It doesn't look like his flaps are down more than about 10 deg or so. It's not like they forgot. The slats are out. I don't know what the POH calls for in gusty x-wind conditions. He may have deployed them that way on purpose. A lot of GA planes do it when the wind or x-wind is bad. Or, they were so busy they DID forget the last couple of notches, who knows? Any of you Airbus drivers out there care to comment?
Near the end they are already climbing out and mostly wings level.. and at one point the wings look like the almost 'snap' to a level position.. Is that when they engaged the autopilot?
Not a pilot or an expert, but I've flown in and out numerous times without a hitch. AEP rocks—much better than EZE way out in the sticks, two tollbooths away. I just grab my bag, jump in a taxi, and I'm home in 15 minutes, tops!
Also, there are always aviation enthusiasts hanging out by the chain-link fence at AEP, watching and filming. I bet there's amateur footage from other angles out there.
This exact thing happened when I was on a Delta flight into Atlanta, those summer storms are no joke. Doesn’t look too bad from the tower view but inside the plane it’s pretty scary for most people. They put it down hard the second time.
As someone who flies the A320, i think it is a combination of windshear, some over controlling, flaring too high, and carrying too little energy for the wind conditions. The decision to Go-Around was good but when you go full power like that close to the ground, the sudden increase in power will cause a sudden pitch up moment. If you’re pulling up already, it is a lot of lift all the sudden. We practice this in the sim as a balked landing maneuver and taught to keep the back pressure where it is at and hold it.
Look how unstable the approach is. They are were probably too high then pushed the nose down. Should have been go around before it even touch the runway
Gotcha. Probably a new pilot? Or just someone impatient/having a bad day? After rewatching it a few times I see what you're saying now. It looks like at least they managed to touch it down at the aiming point markings, but still yet, they came in pretty hard there.
Are they investigating for such incidents or even cases where they had to reattempt landing? Do they report it? Just curious how they ensure pilot gets required training and coaching.
Unless it results in passenger injury or some major invent, I’d doubt the NTSB or FAA get involved but I’d guess the pilot learns a personal lesson and MAYBE the airline’s operations team or chief Pilot gets involved if it’s bad enough to warrant that.
But the experienced airline pilots in here could correct me.
To me it just looks like they sideloaded the airplane. The longitudinal axis of the airplane and the tires were not aligned with the centerline. Combine that with extra speed or a sudden pitch up moment before touchdown and you’ll bounce. The approach looks completely fine they just didn’t kick it out. Made the correct decision to go around because you don’t try to save bounces in a jet.
Westerly winds at AEP can be nasty, you get a lot of mechanical turbulence from the city and hangars. If you are not experienced flying there it can caught you off-guard.
Being LATAM, they are not local guys so they might have never experienced AEP like that.
its windshear, the planes goes fine and then a sudden change of wind direction and intensity apears. theres even a alarm on the plane that yells WINDSHEAR; WINDSHEAR WOOOP WOOOOPPP
hard to say for sure without the full flight data, but in general bounces or rough touchdowns usually come from a mix of things rather than just one cause.
the slow mo kicking in makes it a bit harder to perceive, but it looks to me they flared a bit too much, and a bit too early leading to a the aircraft floating, and eventually falling a bit abruptly. During this fall, the pilot seems to be trying to pitch up, leading to an awkward attitude during the touch down. From that moment on it seems to be a lot of things happening, until the airplane finally has enough power to run away.
Name an airline of your country which had haven’t any accidents on its lifespan… I bet you can’t…. I can say that from LAN before its fusion with brazilian TAM
Interestingly, LATAM (formerly LAN) hasn't had any fatal accidents involving its crew and passengers since 1987. However, if we include TAM, the record worsens; but the truth is that although it was called a merger, it was actually an acquisition, and a very poor one at that.
The speeds are all fucked up I was trying to speed level it and I think the end part after the slo mo is also sped up so it's not consistent at all. I'm having a hard time on iMovie on my phone I'll have to mess with it when I get home lol
I’m ATC at very busy airport in Europe. I would say on one shift, so afternoon or morning, I see on average 3 while I’m in the tower working. If the weather is shit then it will be more. The most I’ve had in my own 40 minute session is 3 lol. Some are our fault, some are because the previous plane is still on the runway and slow to vacate, some are wind shear, some are pilots being unstable on the approach.. there are many reasons!
Wind was from 220 at 12G20kts do it was a direct crosswind. Combine that with the wind going through the sky scrapers plus the winds being 30+ kts at 300m and the proximity the ocean it was probably a handful. You can see the wings dancing pretty hard on climbout. 12-20 doesn't seem like a lot, but there is a lot more to the story than just the wind. At least they decided to go around. A few weeks ago in Vegas (WN 737-700) we had similar conditions and went around at the last minute as well. The approach was really ustable. I saw the roll spoiler come out several times between the sinking and rising and yawing. we got over the threshold and I thought "oh I was wrong they are going stick it", but at the last second we yawed and sank and up came the roar of go around power. honestly the go around and second attempt seemed unstable too, but they didn't get that last second gust that messes everything up. -im not a pilot, just someone who flies all the time and dosen't have a chose not to go if the weather sucks.
Make sure the plane is under control and going the right way first, then gear up. Plenty of performance with both engines running even with the gear down.
I saw a video on YouTube with something a bit similar and they mentioned the NEO is a bit different on landing with a tendency to sync on flair if you are not used to it. That it tends to catch pilots just switching from the CEO
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It doesn't look like his flaps are down more than about 10 deg or so. It's not like they forgot. The slats are out. I don't know what the POH calls for in gusty x-wind conditions. He may have deployed them that way on purpose. A lot of GA planes do it when the wind or x-wind is bad. Or, they were so busy they DID forget the last couple of notches, who knows? Any of you Airbus drivers out there care to comment?
CaptainAurelien@reddit
The very best of Latin America. 💪🏼
UNDR08@reddit
Just gotta love the power of the NEO to be able to just power out of that. Wonderful airplane.
Katana_DV20@reddit
Isn't this the case with all twins?
UNDR08@reddit
No
Katana_DV20@reddit
Oh I meant other airliner turbofan twins not the little piston twins used for training.
Beautiful-Quiet-5871@reddit
Near the end they are already climbing out and mostly wings level.. and at one point the wings look like the almost 'snap' to a level position.. Is that when they engaged the autopilot?
cas3ino@reddit
Not sure what AEP is typically like, but was it likely this was due to pilot error?
Rococo_Modern_Life@reddit
Not a pilot or an expert, but I've flown in and out numerous times without a hitch. AEP rocks—much better than EZE way out in the sticks, two tollbooths away. I just grab my bag, jump in a taxi, and I'm home in 15 minutes, tops!
Also, there are always aviation enthusiasts hanging out by the chain-link fence at AEP, watching and filming. I bet there's amateur footage from other angles out there.
robo-dragon@reddit
Man there were a couple moments there where it could have gone really bad!
EggsceIlent@reddit
Looks so bad I initially thought it was an AI video.
Wow bet there were of course tons of people on board screaming
And one guy screaming WEEEE
BrewCityChaserV2@reddit
Luckily they were in slow motion for a few seconds, which gave them some extra time to react accordingly.
Putrid_Speed_5138@reddit
It is not slow motion, it is bullet time. The pilot activated it at the best moment. Well done.
Fyreffect@reddit
The pilot is beginning to believe.
dsg102@reddit
Everyone goes around the fist time.
jello_sweaters@reddit
You think that's air you're flying in?
Gold_Alternative_369@reddit
At least he knew to pull up
Putrid_Speed_5138@reddit
Slacktub@reddit
Slew mode activated
vilent_sibrate@reddit
R/praisethecameraman
ky7969@reddit
Gear still down, you can tell the Pilots are flustered with this one
ebs757@reddit
250 hour pilot
chiarde@reddit
Somebody’s gonna be flying cargo planes full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong before long.
wilan727@reddit
unexpectedtopgun
LaddieNowAddie@reddit
I mean... cargo don't bitch.
Kcorpelchs@reddit
He recently passed, Maverick et al. are safe
chiarde@reddit
Best line in the movie, in my opinion. :)
Zone-5@reddit
A comfort animal must have accessed the cockpit during landing...
Jakefrmstatepharm@reddit
This exact thing happened when I was on a Delta flight into Atlanta, those summer storms are no joke. Doesn’t look too bad from the tower view but inside the plane it’s pretty scary for most people. They put it down hard the second time.
Educational-Kiwi8740@reddit
LATAM_CTM
ITrCool@reddit
Just asking any experienced airline pilots in here: what went wrong here?
Did they bring it down too hard onto the runway, causing bounce? Or was it wind sheer? Something else?
mrj_11@reddit
As someone who flies the A320, i think it is a combination of windshear, some over controlling, flaring too high, and carrying too little energy for the wind conditions. The decision to Go-Around was good but when you go full power like that close to the ground, the sudden increase in power will cause a sudden pitch up moment. If you’re pulling up already, it is a lot of lift all the sudden. We practice this in the sim as a balked landing maneuver and taught to keep the back pressure where it is at and hold it.
ITrCool@reddit
I noticed they came suuuuuper close to a tail strike too. 😵💫
KG_advantage@reddit
Look how unstable the approach is. They are were probably too high then pushed the nose down. Should have been go around before it even touch the runway
ITrCool@reddit
Gotcha. Probably a new pilot? Or just someone impatient/having a bad day? After rewatching it a few times I see what you're saying now. It looks like at least they managed to touch it down at the aiming point markings, but still yet, they came in pretty hard there.
memesearches@reddit
Are they investigating for such incidents or even cases where they had to reattempt landing? Do they report it? Just curious how they ensure pilot gets required training and coaching.
ITrCool@reddit
Unless it results in passenger injury or some major invent, I’d doubt the NTSB or FAA get involved but I’d guess the pilot learns a personal lesson and MAYBE the airline’s operations team or chief Pilot gets involved if it’s bad enough to warrant that.
But the experienced airline pilots in here could correct me.
ConstableBlimeyChips@reddit
Could also be an experienced pilot who got away with a few too many sketchy approaches.
oranges1cle@reddit
To me it just looks like they sideloaded the airplane. The longitudinal axis of the airplane and the tires were not aligned with the centerline. Combine that with extra speed or a sudden pitch up moment before touchdown and you’ll bounce. The approach looks completely fine they just didn’t kick it out. Made the correct decision to go around because you don’t try to save bounces in a jet.
Turbulent_Wash_9150@reddit
Really really unstable. Take it around. My subjective opinion is I would have ditched it earlier, but there are braver people than me
fedeger@reddit
Westerly winds at AEP can be nasty, you get a lot of mechanical turbulence from the city and hangars. If you are not experienced flying there it can caught you off-guard.
Being LATAM, they are not local guys so they might have never experienced AEP like that.
Palorrian@reddit
its windshear, the planes goes fine and then a sudden change of wind direction and intensity apears. theres even a alarm on the plane that yells WINDSHEAR; WINDSHEAR WOOOP WOOOOPPP
miizgei@reddit
hard to say for sure without the full flight data, but in general bounces or rough touchdowns usually come from a mix of things rather than just one cause.
Mean_Passenger_7971@reddit
the slow mo kicking in makes it a bit harder to perceive, but it looks to me they flared a bit too much, and a bit too early leading to a the aircraft floating, and eventually falling a bit abruptly. During this fall, the pilot seems to be trying to pitch up, leading to an awkward attitude during the touch down. From that moment on it seems to be a lot of things happening, until the airplane finally has enough power to run away.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Yeah that slo mo was at a random ass inconvenient time lol what was that
BrewCityChaserV2@reddit
TikTok editing.
airpab1@reddit
This
-butter-toast-@reddit
From what I’ve read there where heavy winds present
Kooky_Print_4736@reddit
i live near AEP today was a really windy day
Kjpilot@reddit
Great decision to take it around
Random-Cpl@reddit
Shear*
ITrCool@reddit
Thx, fixed that.
SerowiWantsToInvest@reddit
Mobile typing drives me insane, idk why but the past 6 months or so there’s been something especially bad about my phones keyboard.
notthisonefornow@reddit
Samsung? I had it after a update, my private phone is okish bit my workphone is killing me.
ITrCool@reddit
That and predictive typing. I may just turn it off, sheesh it's driving me insane.
Radioactive_Tuber57@reddit
😆😁😜😂
SkyTrucker@reddit
Unstable and probably slow.
Zomnx@reddit
*insert wtf gif here*
3rd-party-intervener@reddit
Latam is not a good airline. Questionable pilots. Hood.
GonzA321N@reddit
Name an airline of your country which had haven’t any accidents on its lifespan… I bet you can’t…. I can say that from LAN before its fusion with brazilian TAM
SituationNew7609@reddit
Interestingly, LATAM (formerly LAN) hasn't had any fatal accidents involving its crew and passengers since 1987. However, if we include TAM, the record worsens; but the truth is that although it was called a merger, it was actually an acquisition, and a very poor one at that.
Arctic_Harmacist@reddit
The wheels go Boeing, Boeing!
chrisirmo@reddit
Why was someone in the tower filming? Looks like things were fine right up to the code brown.
Schmitty21@reddit
Good question. In the USA phones and other electronic devices are banned in the ops area. Not sure what their rules are in Argentina.
clburton24@reddit
ATC are usually just as much plane nerds as we are and I'm sure the planes before were squirrely coming in.
Schmitty21@reddit
No we're not. Very few ATC are "plane nerds".
Dreemsi@reddit
As a passenger that has had this happen, it is fucking aggravating
Rox217@reddit
Less aggravating than dying I’m sure.
Dreemsi@reddit
Yes, after a long flight I just want to get off the plane, aggravating in that sense
Candid_Painting_4684@reddit
Slow motion is not needed here .
flounderflound@reddit
Quickest way to ruin a video. Easily 9 out of 10 videos I've seen where somebody used slow motion, it was completely unnecessary.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
The speeds are all fucked up I was trying to speed level it and I think the end part after the slo mo is also sped up so it's not consistent at all. I'm having a hard time on iMovie on my phone I'll have to mess with it when I get home lol
fredandlunchbox@reddit
Actually it was needed about 2 seconds earlier.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Edit L
MiddleTB@reddit
Scared the death out of me.
YU_AKI@reddit
Comments are pretty harsh. A slightly fraught but essentially stable approach gets all out of shape and results in a gruesome bounce.
The reaction is great. A brisk decision to go around, and then just calmly out. Hold the nose steady and wait for lift to come.
AEP is out in the ocean and can be unpredictable.
Fat_Argentina@reddit
It looks like the ocean, but that body of water is the River Plate, a fresh water estuary or the widest river on earth.
MapHaunting3732@reddit
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IntroductionDry5380@reddit
skill issue
maxquordleplee3n@reddit
Flippin' eck!
EstateAlternative416@reddit
LATAM… would’ve never guessed!
That-Makes-Sense@reddit
One of my last plane trips had a go-around. Pilot said through the cabin speakers something like "The tower had us coming in too high." Whatever.
Anyways, my question is, at major airport, how often are there go-arounds? Daily, weekly, hourly?
quashroom28@reddit
I’m ATC at very busy airport in Europe. I would say on one shift, so afternoon or morning, I see on average 3 while I’m in the tower working. If the weather is shit then it will be more. The most I’ve had in my own 40 minute session is 3 lol. Some are our fault, some are because the previous plane is still on the runway and slow to vacate, some are wind shear, some are pilots being unstable on the approach.. there are many reasons!
That-Makes-Sense@reddit
Thanks for the great info. I had no idea there were that many.
D4NVT@reddit
At what point here is likely TOGA was activayed? What sort of delay is there between hammering it and the aircraft responding? 2s? 5?
West_Good_5961@reddit
FO’s first day?
HYThrowaway1980@reddit
Change of pants.
Recalcitrant-Trash@reddit
Wind was from 220 at 12G20kts do it was a direct crosswind. Combine that with the wind going through the sky scrapers plus the winds being 30+ kts at 300m and the proximity the ocean it was probably a handful. You can see the wings dancing pretty hard on climbout. 12-20 doesn't seem like a lot, but there is a lot more to the story than just the wind. At least they decided to go around. A few weeks ago in Vegas (WN 737-700) we had similar conditions and went around at the last minute as well. The approach was really ustable. I saw the roll spoiler come out several times between the sinking and rising and yawing. we got over the threshold and I thought "oh I was wrong they are going stick it", but at the last second we yawed and sank and up came the roar of go around power. honestly the go around and second attempt seemed unstable too, but they didn't get that last second gust that messes everything up. -im not a pilot, just someone who flies all the time and dosen't have a chose not to go if the weather sucks.
the_arentino@reddit
"Ehh... Captain, the passengers are wondering if we can have the other guy try?"
JayGerard@reddit
Possible tail strike?
Captain_Billy@reddit
Tail strikes generally happen in an A320 above 12 to 14 degrees of pitch at touch down. Fairly sure that’s more than that.
G25777K@reddit
Maybe, but no tail strike, the black on the runway and angle is playing with your eyes.
wrathoffadra@reddit
Nope
rocketshipkiwi@reddit
I was wondering if the wingtip hit the ground too.
JustaFoodHole@reddit
Fuck this portrait video shit
Millroyz@reddit
What are the repercussions for the pilot in go around incidents like this?
looper741@reddit
None.
montague68@reddit
Not even then, if the pilots are union.
fishead36x@reddit
Why is the gear not instantly up when its climbing. Is that just a fighter thing.
rendezvousnz@reddit
Make sure the plane is under control and going the right way first, then gear up. Plenty of performance with both engines running even with the gear down.
Frosty_Log6972@reddit
How can one take this video without the camera focusing on the window for no reason
rendezvousnz@reddit
Maybe long tap to lock exposure and focus before or during recording.
andrewdt10@reddit
Can’t imagine any of those passengers enjoyed that.
Yutenji2020@reddit
LATAM … anyone surprised? Anyone?
capmb_4stripes@reddit
I don't wanna be that guy either, but holy shit can these guys fly?
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Pull stick, plane goes up. Push stick, plane goes down. What's hard about that?
Difficult_Trust1752@reddit
Fly? yes. land safely? no
ycarel@reddit
I saw a video on YouTube with something a bit similar and they mentioned the NEO is a bit different on landing with a tendency to sync on flair if you are not used to it. That it tends to catch pilots just switching from the CEO
hacourt@reddit
That was a good call right there. Bravo pilot.
Secure-Tradition793@reddit
That's how we land planes in GTA.
sleevenz@reddit
Nope
Ologunde@reddit
That was scary to watch! Can’t imagine actually being on board. Glad they made out ok.
waterpageeeeee@reddit
how to get history weather information？
SlashCache@reddit
Woah ……
BaseConnect1420@reddit
Which airport is this?
OpenImagination9@reddit
Were they having a tickle-fight in the cockpit?
kk074@reddit
All the pants are brown.
Crackerpuppy@reddit
And the sky is grey…..
mckunekune@reddit
Out there for a flight on a windy day…
trellisHot@reddit
If I didnt travel, I could live today
wileysegovia@reddit
Buenos Aires dreaming ...
FixergirlAK@reddit
And the skies are blue.
DaltonTanner1994@reddit
What city is this
cas3ino@reddit
Buenos Aires
barolo-bro@reddit
He is good no worried
encephalqn@reddit
all of the seats on that plane are now brown. especially the 2 up front!
F0rbiddenD0nut@reddit
Both pilot seats mow have a permanent asshole shaped clench mark on the cushion.
Epstiendidntkillself@reddit
XYooper906@reddit
Captain buttmunched the sheepskin.
Radioactive_Tuber57@reddit
I’d need pliers to pull all that upholstery out of there………
HandiCAPEable@reddit
Hit em with the Euro-step
pilotshashi@reddit
For a sec, I thought one side gear gone 😳
Jlx_27@reddit
Yes yes yes yes yes, never mind.
BlueDotty@reddit
Yeeeehaaaahhh!
Also, fuck that for a ride
whatdahelldamnguy@reddit
Thst looks terrifying
Lispro4units@reddit
Was the right wing close to stalling ?
jawshoeaw@reddit
Man these videos make me feel better about my shitty landings! (Not a professional pilot)
Metallifan33@reddit
That’s a crazy video. Doesn’t look real (not saying it’s not; just something doesn’t look right).
AliceInPlunderland@reddit
I guess no one told LATAM ain’t no party like a toga party
YamComprehensive7186@reddit
Horrible handling, close to a fireball I'd say.
k12pcb@reddit
He royally fucked that one
trellisHot@reddit
My trousers would be ruined!
Toads_Of_Fun@reddit
That did NOT look good.
ElFarts@reddit
Guess the pucker factor made them forget positive rate, gear up. Been there.
SnooEagles7290@reddit
oh. oh! OH!
slowpoke2018@reddit
Was literally a second from disaster
JayGerard@reddit
Appears they were behind the plane and the approach leading to instability. I think they even had at least one tail strike.
Happy-Table-9515@reddit
Go around? That was a straight up crash.
Hawtdawgz_4@reddit
Holy shit
reddituserperson1122@reddit
Wooo that looked close. At least from this angle.
Accomplished-One7476@reddit
they had wind 10-15 mph today
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