What is an industry that is currently on fire (in a bad way) behind the scenes, but the general public hasn't noticed yet?
Posted by keto2017@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 531 comments
feltymeerkat@reddit
HVAC
Super_Asparagus_@reddit
Yall suck at this the obvious answer is movie theatres.
YeetedApple@reddit
It might be quicker to list which ones aren't...
Unfortunately, there really is more truth than joke to that. We have so many potential economic crisis's that are just getting worse, that the likelyhood that something happens and potentially triggering more is becoming more and more likely imo. It's obviously impossible to say when and what the first domino will be, but I'm rapidly losing any hope that we avoid some sort of major economic issue.
With the amount of debt piling up behind everything, and personal, corporate, and government budgets all struggling to make ends meet, I don't see how this ends without either a massive crash or austerity on a level that society would probably never accept.
If you look at the actions of those with power, whether political or economic, most seem to be working towards ensuring their own safety/stability throughout some form of collapse scenario and not trying to prevent it. Whether they think it is inevitable or they actively want it, I can't speculate to their private thoughts, but their actions show what they are expecting to come.
sciencesez@reddit
I can speculate on their private thoughts, because they've been pretty vocal with the "burn it all down" rhetoric.
YeetedApple@reddit
That doesn't fully explain their motivation though. Do they think the collapse is inevitable and are trying to intentionally tear it down in what they think is a controlled way to try to steer it to protect themselves as much as possible, or is they just doing basically a smash and grab without caring about the repercussions.
I see a lot of people assume the latter, but personally, I'm not as convinced because the repercussions will be a net negative for them as well. Their actions make much more sense if they believe a major crash in unavoidable, and that is what i'm more interested in, whether they actually believe that or not.
hera-fawcett@reddit
theyve stated their intentions tho--- burn down the current system, implement the new system (small corpo-nations that all survive on crypto linked to ur digital id). the dark gothic maga shit.
they inferred that a major crash-- one that would reshape society-- would inevitably happen and, instead of waiting for it to happen (and maybe getting fucked like the rest of us), they are going to burn it all down in order to establish total control/dominance over the new order.
its to retain and build more power.
same shit, different stink.
Shake0nBelay@reddit
Mark of the beast system. Im a senior architect for big tech. We are building the ecosystem for it daily and un agenda 30 is gonna help usher it in.
kismethavok@reddit
I will never understand this unless they've all been completely and masterfully manipulated by China somehow... because the obvious conclusion to that would be China rolling over every single one of them while they are too busy restructuring and fighting each other.
hera-fawcett@reddit
i think the thing is that they planned everything out a while ago. its all divvied up already. whatever theyre fighting about today is like nickels and shit for them.
most of the players in dark gothic maga have made it so their business is in every major country and is vital to them. theyve integrated themselves deeply into defsec of most countries and are on track to de-anonymize the internet and start closing it. theyre on track to implode the usd. theyve already gotten a large amt of ppl closer to crypto by being involved w polymarket type shit. theyve got a large amt of social reach by owning most major news corpos and social media avenues. they cornered potential vulnerable ppl and made sure to engage them w content that made them feel seen.
its not like this happened randomly or in a vaccuum. the players involved have been involved for 20+yrs. the major corpos have been establishing their dominance since the early 80s. lobbying against public interests/for corpo interests picked up.
its been a long road but the blueprint, at least some of it, has always been there.
EldritchTouched@reddit
Perhaps, but the plan reveals they are fucking stupid.
Sure, that's their plan, collapse things and grab what they can before climate change forces the situation, and consolidate power by various means.
But they make stupid assumptions. That these systems that got them their wealth are able to be removed without larger knock-on effects that destabilize their own power (which is based in the current social configuration and that wealth that they're trying to render meaningless). That people won't just put them down like rabid dogs for collapsing societies and the mass murder that entails. That their security teams and enforcers won't get the idea to just kill them instead of enacting their plans after the current system's wealth is meaningless. That the collapse of these various systems won't screw them over in other ways (if you collapse the food system, how do you eat?). That, if they go the drone/AI route for enforcement, the things will always stay functional and people won't figure out how to deal with the threat. Etc.
They seem deluded into thinking Ayn Rand was an oracle with Atlas Shrugged, instead of a crank and a hypocrite, and forget that she was writing fiction and could thus choose what happened in the plot.
Because they have lived so long in a sheltered wealth bubble, huffing each other's farts about that they're inherently superior beings and the broader system supporting that isolation and giving the illusion of power since they can do whatever they want currently with impunity, they don't know how systems work or how they're utterly dependent on those larger systems.
The real danger is how much damage they're going to do along the way to a bunch of innocent people and the ecosystem before they fail at their idiotic endeavor.
YeetedApple@reddit
This right here is why I am curious if they thought a full collapse is unavoidable, because that is the only way this comes anywhere near attempting to make sense. Continuing with how things were and their already ridiculous wealth is an infinitely better quality of life.
To push everything where we are going, you have to either think it was already happening, or be an absolutely idiotic megalomaniac that can't see past their obsession for power.
WobbleKing@reddit
They definitely can’t see past their obsession with power and are smoking a lot of kool aid
hera-fawcett@reddit
i dont disagree
but lets be fair--- for all the examples of assumptions theyve made... not one of them has been inaccurate, so far. ppl arent out shooting them in the streets. their wellbeing is still secured. ppl arent to the point of 'eating the rich'. they are still sowing their seeds deeper into society each day.
they are intending to do a lot of damage in order to get their big reward. and theyve bet that we wont do anything---- and part of the reason we arent is bc of how theyve rigged the systems so specifically. most ppl are still on the edge of hardship, not truly in it. most ppl arent choosing btwn groceries, rent, or medication. not yet. most ppl are still driving, still using social media, still a part of the overall bullshit.
and, theyve rigged the systems so well that they finally feel confident enough to play one of their last moves- trying to win the public's approval via culture. its why the met gala is entirely funded by big tech. its why bezos is one of the lead guests--- and why mayor mamdani declined to attend.
when oligarchs feel so secure in their position that they begin to make the rounds to gain favor from the masses... its usually bc their position is secure af.
kismethavok@reddit
Ya, so you're simply claiming they're [redacted] and don't understand how anything works.
imhereforthepuppies@reddit
Wouldn’t it make sense for them to be invested in a politician hell bent on punishing China with tariffs and building negative public sentiment against them then? So… the candidate they paid for to take over the presidency?
kismethavok@reddit
Why so they can get crushed even easier with less pushback?
Shake0nBelay@reddit
Revelation 13 is the end game.
bokehtoast@reddit
It's probably a mix of both. They think it's unavoidable, have tried to steer it in their favor and the more they realize it's gone completely off the rails, the more of a smash and grab it becomes.
sciencesez@reddit
I believe they know a major crisis is unavoidable. The news from actuaries worldwide is pretty grim on multiple fronts, including finance, climate, water, migration, and extremism. But I also know they've made feeble attempts to mitigate the crises and have, in fact, exacerbated the current state of affairs. This is a topic that is studied extensively, and there have a plethora of scholarly articles putting forth policy and strategy suggestions for decades. I believe that the moment they understood how the crises could be manipulated they began to do exactly that.
UnravelTheUniverse@reddit
The billionaires want to destroy and replace the system with Neo feudalism before things get bad enough that the people riot and start killing them. AI is their weapon for accomplishing this, and not many see it for what it is, a tool to destroy the middle class forever.
EldritchTouched@reddit
They've also been building bunkers and trying to figure out how the people who staff the bunkers don't just kill them and take over.
bokehtoast@reddit
Oil might be the first domino. Gas prices were high/rising for a couple of years before the failing housing market bubble and 2008 recession really started to peak. We've not seen gas prices rise at this rate. Where I live it jumped $.20/gallon just this weekend after a more steady rise from the onset of the Iran bullshit.
jbjhill@reddit
The “dark enlightenment” fans have a wild point of view on this.
FriendlyArachnid6000@reddit
Lol
Video game industry is doing pretty well ☠️
scott32089@reddit
My vote is Long Term Care. We’ve gone through 4 buyouts in 4 years at my building. New companies buying up all the buildings, consolidating and then cutting new costs while increasing pricing.
Patient ratios are super rough and getting worse by the year which leads to worse outcomes. More people getting sick or dying from preventable things.
The silent thing is that it’s business model sucks generational wealth from the older generation so the kids don’t get anything when the parents finally pass because there’s just nothing left. The MO is to bleed them dry in a private pay single room, then switch them to Medicaid and put them in a double room forever and just charge the government.
People might be living longer now, but the quality of life with all the various diseases at the end of it is something most families don’t want to deal with, so they trade their inheritance unknowingly under the guise of “well take care of them so you don’t have to!” Which the companies then willing capitalize on.
cyanescens_burn@reddit
I keep thinking of how loads of millennials and Gen z are going to be totally screwed when they start becoming old and infirm and debilitated from age.
So many will never be able to afford homes, something like 60% won’t be able to save enough for retirement, the federal gov seems hell bent on cutting social security and Medicare, and loads can’t afford kids so they won’t have adult children to keep an eye on them (granted, you can’t rely on that as a sure thing anyway, the adult kids could end up disabled themselves, addicts, broke, schizophrenic, or estranged, therefore not going to help).
If rents keep going up, and wages stagnant, old people trying to work to keep a roof are going to be facing an uphill battle. I suspect a lot could end up homeless.
Angrymarge@reddit
We’re gonna have to take care of each other, honestly. I’ve been thinking about this a lot because I’m taking care of my mom. I think we need a complete revolution in how we deal with this, because none of our systems are functional (health, aging, etc…) it would be cool if we worked collectively to plan for our inevitable old age and death, rather than individually hoping somehow we’ll figure it out
SpacemanLost@reddit
Turning 60, grew up in a small town where 75+ percent of us were in primary school together all 13 years. That's relevant as thanks to internet, etc. many of us still talk and catch up despite having scattered.
Most of my male friends from school have married and have kids, grandkids, etc. Several female classmates are childless and single. I've been in several conversations over that last couple years ( we've been losing parents left and right lately) that basically tl;dr as discussions about a commune/ Golden Girls situation, pooling resources both monetary and labor to have something resembling a decent retirement and group caring for the ones who / when they can't care for themselves.
With family gone, banding together with others who you knew and they knew you growing up feels like the best group to trust and share your final years with.
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
After the black death Europe struggled with many elderly people who had no family left so there were living communities created, where elderly people lived together helping each other out. Some of them persisted until well into the 20th century.
Angrymarge@reddit
It makes a lot of sense to me that we’d form communities like that! And I think it could work so much better than current systems. If we’re all in community taking care of each other, we’d be forming new family like bonds late in life. And give us purpose, which is needed in old age and community and purpose are also helpful for aging healthily.
ShubberyQuest@reddit
So many people in the younger generations won’t live that long.
We’re in for a rough ride. Life expectancy will go down.
As designed by bad faith whales.
apocalypsemeowmont@reddit
It's already happening. I'm in my mid-30s and literally around 1/4 of my high school friends are dead of suicides or ODs. Some of them didn't even make it to their 30s. The ones that are left are squeezed financially, can't afford spouses/kids, can't afford housing, groceries and medical care.....they have nothing to live for. The future is bleak by design.
OpheliaLives7@reddit
I haven’t seen mainstream talk about it anywhere but just on Reddit alone the number of millennials who openly admit their plan for getting old or infirm is literally suicide…should be concerning for all of us. We have no long term plans. No expectations of care, no ability to pay.
Any_Needleworker_273@reddit
Yup. Thats my plan. I have no kids. No family, and I have watched too many people die to want to spend any time what sonever in so called assisted living. Let alone giving any money inhave left to those greedy assholes.
igneousink@reddit
i'm genX and that's my plan also
horseradishstalker@reddit
It’s already happening.
Alternative-End-5079@reddit
The US system is specifically designed so that Medicare does not kick in until all personal wealth (including house, if you have one) is gone.
And then there’s the surviving spouse. Good luck honey!
Extreme_Qwerty@reddit
Medicaid. And the surviving spouse can keep some resources, including the house and a car.
Alternative-End-5079@reddit
You’re right, I’ll edit that
Informal_Snow9191@reddit
I'm an insurance agent who went to a health fair just yesterday. I do some referrals because clients ask for help because I'm a resource knowledge hub for my area so I direct people to individuals and companies that I trust. The first question I always ask when dealing with insurance is "Is your company owned by private equity?" I hard pass whenever the answer is yes. That doesn't mean that the locally owned one is good, but private equity is always going to be bad. Even if the employees there really care about taking care of your elders, they don't have the resources to do so and caregiver burnout is high. Elders will say some really wild shit to their caregivers sometimes because they don't give a shit. Filters off.
Private equity in long term care is just a machine that sucks up generational wealth and abuses our elders through neglect. And while that was the model before, private equity cranks that shit to eleven.
My big worry is that Medicare or Medicaid is going to get fucked with because both are very important to elder care. If they get slashed you'll see our elders either forced to go back with their children or grandchildren or get tossed into the street to die. People call Medicare a ponzi scheme, but it's one of the best anti-poverty programs out there today. It slashed the poverty rate for elders by 80%. The problem is that Medicare requires tax money and when there aren't enough people being born and immigrants coming in and not enough taxes are harvested, it becomes harder to sustain. But even a small cutback could make it sustainable while securing most of the anti-poverty measures. Repealing it altogether like the republicans have been talking about (good luck, but still, troubling) would create a massive amount of death and homelessness among the elder population, as well as the disabled population that are also on Medicare and social security.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
you do know that immigrants pay taxes right?
kingofhearts778@reddit
That’s a point they’re making. Immigrants pay taxes and less immigrants means that funding source for social support is gone.
Brandiclaire@reddit
Filial support laws have entered the chat
WSBpeon69420@reddit
As a fellow person in the field I can’t tell you how may people thing they are just going to self fund LTC or just don’t care and don’t have it. There are so many rules that basically just bleed any retirement away if you have it to get on state medical long term care. And no one wants to buy a LTC plan because if you don’t use it you lose it and they are expensive as fuck
kapdad@reddit
PE is exactly what turned my mom's wonderful center to crap. Infuriating and tragic.
ChewieBearStare@reddit
I’m personally sick of private equity in long-term care. They prioritize saving a buck over everything else. There are laws and regulations, but there always seems to be a loophole. For example, my FIL was in a nursing facility, and the law is that an RN has to be on site at all times. Great…except it doesn’t mean the RN has to provide any of the care. They just have to be somewhere on the property. They can sit in an office and watch TV all day if they want; simply having an RN somewhere on the property satisfies the rule. So of course they hire a single RN and use agency LPN floaters to do the care.
They had one LPN in a unit for 12 vent-dependent patients. She’d never worked in a vent unit and had begged her agency not to send her there, but the did. She had no idea what she was doing. Crushed up one person’s medicines to put on his feeding tube and then came out of his room complaining that he didn’t have a feeding tube. Didn’t even read the chart carefully. Was very rude to me when I asked why my FIL’s heart rate was so high and he was so pale. She said he was fine. Turns out his INR was 5.9 and he was bleeding to death.
evermorecoffee@reddit
Private equity is a cancer. It is ruining businesses and industries, raising the costs of everything and one of the main drivers of the enshittification of life for the 99%.
AlternatiMantid@reddit
It is truly a plague on all service industries, in general.
notabee@reddit
I have seen this in action. It's disgusting. Folks getting older should inquire into things like trusts to try to spare some of the money from the system for their heirs.
Dependent_Ad7711@reddit
This has been going on for 20+ years In the LTAC “industry”.
It’s just financial engineering/private equity games where few people make out and everyone else suffers.
tennezzee88@reddit
i'm in finance in this industry and yeah... it seems pretty spot on what you're saying
xoexohexox@reddit
I've been a hospice RN for nearly half of my almost 20 year career and I've walked into dozens of SNFs and ALFs in my career and it's a nightmare and it keeps getting worse. I'd legit rather be homeless than live in one of those places. I'm keeping my parents home and it will cost way less money and they'll get way better care.
Itchy_Inside1817@reddit
I worked at an assisted living facility for a few years as maintenance/housekeeping. I can confirm this is what they do. I watched quite a few seniors have their life savings transferred to the facility and then get kicked out when the money was gone. I don't see how you can live with yourself and be in management at these places.
celebratetheugly@reddit
The memory care my dad is in just changed hands rapidly this year. The cost has risen rapidly the last three years. I've hunted around for alternative places and they're either even more outrageously expensive or just terrible. We now have two other family members in care facilities too that vary pretty wildly in quality... not sure where I'm going with this but it just doesn't seem sustainable long-term and I'm really dreading getting older.
ShubberyQuest@reddit
Don’t worry - life expectancy will go down significantly, in the next 20 years.
AdoraNadora@reddit
My late aunt lived in a nursing home from 2016 until she died in 2024. Pre-pandemic, it was staffed with ppl who legit cared about the residents and did the best they could with limited resources. It wasn’t luxurious by any means, but my aunt was well taken care of. Private equity bought them out, and it all went to hell. It wasn’t unusual for them to serve PB&J + chips for dinner. The staff turnover went insane. The place was essentially a revolving door that led to neglectful admin and nursing. Long story short, I feel her life was cut short due to neglect and BS cost saving measures put in place to squeeze every single diem out of the place.
MeatElitist@reddit
I work in the long term care industry, this is my experience as well. We aren’t ready for how bad it will be either.
PresenceImportant818@reddit
Hard agree. People paying outrageous money for subpar care (until medicaid kicks in) because staffing is so minimal in quest of cutting costs.
CCT240@reddit
Cannabis industry is burning and not in a good way. Has been for years now.
Logiteck77@reddit
Why?
Witty_Wolf8633@reddit
The Jeffery Epstein Day Care Center. Horrible reviews.
postwarjapan@reddit
The push to get private credit and equity in 401k’s for ‘diversification’ has me wondering. Why did they wait so long before wanting this?
alias454@reddit
They need to unload the bad debt somewhere and us little guys are the perfect scapegoats.
JubalHarshawII@reddit
That's why your 401k should never be invested in anything they can dump bad positions into. Control your investment.
EastTyne1191@reddit
Social security is likely not going to be viable in a few years.
mmmohhh@reddit
Elementary school teacher here \~ we are a sinking ship across the board in education.
Arcaneboltz@reddit
It's starting to show too, teenagers genuinely seem stupider than ever. 2 out of my 3 nephews can barely read or write and they are in highschool. Shocking thing is my sister is a school teacher...
CTTK421@reddit
I read an article not long ago that the genz population and under, are actually the first generations recorded to have their intelligence go down vs up. I've seen it with my nephews.. You can search this online as well. I think we are doing the kids of today a great disservice.. Our education systems are failing as a whole on average. I don't see it as the teachers fault, but I think its become much harder for them.. Parents being hyper involved in subjects that may make THEM uncomfortable... Distractions by electronics...social media..etc.. the list of "whys" is many. But has OP had mentioned, I do think there isn't enough true constructive conversation about our education systems, and the only ones that will suffer, are the generations behind...probably the millennials.. Z, Alpha, etc.. If it isn't corrected, it will be another divide between those that have vs those that have not.. Personal opinion: I think trades would be great, but unfortunately, as someone else commented, even "basic" math is going the way of the dodo in terms of understanding....and you need to know math somewhat. People should be able to do l×w×h to calculate basic volume.
unknownpoltroon@reddit
>Shocking thing is my sister is a school teacher...
Like shes got any spare time to spend with her own kids.
HenricusKunraht@reddit
Mfs get summer off, winter off, and a ton of holidays but they still come up with excuses
theteg@reddit
You know the hours they tend to work ends up being a full time jobs worth for the whole year even with summers off? Most teachers work a lot more than their contracted hours.
HenricusKunraht@reddit
“Trust me bro, I heard about in on reddit”
Nude_Tayne66@reddit
Teacher here, 8th grade, 8hrs a day with almost no chance to be alone with your thoughts or even use the bathroom for 2 minutes.
Come home, work 2-3 hours on lessons, grading, whatever other bullshit they throw on you. It’s way worse the first 3 years when you have no lessons planned and built up.
You get summers off, but yeah, I just don’t think people understand what it’s really like during the school year, it is brutalllll.
No shade on other jobs though, we’ve all got our own shit to deal with.
theteg@reddit
Source: knowing several teachers closely. But please let's spout ignorance.
MargiManiac@reddit
My source is the same as yours. You're expressing an anecdotal fallacy.
Maybe one of your teacher friends could help you understand?
theteg@reddit
So you doing the EXACT same thing makes your opinion valid? Here I'll provide sources, RAND shows most work past their contract hours and that is now three years old. Which has seemed to only get worse (for everyone)
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA1108-9.html
MargiManiac@reddit
After seeing your study I realized you weren't the person I was originally responding to, and I actually agree with you.
theteg@reddit
Shiiiit now I feel bad for talking my shit! But it's a great study to have to back up teachers aren't being treated well
MargiManiac@reddit
It's totally fine! I wasn't nice to you, either!
We good 👍
MargiManiac@reddit
Same as your opinion on teachers?
Wise-Force-1119@reddit
Yep, unfortunately you couldn't pay me to take on that amount of stress and overtime. And it's worse if you actually care. It's a effed system.
Wytch78@reddit
This right here. I teach and am gone 7am to 5pm every day. Folks outside of education have no idea how physically exhausting it can be… especially in the younger grades. The only time you get to sit down is when you go pee… if you can find time to do that.
Sweaty-Feedback-1482@reddit
I know a lot of public school teachers and none of them make even remotely decent money and ALL of them have second or even third jobs. Maybe think from outside your own perspective before you decide to expose your own biases.
HenricusKunraht@reddit
Lol its always “i know a teacher bro trust me” and never “heres the hard proof”
hyrule_47@reddit
I worked with a lot of teachers at my job, which was their second job.
Sweaty-Feedback-1482@reddit
Okay so because I'm not a teacher, the experiences I've witnessed happening to family and friends isn't real? What the fuck would I stand to gain here by making it up?!? You can disagree because apparently ALL the teachers you know are fucking rolling in it while working part time apparently but from my perspective that's not the case.
Let's just agree I think teachers in the US have it really hard and you think you're right because you're super smart and
HenricusKunraht@reddit
LOL please dont cry sweetie
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
You should try it. Look for emergency certification positions around you and show us all how it's done.
HenricusKunraht@reddit
I did, I loved having summer and winter off it was amazing
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
So what happened?
HenricusKunraht@reddit
I liked having vacation but I didn’t really feel any fulfillment working with kids so I switched career path.
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
And what do you do now?
HenricusKunraht@reddit
Dude I have no desire to play 20 questions with you
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
I figured as much.
HenricusKunraht@reddit
Yea good luck, im gonna eat my pancake
Kind-Masterpiece-310@reddit
Coming back and editing a post because of downvotes must hurt too.
Daddysu@reddit
Hey, look! Here's a shining example of the collapse of our education system.
HenricusKunraht@reddit
Nothing like insulting someone to prove what they are saying is wrong 🤓
GWS2004@reddit
Many other professions are the same, but for some reason teachers think this is unique to them.
processedwhaleoils@reddit
I teach a landscaping course for a community college, & i have students who get scared when i show them mulch calculations. It's a simple volume equation:
Length x width x height, then convert to units of volume.
I have never taken a math course above trigonometry in high school. I'm terrified for the future.
ImSobored_5280@reddit
…oh just wait till this generation gets to voting age if you want to experience unimpeded terror
schrodingerspavlov@reddit
We are already seeking the result of this. Forget kids for a second, talk to most average adult Americans now a days (who are all well above voting age) and you’ll see just how far our collective intelligence has fallen.
ImSobored_5280@reddit
…I have no argument against this…lol
ThunderDungeon02@reddit
Probably close to ten years ago I tutored math in a community college. These people did not know a fraction was division. Like if I wrote 12/4 they could not compute it was 3. I was literally told "I can't do fractions" Not to mention in nearly every job I have had during trainings or meetings where people would be asked to read...holy shit. They read like my toddler.
schrodingerspavlov@reddit
This one is so prevalent, but it is not a new as some people think. When I was in college (nearly 20yrs ago) I was stunned by this. These were people my same age (~20yo) who sounded like children trying to read. The words they would get hung up on not difficult. It seemed as though they just never read — at all. Someone would correct them on a word and then they would go “Oh is that that word? I know that, I’ve just never seen it written down before”.
Releesaj663@reddit
what, did you take their phone away so they couldn’t ask their favorite ai? i say this with great sarcasm and sadness.
processedwhaleoils@reddit
Haha that got a real chuckle out of me. in slight seriousness, i did tell them that I'd be really bummed out if they bothered using ai for anything horticulture related, considering the environmental damage alone.
Releesaj663@reddit
Excellent point on the environmental damage - thank you for being a good teacher (prof? Facilitator? Adjunct?) to them. 🥰
processedwhaleoils@reddit
Thank you :) I'm just an adjunct. I literally teach students how to garden and it's soooo easy and fun.
weJtiddeR@reddit
Wow, that No Child Left Behind act sure has proven successful huh
obaroll@reddit
For all the problems NCLB(2001-2015) had, the best thing about it was the focus on reading and math to fit into the standardized testing.
The replacement ESSA (2015-now) fucked up by reducing federal oversight and letting states determine the criteria for a successful school program. So the standards have been politicized beyond belief.
onehalfpaper@reddit
With the number of responsibilities they have, your sister is probably spending more time watching the other 30 children than her own children. It's sad really because most teachers already take a summer job just to get by, and their salaries are still not going up. They also don't get subs or bus drivers easily anymore in schools because it's wild out there.
lacunadelaluna@reddit
Because it's wild and they want to pay you peanuts to deal with that wildness!!
Walt_Lee3@reddit
This is why I quit my teaching job!
TrekRider911@reddit
Our local community college now has reading classes for incoming freshmen, because they found kids were failing first year classes because they couldn't..... read.
Gnarls66@reddit
This isn’t new, the community college I went to in 1991 had the same remedial programs for entering freshmen who did not do well on assessment tests they had to take when enrolling at the cc.
TrekRider911@reddit
Oh sure. I took remedial programs when I enrolled in college too (for English that!), but these programs are new. It literally is teaching people who test in at the 2nd grade level. It is insane.
MartaLSFitness@reddit
They are stupider than ever. Pretty sure most of them don't do their homework anymore, they just rely on AI for that. I can't blame them for that since I've done the same at their age, but still. There's a whole ecosystem of AI for cheating in exams and homework.
existing_for_fun@reddit
I didn't learn to read from school. My parents taught me even before I was in school. School refined my skills, but my parents stayed on my ass and kept me reading into high school.
If a child can't read, school is partially to blame.
Parents are mostly to blame. 10 minutes a day can literally change a life by reading. I blame parents for the most part.
Exotic_Put_7365@reddit
Books were always important in my family, so I learned to read early on as well.
When I was little, my mom would read to us because we were too poor to afford a television (this was late 70s.) One of the books she read was Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel." There's a section in the book where the young man is struggling to find courses in high school that would prepare him for the space program and can't find any. His father buys him a bunch of science books and says, "You're responsible for your own education."
I have never read "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel" for myself, but that line has stuck with me these 40-some-odd-years.
You absolutely are responsible for your own education.
seahorsemountain@reddit
I mean, patents are mostly to blame for all of the “kids these days” complaints. That is true now, and true when people were saying it about whoever is reading this was a kid.
DissedFunction@reddit
yeah. my parents pretty much taught me to read and write as well.
and we had tons of books to read.
existing_for_fun@reddit
We lived in a very rural area. My parents would take us to the library (early 90's) and we'd get some books for like a 60 day period, then go back to the library again after that and repeat.
My mom would align the library trip with a general trip to town and it would be the whole day of chores, errands, library, groceries, etc.
I loved the library part but hated the rest of the day lol
SplakyD@reddit
I had a very similar experience growing up here in Alabama. Sadly, our library board has been completely captured by "Moms 4 Liberty" and librarians are losing their licenses or being outright fired for being "woke" if they don't comply with those ghouls' censorship.
DissedFunction@reddit
lol yeah. we'd go visit our grandma in MO and it was hot and humid but the library was ice cold. needless to say, spent a lot of time in the library during the summer.
circusgeek@reddit
I learned to read at home. Taught by my parents. But my 3rd grade teacher, Mrs. Baker, taught me to love reading. She had the experience and training to know what books to steer me towards. Now, as a 50 year old, I am ahead of my peers with regards to reading. I read 5-7 books a year for pleasure.
uselessandexpensive@reddit
I think it's worth saying that a significant part of this is likely due to device reliance/addiction. The introduction of laptops in classrooms has recently been recognized to not produce better educational outcomes, short-form videos are terrible for attention among other things, and AI is clearly an experiment in using humans to train human replacements while profiting off those humans, while giving them terrible advice, lying merely to give a good-sounding answer, and teaching them how to intentionally or unintentionally kill each other.
Reluctant_Crow912@reddit
Imagine a family unable to get dyslexia and dysgraphia services from a public school, even with diagnoses. Despite IDEA law. That’s the situation we’re in. The only people holding IDEA together are parents, because it’s designed that way, and lawyers cost as much as a house.
adoradear@reddit
Ding ding ding. Parents can work as hard as they can, but if a learning disorder is in the picture, they’re not going to be able to do it. We’re self funding everything for our LD kiddo, and it’s fucking expensive and very hard to find tutors.
attilathehunn@reddit
Could be brain damage from repeated covid infections
Eric_Durden@reddit
Its been declining longer than people think. 7 years ago I did the on-board training for a manufacturer that has alot of entry level work, and at that time 18-22 yos were dumb af. Couldn't barely read or write, those that could write, the penmanship was terrible. I saw several try and write with the pen in their fist like a toddler with a crayon. Zero computer literacy. Worst part was, they were all lazy, had short fuses and an aura of indignity like they were always ready to fight. Stressful stuff, I feel so bad for teachers if these are the kids crowding into classrooms...
valiantthorsintern@reddit
I was hanging with my nephew (HS Senior) at Christmas and he asked me who the Noel guy was on all the Xmas decorations. I guess his folks should be happy he could read it.
chrisaukcam@reddit
A teacher that I spoke with said that they felt that "No child left behind" was a part of the problem. What started happening was that indeed no one was left behind - they would just get passed. Students learned that and put out less effort. Also making the kids stay home during the pandemic was a recent problem. It was a period of time that was lost for most students.
SeaSaltNRum@reddit
Agreed. When all we do is teach how to beat a test it doesn’t produce actual functioning individuals.
Technical-Public-677@reddit
They canceled summer programs at my wife’s school
ripnrun285@reddit
As a child of lifelong educators, this infuriates me at the same level medical price gouging does. Unfortunately, it falls on deaf ears just the same as ppl’s lives being traded for corporate profit. Apathy will be what ultimately kills America.
wwaxwork@reddit
This one feels intentional like there are a group of people torpedoing the ship on purpose.
schrodingerspavlov@reddit
Glad to see your eyes are opening to the subtext behind the narrative. An uneducated population is less able to fend for themselves, more reliant on government and other oligarchical institutions, and ultimately easier to control.
They can’t and won’t fight back if they don’t even realize they are under attaché and have been for decades. They want information/education to have the same class disparity as wealth. Money + information is power, and they don’t want you to have too much of either, lest you may revolt and challenge that power.
gratefulkittiesilove@reddit
Yes.
jednaz@reddit
You don’t say….
VXMerlinXV@reddit
I can tell by the number of my friends who are getting out of teaching at middle age and jumping into literally anything else. I know a guy who opened a strip mall karate school. He was a vice principal.
loveshercoffee@reddit
Lunchlady here. The high cost of food and the low reimbursement rate is killing us. We are going to have hungry kids and it's going to make your job even harder.
Gonna_do_this_again@reddit
I live in a smallish town, around 30k people I think. We just closed one of our 3 elementary schools.
SpeakCodeToMe@reddit
Part of that is that people aren't having kids and fewer are needed.
surenuff_n_yesido@reddit
My hometown is a medium-sized city (roughly 267k people) in the upper Midwest and they just closed 7 public elementary schools. It doesn’t seem like a lot but our public school system is already a wreck, much like everywhere else. This could very well increase class sizes which are already too full.
Futureacct@reddit
Same thing happening in my small county of like 10K people. Will be down to two elementary schools in the fall.
Tradtrade@reddit
Did you see the video of American older teens being asked to read a sentence? It was something like “she wore an outfit with an extraordinary silhouette and was gauche” they literally could not even guess at reading it or what it meant
eatingscaresme@reddit
Omg yes. No problem solving. Learned helplessness. No attention spans... its scary.
Trinityofwar@reddit
So lets give them an iPad, ugh.
horseradishstalker@reddit
Then you will happy to know AI companies view education as a one of the last large areas to make money - serious money.
Fit_Peach-@reddit
Yeah I don't know exactly what is going on but I assume classes are too big and teachers are not getting the support they need.
I will say a roman who just graduated with her degree in teaching told me most of the people she knew in college were cheating and using AI throughout their studies. That doesn't help matters.
I think we need to scrap Chromebooks and go back to regular textbooks. Tech classes can start in high-school.
WSBpeon69420@reddit
There was a study that shows as soon as more tech came into school the kids got dumber. This Gen Z is the first generation that’s actually not smarter than their parents. And one of the problems is teachers not being able to fail kids it’s not merit based. No one gets failed everyone gets to move forward. If there’s a failure they blame the teachers or the school not the shitty kid.
timesink3000@reddit
This is by design. The military needs dummies to grease the wheels and the uneducated vote for Republicans.
kapdad@reddit
Why? What's happening? Less kids to teach?
MotherOfGeeks@reddit
My kids all graduated between 6 and 9 years ago. The class sizes just kept increasing the entire time they were in school.
When my eldest was in elementary school there were 3 nurses rotating through and some overlap to dispense crucial meds & trouble shoot issues, when the youngest graduated there was 1 nurse for a school of 800 kids. No more drivers ed, auto shop, metal shop, home economics, the band budget cut in half, arts not funded, after school activities minimal. Any penny that could be shaved was.
Youcants1tw1thus@reddit
*In some states
Own-Concert6836@reddit
I thought about teaching for a really long time, but it feels that all across the board with schools, parents, communites, school boards, and the federal government that the pendulum is swinging against education. My state for example has a 50+% burnout rate for teachers in their first 5 years
Embarrassed-Thing340@reddit
Cause idiots think they needed a loan at interest to go to college to teach 5 year olds lmao
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
Not to mention the outright fraud in grading and standards. The country is about to meet a generation of "graduates" who can't read, write, calculate, or control themselves.
Badger_Actual1@reddit
The telecommunications industry. A socket set, cable cutter and a hay hook will get you access to to fiber optic lines that cross the country that if cut, would cost hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars per minute. The telecom providers hire the cheapest labor who cut corners left and right. None of these companies keep proper records of where these fiber lines run. The people that know, have all retired. Its a time-bomb just ticking
Hmd5304@reddit
I wish this got the attention it deserves, but I'm just rolling with it cause I'm in no position to do anything about it.
When it all comes crashing down, I'll have the last laugh, cause I've got physical media of everything I like and a prepper disk for everything else.
Badger_Actual1@reddit
Access to food and water and basic services are extremely important but if comms are lost, the next town over might as well be across the country.
Appropriate-Fun-922@reddit
Public health especially HIV and anything related to substance use
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
Can you expand on this?
Appropriate-Fun-922@reddit
RFK and doge cuts have everyone scrambling and fighting over grants. A lot of HIV and substance user grants were cut for being too related to DEI and civil rights. Organizations are losing hundreds of thousands in state and federal funding
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
That was what I figured. Thank you for clarifying
Legitimate-Nail2720@reddit
We are about to go over a cliff with like the Great Depression.
You have multiple pillars failing simultaneously as the last 25 years have been slow regulatory capture that has eroded the mechanisms that prevent exactly this kind of thing.
From an academic and historical standpoint it’s quite clear what happens next, it just depends what our response is to that, but tribalisms never been higher.
I’m not usually a prep kind of guy, but I may have just bought a new gun and several hundred rounds for my other weapons. Gonna need some more dehydrated Food just in case. Power should last. We have good jobs that aren’t affected (both in private regulatory fields) that will outlast a 10 year downturn.
dyspnea@reddit
Public health is falling apart from the top down, and unfortunately, it has been designed as a top down system. We need to see a rebuilding of public health from state level out, to local and also to federal, as the primary agents of policy and funding.
dyspnea@reddit
Good prep advice is to get vaccinated against MMR, as many infectious diseases as you can, monkeypox if you can’t get smallpox vaccine, and rabies.
burnsian@reddit
Commercial trucking. Fewer loads out there. Industry reports owner operators choosing to park their rigs and do something else for now in the hopes things improve.
thefedfox64@reddit
Car dealerships. Rates still to high for most people, and those that I talk to keep waiting for the rates to drop. Another month, or 3, or 6.
They hope rates will go back to 2.99% - which would kill the economy.
Think_Cupcake6758@reddit
Their service departments as well. Honestly the only thing keeping a lot of them alive right now is the never ending list of recalls.
thefedfox64@reddit
True, and not to be "that" person. But the overhead, cheese and crackers. Oil changes should not be 129 bucks, Im all for living wages, but $69.99 for most oil changes need to be a thing
xamott@reddit
Gas cars. Dead man walking. It’s like 20 companies that are just gonna die like Blockbuster. ALL of them.
techtornado@reddit
I got on the EV train early
Saved so much money
tennezzee88@reddit
yeah til you have to replace your battery. and wait til they just lock you out of your car/shut your car down whenever they want. low iq comment.
techtornado@reddit
Talk about an uneducated point of view
Batteries are designed to be a lifetime component, I’m driving two EV’s that are almost 10 years old as well
That lockout is for gas and electric 2026+ model years for a ton of treasons and shouldn’t have ever been implemented
Apart_Culture_3564@reddit
Same. My EV is 10 years old and needs zero maintenance. Couple that with solar and there’s just co comparison. Never going back to ICE cars.
techtornado@reddit
Nice!
I’m having my inverter repaired right now, but the free sun energy is awesome 😎
Which EV have you got?
tennezzee88@reddit
lmao. naive.
techtornado@reddit
Speak authoritatively then, magic hand-waving away facts is a bad look for you
tennezzee88@reddit
yeah that's not at all what this is bud.
techtornado@reddit
Then what is it?
Honest people present their ideas clearly and succinctly the first time
MaternalFornicator2@reddit
Just hoping for better interest rates (not excited to have a large monthly note to cover the joke that is interest), and moving to a region that actually has chargers. Otherwise I'll have to ride it out with fuel for a while longer.
arresteddev7@reddit
Retail pharmacy. PBMs are wrecking us with negative reimbursements. We mostly survive because we can get a more decent margin on vaccines. This is why your pharmacies are always asking you about getting a shot or sending text reminders for flu and covid shots. It’s the only thing keeping us afloat. This is also why independents are closing left and right. Add to it the DEA law suits (see what happened to Rite Aid) bankrupting companies.
Pharmacists are completely burnt out and abused both by the public and by corporate. We are constantly expected to do more more more with less help. It’s actually insane how much has been cut. One pharmacy I used to work at in 2018? At the time they had 2 40h/week pharmacists and an additional 1 at 20h/week on staff. They additionally always had at least 4-5 technicians working with pharmacist overlap. Now? Their script volume has doubled, but they completely cut out the 3rd pharmacist, decreased pharmacist overlap to 1 day a week for only 3 hours, and cut technician help so only 3 work throughout the entire 12 hour day. On top of the script volume increasing, vaccine goals have tripled, and now we do test to treat services too resulting in a pharmacist acting as an urgent care provider in some cases.
I am a retail pharmacist. I am not convinced my job will exist in this capacity in 10 years. The only thing keeping corporations from ditching all of us is the regulatory boards and laws. Trust me - they’d way rather have 1 remote pharmacist do the verifying for 5+ locations and have technicians run the show than be forced to pay for at least one of us to be on site in a 1:1 pharmacist:store fashion.
hanno1531@reddit
i’m a hospital pharmacy tech. on the tech side, in my hospital specifically, turn over is very high. many pharmacists here are overloaded and stressed out, i hear them vent frequently. we’ve had 5 or 6 leave in the past year. there is also chaos and alot of frustration and dysfunction in how things are ran from the top down.
Coolbreeze1989@reddit
Could you elaborate on the negative reimbursement concept? I’m a retired (x10yrs) pediatrician, so I played the health insurance game but my drug benefits perplex the hell out of me. All I can figure (with my high deductible plan) is my PBM decides I should pay $100 for a $5 med, CLEARLY they aren’t giving that profit to a pharmacy, so I pay $100, pharmacy keeps $5.05, and the $94.95 “extra” profit is sent by pharmacy to PBM? Is that really how things are working now?? Thanks
arresteddev7@reddit
The gist of it is that they reimburse us below the acquisition cost of the drug. Let’s say we order a medication that costs the pharmacy $500. Our prescription software adjudicates the claim to the insurance to be the acquisition cost of the drug + some percent profit on it for dispensing (I’m not privy to these details at the retail level). The PBM returns and chooses to only pay the pharmacy $400. Patient may or may not have a copay to get you to the acquisition cost. Often times they don’t. So we are literally losing money on filling certain medications. This is even before accounting for labor and supplies. This is a big part of what’s taking out independents.
DIR fees are mostly done away with, but that was a major expense for years as well. Example: I bill 9 tablets of Nurtec to insurance for a 30 day supply. Well I didn’t specifically document a conversation with the doctor detailing how many migraines per month the patient has and that 9 tablets are intended to last 30 days. So the insurance decides to reclaim all of the money it’s paid the last year, meaning now we pharmacies eat the cost of the drug for all of the times it was dispensed that year. It was always stupid shit too like billing a bowel prep for a colonoscopy for a 1 day supply when insurance believes it should be a 2 day supply because the patient is technically waking up in the middle of the night to finish the prep. Or filling an estradiol vaginal cream at day 30 because the insurance limits day supplies to 30 when it actually should be a 148 day supply but of course the autofill system doesn’t know this. It puts it in because it appears ready to fill since we billed for the insurance maximum. But then insurance knows this and tries to say we are billing it wrong because it filled automatically sooner than day 148.
Coolbreeze1989@reddit
Thx for sharing this.
Damn I hate this fucking system
Think_Cupcake6758@reddit
We’ve noticed that in our area as well. We used to have several pharmacies in town (CVS, RiteAid, Walgreens) not including the big box store and grocery stores that have or had operational pharmacies. In the past 5 or so years the area has lost all of its CVS, Rite Aid and Walgreens. Now people in town literally have 2 pharmacies. That’s it! Walmart and the local Stop and Shop are now the only options and I’ve seen where their normally well-stocked inventory is rapidly depleted and it’s now taking days just to get a prescription filled.
No_Possible_7108@reddit
Look on the bright side, when all the doctors offices and hospitals fail, pharma work will slow way on down! /s
dandy-dilettante@reddit
From the original thread. I work in a hospital in Europa and we’re currently already having gloves shortage.
kirbygay@reddit
The moon?
Bipogram@reddit
That's no moon.
That's a common trading bloc and visa-free entity.
morganational@reddit
AI.
R2-DMode@reddit
The DNC. Seriously. They have no actual leadership, no defined platform, and donors are tightening their purse strings. Their strategy of “Orange Man bad” falls apart after midterms.
lorihamlit@reddit
They also refuse to acknowledge what their base wants. This coming midterm election is going to be really interesting to see who actually gets reelected and who doesn’t. It’ll effect leadership even if they’re not up for reelection.
techtornado@reddit
The Redditors that vote blue want straight up communism and it’s tiring having to teach them about the Berlin Wall
lorihamlit@reddit
Ya you’re right. Corporations paying their fair share and universal healthcare definitely communism. So glad we’re not reeling from the communist programs implemented as we speak in Europe! Definitely better off without those programs!
R2-DMode@reddit
Can you define “fair share” using a real number value? Dollars or percentage will do.
IncomingAxofKindness@reddit
The top 0.1% of Americans have 6 times more wealth and property than the bottom 50% COMBINED.
Let’s start there. Can we maybe take, I dunno… 15% of that and fix some things that are really important and MOST of us could really use?
And by the way, we could wipe out the national debt if the top 1% gave up half their wealth.
R2-DMode@reddit
So, “fair” means it’s applied equally to everyone. So everyone should pay 15% in taxes?
IncomingAxofKindness@reddit
BZZZzzzttt wrong. WHO does all the work for scraps? And who does nothing but use their wealth to compound passively into more wealth?
People breaking their bodies for corporate profits should be getting much much more of those profits.
R2-DMode@reddit
If one group pays a higher percentage than another group, how is that “fair”? That’s literally the opposite of fair.
Plastic_Home_2075@reddit
Fair doesn’t necessarily mean equal, genius.
R2-DMode@reddit
Sorry you’re poor and want other people’s money. It doesn’t work that way.
Plastic_Home_2075@reddit
Hey, I got two words for you and they ain’t “let’s dance.”
R2-DMode@reddit
Good point. Reminds me that I have a piece of that wall in my office.
techtornado@reddit
I’ve got pictures of it from my Eurotrip ;)
I’m also reading this book about the wall and life on both sides of it
R2-DMode@reddit
I need to read that…
techtornado@reddit
It's really good, I've made it halfway through the main tunnel dig
TheRainbowConnection@reddit
At this point all I want is a repair of what the GOP destroyed and punishment for everyone who made it happen.
R2-DMode@reddit
Indeed. There’s a very real chance California elects a Republican governor this year, as the Dem candidates are terrible options.
tennezzee88@reddit
do yourself a favor and stop partaking in americanized politics
R2-DMode@reddit
Well, I live here, so that’s a bit unrealistic.
tennezzee88@reddit
it's not unrealistic. you make no difference with your partaking. no one does.
R2-DMode@reddit
Maybe you and I have different definitions of “partaking”?
WhiskeyEjac@reddit
I work in freight and logistics, and it is an actual shit show right now.
Let's start with tarriffs. My customers (corporations) pay them, then expect me to lower our freight costs when we handle the freight to help mediate the rising costs.
Now, months and months later, the corporations are being reimbursed for tarriff costs, while my contracting agency, and all of my drivers have been the ones absorbing the brunt of that cost to try and maintain relationships with customers through a difficult time. Not great!
Now fuel- Obviously with the fuel cost increasing on a daily basis, drivers need more to operate, but our customers obviously don't want to pay more, so it's a constant race to the bottom for the absolute shittiest, and cheapest service they can get. These are American businesses, many of whom want only American drivers, but absolutely will not pay for them.
This brings me to the ridiculous crackdown on foreign// "non-english speaking" drivers -which has been a nightmare, because those drivers worked hard, and held a lot of this industry on their shoulders. Most were citizens. Many were on Visas. Many came to this country and started trucking businesses. Very respectable and reliable. It kept the market fair, and saturated. I rarely have had a situation of an actual undocumented person in my many years in this business. That being said, the verbage is "non-English speaking," so none of that actually matters!
Now I have John Smith from Alabama crossing his arms, saying he won't get out of bed to move his truck for less than $5 per mile, while the customers have been used to paying $2 per mile to a competetive mix of foreign/ "non-english speaking" drivers. All of that cost is directly passed on to the consumer. - so it's not just the fuel.
A significant portion of the American owner-operator drivers that I've dealt with for years went out of business this year because the customers won't pay the inflated freight rates. -And I can't use the non-english speaking drivers because they don't want foreign drivers.
You do the math for what happens next. Does not compute.
This industry is like a rubber band, and I've had probably the worst quarter in sales that I've had in 4 years. I am actually terrified of what is going to happen when that rubber band snaps back, because I believe that even if the fuel prices were rectified tomorrow, the damage done on the logistics side will take YEARS of high costs to calm back down to any sense of normalcy.
I try not to get directly political, but literally every single thing that this administration has done has completely ruined my industry, and I'm in constant fear for my business and my career.
The_F1rst_Rule@reddit
Healthcare
Completely reliant on the broken Insurance Industry. Layoffs and unemployment will just exacerbate strain on weak points like the ER and EMS.
Burnout among staffing is rampant.
Hospitals systems are consolidating and contracting. The death of the small rural hospitals puts additional strain on the remaining larger systems. Six Sigma efficiency are creating a shoestring system that is even more ill prepared for the next shock than the last.
This was the TLDR btw. Its real bad.
Leftoverofferings@reddit
I guess it depends on where you work. Medicare cuts have hurt some systems, but others seem to be thriving. And it depends where you’re located. I work in a large metro area. Rural hospitals are in trouble.
The_F1rst_Rule@reddit
There's a lot of small metros that are now getting all the rural refugees, and emergency rooms have always been the safety net for the failings of our system.
Im not saying their isnt money in Healthcare, a huge portion of our economy is built around taking care of our aging population, but its not really doing was its presumed to do. The divide between the haves and have nots is growing in our system and its obvious on the EMS side. Not as obvious from inside a big new glass building that has a doctor's lounge that looks like a Centurion airport lounge.
Leftoverofferings@reddit
Yes. I was just speaking of Healthcare employment. I haven't been without a job for 35 years. It's still a sector that is doing OK.
ThunderDungeon02@reddit
Also, the way healthcare is structured in rural areas is absolute shit. I've lived in more urban areas and if you were sick you saw primary care. If you thought you sprained your ankle or had a cut or what have you, then it was urgent care. And ER was heart, can't breathe.
Where I'm at now, primary care is mainly used for yearly checkups. If you are sick you go to urgent care because primary care takes a month to 3 months to get in. Many times the urgent care is staffed with one provider so the wait time is insane, like 3 hours or longer. So now everyone ends up in the ER. So the urgent care is the one that really suffers because they are constantly understaffed due to burnout. Sometimes they literally are just closed because there isn't anybody to work. And now with this administration making NPs amd PAs not professionals amd reducing the amount of loans they can get...good luck. The shortage is just beginning, in another 10 years its gonna be fucked.
Empty-Presentation68@reddit
I work as a paramedic in Ontario, 10 years ago when I started. I Was competing against 1000's of candidates for 40 positions. Now they have a hard time to find competent candidates to fill up 40 positions. Even then, they will hire people that should not be a paramedic. After covid, seems like a lot of people do not want to become paramedics, Staff is burned out, the nurses I see in the ER are burned out. Our salaries are better than our american counterparts. However, our pay hasn't kept up with inflation. We are losing soo many experience paramedics.
adoradear@reddit
Canadian emerg doc here co-signing. We’re fucked. The burn out is set to crispy, and the staffing reflects the situation. We didn’t prep for the silver tsunami, and now we are so so fucked. It’s going to get so very much worse before it gets better (if it does).
Sorry_End3401@reddit
I would also like to add, after reading on this only-I am not a professional-red states seem to be losing their science based gynecologists by the legions. Choosing better outcomes in “bluer” areas
PresenceImportant818@reddit
It's happening now. Patients waiting months and months for specialty visits. I can't imagine the pressure this puts on primary care and ER's.
cyanescens_burn@reddit
I can’t believe how many times I got shouted down by rural right wingers last year when I’d mention this issue was on its way. They’d blame it on Biden or call it fear mongering. Thing is, I’m just hearing what the people in those fields are saying, which is exactly what you mentioned, and sharing that. I’m not making it up.
RealAssociation5281@reddit
Man it’s wild to see the fall of the economy in your early 20s
NotDinahShore@reddit
Reading through this thread and the “mother” thread… while realizing that the stock market makes fresh daily all-time highs… is surreal.
I used to work in the investment industry. I have an MBA with concentration in investments. I understand the thinking. But I’m out of it for 20 years. The disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street is beyond profound. Look up Dan Ives if you don’t know who he is. He’s the poster child for what is happening in this era.
This can only end in utter destruction of society.
WSBpeon69420@reddit
I’m nearly in my financial career but I don’t understand how things can be sustainable like this. Higher and higher supposed profits each quarter driving some of these stocks higher and higher for no real reason other than retail investor speculation. Besides a hard crash I don’t know what else would work and there’s a fine line between the crash that needs to happen and the one that ends the entire system and everything that we know
tennezzee88@reddit
hoping for the latter tbh
WSBpeon69420@reddit
You say that but you have zero idea what that entails . It’s fun to pretend what that scenario is but we Americans have zero clue what the true results of that would be
tennezzee88@reddit
lmao it's better than this horse shit bud. way more natural. i prefer that over this.
WSBpeon69420@reddit
Yes potential for hundreds of thousands of deaths in a true collapse is way better than clean drinking water and getting food at a grocery store
tennezzee88@reddit
for sure. grocery store is unnatural man. you're so lost. grocery stores are for profits and fake foods. we have to return to true societies where you know your butcher and baker. unfuck your mind.
WSBpeon69420@reddit
Yeah that would be great except if we actually have a true collapse we are going to go right through that and into anarchy and death. I would love for things to get more local but it’s not going to happen anytime soon when we prioritize data centers instead of farms
SitaBird@reddit
What’s the mother thread?
jacscarlit@reddit
OP posted question from another thread. Look at OP post and see the r/AskReddit thread.
spyputs1@reddit
The street is pricing in hyperinflation
itec745@reddit
Economic depression 2029? Hope it won’t repeat this time
mumwifealcoholic@reddit
And it will.
Itisthatbo1@reddit
I work in hazardous waste disposal, and while I don’t think the industry itself is on fire, I know that my specific job is currently in a tug of war fight with the state environmental inspection office to see who runs out of money first, and so far the people at the top are confident the state will run out of money because we are doing some shady shit like storing tons of oil and gasoline in improper conditions.
awareman9@reddit
what state are you in?
Itisthatbo1@reddit
Michigan
massacre898@reddit
Ooof
zombiefish69@reddit
Healthcare, there is a trend of more administrative people making $100k than pt care employees across the board and stagnant wages leaving the only options to move around or fall behind financially. Healthcare IS collapsing.
wwaxwork@reddit
Found out a "fun" fact that food today is less nutritious than food in the 1950's. I don't mean junk food or processed foods I mean whole foods. A study analyzing USDA data between 1950 and 1999 found up to a 38% decline of 13 nutrients in 43 different types of vegetable crops these nutrients included protein, calcium, iron, and vitamin C. Breeding crops for faster growth and higher yield often leads to lower concentrations of vitamins and minerals. Higher atmospheric CO2 levels can increase plant starch/sugar content while decreasing important mineral uptake. Intensive industrial agriculture has resulted in over-farmed soils that lack the nutrients needed for plant absorption. To obtain the same amount of certain nutrients as in the 1970s, consumers may need to eat significantly more produce today. Food is now less nutritionally dense than it used to be.
Hell a 170 year long study into wheat in the UK, one of the oldest continuous agricultural experiments in the world has been comparing the effects of inorganic and organic fertilizers on wheat, even when ground nutrients remain the same modern wheat is not as nutrient dense as earlier varieties. Basically by adding a dwarfing gene to wheat, they made it less prone to disease and easier to harvest with a larger seed head, and helped feed the world. But unfortunately a larger seed head does not increase the nutrient uptake by the plant, so that the same amount of nutrients that were in the smaller seed heads are spread over the larger seed head, making each seed less nutrient dense but increasing the starch levels 3fold. One of the reason modern carbs are so bad is that ratio of carbs to nutrients is way down. They are calorie rich but nutrient poor.
That's before we get into the pumping of salt water in to meat, that meat now a days is no longer aged so contains more natural liquids too, making it heavier but also less nutritionally dense
Mrsdrspaghetti@reddit
I work in food and age and this is true! A big part of this problem is also soil health. Fossil fuel based fertilizers and pesticides decimate all the good bacteria in soils, which means less processing of nutrients and vitamins in soils. Dead soil = less nutrients in our fruits and veggies. Organic is a bit better and can help. At a recent conference I learned that one organic blueberry has the same nutrition content as 7 non-orgnanic blueberries!
tennezzee88@reddit
it's even worse than you laid out
colorfulgiant@reddit
This is one of the most depressing comments I have ever read on this sub. Man.
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
Been true and getting worse for many decades..
Green revolution, my fucking arse 🤬
We have killed most top soil microbiota long ago
Tradtrade@reddit
That’s capitalism babyyyyt
OccultEcologist@reddit
One of my exes actually couldn't eat my garden-grown heirloom tomatoes because of the differences between them and modern store bought tomatoes. It's appearently not that uncommon due to two different aspects - differences in allaloid content and differences in acidity.
splat-y-chila@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H3VhsnyCdI a docu on the same subject, if you want to watch/listen.
BothEntertainment00@reddit
Auto manufacturers. The vehicles are too expensive for most people, but people can still finance them easily which is good for them. However, millions of people are upside down on purchases to a massive degree they can't trade in on a new one now hurting sales.
nobody4456@reddit
Nursing is falling apart. Specialty training is being done by new grads and nurses are going directly for masters degrees without practicing. There are very few experienced nurses in leadership or education roles currently.
Adventurous-Elk-9782@reddit
I have a fairly
Affordable condo for sale on the very edge of metro Detroit 14 days and not a single showing. I’ve bought and sold 7 houses in my life never have I seen it this dead.
lm1670@reddit
My condo in downtown Columbus just had its first showing today after being on the market for three months. The condo market is rough because no one wants to pay the exorbitant HOA fees.
tennezzee88@reddit
lmao anyone who is willing to deal with an HOA is dumb
lm1670@reddit
For a single female who knows nothing about houses and wants a secure building + community for safety, it’s not dumb.
WhatIsHerJob-TABLES@reddit
Interesting. I’m looking for houses in metro Detroit and I’m still dealing with houses selling in a week and going for over-asking. I’ve already lost out on 3 houses from other bids that went over-asking within a week.
Adventurous-Elk-9782@reddit
I think it’s condo market
Melinoe2016@reddit
In most areas houses are getting multiple bids above asking price still. Idk what’s going on with yours
gplfalt@reddit
[Houses] [condo not moving]
There's your answer. Houses are still moving. Condos aren't in a lot of markets.
Slow_Tap2350@reddit
This is not what I’ve seen.
Ok-Morning-2806@reddit
Fossil fuel
Complex_Material_702@reddit
Farming
Any and everything that has to do with science
Chance_Stuff_5270@reddit
It's going to be said a few times here, but AI. The public is distracted by other aspects of it. What isnt being talked about is that a lot of companies who hinge on short-term, next quarter turnaround are now passing the projected dates where its implementation was supposed to give them something to show for it, and in most cases, it's proven to be a net loss, and is projected to stay that way.
These are companies that have dumped insane amounts of cash into this, have fired vital people with the assumption AI could do it, and its underperforming to a pretty horrifying degree. Add to that, the fact that its data-hallucination problems are really coming to light, and you can see how bad this is going to be for the companies that went full-bore into it.
These roads will lead back to the industry that sold them on the AI revolution. And it's going to get ugly for them. You're already seeing it with OpenAI, but the others aren't far behind, I reckon.
KoreyYrvaI@reddit
This is doubly depressing because they're shoving AI into everything. I'm in Nuclear Energy and we just had a discussion about how they want to replace a lot of our document review process with AI.
TheDewd@reddit
AI generally has the capabilities and personality of an over-educated intern with no real world experience.
Content_Frosting_127@reddit
Hard agree. This is the case in a certain sector of EdTech.
NuclearPopTarts@reddit
Agreed. AI is generally given away for free. Not a sustainable business model.
uselessandexpensive@reddit
This is a common business model. You provide something at a loss until the destruction of competition creates dependence, then you slowly increase costs until they are higher than they ever were before.
The thing they're trying to replace is human intelligence and capability.
OccultEcologist@reddit
I think it's meant to be the Google Chromebook model - offer your shit for free until the system utterly depends on you, then hike the prices.
My understanding is that's what's happening with Claude at least. But I don't know much about Claude, personally, so that might just be my friends biasing me.
OBotB@reddit
The companies have their highly paid executives that cycle in and are available as "I saved Company X $#million dollars this quarter" while not looking at how the actions impact the overall health and sustainability of their workforce and service/product. That executive is the "someone to blame" when things go wrong, but by the time that happens they've earned massive amounts and can float away on it for a few months before being scooped up at a different company.
I commented on it in a different thread of these comments, the massive cost in AI Token price increases is going to destroy a lot of companies that already fired essential personnel on the idea that AI (and offshoring) is the solution for everything.
stephendt@reddit
I'm also in tech but I'm actually seeing AI do pretty well for us, yes it is expensive up front but there are pathways to huge future cashflows and the tech is genuinely transformational for some industries. The pace of development is also pretty wild. I don't think data hallucinations are a major issue long term, there's a lot of work going into mitigating this and it's certainly improved a lot in the last 6 months
BugsyMcNug@reddit
Food industry. I stepped out of it a couple years back. I was never an owner and I have turned down in my career two seperate offers to buy in. I'd rather spend someone else's money.
The margins in the kitchen are razor thin these days. It started back in 08, and it took every trick in the book to stay in the black without lying to your boss. Ingredients that used to cost 40 cents per unit are now past a doller.
The average person doesn't really get it. They think that they show up, get food, bitch that 20 dollars for a burger is too much while pretending they give a fuck about a living wage. How do I know this? I get a lot of emails. I'm apart of a few email chains and the providers just don't know that I'm still cc'd. When lettuce triples in price it isn't feasible to have a ceaser salad on the menu, but you still need it on the menu because it's a ceaser salad. Most places won't charge the realistic twenty dollars, so every time that slad is made, money is lost. That is just a small example. Restos are fucked from the mom and pop to the big chain level. You need to sell a lot of booze to even have it make sense to keep doing it.
It was my passion, but I need rent, pension and benefits... So I just can't do it anymore. Took 24 years to get to 25 an hour plus gears. You can start in a warehouse for 28 dollars. The dream is a lie.
MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS@reddit
While I have no doubt it’s worse than it’s ever been restaurants have had razor thin profits since I’ve been in the industry. If you want to be a business owner for the money do NOT go into restaurants.
Appropriate-Dust3838@reddit
Can confirm. Also need to mention the disconnect between middle and upper management. Its become robotic. Theyve taken the humanity out of a job that can't pay the bills even working full time IF you can find more than 30 hours at a restaurant. Management has terrible turn over and it looks like the new unspoken rules are work them until they break. Then hire replacements. The pressure in the current economy has made simple social interactions feel like a battle for both employee and customer.
Mamagogo3@reddit
Restaurant prices, along with noting how busy/not busy they are during the lunch/dinner rush has been a really good indicator. Lower portions, higher prices, lower quality…we know they’re just trying to survive. And you’re right - it’s chains and small places, too.
Gryphin@reddit
Exactly. I'm in the restuarant industry, and the chef rolled out the new menu for the spring/summer, and basically had to account for how bad the produce prices are going to be in about 3 months, as well as the beef shortage/priced out of market costs that are coming up soon. Beef on the hoof is skyrocketing, and I mean in that in a 70%+ increase kind of way. Chicken is seeing a 30%+ increase YTD as well. There's no fast way out of that problem either, especially with the beef.
The whole agricultural scene is on fire, and that's before the Hormuz bullshit screwing the fertilizer industry and stalling or eliminating planting this past month or so.
BugsyMcNug@reddit
A second reply just to comment on the three month thing you mentioned. You have a solid chef if he thinks that far ahead. Doesn't need to be on t.v. or write books to be solid.
In three months, it's not just the restos that are fucked. I hope that I am over reacting, but once you get to know the growing seasons, see how storms can affect it (super El Nino this year) and then add the cost of diesel to ship as well as the fertilizer to grow it all. To feed the animals we eat, grow the veg, I'm actually scared.
BugsyMcNug@reddit
I feel for ya. Last time I was a salaried chef, the owner refused to charge 25 dollars for the salmon dish she wanted on the menue. She wanted it to be 19 dollars because "fish shouldn't be that expensive"
Did all her pricing by hip. Very creative accounting which is simply just lying, and she was just jumping from iceberg to iceberg. Molson cut her off. How many times have you ever heard that? Feelings don't care about margins. I got out. Places closed 7 months later. You should get out, too.
reddituseranalog@reddit
Food
the_real_maddison@reddit
My husband is a grocer and has to socioeconomically explain to customers daily about shortages and poor quality.
He came home from work yesterday and as we were talking about it, we agreed we at least have some rice and beans, and that "it's not coming, it's here."
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
Yep. What we currently have that passes for an economic system is one of those towers of sticks where you keep pulling a stick out. Do Americans play that? It looks solid until you pull one stick too many and it all collapses. Well agriculture is currently getting all the sticks pulled out globally, climate crisis, water crisis, fertilizer crisis, insect mass extinction, bees.
webearwebull@reddit
Jenga!
Sultan-of-swat@reddit
I imagined kerplunk. The game with the sticks that holds up all the marbles and players take turns removing the sticks until someone makes all the marbles drop.
overkill@reddit
Definitely Kerplunk.
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
Just tree sticks.
The-Copilot@reddit
1/3 of global fertilizers goes through the strait of Hormuz. The strait has been closed for the entire spring fertilizing windows. 70% of american farmers have reported not being able to get enough fertilizer due both supply and price.
The US is the largest food exporter and richest nation in the world. So the situation is likely worse in the rest of the world. We will likely see a global low food yield during harvest season. Unlike oil and gas shortages, this problem doesn't get solved when the strait opens.
splat-y-chila@reddit
Also, random severe weather events in the US aren't helping. In the mid-atlantic, unseasonably warm spells this Spring had plants wake up 'early' only to get repeatedly wiped out by frosts which were still within the normal last frost date windows. Vineyards in Northern Virginia? Definitely crippled, so hope nobody was expecting wine from there this year. A lot of berries and fruit trees set bloom and bud too early, so they probably got wiped out not just in my garden too.
natureisit@reddit
Education, healthcare, law, accounting, etc.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
Can you sat more about how/whtly law and accounting are falling apart?
dks38@reddit
Government
fragrant-final-973@reddit
We've noticed.
ProlapseMishap@reddit
As someone who just left it last week I'll say: the general public has no idea how bad it really is right now.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
You should say more about this
fragrant-final-973@reddit
To be fair, my more immediate concern is being an enemy of the state rather than how well the state is functioning.
SlavaUkrayne@reddit
I hear you 🫡
ProlapseMishap@reddit
Oh, believe me. You and me both, lol. This state isn't the biggest fan of me personally.
Connect-Account-2855@reddit
Tell us more!
exsertclaw@reddit
Sulphuric acid prices are through the roof. Important to many industries but very important for lower grade copper extraction.
In the coming weeks expect to see mines curtail production as it will not be profitable, pushing copper prices up further.
Recent-Honey5564@reddit
We’ve all moved on from the Medicaid cuts but this will destroy healthcare to a likely irreparable level for the average person in the U.S.
It may not look destroyed but people will become even more sick and die than they already are.
Hospitals will close in rural areas and those people will be living in a world of medicine from 50 years ago.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
All of the rural hospitals have closed near me in PA and everyone keeps freaking out about it, but idk what they expect.
SomewhereNo8378@reddit
the BBB that trump and republicans passed will be wrecking havoc on hospital systems, the impacts won’t be immediate but within the next 3 years you will see a growing existential crisis for these systems.
lisare98@reddit
Yep it’s going to get much much worse
Jane_the_doe@reddit
Can you explain this to me? I've been out of the loop but my partner works in the med field so I'm a bit terrified.
SomewhereNo8378@reddit
many of these systems heavily rely on government funding with medicaid/medicare, and the bill cuts that significantly. So it will create a large deficit in funding
Jane_the_doe@reddit
so basically this is yet another cottempt to privatise a core service that will affect the lives of millions. All in the name of money and greed of course...
WSBpeon69420@reddit
Privatize and centralize. Consolidate people into the cities where they have the control
He2oinMegazord@reddit
Its not really an attempt, most of the entire medical system is already owned by either corporations or private equity. They only keep those small rural hospitals open because they get cut a check from the govt to do so. But the bbb removed the payments for those little hospitals, and the corps/PE arent gonna just bleed profit for the sake of keeping people alive
darkmeowl25@reddit
Yup, rural hospitals have been closing prior to the passage, but now our specialty and multicampus hospitals are cutting services. INTEGRIS Baptist in OKC already knows they will have $130M in cuts and will be closing at least one mental health group and a local pediatric endocrinologist office. Our state healthcare system is already really, really bad, and we are only a few years in to our new "managed care" model of state insurance.
Shit is already really bad here. Suicides and overdoses are up all across rural counties. I don't want to seem like I'm catastrophizing, but keep your eye on OK for collapse patterns. We are well on the way.
Impossible_Range6953@reddit
Current gov cancelled $500m+ of research grant that impact more than just pure research. Current Health Sec is anti a lot of things we took for granted. I agree with other reply, it will take a few years to feel this mess.
Jane_the_doe@reddit
That's insane...
tmotytmoty@reddit
Yes!! I don’t understand why the party that made such a big deal about fictional death panels, now, doesn’t give a shit that their voter base is gonna die 20 years sooner than expected
13thNebula@reddit
"In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote."
zuukinifresh@reddit
Most rural areas voted for this. Reap what you sow
weJtiddeR@reddit
Kind of like how people in Portland voted for defunding the police but then didn't like their downtown burned to the ground during the summer of 2020??
People in rural areas are tired of being ignored, told how dumb they are, and not being represented, so they fall for conmen tickling their ears, just like city people do. Blue or red, it doesn't matter, nobody at the top is for those of us at the bottom. Quit falling for their divide and conquer tactics
Mochigood@reddit
Portland burning down is like me saying my finger was cut off after getting a minor paper cut. I had relatives visit who wanted to go see the war zone and all any of us could give them was some boarded up windows and fences lol. Also I'm pretty sure the defunding was in response to how PPD acted during those protests and riots, and was pretty minor, like less than 10% of their budget, and shortly reversed.
weJtiddeR@reddit
There was 21 billion dollars of damages done nationwide wide. If thats a paper cut to you, then idk what to tell you. You're either lying or a shill. I drove through Portland and Seattle, there was blocks and blocks and blocks of destruction immediately after. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you went 1 or 2 years later after things were rebuilt somewhat...
zuukinifresh@reddit
Rural America is full of drugged up idiots who tend to be racist and vote against themselves. No pity
weJtiddeR@reddit
Wow, I thought it was bad to generalize entire groups of people?? Just not when your "side" does it?? Got it
zuukinifresh@reddit
Nah. 10+ years of this shit and all empathy or care for those people is gone. Don’t care one bit
weJtiddeR@reddit
But someone living in an inner city that watched their neighborhood turn into a war zone ghetto isn't allowed to have care-fatigue?? Just you?? More rules for thee, not for me that the left thrives on, and unfortunately the right now as well
Recent-Honey5564@reddit
Sure I get that but it’s a bad take.
An unhealthy community e.g small to medium to large like the whole of the U.S. can’t be efficient of the people are unhealthy.
weJtiddeR@reddit
Lol, my Healthcare has been destroyed and unaffordable since the ACA during Obama. I make too much to get an affordable plan, but not enough to afford the plans available. Great, thats great.
And yeah, I haven't been to a Dr but 3 times in like 20 years, and have to figure everything out at home best I can and just eat healthy, exercise, and do as all people should instead of relying on Dr's. But really sucks to think you have stomach cancer and you can't even get checked properly because you have no insurance and Dr's won't take you
Reminder that Izzrul has free Healthcare for every single one of their citizens, due in part to their surplus national budget they run, due LARGELY in part to receiving 104.20 dollars PER SECOND from the American Tax Payer. But yea, its antiseptic to notice that or not wanna have your income stolen.
They claim its just for weapons, but that huge chunk of currency contributes to their budget surplus, either indirectly or otherwise. Meanwhile those of us funding it can't even afford an ER visit.
Recent-Honey5564@reddit
I work in healthcare and despise what we are doing for them. I’m with you dude it’s all a sham.
ACA made things hard for some people but did help a lot of people it’s undeniable. Not a perfect system but it did do good.
simpleisideal@reddit
The ACA was still a handout to health insurance companies, and it also manufactured consent for the blowback we're seeing today. It's not in the uniparty's interest to fix this problem.
bokehtoast@reddit
Also the reason the ACA was not as effective is because obstructionist republicans forced a bunch of "compromises" to get it passed at all.
snow_hi_o@reddit
I’m a Pipefitter foreman and do allot of work in a nearby hospital. This hospital is on a list of at risk to close hospitals in Ohio after the BBB cuts. They are really tightening the belt on the facilities/maintenance budget trying to make the in house guys do piping repairs but they are in over their heads. The piping in the building is aging out fast and making repairs in an active hospital is very difficult. Between steam, heating water, chiller water, domestic water, fire suppression and sanitary you can’t fix stuff faster than the leaks are appearing.
A few small jobs did get approved recently but the overall vibe is they’re doing the bare minimum for the foreseeable future it’s going to get interesting.
Pontiacsentinel@reddit
From that thread...
u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims • 4h ago I gotta talk about this somewhere, and the public may or may not know about it. I'm honestly not sure. I just need to get it out because containing it inside of myself has been hard.
With some projects in the defense sector, there are these things called 'gates'. It's like if you're in a relay race where people do a torch handoff. In this case, during the 'relay' they haven't been showing that they're actually carrying a torch, and faking like they are while running. They aren't updating documentation at all, and the documentation they have been working on purposefully hasn't been posted. The minute they update the documentation on the specific projects, here is what will happen:
The moment they try to update a single piece of documentation, everything on the tracker will turn red, showing that the project is a failure.
It will trigger a massive audit.
The government will ask where the money has been going for the past five years.
They will discover that the people running the program don't know what they're doing, and have been spending money freely while not documenting anything.
They're internally working on documentation in hopes that when the audit comes, they can try to pass it off as an error uploading documentation and try to pass an audit/review.
The project will either be shut down, or most of it will be gutted and people will be fired.
I know that this doesn't make complete sense to most people, but it's on fire, and I've been trying to internally contain it.
u/buffalo171 • 4h ago Sure it makes sense. It’s why DoD hasn’t passed an audit in decades and accountability for funds is nonexistent
BringOutYDead@reddit
The way our government operates with military expenditures is a complete joke.
HandToDikCombat@reddit
That's completely true, but the OOP that made that comment is never going to go anywhere in his company, and is his own worst enemy. What he just described is how shit is supposed to work in the industry. Artificial budget inflation is a part of the structure, not a fault in the structure. Here's a very abbreviated version of how some really lucrative contracts work:
Gov: I have an idea. I'll pay one of you 2 mil to look into it. Who wants it?
Def Contractor: I'll take it.
Gov: Good. Here's a mil up front.
...
Def Con: Turns out your idea doesn't work. Here's a report showing we also went over budget. That'll be 3 million dollars.
Gov: Excellent work. Cash or check? Also, I'll make sure to mention the budget constraints.
...
Gov: I have an idea. I'll pay one of you 5 mil to look into it. Who wants it?
Repeat ad nauseum.
Common-Ad6470@reddit
Yep and with zero checks you then end up with some bozo proposing a $1.5 trillion defence budget that is just an opportunity for these billionaires to grift some more before Trump is finally ousted…👌
BringOutYDead@reddit
Contractor: Meanwhile, I'll go play golf and expense it as a sales call. Be sure to invite a fellow retired "client" too.
Common-Ad6470@reddit
$1 million dollar toilet seats ring a bell anyone?
SpeakCodeToMe@reddit
If you dig into that story it turns out to be mostly bullshit.
Ancient-Apartment-23@reddit
Euhm
Not American, but I work in an adjacent capacity. Contractors trying to get away with shit isn’t new, but if true this is nuts. I’ve got significantly more oversight on my tiny 5/low 6 figure contracts…
Hesitation-Marx@reddit
Oh no, it’s so bad. The Pentagon is black hole for money.
Jar_Jar_Kinkx@reddit
i can tell you some fun things about DCMA.
iComplainAbtVal@reddit
To hijack this, we have a saying “MBA’s ruined America”
It’s happened, and there’s really not a way to “go back”.
SomePolack@reddit
This is applicable to certain defense companies/projects not the entire sector
No idea where that OP works but it’s most likely one of the bigger firms that’s been awarded a ton of contracts. Smaller ones or newer businesses can’t afford to fuck up that badly and would quickly go under.
Guachito@reddit
That's common sense. Whenever people speak of industries, they speak in general, not in absoluts.
free6@reddit
SomePolack@reddit
Oh for sure, just trying to play devil’s advocate since Reddit tends to be a little too general/pessimistic in threads like these
WhereDidAllTheSnowGo@reddit
Agree
It’s a hyper local viewpoint
In many programs PMs and ENs track, review, guide, and call BS weekly
DeplorableBot11545@reddit
The Marine Corps has passed its audit for the past three years.
Nadante@reddit
Makes sense. I've also noticed the many mediocre men in charge who fire and harass anyone with talent who may threaten their position that allows them to be lazy cucks siphoning tax payer dollars.
Of course these projects fail when you cull competency in favor of cronyism.
LumpyElderberry2@reddit
Oh, yeah, no, this is super believable. The “excursion” into Iran as the world’s “most advanced military power” has all but proven that the DoD is some kind of money laundering scheme
Numerous_Source597@reddit
Well if you’re a defense contractor and have CUI, CMMC phase 1 just got realized and is required for any contractor or defense contractor as well.
SomePolack@reddit
Isn’t that just self-assessment though which is easy to score highly
Mixitwitdarelish@reddit
Got confused for a second here because I agreed with you - level 1 can be self assessed/self reported
level 2 - c3pa0. but not until November
Numerous_Source597@reddit
nope!
SomePolack@reddit
Ok so what am I missing?
Everything I search says that there has to be certain practices implemented but it’s ultimately a self-review submitted to the gov
Numerous_Source597@reddit
If you store/process/transmit CUI → CMMC Level 2
SomePolack@reddit
Fair enough that’ll be a huge hurdle for some of these companies, no one has invested enough in cyber security
Numerous_Source597@reddit
Agreed.
I work in cyber and am in the GRC space, and it’s quite astounding how different industries and organizations handle infosec. We are in a world where being reactive isn’t enough (shouldn’t ever be the case regardless).
Keeninja808@reddit
It’s defense spending… they just described a feature, not a bug.
BugsyMcNug@reddit
Gawtdamn it reads like a niche movie that I'd totally love and never be able to get anyone to watch.
angrytetchy@reddit
This might scratch that itch a bit.
FreddyJetson@reddit
Look into VWAV/GTCH in relation to this and get back to me..
No_Possible_7108@reddit
Not quite following what specifically the "it" is that's on fire, the DoD itself?
Opouly@reddit
Sounds like a lot of contractors are BSing things and the auditing process takes years to catch up but from what I’m reading in this thread is more of an issue with bigger companies in certain sectors where they have a ton of contracts so that it doesn’t tank the business as a whole? I could be completely wrong here though. It’s a little difficult to parse. But that would mean that the DoD is wasting a ton of money by having an awful auditing process that allows a long time before certain companies are caught and there’s not really any consequences outside of the company losing the contract or potentially shutting down.
Sxs9399@reddit
I worked for a small company that specifically targeted SBIR projects, IYKYK. They were absolute masters of doing the bare minimum to get more funding tranches. There were 2-5m programs that the only deliverable the DoD received (per contract!) was a summary presentation. Now the whole point of these SBIRs is to develop technical ability and industrial capacity, but they all start with study and planning phases and in practice many companies just turn into planning factories.
None have of what I saw was illegal, but it sure seemed like a waste of money.
MantisEsq@reddit
Isn’t that largely how the defense contract agencies have run for like the last 50+ years, though?
FeistyTie5281@reddit
Tech.
Counter activity to Trump's idiotic tariffs are killing all North American development and production.
Even the Amish are impacted.
massacre898@reddit
The Amish will survive longer than most Americans though, right?
pandershrek@reddit
Medical is on a rocky ship. Most hospitals are expanding rapidly but always on the brink of bankruptcy especially without Medicare and Medicaid.
So we'll see hospitals go under and that is the entire healthcare industry which will become saturated and from what has been said it is the last bastion of labor holding up the economy
bigvicproton@reddit
Reddit. I'm the only real person here.
DontBruhMeBruh@reddit
Its gotten ridiculous.
deiprep@reddit
It’s turned into an absolute cesspit within the last year in particular
Legitimate_Mobile337@reddit
Yall gotta admit though how much of schooling actually helped with your job? And odviously you got to learn your job which doesnt take long.
jafemd@reddit
Emergency Medicine and EMS. Burnout at extraordinary levels and coupled with Medicare and Medicaid cuts means even higher volumes, increasing wait times and disease complexity. Doctors, nurses and paramedics are operating on fumes.
zante2033@reddit
Academics in HE, some schools have staff who have completely surrendered themselves to the idea of being made redundant by the coming student-facing adaptive AI systems. Staff are being skilled up on what AI was three years ago while more agentic models can emulate student participation online asynchronously. Assessment practices were dated even 30 years ago and the sector moves slowly, based on business models they copy from one another. The issue is, adaptive systems can scale to millions of users very quickly and the education sector is already over-saturated.
Many Universities are in dire financial straits.
HeroZero1980@reddit
Non DME medical supplies. You'd be amazed how much sterile plastic a hospital uses. Thanks to a certain Cheeto shart the manufacturing of all of the necessary equipment is grinding to a halt. Costs go Brrrrrrt
HeroZero1980@reddit
Trucking/goods transportation. With soaring costs of fuel, tires almost tripling in cost in last year, companies are quickly running in the red. Independent operators already were on the margins, and soon will be forced out.
hindusoul@reddit
Autonomous trucks to the “rescue”
Unusual_Specialist@reddit
Commercial real estate. Nearly $1 trillion in commercial loans expire by 2028, but high rates and vacancies make refinancing impossible. Banks are stalling foreclosures with extensions that hit a hard wall by 2027. The window for temporary fixes is closing, making a systemic market reset inevitable.
GeorgiaBill280@reddit
I have been hearing this one for years now though
AutomaticDeer2833@reddit
Literally since 2008...
SpeakCodeToMe@reddit
That doesn't make sense. Covid is what really knocked commercial on its ass because it proved a lot of companies don't actually need offices.
uselessandexpensive@reddit
Because they realized the massive problems they'd created and just punted them far enough away that they seemed small, but we're actually getting bigger.
Instead of subprime mortgage investment where money is extracted from the system while careening toward disaster in one sector, we have subprime business investment doing the same with the entire economy, gobbling up businesses good and bad under private equity firms and other financing trickery, extracting massive amounts of wealth, then using trickery to turn destruction of businesses (and jobs) into further wealth extraction.
arb1698@reddit
Us federal regulatlrd are starting to have to come up with plans for this.
uselessandexpensive@reddit
Wait, there are still federal regulators? I feel like saying that in the wrong company will result in more federal workforce cuts.
arb1698@reddit
Bah we always do this but it switches to whatever the most risk to the system is then hope we never have to use that plan.
grummanae@reddit
Yeah and Im expecting the same in residential
Iownyou252@reddit
Loans are structured differently in residential, it could happen but the catalyst would be different.
grummanae@reddit
In my area were heavily affected by Tariff's So Im expecting this
horseradishstalker@reddit
Well tariffs are currently just a way for Big Tech to twist the arm of any country not on board with zero laws, regulations and safeguards.
NotDinahShore@reddit
Yes. And the REITs on them are probably at all-time highs like everything else.
Sad-Excitement9295@reddit
Everyone knows it will happen, just not when. As things escalate, it becomes more likely. Given the current happenings, we're more and more likely to end up in such a situation very soon.
HelloSummer99@reddit
Looks like 2028 will be the year or remote work then.
Traditional-Handle83@reddit
You mean the year they just go 100% AI instead of getting remote workers. To those companies, a sloppy AI is still cheaper than a human worker even if the efficiency and work quality is reduced by half.
Agreeable_Cheek_7161@reddit
The entire issue with this is... if people stop spending money because they don't have any, our economy comes to a screetching halt. Restaurants and small businesses die, mega corporations begin losing money at insane rates, fueling layoffs and restructures, construction projects dry up and become almost non existent, and we find ourselves in a 2008 style recession if not worse
uselessandexpensive@reddit
The oligarchs are creating a separate economy for themselves where they control all the resources and no longer need humans to harvest them or make things.
uselessandexpensive@reddit
Nah, it's a reliance creation/subscription scheme. AI agents are starting to cost more than real humans already. Once the workforce is unskilled and HR is all run by AI, companies will feel they have no choice but to hire AI.
d3v0k3n3v0@reddit
The good news is the “token apocalypse” will stop them dead in the water. It’s coming… not if but when.
WSBpeon69420@reddit
What is that ? I’m not familiar with tokens let alone them apocalyptic event
HelloSummer99@reddit
Yeah but then people will start spending less (they already do) and I guarantee CEOs will panic and beg people to come to work. Profit to shareholders is the only thing matters for publicly listed companies and if that goes down for "whatever reason" any CEO needs to correct it or get fired.
Traditional-Handle83@reddit
You say that but I've noticed that over the past year, theres been an insane push to basically oust human workers altogether for AI without any backup plan or any plan at all to do when you lose 100% of your consumers because if the human workers no longer can work and no longer have money, no products are being bought and companies will basically self destruct from lost revenue. Which the other part they have zero plan on how to deal with is that homelessness across the country is becoming a felony with prison time, the government is going to have to build state sized prisons to house that many homeless people once it happens. Which still leads into the same exact problem, no more consumers, no more incomes, no more profits.
JJase@reddit
The prisoners will work for the government, the government will become the consumer, problem solved.
Traditional-Handle83@reddit
Thats not how that works. The government requires the people working to generate taxes, taxes pay for the governments spending. If the government just blatantly generates its own money all at once, it creates a hyperinflation event where the value of the money collapses and is worth the same as horse shit on the road. You could have 2 trillion USD but its value would mean nothing to the world under such an event. Plus the world isn't going to buy from the US nor rent out slaves from such a scenario. The US sovereignty would essentially dissolve if it happens since it no longer would have an economy, allies, nor any trade. Think of the soviet union crash but ten thousand times worst. It'd make current Russia look good in comparison.
BugsyMcNug@reddit
Lately more than ever, governments actually base the money they spend on what they expect to receive. A bunch of uncaring assholes who spend money they don't actually have. They do so without any real tangible consequences because of bankruptcy protection. The whole thing is a scam. If your not in it, you are getting screwed by it.
JJase@reddit
You should reread your previous comment before responding "that's not how that works". I respond to the asinine and imaginary scenario that you made up.
Traditional-Handle83@reddit
I know what I said before. I am adding onto that with what I said. Also it is not asinine as similar events without AI have happened in the past. It is not unimaginable for it to happen in the modern world. The only difference is the technology used to kill people for trying to rise against it has changed so drastically that trying to fight it is next to impossible without some external force eliminating all modern technology.
JJase@reddit
I don't think it's unimaginable for the government to enslave prisoners for profit.
Traditional-Handle83@reddit
Yes but there is no other government in the world currently that would openly buy or rent the slaves. It leads to a self destruction of the country, specially if 80% or more of the entire population is enslaved.
OBotB@reddit
There have been a handful of articles in the past week (more over the past months but distinctly remember a couple this past week) explicitly saying the AI Tokens were costing more than the Developers they were replacing. Much like the initial discount found in everything (from cloud computing instead of on-prem storage to gas stations [looking at you Sheetz] to streaming services instead of cable) get people hooked at a cheap price then jack the price up once they've incorporated it in and the old stand by isn't a viable option any more.
The chatter around cheap DeepSeek vs "security" of others nonwithstanding, if your company has to budget for doubling the token price year over year, and struggling to maintain the people who can incorporate AI output into a viable product/service is going to hit the blindly oblivious quite hard. Even those professing that AI is their solution while in actuality using it to build further offshoring while cutting onshore positions are going to (continue to) hit a wall in terms of cost and quality.
UnravelTheUniverse@reddit
I hope they roll it out before it is ready on something super important and it fucks up. A couple high profile catastrophic failures is what we need to get the leverage to force the billionaires to put this genie back in the bottle.
AlmightyThumbs@reddit
Fun fact - the cost to “hire” an AI worker right now, based on the average number of tokens needed to accomplish the same tasks, is higher than the cost of a human by quite a bit.
Companies like OpenAI are betting very heavily on AGI while continuing to raise more and more capital. It’s a very risky bet with a low chance of even breaking even and these companies aren’t even charging enough to offset their compute costs, let alone all of the other CapEx they have. They’re subsidizing their own products, which is making the industry one big giant fragile bubble at the moment.
Will that bubble pop in some catastrophic way? Hard to tell, but I think a lot of people will lose huge sums of money in the long run. That doesn’t even fold in the already-scarce power and water resources that data centers depend on.
Separate_Fold5168@reddit
Yes the year of sitting at home unemployed, with the TV remote.
A012A012@reddit
I witnessed the collapse of a $600 million commercial RE portfolio implode because of this about 4 years ago. Loan payment extensions run out, couldnt refi due to the interest rates and bam. Company folded in 30 days.
GrouchyMary9132@reddit
yes I heard about something like this as well. They lost private small investors a lot of money
Separate_Fold5168@reddit
I wonder why there is such a rush by Blackrock et.al now to unload private credit bags into 401ks. 🤨
ResistantRose@reddit
My folks' building was being purchased on land contract from a company with commercial real estate. The company went bankrupt and because the land contract wasn't fully paid, instead of bringing the property through a court foreclosure proceeding, they agreed to just revert the property back to my folks. The commercial company hadn't even rented the property out, it sat vacant several years during this time. Now my folks are having to try to sell or rent the building all over again.
mmaalex@reddit
This, but to be more specific it's mostly office space in a bunch of larger US cities.
Lots of formerly expensive, but now somewhat aging office space is essentially worthless.
karl4319@reddit
Why do you think the return to office got pushed so hard?
StarWars_and_SNL@reddit
I think RE execs and investors just need to buy fewer $8 coffees and skip the avocado on their toast and they’ll be just fine.
Gryphin@reddit
The urban blight in my city is off the charts. I can drive around town, and have multiple shopping centers be at 20% or less capacity.
RiverGroover@reddit
Don't forget skyrocketing insurance premiums. Even for properties that aren't over-leveraged. My family just sold a commercial property that they've had for almost 50 years, and that was the biggest reason. They had the luxury of being able to rent below market, having owned it so long, but the price of raising rent to market, to be able to afford insurance (and repairs and taxes and upkeep) would have meant high turnover and long periods of vacancy.
Responsible_Ad_7111@reddit
Does this include warehouses? Or just office/retail?
Unusual_Specialist@reddit
All of the above. The office is currently experiencing significant decline and you’re seeing it now. Retail closures are increasing, but we have at least a year or two before the situation worsens at the current pace. Warehouse is likely facing early challenges, we are two or three years out due to the ongoing impact of tariffs. Another fun fact, approximately 23% of all industrial property loans are scheduled to mature in 2026.
Sorry_End3401@reddit
Looking from the outside, all of the above. This is why firms claim bankruptcy on a regular basis. It is one of the ways to take over other stores and then consolidate and then break the leases
Skinny-on-the-Inside@reddit
1 trillion expire but what is the size of the total asset based that’s been financed?
SpiritTalker@reddit
Higher education. At least my school, which is a state institution but likely all of them. Enrollment cliff #1 hit hard, the soon upcoming enrollment cliff #2 is like, hold my beer. Severe "do more with less". Only mission critical hiring. Attrition out the wazoo. Unfortunately the managers and admin who SHOULD be left go and not get replaced isn't happening while the rest of us poor slobs are just trying to hang on for dear life, feel like we could get fired any day.
ExtraplanetJanet@reddit
It's like that all over, nobody is hiring. My spouse was a well-qualified professor with a solid resume and publishing, couldn't get hired after our move. He taught high school and adjuncted for awhile, then got a job in an unrelated field because it wasn't worth trying anymore. It's a damn shame because he's a very good teacher, passionate about his subject and well-liked by his students, it's just that there are no jobs.
2BlueZebras@reddit
The school district in my area is desperate for teachers. Maybe colleges aren't hiring but high school sure is. That's said, I've heard it's miserable with current admin and parents.
Own-Baker-2841@reddit
I am curious as to where you are. My son is struggling to find a teaching job in So Cal. Declining enrollments and Boomers over staying in their positions is hurting young teachers find jobs.
TheRainbowConnection@reddit
I have several family members employed at high school and get the sense that it’s subject-specific. Math, CS, science, special ed are hiring. Humanities teachers
ExtraplanetJanet@reddit
Good point, I should have mentioned that my state is in the bottom five in the nation for high school pay and the conditions were miserable. He is much, much happier in an unrelated field with time and energy to research and write in the evenings and on weekends.
UnravelTheUniverse@reddit
It's like the only people with well paying jobs are useless managers and admin types in every industry that contribute nothing to the companies success. How did we let these corporate parasites ruin fucking everything?
Wise-Force-1119@reddit
To be fair, I'm sure they contribute something but it's not any more valuable than what the people below them are doing.
mmaalex@reddit
State school, and large high end schools will be the survivors.
Small liberal arts colleges are going to be hit hard. A lot of them fully deserve it. $200k for a bachelors degree from a mid tier school is a colossal ripoff and financially crippling to middle class students.
CeanothusOR@reddit
Local university is firing 70% of faculty and cutting basic degrees (math, sociology, creative writing, etc.) and locally important ones like environmental science and theater so they don't go under. This may delay it for a year or two, but they will go under. That will leave our area with just a community college.
Reincle@reddit
Sounds like NE Ohio where I’m at. SB1 was the final blow.
Snoo_87704@reddit
We’re hiring and growing enrollment. State R1.
fragrant-final-973@reddit
Doing better than most but yea, higher ed is floundering. Go figure with the anti-intellectual cult in charge.
helluvastorm@reddit
The high price and the need for students to take out loans isn’t helping. Kids going to college now are very cognizant of those traps and working at avoiding debt as much as possible
AlternatiMantid@reddit
I think millennials have been VERY, very publically vocal about warning the future generations from our experience with college. I'm glad the kids are listening, but it's a damn shame the situation only worsened for them from a financial standpoint, and they suffer from an educational standpoint because of it.
Crocs_n_Glocks@reddit
The fact that you have to take out $100k in student loans that can never be forgiven to maybe never get a job with the way the job market is, and even if you do that job might never pay enough to pay off the loans, is way more damaging than anything either political party is doing.
AlaskaExplorationGeo@reddit
You don't have to take out 100k, that's on the higher end for sure
Crocs_n_Glocks@reddit
Plenty of state schools these days are going to cost that with Room & Board.
Scamalama@reddit
I’m no fan of the current regime but I think the main problem is the cost/benefit calculation for higher education. If you have to take out loans that will be an albatross your whole life to maybe get a job that barely pays a livable wage, there’s no reason to do that. Young folks see how this crippled the previous generation and are choosing a different path.
Fun_Initiative_2336@reddit
5k per semester for my degree at a local college with in state tuition.
That means 1 year of my out of pocket college expense if I didn’t have any grants or scholarships is equivalent to a touch over 50% minimum wage full time work here, before you get to books, parking permits, dorms, etc.
lastdiggmigrant@reddit
10k a year? So about 4.8 dollars taken from your hourly earnings for every year you complete. (10,000 / 52 / 40) Complete 4 years and you're $5 behind on wages for about 5 years.
That's ... Pretty manageable if you make more than $20.
Fun_Initiative_2336@reddit
Most higher end jobs don’t pay over 25+ an hour, and this doesn’t account for the loss that poverty wages cause - that’s also 4 years behind on mortgage, retirement, etc.
And I did say a touch over 50% so it’s closer to $6 an hour “lost” every year, not accounting for books, school supplies, programs, or dorms.
AND again, I’m doing this based on full time work for minimum wage, when 20-30 hours is more common. Especially for students.
Dorms alone can eat that difference, for example.
I’m too old for dorms (and married) but that doesn’t mean I think it’s acceptable for somebody to work a full time job and just barely break even to exist in college without any additional expenses, like a cell phone plan, car insurance, etc.
lastdiggmigrant@reddit
Based on what I know from my friend, Arkansas has really depressed wages across the board. I'm sorry.
SlavaUkrayne@reddit
Wow that’s cheap, I paid over double that over a decade ago, in-state tuition per semester
AlaskaExplorationGeo@reddit
It is way cheaper if you got to an in-state school
fragrant-final-973@reddit
No argument there. Community college should be free and student loans should be low to zero interest through programs that put that education to use to better our country. But all that is too woke for the cult.
No_Possible_7108@reddit
The man behind the curtain was The System all along
TheDaveStrider@reddit
it's been like this for years, and not just in the US unfortunately
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
I got out of higher ed 6 years ago because of this. I try to explain to people that the majority of institutions are white knuckling it financially and it's a big game of musical chairs but people can't square that with the ridiculous price tags. Try to explain the practice of discounting in FA Packages and it's never lands.
It's a big game of musical chairs for american colleges and the music is stopping. Some schools tried to finance their futures with capital projects, taking an "if you build it they will come" and some decided to make cuts down to the amount of paper in the copy machines. Both are failing. Unless you're a flagship name brand school your IRS 990s probably look like toilet paper.
Rabidennui@reddit
I was shocked to hear that Hampshire College in Amherst, Mass is closing in December. Like, the entire school is shutting its doors because they’re $25 million in debt. All current students are being forced to transfer, almost 300 faculty & staff laid off.
I couldn’t afford to apply when I was in high school because it was such an expensive, highly esteemed liberal arts college. And now it’s just…gone.
RhubarbSelkie@reddit
Yep I'm in higher ed law and the Hampshire closure has a lot of smaller schools spooked- it's the latest after a few rounds of closures in the last 20 years during recessions/COVID/etc.
fight_collector@reddit
Property insurance. Rising costs + increase in catastrophic events (floods, wildfires, hail storms) = unaffordable rates and restrictive coverage for clients and falling profitability for brokers and insurers. Unsustainable and only getting worse.
No-Abalone-4784@reddit
Everything.
USAFmuzzlephucker@reddit
Literally any industry that requires aluminum.
Ok-Passenger-1960@reddit
Say more.
USAFmuzzlephucker@reddit
The problem is that aluminum is getting hit from all sides at once.
Yes, the U.S. makes some aluminum, and we recycle a lot of it. But we do not make enough of the raw aluminum our manufacturers actually use, so we still depend heavily on imports. That is where the trouble starts.
Tariffs make imported aluminum and aluminum parts cost more. The Strait of Hormuz situation makes energy and shipping more expensive. And aluminum is one of those materials where energy matters a lot. It takes a huge amount of power to make it, plus fuel to mine it, move it, insure it, truck it, store it, and turn it into parts.
So even if the aluminum itself never goes through Hormuz, higher energy and shipping costs still get baked into the final price.
And we cannot just say, “Fine, make it all here.” We do make some here, but not enough to replace what we import. Building more aluminum production takes years, a ton of money, and massive amounts of cheap, reliable electricity. So the short-term result is pretty simple: higher prices, longer wait times, and more supply headaches.
That affects way more than soda cans. Aluminum is in cars, trucks, trailers, aircraft parts, windows, siding, appliances, electrical parts, HVAC systems, radiators, boats, and a lot of other stuff.
It probably does not mean aluminum disappears overnight. It means the big buyers get taken care of first, while smaller shops and manufacturers get stuck paying more, waiting longer, or being told, “We can get it, but not when we said we could.”
Then that rolls downhill.
A product can be almost finished, but if it is waiting on one aluminum casting, tube, sheet, extrusion, bracket, or machined part, the whole thing sits. That means delayed repairs, delayed builds, higher quotes, and longer lead times for customers.
Companies may also start substituting materials, simplifying designs, or making parts thinner, lighter, or cheaper where they can just to control costs.
So the issue is not just “aluminum costs more.” It is that we still need a lot of it, we do not make enough here, and now every step of making it, moving it, buying it, and turning it into finished products costs more and takes longer.
In my industry, which is automotive, we've had to scramble into substitution and supplier changes for things like vehicle body components and structures because lead times for material rapidly went beyond body-build slots... And it's only getting worse.
Ok-Passenger-1960@reddit
Thank you!
gplfalt@reddit
Starting a tariff war on a province/nation that shits out cheap hydroelectric energy at a time when energy is super important for hyperscalers.
WCGW
Andr1yTheOne@reddit
3d printing and CNC might go bad depending how enforceable new laws are
electranightowl@reddit
CNC as in machining? Can you expand on this?
Andr1yTheOne@reddit
Yes, CNC as in machining. The laws they're trying to pass are very broad and accounts for like many other machines, not just 3D printing.
MegaDan86@reddit
New home construction. Increases in material prices have priced out labor increases for the last 6 years causing a massive labor shortage. And the labor that's left is lower quality overall than anyone I know has seen it. Combined with lower quality materials and ever tightened schedules and new homes are embarrassing. It feels like the entire industry is ready to flip at any moment, and when it does plenty of decent shops will go under and make it worse. I'd you plan on building a house, vet your builder, hire a third party inspector, and walk the build often. Most of what's being built now will need major rework in less than a decade.
Wise_Artichoke6552@reddit
Restaurants in the US. It has long been understood that anyone with a work ethic can get a job cooking, and until recently this was true. Unfortunately, the feds don't like it when the people with a work ethic are illegal/work visa holding hispanics. When ICE tore through my region, a lot of people got deported or went into hiding. Owners mostly saw that their payroll shrank suddenly, which is good for them.
Pair that with food prices, the Sysco United merger, bad wages, and a steep drop in produce quality, and I foresee a huge percentage of privately owned restaurants going under. Which isn't news exactly, but anyone who doesn't end summer in the black is screwed. And so are all the employees, cleaning companies, truckers, sales reps, and everyone else involved in the business. It's not gonna be good when the low tier jobs start vanishing in earnest, and all the white collar workers are going toe to toe with seasoned service workers.
L7meetsGF@reddit
Public education across the board, pk -16. There is not enough money so the cuts are getting deeper thanks to this current administration in USA and it will hurt our society in the long run.
BigRed1541@reddit
Telecommunications infrastructure.
Construction has a limited view of the regional network, and is usually lacking technical expertise, and all the folks who were patch working it together on the engineering side got laid off for Indian subcontractors.
BTW, it's not one ISP but all of them
Vlad_Yemerashev@reddit
I've also seen some newer telco contracting firms (doing planning, design, permitting, etc) pop in and out stateside. They start off as companies that are offering better pay than their competitors, better benefits. But then, new leadership comes in. If they're not outsourcing work, they're being bought by PE groups who run them into the ground within 6-18 months. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I know someone who worked at such a company, got laid off last year. Part of the issue was BEAD was in limbo with desires of this administration to offload a lot of potential grant's to Starlink internet instead. Luckily, he was quickly hired by one of his former clients, but not everyone was lucky. Others went over to this new company, like a good chunk of them, only to be laid off 5 months later...
Point is actually working in the telecom industry is one of the least stable careers you can get into, and that's even more true in recessions (though apparantly some places in telecom were fine during COVID but this ain't 2020 anymore). If your job isn't being outsourced, it's being run into the ground because of PE vultures.
BigRed1541@reddit
This is incredible accurate, right down to the orphaned employees getting picked up just to be laid off again.
It used to be fairly stable since it requires a niche skill set but the companies just flat out don't care anymore. It also boggles my mind that it's permitted to be operated this way since there's a lot of infrastructure that if tampered with could cause SEVERE impacts to fairly large regions. Seems like a national security issue to be sending those maps with geolocation off shore, but hey, shareholder value and all.
ImportantFlounder114@reddit
Mature marijuana markets. CA, CO, ME. $10 concentrates and $30 ounces doesn't leave a ton of meat on the bone.
DaNostrich@reddit
That’s the medical market, I know got a fact in Maine the markup on recreational cannabis is 50-100%
grummanae@reddit
I think in my area ( DTW SW Ontario) it would most likely be IT and the stuff I do
After the 07 08 auto decline a whole ton of people went back to retrain for quick easy get rich quick type jobs ... IT at that time was on the cusp of a huge revolution
It used to be you needed a Microsoft guy for your windows systems n ,machines , and software up to and including exchange
A network guy to handle a bit of everything,
And a phone guy to handle the phone system
In that time you seen the widespread rollout of voip, GSuite office 365, cloud based email and other stuff and Meraki with those came the ability for a non IT expert to do management of stuff ... great in context but stuff would be messed up at first
With the AI bubble inbound companies are getting rid of experienced programmers and experts that know how to fix stuff and replacing it with AI
FaradayEffect@reddit
Mmm, no one is getting rid of experienced devs that I’ve seen. Experienced devs are the best users of AI because they know what to ask for and they know how to ask for what they want precisely.
Junior devs on the other hand… they are in shambles. The biggest issue I see is they juniors never have a chance to become seniors unless they get years of experience, and a lot of software shops aren’t willing to pay for that. They’d rather squeeze two or three juniors worth of output from a senior who has a relatively AI agent, vs hire juniors and train them up. Every company is assuming the next generation of developers will be trained up by someone else.
Definitely not sustainable, but it’s all about the short term profits with most of these companies.
IllusoryHegemony@reddit
Oh yes they are. 50% of my friends are senior level developers and the few that haven't been laid off are watching their entire departments be gutted around them. No one's hiring either.
That said, there is starting to be a trickle of openings coming up where they're looking to hire one-man shows to fix what their AI screwed up.
FaradayEffect@reddit
Probably depends on the industry and business divisions. Yes there are definitely layoffs of experienced devs but from what I’ve seen it’s always from departments that were stagnant anyway and it’s usually devs that were getting too comfortable and staying too long on a dying project or department.
I’ve gotten very mercenary with my role: the moment it’s clear that management is bad, or the project or department isn’t going the way it should then I’m out of there to a different company or a different project. And time and time again I’ve seen the folks who stick around and try to salvage the mess get laid off for it.
Basically, companies don’t value people who stick around on dead projects trying to clean up messes anymore, because these companies don’t want to clean up their messes. As long as you align what you are offering the company to what the company wants then your role is probably safe.
gra8na8@reddit
Entertainment industry and media in general. Dead internet is like the Nothing from The Neverending Story
Samvega_California@reddit
This is actually a really astute comparison. Out of all the comments I've read, it's the one that made me stop and think the most about.
Straight_Flan1347@reddit
God I'm just happy that AI can't walk dogs
Musekal@reddit
But the dogs are becoming ever more of a luxury product, which means less than less of them available to walk.
Straight_Flan1347@reddit
We're definitely down year over year but made over $200k last year. Probably won't touch that this year but it's a secure business here in Chicago for the moment.
Futureacct@reddit
I’m sure the robots can
MS_GundamWings@reddit
There's several complex challenges a dog walking robot has to meet.
*Dogs that pull and change direction frequently
*Properly cleaning up after the dog
*Dogs that eat poop, chicken bones and food scraps that people litter constantly, walking on garbage day can be extra challenging sometimes.
*Other pedestrians that dogs might want to engage
*Distracted drivers
*Confidence from the dog owners that the robot can handle all these situations and 100% bring the dog home safely each time.
Straight_Flan1347@reddit
Yeah, as someone that has been walking dogs professionally for over a decade, I'm pretty confident we're a LONG way off form any non-human thing walking dogs.
Futureacct@reddit
True. I was partly joking. I hate AI and robots
funke75@reddit
Yet
whatThePleb@reddit
AI bubble
iveseensomethings82@reddit
Anything healthcare related
angrytetchy@reddit
This is both enlightening and terrifying. Cool. Cool.
bgdv378@reddit
AI and data centers.
tnh34@reddit
I love how all industries are on fire here but 0 source to back any of it
Bjbttmbird@reddit
Agriculture
locationson2@reddit
Film/ TV
Indianianite@reddit
Yep. Legacy Film/TV is being replaced by YouTube right now
sumptin_wierd@reddit
Restaurants
No-Preparation627@reddit
Automotive Industry
When the EV demand wasn't there and trump cut every EV subsidy for the build out, sales stalled flat. ICE and hybrid vehicles became the focus again. Simply by giving our focus to these projects and rugpulling them, weve completely hamstringed ourselves. Projected recovery aimed 5 years out.
We are so far behind china's tech in EVs is honestly embarrassing.
pintord@reddit
Fossil energy, actually on fire in Russia.
NuclearPopTarts@reddit
But that's good for business!
Gentle_Capybara@reddit
But that is good news.
Jabroni_16@reddit
Snacks
High_Quality_Bean@reddit
Infosec. LLMs can find and write exploits but can't patch them. Everybody is drowning in new work that needs finished yesterday.
There_Are_No_Gods@reddit
I'm not disputing it's going to be a big mess, but LLMs absolutely can patch exploits. It's more about doing so quickly enough at large enough scale....which essentially means only LLMs can rise to the task.
FaradayEffect@reddit
The current state of the software industry is a spending arms race. If you spend say $1000 on an LLM agent to analyze and fix vulnerabilities on your system then you’ll find most of the basic issues, but someone else who spends $2000 will most likely find another more complex vulnerability in your system to exploit that your $1000 spend missed.
So you’ve got defenders and attackers both spending increasing amounts on machine intelligence, which translates to consuming trillions of tokens, destroying the power grid and environment in the process. I don’t see any way this can be sustained long term.
High_Quality_Bean@reddit
Maybe maybe maybe.... so far I've found them to be a more advanced auto complete, and even if they can right good correct code, I still need to understand it at a deep level so I can go to my boss and take the responsibility for what we're shipping. Best case scenario using LLMs for this patching will mean a massive increase in code churn, dark code, and energy usage.
scornedandhangry@reddit
I was i formed last week that if a new wastewater treatment plant doesn't open in Corpus Christi TX in the next 6 months, 25% of the chemical and refing industry will probably shutdown
Juhbellz@reddit
Broadcast television
imhereforthepuppies@reddit
Finance companies have always been soulless but at this point it is blatantly obvious they just don’t care about customers. Multiple major system outages every week, and if those outages mean you can’t get your own money out of a company’s coffer… well, sucks to suck. They are seeing just how crappy service can get before the fed smacks them down, and with the fed we have right now, I don’t think that smack is ever going to come.
TexasMadrone@reddit
Trucking and transportation.
DrGrnch@reddit
German Nurse. there will be soon no one left in this country who does this job, way more nurses retire each year than fresh ones start. Only about 25% of nursing students graduate, cause there is simply no one left to properly teach it and schools try to fill the void with "teachers" from the private Sektors. I worked in some hospital wards with more doctors than nurses. The government wants to fill this gap with foreign nursing students, at the same time the government doesnt want to pay too much for it so no language school or a plan to actually house this people. So they are lured from the Philippines and Mexico by private companies which are simply using these young people as slaves akin to forced laborers in the UAE. but everyone turns a blind eye to the horrible conditions These people are forced to live through cause ... well as I said there will soon be so few nurses that we cant uphold our health system
Ok-Suggestion7186@reddit
Healthcare is literally on the brink of disaster on a daily basis.. it is alarming how young & inexperienced the workforce has become. Combine that with an aging population that is living longer and seeking more care while being higher acuity than ever before It ain’t good yall
Sweaty-Feedback-1482@reddit
Okay so because I'm not a teacher, the experiences I've witnessed happening to family and friends isn't real? What the fuck would I stand to gain here by making it up?!? You can disagree because apparently ALL the teachers you know are fucking rolling in it while working part time apparently but from my perspective that's not the case.
Let's just agree I think teachers in the US have it really hard and you think you're right because you're special or something.
Cool good talk
Angry_Submariner@reddit
US Disaster / Emergency Preparedness and Management
pksnipr1@reddit
USPS
hera-fawcett@reddit
ngl, most anything that relies on a financial middle man--- i.e. industries that make use of insurance (medical, health, shipping, housing, etc.), industries that use large loans, and banks that give those large loans.
pittbiomed@reddit
Healthcare
xaviershorts@reddit
Film & tv
BigSwiss1988@reddit
Bars. So many small business family bars are going under. It’s crazy.
Littleshuswap@reddit
Because people realize alcohol is poison.
2BlueZebras@reddit
Sweet, delicious poison.
Ok_Ad_88@reddit
And restaurants, because restaurants were propped up by selling alcohol. People arent drinking nearly as much anymore
Commercial-Invite253@reddit
Tech is on fire in a big way. SaaS margins are shrinking. And that means layoffs. But tech is full of bloated companies where ppl don’t do much work…. So…. Yeah. It’s bad
OrinThane@reddit
Healthcare. Everyone is burnt-out, everyone is leaving, patient volume is exploding at major hospitals as regional hospitals close.
86overMe@reddit
US government
CraftyKangaroo629@reddit
Farming, no workers, no fertilizer, all fresh produce prices are going to sky rocket and be corporate owned.
Ok-Conclusion5543@reddit
Nursing homes are disappearing.
Zestyclose-Essay-127@reddit
Education. Higher ed and k12.
squidwardTalks@reddit
So many school referendums failed in my state. The worst of it hasn't even hit yet. (Wisconsin)
Volume211@reddit
Budgets cuts from Feds trickle down to states and on to locality school boards. In my county we’re having many jobs eliminated for ‘26-‘27 and expecting it to be more drastic in ‘27-‘28.