories? Is it a conspiracy theory to observe the world around you and have an independent opinion? This fake choice that anything that is not the mainstream narrative is a conspiracy theory just shows how terribly brainwashed, lobotomized the majority of the public actually is nowadays.
Ambitious-Tea-9923@reddit
Humpback whales their numbers are recovering
Hopeful-Passion3902@reddit (OP)
What?
T550401@reddit
NATO and western bloc countries.
bljuva57@reddit
USA, western Europe, especially Germany
HelloThereItsMeAndMe@reddit
Yeah, they could have gotten a large EU and NATO state, and instead they now have to deal with Serbia. Huge success.
Baoooba@reddit
>Yeah, they could have gotten a large EU and NATO state, and instead they now have to deal with Serbia. Huge success.
They don’t want another large EU and NATO state that could challenge their own economic and political influence within the bloc. They prefer the current situation: smaller states that are easier to influence, while any potential regional rival, like Serbia, remains too small to offer meaningful resistance.
bljuva57@reddit
Exactly. Another thing is that Yugoslavia was liability of turning into Russia's allies cause of the Serbs leaning to their side. Now the Americans have a military base in Kosovo which wouldn't have been possible.
kiki885@reddit
Russian dicksucking in Serbia was non-existent prior to the NATO bombing.
bljuva57@reddit
How yes no.
Vast_Scale_3199@reddit
USA did benefit. How did western europe benefit? They are vassal states like the rest
Ambitious-Fly5264@reddit
The USA.
MDedijer@reddit
Capitalist propaganda benefited from showing a failed socialist state. That was the main goal of the exercise, show that even a milded version of socialsm cannot succeed and that you should be happy you get 0 days of PTO after having a child cause that’s the only good way forward. Now deal with the EU socialist inclinations and the job will be complete for good.
greekhop@reddit
I see a bunch of childish emotional answers.
OP here is a serious answer.
I used AI to help structure this answer which is based on the Realist school of international relations.
So here goes:
From a geopolitical perspective, the collapse of Yugoslavia wasn't just a local civil war, it was a massive shift in the global balance of power.
Here is the breakdown of who came out on top and the logic behind it:
1. The United States
The U.S. was the primary strategic winner. The conflict allowed the U.S. to cement its role as the indispensable power in Europe during the post-Cold War era.
NATO’s New Purpose: With the Soviet Union gone, NATO needed a reason to exist. The Balkan interventions provided a new "crisis management" mission, justifying the alliance's expansion.
Military Foothold: The U.S. established a permanent presence in the region, most notably with Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo, ensuring long-term influence in a territory that was previously non-aligned.
2. Germany and the European Union
Germany significantly expanded its "sphere of influence" to the southeast.
Economic Expansion: By being the first to recognize the independence of republics like Slovenia and Croatia, Germany pulled these territories into the Western economic orbit.
Regional Dominance: The move replaced a large, independent socialist state with several smaller states that were eager to join Western institutions, effectively turning the Balkans into a "backyard" for German and EU trade and political standards.
Here is some more food for thought:
In international relations, the "Security Dilemma" suggests that small states are inherently vulnerable because they cannot defend themselves against major powers.
The Powerless State: As small nations, Yugoslavias successor states lack the population and industrial base to maintain a military capable of independent deterrence.
Dependency: By leaving a large state (Yugoslavia), they effectively traded one form of dependence for another. They are now reliant on NATO and the United States for their physical survival. If those alliances ever shifted or dissolved, these small states would be left strategically exposed. How is the NATO Alliance looking in 2026 BTW?
2. Economic Sovereignty vs. Integration
A large country provides a massive internal market and control over its own resources and currency.
Market Scale: A unified Yugoslavia had the weight to negotiate trade deals as a significant regional player.
The "Vassal" Economy: Critics of the breakup argue that small states often become "economic satellites."
Without the protection of a large domestic economy, they are frequently bought up by foreign corporations and must follow the fiscal rules of the European Central Bank, leaving them with very little control over their own financial destiny.
3. Geopolitical "Weight"
This is the "meaningless" vs. "powerful" distinction.
Voice at the Table: A large, non-aligned Yugoslavia was a global leader in the Non-Aligned Movement, giving it a seat at the table with superpowers.
The "Rule-Taker" Reality:
Today, as small members of the European Union, Slovenia and Croatia are primarily "rule-takers." They have very few votes and limited influence compared to heavyweights like Germany or France. In a large state, they would be part of a regional power; as small states, they are often seen as peripheral actors in a much larger system.
The Counter-Perspective (The Sovereignty Argument)
The counter-argument, which drove the independence movements, is that "power" in a large state is useless if it is used against you.
Self-Determination: Proponents of independence argue that being a "small" state with the right to self-govern is better than being part of a "large" state where your culture, budget, or politics are suppressed by a dominant central authority (which many felt was the case with Belgrade).
Apprehensive-Box2481@reddit
this oversimplification of the matter this is a post asking for conspiracy theories not a theoretical perspective regarding the breakup on who benefited. regardless, the security dilemma also refers to the facts that states defensive behavior can be interpreted as aggressive by other actors. NATO never justified expansion based off of its intervention, states need to apply to join.
I also find the argumentation regarding rule takers and and having a voice at the table irrelevant, as the reason the non-aligned movement existed ceased to exist (the cold war). Yugoslavia had the opportunity to be integrated into the European institutions' and NATO as a whole as this was the preference of the United States initially, under the administration of Bush Sr.
So basically the potential paths were whether Yugoslavia integrates with the West as a unit, disintegrates peacefully, or disintegrates violently.
The recently-unified Germans were eager from the onset to establish a presence in the Balkans through Slovenia and Croatia, and following the Kosovo war the US did end up capitalizing on Bondsteel, but i would argue that the best case scenario for the US would be to not have essentially frozen conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo and have the entire region locked down in NATO. In case of the NATO bombing during the Kosovo war the main beneficiary might be the Clinton administration as the war neatly pushed the Lewinski scandal out of the news cycle (to briefly place the discussion back into the post's theme.)
While certain countries and elites within the European Community at the time benefited, the manner that Yugoslavia broke up was viewed as tragic and a failure of European neighborhood policy, a field where the EU still lacks strategy and long term vision to this day. Even if you look at the region nowadays, it remains a vulnerability in the middle of the Europe and a "backdoor" for all sorts of malign influence.
Mind you, you (or the ai you used) is correct that these small "statelets" are more easily strongarmed by larger states, including those of the EU, and a weak and corrupt Balkan region might benefit the short-term interests of powerful states through asymmetric dealmaking (look into recently strengthened patrimonial relationship between Macron and Vucic, where France is abusing the Serbian regimes weakness and corruption.)
Ultimately the local political elites all chose populist nationalism as the most suitable tool to strengthen their kleptocratic holds over the successor republics, and what better way to legitimize a yourself as a nationalist then supporting some aimless wars. A common comparison is that between the economic metrics of Czechia and Serbia from 1990, where there were relatively comparable, and yet due to vastly different circumstances Czechia is ahead today in all metrics.
We can probably conclude that the local political elites were the most clear-cut "winners."
The realist school is only really relevant in Yugoslavia's breakup maybe when putting into context how NATO's intervention altered later international security developments.
Thanks for showing interest in this subject!!
greekhop@reddit
Thanks for your comment! We can agree on a few things, on others, not, but it's good to discuss.
Burlotier@reddit
I personally find this very informative , realistic and geopolitically correct .
greekhop@reddit
Thank you!
-Passenger-@reddit
The obsession of this sub with a state that existed 40 some years and is dead nearly 35 years should be studied by psychologists
JRJenss@reddit
Your claim would carry more weight if you weren't a Croatian in Germany. I agree with you but just saying
-Passenger-@reddit
What is even your point here? What has the geographical location to do with what i said? Or are you just looking to start some shit?
JRJenss@reddit
I've noticed it's easier to diss Yugoslavia and love Croatia, while leaving in a rich country
-Passenger-@reddit
i lived in Yugoslavia, i am GenX. Did you? I've noticed its easier to love Yugoslavia if you haven't lived in it.
JRJenss@reddit
Nope, never lived in Yugoslavia but I don't love it either. Why don't you return to Croatia, it needs people?
-Passenger-@reddit
I do live in Croatia for a couple of months/year. But also in Germany. I am self employed so i can kinda commute. Depends on my working schedule.
JRJenss@reddit
Same, except I'm in Denmark most of the time
OmniSeer@reddit
Yugoslavia is life. There will never be another state like it again. Greatest country to have ever existed.
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
Nah mate, all nations were today better of if Yugoslavia was never formed, there might be no Bosnia then tho
-Passenger-@reddit
I piss on it
Last_Auslender@reddit
German firms like Bosch, Siemens, and ThyssenKrupp did evil marketing for indepandence of Croatia and Slovenia to cause collapse of Yugoslavia economy, and to perform fragmentation and asset liquidation and pushed their main competitiors in Yugoslavia ( Energoinvest) into ash. They did this to takeover Middle East, and North Africa marketplace that was taken by Yugoslavia's powerhouse.
And let's not stop there, they bribed US elites to initiate wars in next decades to destroy and erase evidence of Yugoslavia's investments in Iraq, Libia, Syria, Iran, Egypt etc.
Also FIFA did their part, so Yugoslavia would not become dominant force in Footbal and Basketball at the same time.
DwiddleKnight@reddit
Denmark. Got Yugoslavias place in the european football championship and won the whole thing
JRJenss@reddit
I profited.
LexPhantomO@reddit
Albanians. The break-up of Yugoslavia was also the most emancipatory event for the Albanians' rights living in Yugoslavia. They were subjected to racism and plans for eradication (Cubrillovic, Academy of Sciences Memorandum in the 1980s), colonisation in the 30s, atrocities in the aftermath of WWII, a forced assimilation campaign (in Montenegro; Novi Pazar), displacement during the 30s and during the repression in Rankovic’s era, a second-class citizen status and underdevelopment under Tito’s Yugoslavia, segregation under Milosevic’s regime and finally a violent widespread campaign directed against Albanian civilian population during the Kosovo war resulting with a genocidal campaign to cleanse them ethnically (1.8 million displaced; 800 thousand forced out if Kosovo).
So yeah, good riddance!
Worldly-Character-59@reddit
Individuals.
Good-Hand-8140@reddit
Croatia and Bosnia. First time in history with statehood. Internationally, Germany.
Agron7000@reddit
Everyone except Hungarians of Vojvodina. They got eradicated from earth as if they were the plague.
Stverghame@reddit
Hungarians of Vojvodina live pretty well. Where have you read that version of history which you're presenting here?
Agron7000@reddit
Well, that's the last of them. It's a minority going extinct.
No history, just numbers. In 1941 there were 577 thousand serbs, 465 thousand Hungarians.
In 2021, 1.2 million serbs, 182 thousand Hungarians.
Look it up.
https://publikacije.stat.gov.rs/G2023/Pdf/G20234001.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Vojvodina
Stverghame@reddit
So... natural decreasing is suddently weird in Balkans? Hungarians literally have the chance to get Hungarian passport, and they do. They go for better life.
The way you maliciously wrote your initial comment signalizes your aim, to make it seem as they were killed and persecuted (as you said - eradicated). I doubt you're discussing the dramatic decrease of Serb numbers in Kosovo with such sympathy and empathy. Your goal here is more than obvious. :)
Agron7000@reddit
Life was so good for the Serbs in Vojvodina that they grew 3x.
Life was so bad for Hungarians that their growth stagnated for 40 years upto 1981 and then got reduced to less that half of what they were.
Same place. Good for the one running the country, bad for the minority of the neighboring country.
What else do you wanna call it? - Assimilation by humiliation, intimidation of a 2nd class citizens? - Expulsion by economic starvation? - Discrimination? - Inequality in employment, education, freedom of speech, heritage and cultural belonging?
Or all of the above to lead to eradication of Hungarian people.
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
Assimilation by humiliation, intimidation of a 2nd class citizens?
lmaoo get some help, imagine to write such things 5 am Monday morning
Stverghame@reddit
Answer to all that was given in the previous answer. You just gave me a word salad now.
mrgleman@reddit
Hungarians migrate out with EU passport lol , million times easier than a Serb , ofc their numbers will decrease
TheEagle74m@reddit
All the people who lived in Yugoslavia
Obaama@reddit
European Union
NNredE@reddit
No one from Ex Yu. Yes, you may think that Slovenia and Croatia are doing well, and they do, but they will be doing well if not a single life were lost. And they will be doing well much earlier.
Candid-Shopping8773@reddit
I don't think it's even a valid question to ask. Collapse of Yugoslavia did not happen because of someone's actions - either ill-intentioned or not. It happened because it could no longer exert enough threat of violence to keep peoples who never wanted to be there, in check. Like the Socialist bloc itself when Gorby was prevented from forcing peoples to stay in, at the threat of denying grain imports (and he had no balls to force his country to endure another Holodomor).
azzurro99@reddit
The people simply... at least, at last liberated from Communism
fortisqp@reddit
Germany
Aga_Xeno@reddit
Germany for so many reasons. Both economic and strategic ones. Especially the fact that they cut access to the sea to slavs. Croatians are regarded as Germans in all but the name.
JeanRalphioTheWoorst@reddit
Dear_Wrongdoer7271@reddit
Milosevic and his JCE.
Sure-Way-2409@reddit
The one that attacked almost all the Yugoslavian nations but thank god it was only briefly (long enough to commit genocide and hundreds of massacres)
Traditional_Win_7199@reddit
How did it profit when it ended up the worst off of all?
amazingamy19@reddit
People would be just saying things, thinking they did something lol
PotentialBat34@reddit
Germany benefited the most economically. They were also able to extract the talent pool for rather cheap.
Americans benefited the most strategically. They contained the Russian influence, and undermined a possible Chinese encroachment in the region.
nrliii@reddit
hitler did, the chaos caused instability in the fabric of the world opening up the "entry points" into agartha and he used it to re enter the surface
Adogg03@reddit
nrliii@reddit
i mean he did say "wildest"
acoliver@reddit
Economy car manufacturers. Before this the Yugo was about to take over the world. And now?
define_schedule@reddit
Most benefitted:
Austria, Germany, Switzerland and the United States (in that order), receiving the most qualified immigrants and making the post-Yugoslavian countries merely vassal states.
Wild conspiracy?
Austria has nothing to offer to the world, often seen as a last option to immigrate in the Germans phere.
The fall of Yugoslavia was the perfect storm for Austria and it's economy.
Chemical-Course1454@reddit
Croatia seems to be doing well
vasjpan002@reddit
Brzezinski, Carolingianism, Kosovo as Aztlan, Joel Garreau Nine Nations, eventual dismemberment of Russia for Fatima.
Ancient-Song-8428@reddit
Slovenia, politicians and big and small criminals.
leafsland132@reddit
Macedonians, Slovenians, and Croatians all finally got independent countries
Unicreatum@reddit
And what the fuck has Macedonia done with that independence? Fuck all really.
Stverghame@reddit
Can a day pass without mentioning that zombie country? If one day aliens start to study this planet, they might get a false impression that Shitshowslavia had some significance due to amount of times you glazers mention it.
Aliens, if you ever come across this comment, note this: Shitshowslavia was shit, worthless historic garbage that some people still waste their jizz on. 40s and 90s weren't enough for those brains.
Okramthegreat@reddit
My cousin Ljubo
medved76@reddit
All of the countries that took in Bosnian and other refugees.
Ovinme@reddit
Slovenia
guga76@reddit
Faroe Islands did. Just because.
AlmesivaMoonshadow@reddit
Human traffickers who make a trade out of seeking out unstable, war-torn failed states to pray on their vulnerable populace and specifically, vulnerable, displaced children. And what is more profitable than six republics failing at the same time?
I wouldn't even necessarily call this a wild conspiracy theory.
jotakajk@reddit
John Paul II
Fun-Incident-9216@reddit
Austria.