Should I gone on holiday on my own? Partner manic in hospital.
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Skate_beard@reddit
You should absolutely go.
Connect_Estate_1988@reddit
I mean I’d personally just stay with my partner than go away if that happened to me but if you paid nearly 5 grand then maybe you should go!
Alone-Lake4756@reddit
Go! Greece isn't that far so if you needed to get home quickly you could.
As everyone else is saying your partner is safe, you can't get a refund so why waste the money and the break really will do you some good.
You have a villa so I assume it will only be you there, take advantage of the quiet time to process and heal yourself in the sun!
JunoBuno1234@reddit
Please go! You need a break
emperorsnewgr00ve@reddit
Go !
Elegant_wordsmith@reddit
Absolutely go.
ForensicShoe@reddit
If you have travel insurance you may be able to recoup some of your costs if you cancel.
Rich_27-@reddit
I would go on my own.
Rhodes is really nice,
Rikbikbooo@reddit
Very sad to read this as my mother is bipolar so I have an idea of what you are going through such a shame you didn’t have insurance because it may have been covered
If there is a chance you can change the tickets and take a friend then perhaps you should do that I am sure once your partner is better she would tell you that you should have gone rather than lose the holiday
If it was me I would be feeling exactly the same and be thinking should I go or not I guess ultimately it would be down to you to make a decision
You can’t do anything while she is sectioned and it would be a pity to lose the holiday if she is in hospital I am sure she would understand I know my own relative would tell me to go knowing how bad she can get with her illness
Whatever you decide I wish you both the best and hope your partner gets well soon
MagentaSupernova@reddit
My partner got steamo the night before a holiday and didn’t make it back in time to get to the airport. Had 3 days of bliss!
When he did get his ass in gear, his flight was delayed 7 hours and the company went bust, so he couldn’t even claim his flight money back! Just desserts n all that.
I know it’s not quite the same but seriously, your own company can be quite delightful, especially when things have been stressful lately. I had some lovely drinks watching the sunset and all that peaceful stuff, was lovely.
Hope you go!
Stick_insect_@reddit
Even if you go for a week and get an earlier flight
Stick_insect_@reddit
Can I ask what is a manic episode? I feel sorry for both of you, did she refuse to be admitted? Go for a break . She’ll be looked after 🥹
ufo_hunter_86@reddit
Just ho on your own, have a relax and think, you never know might meet like minded people out there.
Budget_Zombie4078@reddit
To be honest, the main thing here is what you think and crucially your partner's daughter thinks. Other people can advise but you both know what's best here.
It feels crap to do obviously but would you find the benefit in a bit of a break? Would you be able to come home rested and a better, more supportive partner?
Looking after loved ones sometimes means we have to look after ourselves first. If your partner's daughter is saying go, it sounds like she thinks you need it! And presumably she would be there to support your partner. If her daughter is a safe pair of hands, on top of the medical care your partner is getting, that could also influence your decision.
And finally, what would your partner want for you? What would you want if the positions were reversed?
I hope if you are going you're able to go guilt free and get the benefit of the break. Sending good wishes to you and your partner for a speedy recovery
loorid@reddit
Oh bro, absolutely go on the holiday. I'm in a very similar situation right now and would kill to have some time off in the sun. Enjoy it! A lot of the time as carers our entire lives get put to the side, but there is no point in wasting all that money when you can get some much needed R&R. (Also Rhodes is one of my favourite places! So go and eat 10 tonnes of cheese for me)
No-Method-mad@reddit
I have bi polar and im very lucky my human has given me so much tlc considering the hell he has faced im awful toxic when manic if I could send him on a trip solo wgile im sectioned I would do it in heart beat ..I think u should go embrace a mind reset your human is in good hands and damn alot of money to not get back!!
stowgood@reddit
Go see if you can take a friend or family member to keep you company but go either way.
corvid-99@reddit
I was sectioned with a manic episode and psychosis and even in that state I knew my then husband could’ve used a holiday. Go!
Severe_Pause4273@reddit
Go! When I ended up in psych as a teenager my family went on a planned holiday without me about a week after I got admitted. Stung at the time, but as an adult I’m so glad they all went and were able to have that time together after what they had been going through with me
Naetharu@reddit
I would go.
I get that it feels weird, but by the sound of it you have a good support group around you and she's not being left high and dry.
You say it is too late to ask someone but is it?
I had a mate that had booked a holiday a couple of years back and his relationship broke down a few weeks beforehand. He asked me, I booked a few days off work at short notice and we did it together and had a nice time.
Might be worth asking your mates to see if anyone fancies a quick trip.
ange7327@reddit
I don’t think it’s too late to find someone to go with you but regardless you should go, she’s safe and getting the help she needs and I imagine you really need a break.
78Anonymous@reddit
go, enjoy it
DrunkTalkin@reddit
You need it. Go go go! Try and get some rest and recuperation.
EtoshaLeopard@reddit
Go!! The exact same thing happened to me but it was my parent who was sectioned during a psychotic break.
10 day holiday booked and paid for.
I went and lapped up as much sun as I could. Made absolutely no difference to my parent who was frankly orbiting another galaxy the entire time.
cursed_cucumbers@reddit
Sometimes we all wanna orbit another galaxy and that is ok
YchYFi@reddit
That's what someone would say who has never experienced a psychotic break.
Suspicious_Tax8577@reddit
Not had a psychotic break. Have had a hypomanic episode and the speed that goes from rainbows and unicorns to me screaming the place down because I'm a 5'3 ball of incandescent rage really is something.
Opposite_Radio9388@reddit
I don't think OP's partner wants what is happening to them right now.
One-Raspberry4189@reddit
That’s a lovely thing you did for yourself and I agree, partner needs to go! Carers sometimes spend so much time looking after their loved one and forget to self care ❤️
redseaaquamarine@reddit
It isn't even that you forget. You completely put yourself away in a cupboard and the only thing that matters is the person you are caring for. There is no moment when you aren't tensed up and awaiting a bad moment.
V65Pilot@reddit
Personally? I'm going. But, you do you.
That said...date and time. I'll meet you at the airport...I hear you have an extra ticket.
Alert_Ad_5750@reddit
GO ON THE HOLIDAY. You matter too.
Just-Standard-992@reddit
If you can change the name on the ticket, take a friend or family member!
Realistically, she won’t be well in time, and you can’t do anything about it, so why not go enjoy the holiday you paid with your hard-earned money, and just take a break from it all and recharge your battery for when she gets better and can come back home?
makemyday1984@reddit
You need to take care of yourself or you won't be able to take care of others. Go on holiday, don't feel guilty and step up when you are back - enjoy!!!
87catmama@reddit
Go! You're going through a lot too, and you deserve to relax for a while. It's not all about the money, everyone needs a break sometimes, and you definitely need a break at the moment.
Stocktort@reddit
Go- absolutely no guilt whatsoever. As long as she is safe.
Moist_Debt_4006@reddit
You’re spending 5k on a holiday in Rhodes in May!?
Do people not realise it’s not that hot
ShihtzuMum39@reddit
Absolutely go. She’s in good hands on the ward and, honestly, chances are that the time you are away will be the time the psychiatrist and nursing team will be titrating her medication so she’s unlikely to be any different in presentation until you would be back anyway.
Have a very well deserved rest. It’s the absolute best thing you can do for both of you.
seabass_@reddit
As someone who has a family member with a severe mental illness, just go. You likely need the break. Your partner is safe in the hospital.
shanrees8@reddit
Please go and take a friend or a relative you'd have a good time with. I bet when your partner comes to they'll be glad you didnt waste the trip and had a good time
HoboStrider@reddit
I'm Bipolar. Just go. Not much you can do other than give her space. Chances are for the first 4 weeks you'll have limited visitation anyways. Best get your rest so you have energy coming back.
AltBod@reddit
She's being looked after and there's little more you can do for her right now. Go ‼️ Have they best time you can...have a break so you are stronger and in a better place when she comes through it 💕
Search-Lite@reddit
Do you need the break? If you do and even her daughter thinks it is a good idea, then maybe you should go.
BreadBat100@reddit
I'd just go mate. I go away on my own once or twice a year to take some time for me, eat where I want to eat, do what I want when I want, and generally just have a chill time without needing to factor anyone else in.
Of course going away with friends/family/partner is great, but taking some time for you, especially after what sounds like such a difficult time should do you wonders.
Alternatively, you could cancel if your insurer has sufficient cancellation cover, but there's implications to that I'm sure others have gone into (I've not read all the comments). Either way, wishing you all the best!
ADHDJ86@reddit
Go on holiday i think you deserve the break and when you get back and your partner is home you will hopefully be in better frame of mind each.
Enjoy
MorningLanky3192@reddit
Talk to her care team and make sure youre not going to be needed within that time (if you are, maybe you could go for half of the time and book a flight to come back partway?) But definitely go for at least some of it.
And buy annual travel insurance, its really not much more than just buying for a couple of weeks and theb youre covered year round. I dont have to think about it at all for any trips to Europe.
Swagio11@reddit
As someone who’s had hospital admissions for manic states and psychosis I’d say go. I know my husband could have used the break when I was unwell.
not1orangebut2@reddit
Go. What good will it do yourself, or your partner by staying? None. You'll be tired and resentful, even the most saintly of people would be in those circumstances. So go. Enjoy your holiday and return refreshed 👍
zedexcelle@reddit
Go. Please go. And next time you book travel, book insurance the second you complete the travel booking.
pixiemeat84@reddit
Lie in the sun and feel it's warmth. Relax. You said yourself that this break has been building since March and that it was hard! You deserve a break! Please please take it and enjoy yourself as much as possible. Be brave ❤️
ChristianeHello@reddit
Ok, I'm the 100th person or so saying that, but go. Recharge your batteries. You're not unavailable, keep your mobile phone on and go. Try to relax a little bit. I think you deserve it. I have a friend in a similar situation as you. His partner just got sectioned, and I would recommend the same.
HAMMAH333@reddit
I have been in this exact situation with my partner who got sectioned 3 weeks ago. We were due to go on holiday the next day. Made sure she was in the right hands and the ward was good then went on the holiday without her. I needed the break and time to sort my own head out after the last few months so go and enjoy yourself as best you can in the sun it is important to look after you too!
driftwooddreams@reddit
Go. Go and relax. It will produce a better outcome for both of you long term. There will be other holidays together in the future.
Leftofnever@reddit
Go. Definitely go. Caring for someone with MH issues is exhausting. Plus she’s being looked after
Littlemouse0812@reddit
Oh definitely go!!! Can someone else come with you instead - you mentioned a daughter? I know not everyone can get time off at such short notice but I’d go by myself or see if someone else can take her place if you want some company. Tbh though a solo holiday sounds like bliss to me 😂
advenurehobbit@reddit
Go! Fill your cup for when she's back home
No-worries-2548@reddit
Casper the friendly….
Aggressive_Chuck@reddit
I wouldn't be able to enjoy myself anyway.
shannondion@reddit
I have bipolar; so I’m on the other side of this. Please go, don’t suffer too much
That_Let_1293@reddit
Go! I genuinely hope you do.
Top_Kaleidoscope4232@reddit
Im against the consensus here - you might lose them. "I was at the lowest point in my life and they went on holiday" is a pretty hard one to dispute.... sure you will lose money but you could lose a lot more than money. Take the time off for respite sure but if it was me I would stay nearby at least
Dependent_Ad9541@reddit
If it was any other health complication that wasn't mental health related, all these comments would be calling them a scumbag for even considering it.
Helenarth@reddit
I dunno. Let's say someone had a physical condition where they'll absolutely pull through with the proper care, but there's no way they can go off abroad for two weeks - both legs badly broken or something, for example. They're in hospital and being looked after but there's no way they're getting out in time. I'd still say it's okay for OP to go.
Especially since mental health conditions sadly also affect the individual's loved ones - if this has been building as OP says, there's no way this hasn't affected him and made him tired and stressed. No where near as much as his partner of course, but she's now got people looking after her, so I think he needs to look after himself.
-Kid-A-@reddit
I think it would come down to what OP could feasibly contribute to the situation if he remained at home, which would largely depend on the condition of his partner and the facility in which she is sectioned. For example - do they allow regular visiting hours? If so, would OPs partner benefit from regular visits? Or is she completely shut off from the world for the whole time she’s there with little to no option of visiting? There’s a lot of additional context which would make a huge difference.
ShelleysSkylark@reddit
I agree - especially if he hasn't tried to postpone. I imagine she was looking forwards to what sounds like an amazing holiday too.
I suffer with a serious mental health condition and if my partner went without me, and I wasn't able to go at all, I'd be very upset. Personally I'd end it with him. It feels like a huge betrayal
puzzledbyadream@reddit
Also with you. I’d be devastated. She’s sectioned, not completely unaware of the world.
Briggykins@reddit
I'm with you. Logically I agree you might as well go, but I don't think I could do it.
Helenarth@reddit
I absolutely agree with everyone who's saying to go.
Of course, what she's going through is awful - but she's in the best place she can be right now, she'll have experts looking after her and keeping her safe.
You sitting around at home feeling shitty because she's not well and feeling shitty because you're missing out on the holiday isn't going to help anyone - least of all her. If you were in her position, let's say very sick in hospital, wouldn't you want her to go? For one thing, you'd say she deserves to have a nice time, and for another thing, at least you're not wasting all the money.
Sorry this is happening, it's not nice regardless.
Salty-Lawfulness-129@reddit
Take it from someone who has been there. My late husband was also bipolar. Its a living hell for all involved. Please, take your holiday. You've been walking on eggshells for god knows how long, scared all the time and in a heightened state of fear. I know. Take the holiday ,you need it more than you know. Don't guilt yourself into not going, please. Maybe even someone could join you for part of the trip, but either way, go. If you ever need to vent or just talk, dm me. Take care of yourself
AreaMiserable9187@reddit
I dunno I was the sectioned one and I still recall the sadness that my mam couldn’t visit daily - which was her choice and I don’t blame her for at all.
Fuzzy_Possibility@reddit
I think only you can decide.
If it was me the irrational side (I have mental health issues so I’d likely be the sectioned person) I would feel abandoned if my partner went BUT I have abandonment issues and I’m assuming visitors are allowed.
BUT the rational side of me realises that actually a break would do my partner good.
You know the situation best
Verbenaplant@reddit
Dont waste and regret it. get the name changed on the second ticket and take someone. go get a break. Get some insurance incase you break a leg or something.
reset, regroup, restart.
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
Is there a mate you can take instead? Don't waste it either way.
ReeceySnaps@reddit
Take the break, get some shut off and come back stronger mate. Don’t blame yourself for something that isn’t your fault but something you have helped and aided. You’re a good person.
Round-Donut3484@reddit
Hey, bipolar person here to chime in. I can only speak for my experience but for me, the worst part of my illness is seeing the toll it takes on my husband and knowing how hard it is for him to see me ill.
If I was in your partner’s position I would want you to go, especially after going through it since March.
My husband has gone through hell and back for me, I’d be devastated if my health ruined a much needed and deserved break.
Please go, relax as much as you can and come back refreshed as you can.
Sending love.
EducationalWing6713@reddit
GO ON YOUR OWN! That's an order for us at Reddit 👍
Impossible_Volume811@reddit
Doing something good for yourself will benefit your partner later on. It sounds like you need a break and going without the holiday will only hurt you.
By the way, I’d love to go to Rhodes and I’m free pretty much any time.
GoldiBlogs@reddit
For future reference, try buying an annual travel insurance policy that will cover every trip you take, so you don't leave it until the last minute.
StaySure are pretty good for insuring people with preexisting medical conditions like your partner.
blackcurrantcat@reddit
Go and don’t feel guilty because you need to look after yourself and you need a break and a chance to recharge yourself.
Lettuce1939@reddit
It’s completely your decision and yours alone ..
but my experience I went on a holiday that was booked to Malta when my dad was having a bi polar manic ..
everyone told us to go ..
I spent the whole holiday miserable guilty for leaving dad when he was unwell and my brother and sister to deal with it ..
Snapping at my better half etc
Calling home all the time ..
I understand we are all different and some people can just switch off and forget but I couldn’t..❤️
tomahawk66mtb@reddit
That's why they say "Put your own oxygen mask on first" - you'll be more useful to her and the rest of the family if you are well rested and ready when you get back.
If she has an issue with you taking the holiday then that tells you something.
IndividualBreak3788@reddit
If you are married you should stay. If you are not married (or mutually agreed life partners), you should go and you should end your relationship.
Amonette2012@reddit
Definitely go!
Tricky-Canary2715@reddit
Go, recover and prepare for the next episode. You can’t make anything better if you’re worn out too. Just don’t get too tanned!
sempiterna_@reddit
I have another illness, but my husband went on holiday while I was in hospital long term and I was well enough to encourage him to go. I was being looked after, I didn’t want him to lose the money, he needed a break and sometimes visits got tiring for me anyway - I got to use visiting time as nap time, since the rest of the day was treatment time.
Have a nice time OP - it’s normal to feel worried and maybe a little guilt, but you know in your heart you care, and you’ll be able to be more supportive if you also take care of yourself too.
Faoeoa@reddit
Speaking as someone who has 1) had a partner with mental health difficulties and 2) has previously worked on MH wards I am in two minds about this.
On one hand very understandable to be reluctant about going, but you need to ensure you get a break whilst your partner is in a safe place (relatively speaking) to limit the risk of carer burnout.
transitorymigrant@reddit
Go on the holiday. She will be getting the care she needs, her family can step up. But otherwise there is no benefit to you staying home while she’s in the hospital - especially as everyone is saying you should go, including her daughter and she usually is in the hospital for 2 months.it sounds like you need a break. Take it.
Simon_Says_2@reddit
Without a shadow of a doubt go. And please don’t hone in on a tiny minority of opinions not to go. The best thing you can do for yourself and her is to take the break and recharge. It is NOT a selfish act, it is one that will benefit you both in the longer term. You can’t pour from an empty cup - this is the time to prioritise yourself while you know she is safe and being cared for.
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
Since March? Dude, you've been a full-time carer for someone with a devastating and complicated condition for weeks, doing your best despite knowing the inevitable. And no doubt when she's released, you're going to step up again. You deserve this break. Go.
redseaaquamarine@reddit
Believe me, you need some Me Time to de-stress. Your partner is safe and you can totally shut off. Having looked after a very ill adult son, I have really aged and gone downhill as I didn't have a break. Any chance you get, when she is in a safe place, it is crucial to take a proper break.
Icy_Appearance_8610@reddit
Go!
CharieRarie@reddit
What would you want your partner to do in the same situation? Do that.
Sudden-Requirement40@reddit
This for me: if it was first time I'd probably want them to stay but since they've been here before then I think I'd want them to go.
Charming_Face_1203@reddit
I wonder if holidays can be sold to someone else pike concert tickets
ItsGoodToChalk@reddit
Go! If need be see if you can change your partner's name to someone else's, if you do not want to go alone. There will be someone.
As someone who is bipolar, you absolutely need and deserve this.
Your partner will be in good hands whilst you're gone.
InducedChip89@reddit
Probably do you good to be fair
sonicfan666@reddit
definitely go, you’ll regret it sooo much if you don’t!!! have fun and enjoy a bit of relaxation :) i’m sure your partner won’t begrudge you for it
Melendine@reddit
Go. Then start following RobynHoldaway on Instagram for more tips on how to help a bipolar partner.
One of their main tips has been take care of yourself first.
You sound like you still want to be around in May.
Come back in May well rested.
decentlyfair@reddit
I have mental illness where I get episodes although nothing on the scale you mention but if this was me I would tell my husband to go and enjoy. There will no doubt be more tough times ahead so go and chill out the best you can, recharge your batteries and come home refreshed. Also the people who matter in your life have said you should go, so there is that.
askoorb@reddit
Go. If this is actual mania (as in psychotic) not hypo-mania it ain't resolving in a week. Make sure the ward and the Responsible Clinician for the section are aware of the dates you'll be away so they can take it into account when discharge planning.
But always get travel insurance as soon as you book a holiday for exactly this reason.
infieldcookie@reddit
I’m sorry mate, that sounds like a shit situation.
I’m guessing other people would be able to visit her when she’s in hospital (if she’s allowed visitors)? If not I would say maybe you should be there for her as it’s quite a long time to be away.
But if that’s not an issue, I would go. Just spending some time in the sun/by the pool/in a new environment will be really beneficial for your own mental health.
lightzaiba@reddit
Psych ward visits aren’t usually as frequent as other hospital wards. Where I worked it was mostly weekly and you pre book an appointment.
I think OP will be better off going on holiday and taking a friend so he can relax. His partner will need time to recover and probably won’t really register the visits much. She’ll have access to her phone and so he can still keep in touch.
Take the break OP, and don’t feel guilt about it. You deserve a break too. Take a friend so you feel less lonely!
RonnieBobs@reddit
That’s a strange system. I’ve worked across many wards over the years and none of them had what you described, they just had visiting hours and people could turn up whenever. If a child was visiting you might arrange it in advance to book the family room
lightzaiba@reddit
Guess it depends on the hospital and the ward. Where I worked it was acutely unwell men - a lot of schizophrenia and psychosis so you couldn’t just have visitors coming in whenever. There was one family room and you booked visits in advance. Bags were also checked for contraband on admission etc.
RonnieBobs@reddit
I worked on an acute men’s ward too but normal visiting hours worked fine. Like you say it must vary around the country/trusts. Having worked in London, Manchester and Birmingham they’ve all had the standard visiting hours
lightzaiba@reddit
This was in London. I’m sure it varies trust by trust. Also it was down to the psychiatric consultant to approve whether a patient was suitable for visitors.
RonnieBobs@reddit
That’s very old school! Much prefer a proper MDT approach where we’re all working together. I really don’t like the old school hierarchy.
lightzaiba@reddit
Honestly, some of the consultants there were shocking lol. But that’s a whole other story.
moonflowered_@reddit
When my nan was sectioned it was prebooked appointments too, and she was only allowed so many visits total per week. Frankly you were bloody lucky if they even answered the phone so you could book one ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
RonnieBobs@reddit
That’s so bizarre to me. All the older adults wards I’ve worked on have always been the most flexible!
Due-Persimmon1447@reddit
Daily visits if appropriate and not upsetting to the patient.
SianyBabe@reddit
I have Bipolar. If I was in her shoes I would want you to go. My own partner does so much for me considering how debilitating Bipolar can be. If she has been sectioned, she is receiving the help she needs and you can't do much more. Take the break. You deserve it.
deliciousprawns@reddit
I work in the psych ward and i can say with certainty we (staff) would strongly encourage you to go! Carer burnout is real and you deserve a break. Your wife is being looked after and will be fine
Alternative-Bee2962@reddit
As someone who lives with extreme mental health problems like your partner I know how hard it was on my long-term partner and we have been separated for nearly 8 years but still best friends and actually live nextdoor to eachother and he is still my unofficial carer.
But as the person who lives with the mental health problems I would want my partner to go as it's just as hard for the person who deals with the person with mental health problems. I see how exhausting it is for my ex and you need to look after your own mental health and overall health. You would have dealt with a lot leading up to them being sectioned and you deserve the break and recharge your own batteries.
Your partner is in the right place for them right now and they are safe and being looked after and you need to do the same for yourself and if everyone else in yours and their family are saying you should go then I would. You can still talk to your partner on the phone and the hospital she is currently sectioned in. Don't feel bad for doing something for yourself and there is nothing you can do currently for your partner and I would go and enjoy some sunshine and a break from everything and take this time to look after yourself.
I hope you're partner is ok and they can get her bipolar under control and please take this time and look after yourself.
RNEngHyp@reddit
I think you need the holiday. Go!
As somebody who has struggled with mental health, I would rather my husband went and got some quality down time. You'll need it.
HighPriestess29@reddit
Yes go. You deserve a break and a holiday too. Don't let it go to waste. Enjoy
Ok_Broccoli4894@reddit
You deserve a break. Go.
Cardabella@reddit
Go. Take a friend if you can. Recharge yourself for the next phase of caring. Respite is important to avoid burnout.
Hour_Kaleidoscope723@reddit
Absolutely you should go staying won’t change anything! Get some sun and sea good food you only live once..
Mysterious-Sock39@reddit
Go she won't even realise
misskittygirl13@reddit
The Romantica boat out of Old Rhodes Town is awesome. Go.
KrytenLister@reddit
Honestly, if it were brand new issue and the first time they’d been hospitalised, or a sudden physical illness requiring extended hospitalisation, I couldn’t go. I want to be there as much as possible.
In your situation, this isn’t some unexpected, out of the blue scenario. You both booked it knowing there was a chance something like this could happen.
I know I’d want my wife to go and enjoy herself for a bit, and I know she’d want me to do the same in this situation.
You, their family and friends are all aware of the situation and your support network will get your back. I’d say take the break while you’ve got the chance, then come home refreshed and ready to step up again.
Don’t feel guilty about this.
Logical_fallacy10@reddit
110% Go. You deserve it from putting up with - and living with someone who is bipolar.
SerendipitousCrow@reddit
Op I work in a hospital and it's not uncommon for relatives to go away when their person is in hospital. If you know they're being looked after, this is your chance to look after yourself
It's not irresponsible and you'll (hopefully) be refreshed for your partner on your return
Helping someone with mania is exhausting.
I would take the trip.
Dollypuggle@reddit
Give yourself a break. You’ll be more use to her once you’ve recharged your batteries.
Artemis_Apollo87@reddit
I'd go. I went away alone when my partner was sectioned last year after 12+ months of caring for him in severe psychosis. It was the best thing I could have done for my mental well-being. Without that recharge I couldn't have managed the last 10 months still caring for him, being bereaved and caring for my mother too. You cannot do anything for your partner at this moment, they are where they need to be. Your health matters too. Go, rest, recharge and try to enjoy.
Reasonable-Cat5767@reddit
I was sectioned for 3 months last summer and my husband took the kids on the holiday we'd planned still. At the time I didn't know much about it, and looking back I can't say I blame him at all. Go and enjoy yourself, you need it.
DIY_at_the_Griffs@reddit
Take it, look after yourself
ARobertNotABob@reddit
Go. Call it respite.
kitknit81@reddit
Go. Enjoy the holiday, rest, refresh and rest yourself and when you comeback you’ll be in a much better place to support your partner.
Due-Persimmon1447@reddit
You’ve gotta ask yourself if you would enjoy yourself? If you aren’t used to solo holidays it might be lonely, you might feel guilty (not that you should). Your partner is being looked after but she may also benefit from visits from you, need things brought it like clothes and treats. Do you think that she would encourage you to go in this circumstance? You just don’t want to go and have a miserable time so consider it all carefully.
Insomniacwoes@reddit
As a person who both lives with Bipolar and is married to someone who is Bipolar also go and enjoy your holiday if you’re comfortable doing so. If you’re worried about going alone do you have a friend that would be able to travel with you if you change the name on the booking?
It’s an exhausting illness both to live with and to support someone who is living with it. You deserve a break to rest and recharge. You’ve done all that you can for your partner, now it’s time to look after your own wellbeing.
soverytiiiired@reddit
Go. Buy an e-reader if you don’t already have one and fill it with books
piccalily19@reddit
Definitely go! And maybe throw the invite out to friends etc and ask if they want to come and join you even for part of it? If villas all paid for they might want to bag cheap flights for a long weekend away or something.
Rhodes isn’t a million miles away so absolute worst case, if you had to come back in a hurry you could
apple_kicks@reddit
I get the uncomfortable feeling of going when they’re in hospital. There’s probably not much you can help now its in hands of professionals. Better to rest and comeback recharged for when they’re out.
Though you can always see if you can get dates moved by a year if you prefer to go with them when they’re better
Special-Revolution49@reddit
I was sectioned before and my family went on holiday. Wouldn’t have expected them to stay so I would go.
Gem1494@reddit
Go. I was a carer for my ex (also bipolar) and it is genuinely one of the hardest things you can do. You will need the respite. She’s safe and cared for and I’m sure that once she’s back to herself she won’t begrudge you for it.
MKMK123456@reddit
Too late for OP but a PSA - buy travel insurance as soon as you book your holiday.Dont ever wait.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/cheap-travel-insurance/
TheTackleZone@reddit
Trust me, you need this.
Get away from everything and reset your batteries. Don't feel guilty as there's nothing you did to cause this. Just one of life's speedbumps.
naranjita44@reddit
Go and ask a friend or family if they fancy coming. Might not be too late for someone, but enjoy yourself solo anyway. And annual travel insurance is less than £100 for worldwide. Lesson for next time: as soon as you’ve bought the holiday: buy the insurance or get annual.
Carelink41@reddit
Go and if you don’t like being alone ask a mate to join you
wardyms@reddit
All might not be lost with the money. Contacting all in individual companies and explaining the situation may allow refunds and to defer it.
You may also have hidden insurance on credit cards, bank accounts or home insurance.
spankybianky@reddit
Not for pre-existing conditions though - so unless bipolar disorder was disclosed to the insurers in advance, they won’t have coverage.
candynickle@reddit
It might be ok for travel insurance through your bank or credit card- it doesn’t hurt to try . Or getting a credit note by calling up the different providers- they may be more sympathetic.
Alternatively, see if there can be a name change and bring a friend / family member along
tommycamino@reddit
Or ask about postponing
Pan-tang@reddit
Don't mess with Wardyms!
Knightoftherealm23@reddit
Absolutely go.
Ask around anyway as someone may be able to fly out for a few days to join you, you never know
But yes go. Take the break you need it
fluentindothraki@reddit
Go. You deserve a treat. You have supported your partner and gotten on with life, and now it's time to enjoy your Holiday.
Books, magazines, headphones, maybe a tablet or laptop for watching stuff so you are busy and entertained
Pretty-Box8658@reddit
Definitely go! Take the respite. Even if people aren't available for the full time due to short notice, they may be happy to fly out for a few days if they're only paying for flights. But also don't pressure yourself to have the most active holiday ever - you can just lounge around for that time if you like, no need to go on excursions if you don't want to.
In the very worst case scenario you can probably come back early if you need to - you're not going to the other side of the world.
ams3000@reddit
100% GO. You need the break by the sounds of it and it’s all paid for.
pixelunicorns@reddit
I would go, you either lose the money or use it. And from what I can remember about being in hospital, if she's been sectioned it's not like you can visit her or talk to her. Has she got other support whilst you are away if the doctor does need to contact a family member?
Unusual-Profit4997@reddit
I would go, but personally I’d try and find a friend to go with me. Otherwise I’d spend most of the holiday overthinking and feeling down.
However, I’d say going alone would come above not going at all.
FluffAndTumble91919@reddit
Go - the support system of patients who are unwell need a break too. You'll be better able to support when you get back.
Don't waste the money out of guilt that she can't come too - that's not in your power. If she's manic she may well give you grief about it - ignore that. You need to be looked after and have some rest too.
concrete_marshmallow@reddit
Go!
Life is short and you only get one ride.
B-F-T-B@reddit
You need to fill your own cup first 🤷🏻♀️
Long-Wash7180@reddit
As someone who has had a relative sectioned - go - whilst they are there they are safe - they are being treated (albeit takes time) - looking after someone with severe mental health challenges is hard on you even if you don't consider yourself a carer etc.
Take the holiday - it won't be the same but it will give you a little respite from the normal world.
clrthrn@reddit
Just go. Take your bestie or your mum and have a break. The stress and your partner's medical issues aren't going away but you can go away from them for a while to be yourself. Then get back to it refreshed and feeling like you can cope again.
ConsiderMyTimbers@reddit
If you can't do anything to help her at home, you might as well go and not be able to help her in the sun.
Matterbox@reddit
Absolutely agree.
Take some you time and enjoy the freedom it will bring.
Reko2@reddit
I'd ring in sick work for 2 week if a mate offered a paid trip away. You should defo atleast ask few people before you go!
MuddyBoots472@reddit
Don’t beat yourself up about the travel insurance (ordinarily I’d say you were silly) but if she’s had previous mental health issues it’s unlikely they would have paid out
Enough-Ad3818@reddit
Definitely go.
You know what the best respite is? Eating souvlaki in the sun, by the beach.
You're doing your partner a favour really, as when you come back, you'll be in a much better place to handle what's going on, and after a couple of weeks, maybe they will too.
EhDinnaeEvenKen@reddit
I'm also bipolar, and have had a few grippy sock holidays of my own over the years. And I say, go for it. She's in that ward whether you're at home or in Rhodes. Once she's feeling better she'll understand even if she doesn't already.
You'll be in a better position to help her if you look after your mental health too.
Worried_Sandwich9456@reddit
Go! Sounds like you could do with the break, and some time on your own in a beautiful, relaxing place, will be perfect. Take some books.
Downtown-Orchid-2257@reddit
I've been there pal. It's shit, isn't it?
Unfortunately all you can do is leave her in professional hands. Sometimes they even advise no visitors if it might impact on the care plan they have in place. Her daughter is around so there are people that can provide support, if your partner wants that.
Go on holiday. Rhodes is a cracking city to go on a solo trip to. Take a bundle of books/podcasts/music and chill out. I personally would have loved a break away when my partner was going through their last big episode. This isn't a pop at you BTW. It's a huge drain on the people around the person having the manic episode too. Trust me, you need a holiday.
You need to put on your own oxygen mask first. I fucking hate that phrase but it makes a good point. Go, have a good time, try hard not to be too sad and recharge your batteries. She'll need your support when she's recovered and on her way to being discharged.
Take care.
Steelydawn@reddit
Another one urging you to go. I went to Athens on my own a few years ago (planned) and it was great. The people of Greece are very warm and welcoming.
Significant_Leg_7211@reddit
Could you go and maybe take another relative like your daughter?
Not-That_Girl@reddit
You should definitely go. Shes being looked after and you need a rest!
My_sloth_life@reddit
Yeah I would go. If she has family/friends around then they can let you know if there’s any material change but you deserve a break and it’s a shame to waste the money.
RummazKnowsBest@reddit
To quote Palpatine - “Do it”.
No one is judging you.
Barangaroo11@reddit
You should definitely go. You have no doubt been under enormous stress. Recharging yourself will benefit you both in the longer run. Don’t worry about going on your own, people do it all the time. Just enjoy the food and sunshine and relax.
Experiment328095@reddit
Have (or can) you asked her how she feels about you going? If she’s going to be in hospital for two months and has plenty of support other than yourself it’s not unreasonable for you to go. The fact that you even care to ask shows you’re not a selfish or unreasonable partner.
Inevitable_Thing_270@reddit
If she’s in hospital for a manic episode, it’s not likely to be a quick turn around (and you’ll know what she’s been like in the past if she’s had this happen before while you’ve been with her).
You having a break and clearing your head will be a rest for you, and help you be in a better place and able to help her when she is improving and you can take an active part in her recovery.
If even her daughter is telling you to go, go. Have a proper conversation with the daughter, and feel her out for if she’s genuinely telling you to go, or actually just saying that and would prefer you were around. If this has happened a few times before, then I suspect the daughter is genuine about saying you should go. Just make plans with the daughter for while your away, like ensuring she has your details to get in touch, and getting her to keep you updated on her mum (just a simple text every few days unless there’s been a big change).
Go and relax. You’re not currently adding anything to your girlfriend’s recovery, that’s what the hospital team is for. You will be able to help later
vikingveteran@reddit
Yes you absolutely go on your own! I work in a psychiatric hospital and partners need a break
TommyAtoms@reddit
I would go. Too much money has been spent. You might as well get something positive out of the situation.
mad_saffer@reddit
I'd go. My partner is 100% the type who wants to do EVERYTHING together ( but only in the last 3 years or so) and I like to have alone time sometimes to recharge. I'd use the holiday to be by myself and do only the things I want to do for a change.
Dull_Hawk9416@reddit
Go and have fun. See if you can get some discounts or refunds for her half. Do you have travel insurance? If you got cover for pre-existing conditions then you’ll also get refunded that way
citygent1911@reddit
Definitely go! You'll be no help at home, and sometimes the "carer" needs a break asuch as the patient 👍🏻
Enjoy 🙏🏻
Inevitable-Yard6567@reddit
Go, you need a break and a recharge and then you will be better placed to support your partner when you return.
amandathepanda51@reddit
Did you talk to the travel agent about maybe making changes to the holiday ? Like maybe change the durations or postpone it or something. They can actually be helpful at times . Thing is you may hate going alone under these circumstances. Or as someone else has suggested offer to sell it to someone else. Good luck with your decision.
_isolati0n@reddit
Yes definitely go. When your partner is feeling better I'm sure they will agree that it would have been silly to miss out and waste all that money on their behalf.
Downtown_Tale_2018@reddit
100% go on holiday
LaurelRester@reddit
Does she have anyone else in the area who can visit and advocate for her while she’s sectioned, and will they definitely be reliable and support her if she has issues? If so you should go, if not I think you should stay. From first hand experience of supporting someone that has been sectioned multiple times, I know from experience that being in a mental health ward in the UK sadly doesn’t mean you’re instantly ‘safe’ as the commenters here are saying. Things can and do go wrong with staff and with other patients.
Prestigious-Slide-73@reddit
Go!!
Absolutely go!
My dad was sectioned in December and had my mum had a holiday booked, I would have insisted that she went after dealing with him for the previous 12 months.
Respite is important too for people who support people with their mental health.
Evening-Manner9709@reddit
As someone with multiple mental health problems, I implore you to go. I wouldn't like my other half to just be trying to carry on whilst I was hospitalised.
Its self care to have a break before she gets out, when she'll really need your support.
bopeepsheep@reddit
This happened to a friend in recent years, and I don't believe anyone in our circle thought they shouldn't go. It's very hard work getting to this point, and while it's not great for your partner either, you need to "put your own oxygen mask on". Have the break. Recharge. You can be more supportive when you're well rested, and she will be safely cared for while you're gone, so you can relax.
runawaydebt@reddit
Pack your spf50 and go on the holiday. Your partner is safe and it sounds like a holiday could really help de-stress you after everything youve just been through.
Have some chill beach days, lazy mornings and enjoy some nice food. Recharge your battery. Do you think if your partner knew, they'd say they'd rather your skipped the holiday and sat at home so do you think they'll have still wanted you to go? Cos I'd want my husband to go even if I couldn't.
ohnobobbins@reddit
If your partner wasn’t poorly and knew the situation, they would tell you to go and have a great time. You don’t need to feel guilty or sad about it in any way.
Holidays are a wonderful time to drop your shoulders and just be a human. Re: feeling daunted, I get it, I would be too. Take it hour by hour. You can get on a train. That’s all you have to do.
Maybe do some research - put some plans together, do some research on fun things to do and see there. Especially food, it’s so nice to sit with your face in the sun in a pretty place, with a book and a lovely meal.
Hopefully you can re-do the holiday together once they are feeling better.
Jesssca@reddit
I’m sure if they where sane right now and they knew this was gna happen they would tell you to go, so go and enjoy yourself, Rhodes is amazing and it’s a shame to waste all that moneys x
SingleMaltLife@reddit
I think if your family and her daughter are telling you to take the break, they know the situation so much better than Reddit, listen to them. They’ll be there if anything is needed urgently. Also as many people have said you need to take care of yourself.
I have a friend right now that is looking after his sick elderly parents. One passed away last year and he’s now living with the second one. He is not taking care of himself and I really wish he was. I think it might take him a very long time to recover from these last 2/3 years. If he had the opportunity you’re describing I’d really want him to go. Then he’d be in a better place to help his remaining parent when he got back.
Draigdwi@reddit
Go! And do ask your friends and relatives if someone wants to go with you. Offer for free or very cheap as the money would be lost anyway. You will be surprised how much the availability increases relative to the price drop.
BG3restart@reddit
Go and recharge your batteries. I'm currently away on holiday alone. Some me time is good for the soul.
ljdug1@reddit
Go! It’s Greece, not the Moon. You might as well be on your own in Rhodes than at home and if you’re needed you can fly back within 24 hrs, you’re literally 4 or 5 hours away. If I were the sick person and my partner was in need of the respite I’d willingly be telling them to go.
Big__Bang@reddit
Think of it of respite for you, so when your Partner is out of hospital you can be there for her totally 100%
Luna-Lux-@reddit
As someone with high impact mental illness. I would tell you to go and get some rest and recharge.
Subaruchick99@reddit
Go. And I say thus from personal experience of having a bipolar & sectioned boyfriend in my 30s (am now 62)
Your girlfriend is being safely looked after. You need to use this time to look after yourself. And time just on your own is actually one of the best ways to look after yourself.
Sending strength and love.
purplelilacs2017@reddit
It’s not as if you’re leaving your wife on her own in an unsafe condition.
mondeomantotherescue@reddit
Go and take the time to think about your relationship.
Jaded_Leg_46@reddit
Go on the holiday you could always plan another holiday for another time. If you don't go you waste all the money.
Agathabites@reddit
Yes, go. Recharge your batteries. You’d be doing it for her.
Vertigo_uk123@reddit
My wife suffers with mental health. I travel a lot for work. My biggest worry is her being looked after and safe when I’m away. Your partner is looked after and safe. I would use this as respite as even with worrying she is ok the time away from normality does a world of good. Think this way. You are no good to her when she comes out if you are still burnt out. Just make sure you stay In contact just in case she is leet out early so you can fly back and be there for her.
JamieEC@reddit
do not feel guilty. Go. And take this as a lesson to always get insurance as SOON as you book.
They might refund due to extenuating circumstances if you have evidence.
TheWeedgiePrincess@reddit
Be kind to yourself, go & take some time to decompress. She is in safe hands, you need to look after your own mental health. Wishing you safe travels
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
Go! I'll come with you lol
SeoulGalmegi@reddit
I can't even imagine this situation.
It sounds like everybody whose opinion matters is telling you to go.
It sounds like you really could do with the break.
ShortArugula7340@reddit
I really feel for you - that's a tough situation to be in. You've done a great job in sticking by her and getting her the help she needs, even though it must be difficult to see her in that situation. I'm sure she will appreciate it once she's better. It's now up to the professionals to do their job.
In terms of the holiday, I'd start by checking how you paid - some credit cards and bank accounts give you insurance cover in the small print.
I'd then try emailing the companies and explaining the situation. Whereas officially it might not be changeable, if you provide evidence of your situation, and you're just asking to change the dates you might find that they make an exception. There might be an extra fee required, but this could resolve your issue if its not too much.
If it's not possible to change the dates, it should still be possible to at least amend the hotel booking, if there is someone else you can take - a family member or best friend perhaps who can look after you?
Ultimately, if there's nothing else you can do, I'd just go. Make sure that you've organised for her loved ones to check in on her and set up a video call every 3 days to hear how she's doing and put your mind at rest.
Also, I'd set yourself up with some telephone/video counselling, booking sessions for every other day that you're there. You're likely to feel a bit lonely at times and that can lead space for ruminating to creep in. Having a professional to talk through how you're feeling could release some of your worries and allow you to get the proper relaxation and recooperation you likely need. Some workplaces have counsellor phone lines as part of their benefits, or you could sign up to Pirkx, which includes professional counselling on the £6 per month package (cancel anytime). I don't work for them, just think they're a great company.
Reinvented-Daily@reddit
GO
No-Door-3181@reddit
Yeah downvote me all you want but if you’re the type of person who can enjoy yourself on a holiday while your partner is sectioned then by all means go.
I’m also bipolar and I was also sectioned 3 years ago, and my ex partner made the effort to come and visit me most days, even when I was confused and didn’t know who he was or where I was. Yes it would’ve broke my heart if my partner would’ve gone on a holiday instead of coming to visit me, but maybe there are some bigger people out there who have never been in this situation who will have other opinions. Being sectioned is absolutely awful, disorientating, isolating and scary. But enjoy Rhodes, I guess.
External-Praline-451@reddit
OP's post suggests their partner has been sectioned before, possibly several times and mentioned it's been hell. Their family and friends are also encouraging them to go on holiday. So reading between the lines, they sound like they really need some respite.
I'm sorry for your experience, but everyone's exeperience is different. Caregivers get burnt out and also go through the ringer supporting loved ones who are experiencing severe mental health episodes.
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
I'm sorry that imagining yourself in this situation is upsetting for you, but this did not (and will not) happen to you. I'm sure there are details about OP's relationship they're not revealing, and if they knew their partner would be devastated by this I doubt they'd even consider going.
No-Door-3181@reddit
I’m sharing my thoughts as someone who has been sectioned, I’m not “imagining myself in this situation”. Im saying that by choosing to go on a holiday he is also choosing not to visit her while she is going through an awful time. How can he know if she would be or not be devastated if he is not going to visit her to find this out?
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
This is quite literally imagining yourself in the situation.
As for your question, OP makes it clear this is an ongoing situation. I imagine they've discussed it/know one another well.
No-Door-3181@reddit
Well obviously but isn’t everyone when answering a question on Reddit? 🙄 For example, you’re also “imagining” they’ve discussed things OP never said they did. There’s just not enough info on the post. I reflect my personal views on my personal answer that’s it.
-aLonelyImpulse@reddit
I'm giving OP the benefit of the doubt, yes, but I'm not basing my opinion on what I'd do if I was OP, or how I'd feel if I was OP's partner.
grimseverrr@reddit
As a fellow bipolar person who's been sectioned in the past for extended periods, tbh I would not expect my partner to lose out on £4600. Not their fault they're sectioned at all but not his fault either, she's in the best place possible and if it's something he's considering it's something she would probably be alright with when they come out of the other side and could book and have another holiday.
On one side if OP will leave them high and dry with no visitors when possible then yeah it's not the best but judging by OPs post it seems like sectioning is part of their treatment when needed and even though couples should support eachother, their lives should not stop in its tracks.
But that's you, and this is them, and to be quite honest your feelings are valid but shouldn't be projected onto someone that also seems to be in a conundrum... the partners or family of people with mental health conditions need support too
No-Door-3181@reddit
That’s fair enough you’re a better person than me I guess! There’s just not enough information on the post, if this person has enough support from the rest of the family to not be left high and dry then why not. On a personal level I could never go on a holiday if my loved one was hospitalised and I had the chance to be there for them. Idc about the money. People are worth more than 4,6k
grimseverrr@reddit
Respite is a very important part of care and I hope one day you're able to separate your own opinion to be able to reflect on how other people would function, especially as OP is allowing to share as much or as little information as they like. There's no better person and no need to put yourself down due to other people's opinions, I'm sure no two people's opinions are the same :)
Specialist_Emu7274@reddit
I’d go. It’s a lot of money to loose & I imagine you’re stressed by your partner being sectioned. I would think that she would rather you go
firsttimeredditor101@reddit
Go. Her illness will be a constant in your life. Try and enjoy life as much as you can in between.
Suitable-Tomorrow577@reddit
Can’t you sell it to someone else for a name change fee?
Randomfinn@reddit
100% go.
AndrewHinds67@reddit
Go.
twirling_daemon@reddit
Go
Ffs go!
Breathe, relax, sleep, have fun, be sad, angry, relieved. All of the feelings, let them be felt but do it in a beautiful place where you not only only have yourself to think about but you can only think about yourself
Not going is ludicrous. You’ll lose a ridiculous amount of money, there’s no benefit to you or your partner in you not going AND losing all that money!
She’s where she needs to be. She’s being taken care of
You also need & deserve to be taken care of, to be where you need to be, to get a fucking break
You’ve been going through hell, repeatedly, recently & for a prolonged period. You need to prioritise yourself and there’s no shame in that, nothing to berate yourself for
Quirky-Respond93@reddit
Go go go . Embrace yourself and your beautiful mind ☺️
cooprinor@reddit
Sounds like you really need the respite.
Are there other people who will reliably visit her on the ward and support her over the phone while you're away? You don't mention how long the holiday is
ShortArugula7340@reddit
OP mentions that it's a 16 day holiday
cooprinor@reddit
Woops, missed that!
OrganicPoet1823@reddit
Go
Timely_Egg_6827@reddit
Honestly I'd go. She's safe and looked after. Set up a rota of people to call in. The hardest time is going to be when she is discharged. A holiday will let you recharge for that.
MojoMomma76@reddit
Take the trip. You’re in a rough spot and are going to be emotionally drained from supporting her. You’ll deserve the break.
Current_Crow_9197@reddit
If it’s paid for and she’s well looked after, I would just go; especially if it’s nothing life-threatening for her.
What do you do for a living?
fourlegsfaster@reddit
Insure yourself if you can. Go, it might feel awful, guilt might feel awful, however Greece is a relaxed and friendly country towards tourists. Rhodes is interesting, low season, people are relaxed, take some time for yourself. It will be hard, but there will be some rewarding points. Cut off the SM etc. for much of the day and enjoy pleasant weather and exploring and delicious Greek food.
belfast-woman-31@reddit
I’m so sorry. But I agree with everyone saying to go. You need the break and I’m sure she will understand even if not now.
I would ask friends though if they can go. If I just had to pay the name change I would go with a friend in your situation.
robinscotland@reddit
Sounds like it's a regular occurrence - so if anyone deserves a holiday on their own, it's you.
cloud1445@reddit
You need to recharge batteries for what's ahead. Go and do that as best you can.
thetechguyv@reddit
Definitely go, you need a break as well.
Good_Albatross@reddit
Take me hi 👋
Good_Albatross@reddit
In all seriousness I am really sorry. Loving anybody with bipolar, let alone your partner, is really hard. God bless you and your love for them
Doomergeneration@reddit
Jeez honestly I don’t know but I feel for you
SomethingPeach@reddit
Go.
JuanitaMerkin@reddit
Go off and enjoy yourself, mate.
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