After 37 Years the World’s Longest-Running Soil Warming Experiment Uncovers a Startling Climate Secret | "Soil holds more carbon globally than the atmosphere and all plant life combined"
Posted by Acrobatic-Lynx-5018@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 33 comments
Forgive the clickbaity headline, I'm not the editor...
I'm flairing this as Food because that's what it's really about, for our purposes.
Soil is drying and dying at a remarkable pace and this is leading to a disastrous future for global agriculture. When it comes to global food production the fossil fuel industry has a lot of neat tricks up her sleeve but sadly all the magic in the world can't turn back the clock.
Collapse related because soil is struggling to meet the demands of billions of hungry humans. Nearly every acre of arable land on this tragic Earth has already been seized. We must now rely on industrial might to fill the ecological dead zones - simple problems for the next generation to solve of course.
One wonders how many more tricks the agricultural industry has before they really feel the squeeze.
Just kidding - tax relief, subsidies and bailouts for everyone!
haram_halal@reddit
kek, wtf, i had this one on my bingo list, for the lulz, just because and murphy's law......anyway, how was everyones work day? We need a r/doomerventing sub, like antiwork, but brutal.
TaraJaneDisco@reddit
Not a secret, the no-till/no pesticide or herbicide/compost people have been saying this forever.
ladeepervert@reddit
I am a renegenative farmer, and I have been focused on soil restoration over everything else. While I have really encouraging results... I go to my local state parks and see the soil dying in undisturbed areas.
Soil now needs human intervention to restore itself, selective logging and chipping in place.
RadiantRole266@reddit
I’m a home permaculturalist and I agree. I think it has to do with the rapid pace of warming leading to drought and decline of the micro rhizome / plant networks. That, plus a lack of controlled burns here in the west which helps reintroduce nutrients from forests. Hard to overstate how much human intervention this landscape sustained pre industrial era, and now we’ve ruined it’s conditioned and stopped all support. No wonder soil is struggling even where we aren’t actively mining it.
Aayy69@reddit
whats chipping?
incognitochaud@reddit
What leads to soil dying in undisturbed areas?
jacscarlit@reddit
Probably also raking leaves and monoculture crops (grasses and trees). Maybe lack of bird droppings because bird population is down too. Poop becomes compost which repopulates microbes. Maybe sprinkler systems with chlorinated water. (Honestly, just spit-balling and adding to the other comment answering your question.)
Mandelvolt@reddit
Drought and pollution
pippopozzato@reddit
J.Russell Smith just entered the chat.
Nom-De-Gruyere@reddit
Yes, the fundamental principle of permaculture.
Zen_Bonsai@reddit
Secret? You just haven't looked into all the data
space_cow_girl@reddit
Healthy soil should be alive with a sticky rich web of living fungal networks, sequestering carbon and holding the soil in place, resisting erosion . Dead dirt can be resurrected into living soil by inoculating it with networking fungi that trade and redistribute nutrients the fungi has harvested from the soil and distributes it to plants and trees in exchange for carbohydrates sequestering carbon and water in the living soil. These resources came be sent to plants later as they are needed.
It’s wildly beautiful and amazing! No fertilizer from the straight of whoremoose needed to grow plants that are more nutritious!
( p.s. There are patches of dark rich soil near former settlements in the Amazonian rainforest. I wonder how the relatively poor soils of the forest were converted to rich soil for agriculture. Did they inoculate the soil with fungi intentionally? Or did the people themselves carry the spores into the fields by accident when working the land with their hands and bodies?)
MDCCCLV@reddit
You can't grow cash crops continually like that though
whereismysideoffun@reddit
You are being downvoted, but it's true.
We either have farmers who are providing food for others and there are inputs such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and others.
Or
70+% of the population are farmers again and we can grow things in more sustainable ways.
I farm on a small scale compared to modern grain farms but large compared to say a veg farm that sells at the farmers market.
If you are doing small scale agriculture, you still require inputs. Yes, fungi are important. It's not enough. If you are growing food, every thing you harvest contains nutrition. The nutrition in that came from the soil. You must put back what you took out!
I make my own fertilizers because I also commercial fish as a one person operation. I collect the fish waste of other fisherman in addition. I am able to get all the needed mircronutrients.
Biochar is also not enough, nor is a it a magic bullet. Studies show that sometimes it is detrimental to the soil, and it's not fully figured out when it will be a benefit or not, despite the near religious belief in it.
There are ways to farm sustainably.
There is more to it than fungi and biochar. Inputs are necessary no matter what type of farming you are doing.
Most of my farm is silvopasture. My pasture is native perennials. There are fruit and nut trees over. This provides shade and keeps the ground cooler, while also providing food. I get lamb and beef. But also honey locust beans, chestnuts, hazelnuts, and apples. I have non commercial levels but very ample homescale amounts of 20 other fruits. The fish fertilizers and crawfish fertilizers keep everything healthy.
People here making reductionist claims are not farmers. We have a very tight knit farmer community. Annually, we visit a different farm. Most of the farms are focused on vegetables. Last year, we went to the farm that has the best quality vegetables. They like all the other farms in the area are beyond organic. There were many questions about equipment, plant varieties and such. The thing that most farmers got stuck on at the tour what his inputs shed. How much does he use when, why, and how much? It's the key to his high quality vegetables. Others k ow they need more inputs, but he's cracked what he needs to add enough of everything needed while not adding too much also. You add too much and you can get mineral salts precipitating.
WeaveLikeGreatGranny@reddit
That's the kind of agriculture I'm trying on my farm. It's just boils down to the fact that capitalism isn't compatible with not externalizing costs. I can do all the right things for the biosphere but my reward is exactly the same $/lb as some other yahoo oxidizing topsoil and eroding it into the river 🥲
WeaveLikeGreatGranny@reddit
Capitalism requires its sacrifice! Haha
whereismysideoffun@reddit
Fungi are an important component. Additionally, for every but of nutrients removed when the food leaves the ground or plant, the equivalent must be returned. Even with fungi, nutrients need added back into the soil.
We either have farmers who are providing food for others and there are inputs such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and others needed at a huge scale with easy application.
Or
70+% of the population are farmers again and we can grow things in more sustainable ways.
I farm on a small scale compared to modern grain farms but large compared to say a veg farm that sells at the farmers market.
If you are doing small scale agriculture, you still require inputs. Yes, fungi are important. It's not enough. If you are growing food, every thing you harvest contains nutrition. The nutrition in that came from the soil. You must put back what you took out!
I make my own fertilizers because I also commercial fish as a one person operation. I collect the fish waste of other fisherman in addition. I am able to get all the needed mircronutrients.
Biochar is also not enough, nor is a it a magic bullet. Studies show that sometimes it is detrimental to the soil, and it's not fully figured out when it will be a benefit or not, despite the near religious belief in it.
There are ways to farm sustainably.
There is more to it than fungi and biochar. Inputs are necessary no matter what type of farming you are doing.
Most of my farm is silvopasture. My pasture is native perennials. There are fruit and nut trees over. This provides shade and keeps the ground cooler, while also providing food. I get lamb and beef. But also honey locust beans, chestnuts, hazelnuts, and apples. I have non commercial levels but very ample homescale amounts of 20 other fruits. The fish fertilizers and crawfish fertilizers keep everything healthy.
People here making reductionist claims are not farmers. We have a very tight knit farmer community. Annually, we visit a different farm. Most of the farms are focused on vegetables. Last year, we went to the farm that has the best quality vegetables. They like all the other farms in the area are beyond organic. There were many questions about equipment, plant varieties and such. The thing that most farmers got stuck on at the tour what his inputs shed. How much does he use when, why, and how much? It's the key to his high quality vegetables. Others k ow they need more inputs, but he's cracked what he needs to add enough of everything needed while not adding too much also. You add too much and you can get mineral salts precipitating.
One can read about certain things and find what seem like a singularly important component of something such as growing food. The applied holistic science of actively growing food with care for the environment, shows it's more complicated.
Ree_For_Thee@reddit
Toilets should empty into one of those containers that gets heated up by the sun to dry everything. Then emptied by (I guess) robots and be transported to said site, to literally make it so we're shitting in the woods again.
whereismysideoffun@reddit
Uh, robots?
Ree_For_Thee@reddit
Yeah, you know, birds.
TrickyProfit1369@reddit
Is the terra preta? I heard they just continually buried scraps
whereismysideoffun@reddit
It was the char, animal bones, fish, and fished bones, manure, and food scraps.
HuckleberryPee@reddit
Yes, it was created with scraps, animal bones, pottery sherds, but most importantly charcoal.
The charcoal in the soil acts like a sponge by sucking up nutrients that would otherwise be leached out of the soil by the frequent rainforest downpours.
They call that charcoal biochar once its been "charged" with nutrients and organic matter.
It's also fantastic for fungal and bacterial networks to inoculate the microscopic pores of the charcoal.
PowerandSignal@reddit
https://www.chelseagreen.com/product/the-biochar-handbook/
WeaveLikeGreatGranny@reddit
I have read that book and recommend it if you are interested in charcoal production or its use as a soil amendment
macofbowen@reddit
In the Pacific Northwest, the very foundation of our life—the soil—is hemorrhaging from the mountaintops into the sea. One glance at a satellite image reveals the staggering scale: an endless, fractured mosaic of clear-cuts where human greed has left the earth vulnerable to the tide.
NoFood2149@reddit
it's fascinating to me how hard it is to actually perceive topsoil erosion. i'm a big proponent of geological time, i can watch a creek eroding a few grains of sand off a rock in real time and extrapolate that out to a million years but i can't fathom 30 years of topsoil erosion on my parents farm.
trinicron@reddit
r/composting
After learning how to compost and being more conscious about left overs and greens and browns I wonder, could it be that we're literally digging out own tomb? Think about it:
We grow, then retrieve, and never put back into the cycle of life. Instead of letting the soil to regenerate we just send all leftovers to a wasteland. All that organic material should go back to the soil.
jbot14@reddit
Is there any way we can burn this soil to generate electricity? /S of course.
Nom-De-Gruyere@reddit
You joke.. but yes, sort of.
Soil can be enriched with carbon biochar made by pyrolising biomass. For example crop waste, urban garden waste, even cardboard waste is carbon that has been removed from the atmosphere. Basically you just bake it in a sealed container without oxygen and it separates into carbon charcoal and a bunch of flammable gasses. Obviously heat costs energy but renewable energy is very variable, often there is too much electricity that needs to be used or there is not enough to cover demand.
So, what if you get paid to get rid of crop and cardboard waste. Whenever there is an excess of renewable electricity, you switch on your gassifiers (microwave pyrolisis is also an option that can be turned on and off faster than electric heaters). This produces carbon char plus flammable gas at a very low electricity cost. The gas gets stored and the biochar is taken out and used in soil, sequestering the carbon for a long time. All this effort costs money but when there is demand the electricity price goes up, which is when you power up your generators using the stored gasses. Using the stored energy to sell electricity and balance demand pays for the whole process and prevents natural gas turbines being turned on.
It's scalable, technologically simple, carbon negative, beneficial for agriculture, meets a need for waste disposal and even potentially profitable. If we where doing this continuously at a low level all over the world we might stand a chance of making a dent in atmospheric CO2 levels.
But no...we let fossil fuel companies push their Carbon Capture and Storage bullshit to capture government subsidies and continue business as usual.
ask_me_about_my_band@reddit
There is a film on Amazon prime called Common Ground. It's about regenerative agriculture and how it can save the planet. Highly recommend.
Spikel14@reddit
Thanks my family and I could use some hope
1vim@reddit
Soil said I have been absorbing your problems for centuries. I am done now.