Anon shares his opinion on reddit
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Posted by LavendurLark@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 342 comments
GreatGigInTheSky855@reddit
There’s a certain crowd within Reddit that hates children, for some reason. And the only thing they love more than injecting that opinion into every possible conversation is hearing about someone who regrets having kids.
ChefAnxiousCowboy@reddit
I don’t really like kids and it’s not hard for me to keep it to myself and still be polite to them and parents. Most people have no idea i dislike kids, but as the youngest in my very small family I just don’t really know how to interact with them beyond usual infantile platitudes. Some people just think their outspoken opinion is more important than common decency. We obviously need offspring to perpetuate our species so even if I don’t have any why wouldn’t I want them happy and healthy?
WranglerTop4352@reddit
It's kind of sad how weirdly desperate some of them are to find info about kids being awful. They're obsessed with how " happy " they are but can't STFU about their disdain.
-King_Slacker@reddit
I do think that some amount of it is a coping mechanism. Some of them are young teens and avoidant of the responsibility of having a child. Others, I think, are women that chose not to and have some regret over it, so they go over the top as a defense mechanism.
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
I think 80% of them are people who wanted children but never found a person willing to have children with them, so now they are big mad
WranglerTop4352@reddit
Yes, absolutely. Happy people don't need to tell you how happy they are all the time.
BrunesOvrBrauns@reddit
For what it's worth, you probably still encounter those opinions much less than you hear about the wonders of parenting and the joy of having children.
I am not a member of r/childfree, but I get it.
henrikhakan@reddit
I have a 2yo, and she's easily my biggest daily frustrations, but the thought of not coming home to her every day is among the worst things I can imagine even though I sometimes cook three dinners in one day because I pick my battles...
You're hardwired to love your child, parenting is weird, it's not for everyone, and that's fine.
Cry_Wolff@reddit
Yet there are plenty people who regret having children, it's not that simple.
fk12HS@reddit
Some people are shitty humans
agirlhas_no_name@reddit
Failure to bond with your child can be due to a multitude of reasons, reducing it down to "shitty human" isn't productive in the slightest and is a massive contributing factor to parents not seeking professional help for ppd.
henrikhakan@reddit
You're right, some people have physiological oxytocin-deficiencies, which is the hormone you create whenever you hold your child and makes you feel love. Post psrtum depression makes the bonding deviant as well. You shouldn't be downvoted for this, and a lot of people here seem to think that if you don't love you child it's because you're a garbage human, and people who have deficiencies and depressions which hinder them from being healthy relationships and habits shouldn't have to also deal with being shamed for that...
Cry_Wolff@reddit
So in your opinion those people chose to feel regret?
1chuteurun@reddit
Its entirely possible that's also simply how they feel on the surface. Im willing to bet most would have a mental breakdown if CPS came and took their kids today. Many people don't realize what they've got till it's gone type of thing, you know?
i860@reddit
No, they chose to continue to be selfish and not actually grow up.
Northerndust@reddit
Sure, overwhelming majority does.
Just because your are haedwired to love your child doesnt mean exactly 100% of your population. Just that it is the standard.
henrikhakan@reddit
Some aren't I guess.
WranglerTop4352@reddit
No, I regularly encounter anti-child opinions at work and online far more frequently than pro family or pro child opinions. People really don't give a fuck about kids anymore and they can't wait to tell you about it. It gets obsessive after a certain point.
WranglerTop4352@reddit
Found one lol
ModernCaveWuffs@reddit
and then there's r/antinatalism
TheManTheyCallSven@reddit
The biggest downside of the internet is that people with completely deranged opinions can easily find like-minded people and convince each other that their way of thinking is completely normal
rice_with_applesauce@reddit
The amount idiocy displayed in there is insane
Bobbyjets@reddit
Really competing for the worst possible subreddit.
L003Tr@reddit
That is one of the most pathetic subs I've ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on
Ok-Lynx3444@reddit
Just a nest of miserable nihilists and misanthropes lmao
Saliiim@reddit
You can't convince me that it's not a cope.
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
Some people always wanted children but never managed to find someone actually willing to procreate with them so now they are anti child out of spite
Saliiim@reddit
Reddit antinatalists are generally horrible people imo. A friend and his wife decided not to have children and they don't post online about it all day every day and tell me how stupid I am for having a baby.
new_KRIEG@reddit
Redditors with a strong sense of community with other redditors are generally horrible people. Especially if said community is anti- something.
Most people who don't want children are normal people who just don't like kids, or don't want to get pregnant, or really can't afford one.
Saliiim@reddit
Great point.
ChadPowers200_@reddit
They hate anything that resembles traditional Christian values.
SuperMageFromOW@reddit
While we're on the topic of Christian values can we talk about why tf circumcision is a thing? I thought we were all made in his image or some bs
turn1manacrypt@reddit
A lot of the people in the US got circumcised because of faulty medical knowledge. I was born in 93 to non religious parents and I was circumcised.
Neither of my parents were religious, atleast not enough where we ever went to church. Mom off handedly mentioned god and her love for him a few times in my life I can remember. Dad never said shit about it or anything super natural for his entire life. He either just didn’t give a fuck or was an atheist. So basically religion wasn’t really ever an element in my life really. Even if my mom did believe in god nobody in my household was religious.
My mother was also a charge nurse who was great at her job and had a lot of medical knowledge. Doctors she worked with had convinced her during her pregnancy to do circumcision. They said for sanitation it was easier so it was harder to contract STDs, and also it was just the normal thing now so for my future adult sex life it may be better.
The first was bullshit but I will say for two I haven’t slept around a ton but every girl I’ve been with didn’t act surprised or upset I was cut and some that I dated even actually said at some points in our relationship they didn’t like how uncircumcised penises looked and had never seen one in person.
It is barbaric and dumb but even in recent history people were convinced it was a good thing to do. My family was one of them and they weren’t stupid. It’s just when you have a person of medical authority telling you to do a thing especially one that specializes in child birth you just defer to their expertise and hope they are right. Unfortunately on that one they were wrong and probably mislead themselves. I don’t think they would’ve told my mom that unless they truly did believe it was medically sound and a good idea.
SuperMageFromOW@reddit
Agreed. It's absolutely barbaric and disgusting. The fact that it's a surgery that can go horribly wrong just adds to how awful it is
Put simply, it's genital mutilation. Mutilation for cosmetic reasons.
It's fucking abhorrent, and anyone who says "they prefer the look of an uncut guy" is just reinforcing the fact that people think it's ok to operate on a 13 day old baby to "make him look better"
Imagine if we just started ripping off labias that "weren't appealing" it's the same fucking thing.
Sorry if this is more ranty lol, I feel really passionately about this. The fact that a baby died for cosmetic reasons is just... There's not a word to describe my disdain for it.
DivideSensitive@reddit
That's not a Christian value, that's an American value.
Orthobrah52102@reddit
Yeah, not a Christian value.
Everestkid@reddit
That's not a Christian value. Judaism and Islam require men to be circumcised, but Christianity doesn't, as part of the new covenant established by Jesus (if you want the theological reasoning).
The United States is basically the only majority Christian country where circumcision is widespread, mainly because they got all the weird versions of Protestantism after the Protestant Reformation. Circumcision is otherwise uncommon basically everywhere other than Israel (because Judaism) and the Arab states (because Islam).
findMyNudesSomewhere@reddit
I watched porn before having sex and the first dick I saw I found exceptionally odd. I though maybe dicks come in different shapes and so on. The second dick I saw I asked the dude. And that's how I found out about circumcision.
I personally find it similar to FGM.
onepromaster69@reddit
The Philippines requires everyone to be circumcised
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
Mr Kelogg Cornflakes is the reason yanks get it
JCampenish@reddit
PixelSpy@reddit
I can confirm I hate all of those things. Your kid toucher cult disgusts me.
morbnowhere@reddit
"muh christian values of reproduction", yall on Reddit, the porn, violence, furry, gore, gay website. Yall not preaching, yall enjoying the filth and watching the gladiators gouge each others eyes out and cheering with the pagans. I was raised ultra christian, i know you all just being here means youre not going into gods kingdom
Go read a Bible
Kelainefes@reddit
You are on Reddit too
strawberry_semenade@reddit
Strangely though, they love traditional Islamic values, which are basically the same except less white and therefore more "progressive".
Fronesis@reddit
Absolutely silly take. Not wanting a minority religion to be persecuted is not the same as agreeing with that religion or its values.
Hobboth@reddit
Minority?
CrazyElk123@reddit
Its true though. Go to any popular subreddit and bring it up, and you will have 10 redditors do whataboutism about christianity.
As a scandinavian this is equally dumb to see everytime since we are essentially the most secular "christians" in the world. I have to convince myself that regular americans arent this braindead.
RusoDuma@reddit
Only performatively. There's no way they actually agree with "traditional Islamic values"
Diezelbub@reddit
Somehow the "marry a 13 year old, tell her to shut up and cover her face outside the house," part gets swept under the rug
Rambozo77@reddit
That’s racist
ArcticLeopard@reddit
If not wanting child marriages makes me racist then zig heil
CrazyElk123@reddit
Islam isnt a race genius
RusoDuma@reddit
It's historically accurate. Racism would be claiming that someone wants/has a child bride because they are brown. Recognizing that radical traditionalists within Islam historically practiced and still advocate for child marriage is presenting information. Now, to be fair, we are on r/4chan so the likelihood that someone here is doing that is hilariously low.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
they do not love those values.
only the most regarded and performative leftists actually like Islam.
Areallywierdusername@reddit
Atleast to what I’ve seen in my sister is a: They are repressed, we need to help them, raising concerns is going against them, you can’t go against them.
egggspecial@reddit
something something "hate the sin, love the sinner" or whatever it is christians say.
BrunesOvrBrauns@reddit
Excuse you penises are perfectly normal
Mother_Lead_554@reddit
Fact this got voted nearly 40 times really emphasises his point
Neomataza@reddit
Upvotes get shoved up there as well.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
I hate the Demiurge
ILoveAnime890@reddit
It's insane man, makes me want to delete reddit. But that feels like a easy way out.
runway31@reddit
I used to think I wanted to be child free, I found that reddit and followed it for a while. As time went on I noticed how bitter, resentful and miserable they all seem… I still dont have kids but am absolutely open to it when the time is right
Comeino@reddit
Have you considered that maybe if society wouldn't peer pressure people into becoming parents against their will and take away their rights to personal autonomy you wouldn't see this rhetoric as often?
In my country I literally cannot even legally get voluntarily sterilized unless I push out two kids into existence first and even that is a lie. My mom was dying from ovarian cancer and the medical establishment refused to remove her reproductive organs completely, just in case she still meets a man who might want kids and she might regret not being able to birth them for him. She was 42, divorced with 2 children at the time, it's insane that the wishes of an imaginary man somehow took precedence over her dying. She could have been alive on hormone replacement therapy but my mom was murdered by the legal and medical system trying to raise the birthrates at any cost. Now I will rather die than birth a single child into this place, my sibling isn't having any kids either.
She died from cancer spreading to her stomach and lungs, but hey maybe if she tried hard enough to get pregnant as a pre-menopausal woman on chemo she could have made an extra cancer baby making her oh so grateful and happy before she bites the dust! /s
And before you say that in more advanced countries the situation is very different US made a corpse gestate a kid against the will of the family and left them with all the life support bills and are now actively working on taking away birth control so I'm not buying that bs.
new_KRIEG@reddit
On an even less grim version (I'm really sorry for your loss, that's brutal), it's a fucking hassle and way too expensive.
Sure, let's make my wife give up her career to be away for at least a year to birth and raise a kid, then lower our living standards significantly to maintain said child. And let's also hope that she doesn't have any lifelong complications as a result of the whole process. And let's warp most of our lives for the next 18+ years around a child.
Like, props to whoever wants to keep the next generations going, but I'm only getting one shot at this life and I'd like to actually enjoy it.
please_gimme_a_name@reddit
Which country exactly is this?
Comeino@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_human_sterilization_by_country
A lot of countries make it illegal to get voluntarily sterilized unless you have 1-5 kids.
In my case it's Ukraine in 2017:
morbnowhere@reddit
Person in the very original thread said dad wanted her to be in kids life, not kid wanting her.
Greentext anon conveniently left that out
Even if kid wanted her to be in her life, dad made a promise, quite a heavy one and should have kept it.
And those in this thread going "muh christian values of reproduction", yall o. Reddit, the porn, violence, gore, gay app. I was raised ultra christian, i know you all being here means youre not going to heaven
Go read a Bible
Lemak0@reddit
Yeah, they call normal human beings who want a family at some point 'natalist' as some sort of derogatory term and think themselves contemporary and cool for dying alone and miserable one day
BUR6S@reddit
There’s that subreddit r/KidsAreFuckingStupid where it’s a bunch of grown adults making fun of children making mistakes, or worse, getting hurt… because they’re literal children and don’t know any better.
I will die on the hill that r/KidsAreFuckingStupid is one of the weirdest subs on this site and people that regularly get their kicks from watching children get hurt need clinical help.
FalconRelevant@reddit
Wait till you see r/childfree. A bunch of extremists.
jaminbob@reddit
Oh god now I'm depressed.
Very happy people there aren't procreating though.
PermissionSoggy891@reddit
buncha incels who never getting laid coping bout the fact they never getting laid
Orthobrah52102@reddit
No it's mostly women who are inwardly miserable and want to find other people who are also miserable, usually blaming that misery on children
spiritofporn@reddit
That's about the worst hatesub on reddit. They even made up slurs.
herroebauss@reddit
Breh have you actually been to that sub? It's NOTHING like you are describing lol wtf
Neomataza@reddit
I don't think that sub allows content that goes beyond emotional pain or scraped knees. You just made me check.
dipshittio123@reddit
I think you’re just dumb if you think that sub is anti kid
AerieSurie@reddit
Isn't that a sub for posting cute and funny videos of kids though? I don't think people actually hate children there though. If a kid was hurt in some way they usually blame the parents.
Conscious_Candle2598@reddit
I never understood that Sub. You think Kids are stupid? Stick half of full grown adults at a 4 way stop and take away the painted lines.
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
There are some people on the various relationship subs that genuinely hate men or hate relationships and have never had a good one. Imagine taking advice from such broken people lol.
ShouldHaveGoneToUCC@reddit
I once saw a particularly deranged relationship advice comment on AITA and it was heavily upvoted despite being utterly toxic and not something that anyone with healthy relationship experience would suggest.
Then I looked at the user profile of the person who said it and the poster was an 18 year old stripper engaged to a man in his 40s who she was always ranting about on Reddit. So yeah, that's the kind of person giving relationship advice on AITA.
AtomicMonkeyTheFirst@reddit
Not wanting to have children is one thing.
Spending your time ranting online about why you dont have children & how great your life is without them is fucking weird.
I sometimes wonder how many of these people are middle aged women who put off kids for so long they now cant have them and are trying to comvince themselves & everyone else that that was a choice they made and not something they bitterly regret.
i860@reddit
It is 100% that.
onepromaster69@reddit
Why TF is it always women with you people????
Orthobrah52102@reddit
Go onto the Subreddit and see for yourself. Literally observe with your own eyes. 85% of the posts there are women
PermissionSoggy891@reddit
Who says this can't apply to a middle aged dude as well? Honestly, it might apply even better to middle aged men because there aren't any women on this godforsaken site anyways
onepromaster69@reddit
Exactly, there was this dude who complained in childfree cause the woman kept her baby even though he wanted to abort.
dongiovanni7777@reddit
Most people who use reddit are the type you wouldn't associate with irl. That includes everyone down voting this comment
eossfounder@reddit
Similarly, the only thing they hate more than children is being called "childless" rather than "child free".
drak0ni@reddit
I mean, I fucking hate children. I work as a bartender in a bar where the parents let their kids run around as if it’s a playground and the owner wants to be family friendly so I can’t say anything about it. I’ve gone from loving children to only seeing the worst side of them every week and then having to clean up after them too. I still think the kid deserves to meet her mom though. They don’t have to have a relationship, but they should at least meet.
i860@reddit
They hate themselves first and foremost. It's like literal dead ends walking around in society trying to convince you that you too should be doing the same thing as them.
kingkool88@reddit
Im one of them and I dont hate myself. Its more that society claims to be a free and fair society and it just isn't. It rams things like hard work ethics, family values, masculinity and patriotism down your fucking throat if you pay attention. Things that aren't even laws. And that's fine for the people who want that. I'm friends with plenty of them. But they should also respect my choice not to participate in that becauseits just not how I feel. It doesn't seem logical and it would make me deeply unhappy to participate in that emotionally and I would also be a liar to myself and to others. But its more often you get either the condescending " you'll grow up and grow out of it" or the confused " i don't understand that" from people. Why do we all have to be the same? Its literally not hurting anyone and does legit make me happier. But its the ones that both practice it and look down on people that do the opposite that I ironically look down on and feel bad for.
PermissionSoggy891@reddit
"people who don't want kids" are up there with linux fanboys and vegans in their only personality trait being the fact that they don't want kids (regardless, it's not like they COULD have kids in the first place, as this requires some form of consensual sexual contact or passing a background check to adopt a child)
Hyperversum@reddit
There is an overlapping-but-not-fully-the-same crowd of anti-childre, anti-relationship where not everything is always perfect, anti-conflict in any shape or form. It's pathetic tbh.
i860@reddit
They're all 100% NGMI.
kreme-machine@reddit
I haven’t done the math, but 90% of the antidog subreddit are in there as well. I’d be willing to be it’s some kind of weird attachment issue.
BardicInnovation@reddit
I don't get it. I have 2 kids, and sure sometimes it's tough, but I love the little shits with all my heart.
BUT - I'm not going to lie, I really dislike other kids. To be fair though, I dislike most other people by default anyway.
Otaconmg@reddit
Hates children, but loves cats.
ReturnRadio@reddit
Sounds like a problem that will solve itself.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
True
UsErNaMeS_aR_DuMb@reddit
Go on r/politics
Go on r/askreddit
Go on r/tiktokcringe
Go on gender/race specific subs:
Go on meme subs:
Current_Database_728@reddit
Go on r/cosplay
People plugging their OnlyFans
agvkrioni@reddit
How does not have more upvotes? It's spot on
Saliiim@reddit
AskReddit is just "how do I get women to have sex with me" or "tell me about the weirdest sex you've had" phrased in a million different ways.
JMaC1130@reddit
This could not be explained any better than how you just did. Bravo.
EnragedTea43@reddit
It’s terrible watching whenthe become what you described for meme subs. It used to be such a good sub
wordjedi@reddit
I was going to say that's the answer to anon's post about reddit. The person who could do no wrong and has everyone's sympathy and unconditional support even if she commits warcrimes, is female
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
It's insanely accurate and somehow at the same time, completely invisible to the people who it applies to
onepromaster69@reddit
SLASH POLITICS WEREN'T A PORN SUB??????
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
Well, 2014 was pretty good.
Conscious_Candle2598@reddit
pretty certain half the users/comments on here are just Bots at this point...
BilleyBong@reddit
I thought I was the only one seeing all these trash stereotypes. All of what you said is so accurate
QFB-procrastinator@reddit
I think some meme subs are funny, but i have to admit my bar is pretty low. Like, i find people slipping on bananas funny.
Jackyboyad@reddit
To be fair it’s the tried ant true comedy method
QFB-procrastinator@reddit
You got me, i can list some unfunny media i find funny:
ICarly, and other Schneider shows of the kind;
The Big Bang Theory;
Every episode of every season of The Simpsons;
The Sheen-less seasons of 1 and 1/2 men;
The Pilots for failed american adaptations of British sitcoms.
In general, as long as i can tell something is supposed to be funny, it will at least get a chuckle out of me. I can tell some things are much less funny than others, but it’s hard for something to not make me laugh at all.
-esperanto-@reddit
This is all true and I only come on here for the Sonic the hedgehog subreddit because I’m autistic and want to fuck a cartoon bat
CasulWrecker@reddit
I've left "meme" subs for the exact same reason
jamiebob555@reddit
The sooner we introduce licenses to parent, the better. Some people should never have children
seanthebeloved@reddit
I agree. Abortions should be mandatory without a special (expensive) permit and a (racist) IQ test.
jamiebob555@reddit
You're joking but imagine how much better off we'd be if certain horrible people weren't allowed to have offspring.
Speedx_xStick@reddit
I’ve seen this somewhere before
DringleDringle@reddit
Remember to be cognizant of where you goop
PrestigiousPainter-@reddit
I mean to be fair over here, if the shoe is on the other foot, that’s something that happens I would think frequently enough.
PixelSpy@reddit
I mean thats fair. She said she didnt want the kid, so she didnt have the kid.
Nobody should be forced to raise a kid they dont want, that's fucked. For both the parent and the kid, because who wants to be raised by someone who probably hates you.
stumperr@reddit
I think it's something instinctual inside is that hates to see a mother reject her child. Ultimately she helped create the life and just because she didn't kill it doesn't rid her of some responsibility imo
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
Yes it does. She explicitly said „sure I‘ll have the child if I‘m not responsible for it“. She would have taken responsibility by aborting the baby
stumperr@reddit
The post doesn't say anything about responsibility. It says meet her. Is even that a big deal? Is her obvious political statement more important than the wee girl?
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
She doesn‘t want to raise a child. The guy says he will. So he‘s responsible as the father. I don‘t know whether that‘s a big deal to everyone, but I‘m pretty sure someone would resent their partner for pushing them to carry a pregnancy to term and to then expect to play mommy despite a clear unwillingness to do so
HeavilyInvestedDonut@reddit
Two people make a baby. Just because one parent doesn’t want it doesn’t mean that it’s messed up if the other one does. Biology working the way it does doesn’t mean the woman is the only person to consider
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
I never said it was messed up that he wanted the baby, that is up to her to then decide whether to make that effort of a pregnancy for him. The wish is nor messed up, pressuring someone to carry a pregnancy to term would be. Ultimately the woman gets to decide, but if she decides to birth the baby for him, I don‘t think it‘s reasonable to expect anything else from her afterwards
HeavilyInvestedDonut@reddit
It’s his baby too. Bodily autonomy is great, but this is a decision that affects three people in total. At the end of the day, she made the decision to carry the baby too.
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
The dad also made the decision knowing that this is how it would turn out. That‘s just the logical consequence of two parents not agreeing. The mother is not less right, because if the dad agreed with her, there would have never been a child to disappoint and make feel bad, you know? I previously argued for aborting a baby you don‘t want, because the opposite is selfish. It is selfish to have a baby you won‘t love. That‘s why she wanted to abort.
stumperr@reddit
It just says meet. But anyway I'm just saying why I think people don't like it. A nother rejecting her child is sad
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
Yeah ik, „just meeting“ can be too much already for someone who didn‘t want that child in the first place. She‘s not the child‘s parent, the father is. And she wouldn‘t have needed to reject her child when it was older if she had aborted it in the first place.
stumperr@reddit
Seems I empathise with child more because they never asked to be born. They are the only actual victim here. I don't think the girl would want to be killed either tbh.
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
Yes correct. That‘s a strong argument for abortion in my opinion. Better you end a fetus‘ life than bringing a child into a world where it only has one parent and an unstable life, where the child would have to question why its mother abandoned her and what is supposedly wrong with her to be abandoned for…
stumperr@reddit
Look and I'm don't disputing the mums right to do that. I was saying why people don't like it. It's a mother rejecting her own child and playing the victim she created the life. I think the girl would rather be born to a single parent than be killed. I know I would. Why do you pro abortioners speak with such disregard?
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
Yes I see that some people do dislike it. I understand why, it is an intuitive reaction to have.
I‘m guessing that beyond the narrativisation or the post most women in that situation don‘t act like victims. She created the life because she had a deal with the father. That‘s it, no need to assign blame or perpetrator-victim-status.
I don‘t think I‘m speaking with disregard because I would want my parents and myself to live a happy life, which means I wouldn‘t want to be born at the wrong time when my parents were too young or I wouldn‘t have been loved. Too many children are accidents that end up in terrible families.
stumperr@reddit
Deal or no deal it's a mother rejecting her child. And her only retort is well I didn't kill her during the pregnancy. It just looks bad.
Well a child would never been offered that choice. They will always be born though
DuhTocqueville@reddit
I mean, ok, I get roaringly drunk and hop behind the wheel. I tell my wife “bro I’m wasted AF, whatever happens happens” and she goes “fuck yeah drunk king.” I drive into a child.
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
The correct analogy would be;
"Hey husband I'm drunk so I really don't think I should he driving, and I really don't want to drive."
"You must, my wife, I must he returned to my domicile this instant."
Or some shit. The woman didn't want to do it, but the man pressured her into doing it.
SoupaMayo@reddit
Apple to orange
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
Massively stupid takeaway.
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
I don‘t see a connection. To me an unborn child doesn‘t have the same worth as a born one. I‘m not a „masturbation is genocide“ kinda guy like evangelicals are
DuhTocqueville@reddit
In both scenarios a child factually exists. The question is if you owe that child anything. Do I owe it safe driving and does its mother owe it some relationship?
The fact that the dad and mother conspire to agree the child is owed and owns nothing doesn’t factor into my analysis of weather the child is, point in fact, owed something from its parents.
trashcan___@reddit
I think calling her a mother is a stretch, because she never wanted or performed that role. She was basically a surrogate for the father. Is a surrogate obligated to meet the child if they ask ?
stumperr@reddit
No because the life was created before any "agreement".
trashcan___@reddit
the life was also about to be un-created unless the agreement was made
stumperr@reddit
Killed yeah but I don't think that makes the mother look any better
trashcan___@reddit
but it doesn’t make her a mother in any meaningful capacity. she would not have been one if she didn’t have the guarantee she was carrying the child entirely for someone else. surrogacy or no child to speak of. same way kids with deadbeats consider them ‘sperm donors’ except she was upfront about what was going to be her role in their life.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
Trying to gain sympathy on reddit on your “brave”decision is not virtuous or moral though. Seems like an immature, run from responsibility type of woman according to the story.
96363@reddit
She didn't run from the responsibility. She was going to have an abortion and the father said "I'll take all the responsibility". So she had the kid for him. She's done her part and I'm sure if she knew this would have happened in the future she would have just had the procedure done and been able to move on with her life.
Weak_Ad_8646@reddit
To be fair. The child just wanted to meet it's mother. No one said anything about her taking on a motherly role. It's a natural curiosity from the child's perspective. This conversation proves the OPs point or people conveniently ignore aspects of the post
JustMoreSadGirlShit@reddit
ok why do the child’s wants outweigh her own? she’s already sacrificed what she wanted for this child
HazelCheese@reddit
If it's the Reddit post I'm thinking of, the father was a total piece of shit.
He was trying to baby trap her to stop her from breaking up with him and promised to raise the child himself thinking it would win her back.
He sulked like crazy after the kid was born when she didn't magically change her mind and acted like an asshole towards her and her family until she left.
I dont remember the kid being 12 years old and wanting to meet her though so I think that was made up for the 4chan post.
barryhakker@reddit
Yeah but if the deal was that she at no point wanted anything to do with the child?
HANDCRAFTEDD_@reddit
The 12 year old girl, whom would one day grow up to positively or negatively impact society would have had no part in such a 'deal' had it actually been arranged that way.
"Sorry kid, I you just want to lay eyes on me, but that wasn't part of the deal we made in high school."
Tell me how you're not a sociopath?
Although it (clearly) doesn't always work out that way, I'm very glad the people who definitely should not reproduce, often make the correct choice not to. Selfishmaxing beyond reason.
barryhakker@reddit
Yeah and this is exactly why she should've aborted it.
Nayten03@reddit
It’s her child, what she wants isn’t top priority anymore
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
True, in most western countries she wouldn’t be legally responsibly to raise the child as long as she paid her financial obligations to the kid. But posting on reddit for sympathy for abandoning her child is of the upmost degenerate behavior and it would be the same for a man to do the same thing. It should be basic morals for a functioning society not to be seen as a hero or “tragic figure” to leave your child to the other parent to raise by themselves regardless of gender.
Riku_70X@reddit
I mean, it was a post on Am I The Asshole. I know a lot of the posts on there are just looking for sympathy or to be told that they're already in the right. But, if I play... I guess "angel's advocate"? It's entirely possible that she was legitimately questioning if she was being an asshole for refusing to see her 12 year old daughter.
It's not guaranteed that she was trying to be seen as a hero. She very much could have just been looking for a second opinion. That is the original intent of the sub, after all.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
I’ll concede that that could be completely true, I’m not uncompassionate to women or men who have to deal with one of life’s hardest problems. It’s just that the story was presented in a way that the woman was callous and uncaring to the child she brought into the world. I would have the same resentment, indignant feeling towards the man who leaves his child and baby mother. I believe that if you have a child, you should provide for him/her as best as you can, even if it means leaving them for adoption.
Riku_70X@reddit
I generally try to be fairly neutral when interpreting stories on the internet.
The 4chan guy wrote the story to be biased against the woman and make her look worse. The woman probably wrote her original story to be biased in her own favour to make herself look better. Even if they didn't mean to, it's just what happens when humans tell stories. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
On that point about adoption, that's essentially what she did. She said that she wasn't ready to raise a child, that she wouldn't be able to be the loving mother that it deserves, and that she wanted an abortion. The father said he'd raise the child all by himself, and she agreed to this before even giving birth.
The best thing she could do for the child (besides abortion) was to let the father raise it, and that's what she did.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
I agree with pretty much everything you said, she had the child and gave him/her to the father to raise because she wasn’t ready to raise him/her. Whether the anon on the story wrote the woman to look worse is up for you interpretation. I objected to the fact that in the story she cried for sympathy about leaving her child to another person with no responsibility of her own aside from possible financial responsibilities, which is legal in the U.S. (where I’m from). What I would object to you is calling the child “it” which is not moral in any means, he/she is a human life that cannot defend ‘it’self against people that would end ‘it’s’ life before they are born. They are a human with unique DNA that no other human whoever existed has had. Thats a life right there with possibilities and a life that no one has a right to take away. Again, I’m not trying to make a moral claim, but I’m responding to the story as claimed by OP. I guess I let my morals slip, that’s my response
Riku_70X@reddit
That's fair. At this point we'd be arguing over general pro-life vs pro-choice and I don't think either of us is going to convince the other in that regard so we should probably just agree to end this debate here.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
The girl has absolutely no obligation whatsoever toward a child she didn't even want to have.
She went through labor rather than have an abortion for the sake of the father.
96363@reddit
She didn't leave it for him to raise. She didn't want the kid to exists. The father ASKED for the kid. There's a big difference between this and someone deciding 3-10 years into being a parent that they want to dip out.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
We’ll enter a moral discussion on abortion if we go any farther. I’d rather stick to the story that was presented, two people had sex (consensually I assume) the father wanted to keep the baby and she didn’t. Is she legally obligated to be in the child’s life? No, legally. As long as she provides support (financially) she’s off the hook. The same is for the man. Deadbeat dads are shamed in society and I personally believe rightfully so, it takes two people to consent to have sex, and both parties should be aware of the potential outcome if they’re not wearing protection. It’s a lot rarer when you see a deadbeat mom, because women have an inherent urge to provide for their child, raise them etc. But both should be treated the same. This fictional (?) woman in the story left her child and posted to reddit for sympathy and reassurance. I don’t think she should be in any way viewed as a hero or “tragic figure”. I’m not making a moral claim but my point is she shouldn’t be seen as good or upstanding morally. To each their own
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
Why should she even have to do that? She didn't want the child. Her husband assumed all responsibility of it, including financial.
Also,
"I'm not making a moral claim, but
Can't make ts up.
sadacal@reddit
Deadbeat dads come from a variety of circumstances. Most often the dad leaves after the child is born, like the common went out for milk stereotype. To conflate all of that together and compare it to a woman who actually did have to sacrifice to birth a child is just stupid. You have no idea the sacrifice your mother had to endure to give birth to your dumb ass.
SSL4U@reddit
can you not read, like at all?
she didn't leave the child to the other parent, she didn't want the child, that's it, that's literally it.
she didn't want the responsibility, father wanted it, she had the child that she didn't want and still doesn't want.
stop trying to one up the morals like a broken clock, she didn't dump the baby in a trash can.
JustMoreSadGirlShit@reddit
where did she run from responsibility exactly?
Conscious_Pass_1615@reddit
The story some 4chinner made up. Yep that checks out.
jaiden_roselvet@reddit
you do know there are fucked up reddit posts similar to anon's, right?
Conscious_Pass_1615@reddit
Sure, but why is anon so pissed?
jaiden_roselvet@reddit
I don't think he's pissed. he's more in shock and disbelief
Conscious_Pass_1615@reddit
Nah when he calls an underage girl a bitch for not ruining her life, it's pretty indicative of being pissed.
jaiden_roselvet@reddit
that's the way 4chan talks as far as I know. they use condescending words to refer to someone/something
Conscious_Pass_1615@reddit
Yeah I know, I still think anon should be able to get pregnant and give birth before he goes throwing the B word around.
spiritofporn@reddit
Nah, she's a bitch bro. Not even wanting to meet the child once to give it some closure? Lol.
A five minute meeting would've been enough to show the kid that its mother is a low-life, useless POS.
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
Why? She's not the mother of the child. The father decided to raise the child alone.
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
Ah, I didn't think of that, my bad.
Conscious_Pass_1615@reddit
I am upvoting this because it is genuinly funny. In a stupid way.
spiritofporn@reddit
Nah, people who have no morals aren't funny. More pathetic? I suppose I feel kinda bad for them. It's probably something neurological or psychological.
Conscious_Pass_1615@reddit
Okay definitely stupid.
spiritofporn@reddit
Whatever helps you sleep at night, dear.
SoupaMayo@reddit
New copypasta just dropped
spiritofporn@reddit
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XxhellbentxX@reddit
You know what's more fucked? Being forced into existence and then rejected by the ones who brought you into existence. Like that's a child that's living now. There is an inherent responsibility from both parents here. It's just morally repugnant to do that.
SatanicAtTheDisco@reddit
Lmao, if both the parents agreed that only one parent was going to be in the child’s life, then you would be wrong, Moral rights and “ought too’s” don’t do anything but force a person to be shitty to something they didn’t want in the first place. If one parent wanted an abortion, and the other said no I’ll take them, all you have to do is give birth, which you agree too. Then for 12 years after that had no contact with the person who complied with the ask, which is giving 8-10 months of your life to then have one of the most aggressive actions happen to a human body, then reach out suddenly with something like this, you have no moral obligation to the situation. That child is effectively not yours, this is no different than fathers who would rather pay child support and be no contact. When the mother suddenly decides at 14-15 that no contact is not enough. That child has lived a whole life without you. Any answers they will receive will never satisfy what the other parent has failed to give. If a child is raised without spite and/or resentment to the other person responsible, if a child is raised right, they won’t even know they’re missing their “father” or “mother”. I quoted there because the idea that your preteen/teen needs to meet the other half responsible for just birthing them completely shits on children who were raised by widows or fathers who lost their spouses to death or childbirth. Plenty of people are willing to step up as step parents and have done amazing raising children that aren’t theirs by blood.
sureyouknowurself@reddit
So if fathers don’t want the women to have the kid they should not have to pay child support?
new_KRIEG@reddit
Assuming that abortion is allowed, yes.
PixelSpy@reddit
Correct
sureyouknowurself@reddit
Based
Saliiim@reddit
She's not being asked to raise the child, the daughter just wants to meet her. It's incredibly selfish to not take a day out of your child free utopia to give a little girl some sense of closure.
new_KRIEG@reddit
Yeah, and what you expect the outcome to be?
She either treats the kid like shit and the kid has a shitty day and memory of her mother, or she treats the kid well and makes the rejection way worse for the daughter.
The father should have aligned that WAY earlier with the mother for when that day eventually came because when he insisted on having the kid as a solo parent, he should have known that he'd have one hell of a tough conversation down the road about the kid's mother.
PixelSpy@reddit
Literally nothing good could come from that for either party.
"So why did you leave?"
"Because I didnt want you"
Great convo
Blitz3733@reddit
the day redditors realise not everything is a choice and you owe responsibility to people is the day reddit will shut down for good. all i hear on this website are people who want to escape any and all kinds of social responsibility or personal responsibility.
how does one become so narcissistic that you would rather abort your own child or ignore it to every possible extent just for the discomfort of it even existing.
disgusting social rejects.
spiritofporn@reddit
She didn't have to raise it. But the kid wanted to meet her anyway, probably for some closure. People who can't do even that tiny thing for their own child aren't strictly speaking 'people'.
SoupaMayo@reddit
When your mother didn't want to raise you, you shouldn't meet her. No traumas would be healed for this, and new ones would come from this experience. One of my friend tried this, it's an awful experience. You meet your "mother", you think you can talk to her, and it's just a stranger who's polite and all but don't recognize you as part of her family. Now you have a face on the woman who don't want you in her life. She could be successful, she could be a crackhead. She could have kids that she love more than you ever be loved, she could be a lonely loser. but in the end, it was better when you didn't know.
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
That wouldn't actually help the kid. For real closure, it's best they never meet so she has as little attachment as possible so she can move on with life. Getting a firm "no" now means she doesn't have to wonder if her mom ever regretted leaving, there is no happy reunion waiting for her, and she knows that now.
-esperanto-@reddit
Yeah but being a piece of shit to a kid who just wants to innocently meet the person who birthed her is fucked up too
das_slash@reddit
Yeah, obligated to meet the child? no, massive asshole for that? yes
Diezelbub@reddit
At least have the spine to tell your kid "you dont want to meet me, I'm an asshole who doesnt want to meet you"
MinosML@reddit
...not meeting them is surely better than saying straight to their face 'I wanted to abort you so bad'...right?
Diezelbub@reddit
That sou ds like a meeting which isnt happening. Some kind of explanation for refusing a relationship or meet is better than nothing.
Limp-Temperature1783@reddit
Hard disagree. Kids are responsibility of parents, full stop. The idea itself is indefensible. If you didn't want the kid, you should have been using condoms or taking the pill, abortion is also an option in a lot of cases, but when you gave birth? That's a person. The person you are responsible for. Abandoning them is just screwing the fuck out of their life for no reason but selfishness. The daughter simply wanted to see her mother. What's forceful about it? Doesn't kid deserve at least this much? Or are we defending complete irresponsibility now? Because that is coming at the expense of people who didn't deserve to get screwed over. Nothing is fair about this shit.
ExtremeGift@reddit
Tbh, you don't want that woman to be near the kid, for the kid's sake
jonatna@reddit
Yeah. I wouldn't want my kid to expect anything from a parent who doesn't want to be a parent. It would just disappoint them.
DuhTocqueville@reddit
I mean, I feel like I added value as an uncle before I wanted and had kids of my own.
JustMoreSadGirlShit@reddit
that feels so deeply fucked up to me.
new_KRIEG@reddit
Yeah, but the father is also a dumbass.
"Hi, it's John. Our kid wants to meet you, how do you feel about it?"
One phone call and it's done. Fuck, should have gotten that straight years before it became an issue for the sake of the kid.
metal079@reddit
They're gonna be disappointed either way, their mom doesn't want them, that's gonna fuck up anyone
Fuuufi@reddit
If they have a great dad that loves them and a support network around that, they’re still a lot better off than many other people.
yaxis50@reddit
Simple Reddit test. Reverse the gender roles, and everyone will care about the children and shame the man for not being accountable.
Next-Use6943@reddit
What did she do wrong? She agreed to birth the kid for him???? She doesn't want to do anything with the kid, as per the agreement?
BadHairDayToday@reddit
You're insane. She didn't birth the child for him. She got pregnant by accident and he decided to take on the burden of raising the child. Quite different. And it's just depraved to not even acknowledge your child's existence. The kid just wants to meet her biological mother, how can you be so self-obsessed to not even manage such a minimal interaction.
Also even though he offered to raise the child obviously he was hoping that she would come around or help in some way. To me it is nuts to just point at some agreement made when you were both 19 and in a very difficult situation and use it as if it's some sort of commandment that absolves you of all responsibility forever.
Empero6@reddit
Dude only wanted the baby to baby trap the lady. He wasn’t doing it because he cared about the kid.
cringy_dude@reddit
How tf do you know
Empero6@reddit
It’s a pretty old Reddit post on there and the comments were calling out the inaccuracies from the OP. The OP ended up letting the mask slip a bit and it all went downhill from there. I’m not sure why this 4chan post is trying to paint it in a different picture though.
lonevolff@reddit
Child apologists have decided she's evil
HANDCRAFTEDD_@reddit
What is there to apologize for on behalf of children in general?
new_KRIEG@reddit
A lot, have you ever met one?
GreatGigInTheSky855@reddit
The thing she did wrong was being a piece of shit to the kid and then running to Reddit for validation. It’s loser behavior.
It’s fine to not want to be a mother. It’s fine to let the father raise this child alone as per the agreement. It’s not fine to reject a child because she can’t accept the consequences of not using a condom/birth control. Many people who have grown up with at least one biological parent missing from their life wish they could at least meet their parent(s).
Comeino@reddit
Kid would literally not exist if it was her choice. It's delusional to imagine every woman as a wanna be mother. The hell do you expect will happen? Her instincts will suddenly kick in upon seeing the kid and she will regret all the time she missed spending with it and they live happily ever after? Is that your fantasy?
I have a living father that I have disowned for being a stereotypical rich narcissist POS and my mom is dead. Shortly before she died she apologized for me and my little sister, that if only she knew how hard and unfair our lives would be she would have never had us and that she was sorry. Not every parent deserves to have a relationship with their kid and not for every kid will the parent be a positive influence on their life. I would rather have a dead dad than the one I barely had growing up.
You have lived an extremely privileged life to have such out of touch ideas.
SuperTnT6@reddit
I mean personally I hate deadbeat parents whether they be fathers or mothers. She either should have stood her ground and had an abortion or not have gotten in that position in the first place. I extend that same discontent to a father who knocks up a woman than abandons her.
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
Damn good thing she's not a parent, then.
She was gonna, but agreed with the father to have the child and grant him sole custody. They had an agreement and now he's pissed that she's keeping to that agreement.
Except the equivalent would be if a couple gets pregnant, and the father wants an abortion, but the mother agrees to raise the child alone, without him. At that point it's not "abandoning" them. He no longer has the responsibility, because she rejected his attempt to take responsibility.
If one partner wants an abortion, but the other partner doesn't want one, and an agreement is made on either partner to raise the child alone, the other partner no longer has an obligation to be any part of it. At that point it's more comparable to a surrogate thing or sperm donor thing.
Next-Use6943@reddit
Consequences of what? That's the most anti women rhetoric I've seen. We have modern medicine,we have abortions, the consequences are not what women hating online incels think.
Empero6@reddit
Oh lol I remember this post. The dad was a piece of shit that was trying to baby trap the lady.
TheCreepWhoCrept@reddit
Link to the post in question?
Trigger_Fox@reddit
Ironically encouraging the clearly shit mother to go no contact with the kid is the best piece of advice.. for the kid, but still
Orcasareglorious@reddit
“Clearly shit mother”? She clearly didn’t want to have a child and gave birth anyway? Is it possible to satisfy people like you?
ForeverRollingOnes@reddit
Biologically a mother, practically not.
Nah man, believe me when I say an unwilling mother is not a mother you want.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
yeah, thats what i'm saying. I might have worded it in a weird way, but i was commenting on ironically the shitty advice the redditors were giving the mom turn out to be unintentionally really good advice since she won't be bothering her kid
ForeverRollingOnes@reddit
Ah, fair, think I got confused by the wording.
Trigger_Fox@reddit
No worries, i really did word it in a weird way lol
Walok25@reddit
It’s actually poetry to see people in the comments of this post defending the mother
Orcasareglorious@reddit
She clearly didn’t want the child, gave birth anyway and you still have something to say? If she’s had an abortion, you’d complain all the same.
BadHairDayToday@reddit
I want to see that post for myself. I notice this 4chan post is from april '19 though, that's ooold
koreiryuu@reddit
Never will understand the sarcastic mocking "I have PTSD from it"
Being pregnant and birthing a child is literally one of the most physically traumatic experiences a person can experience. Not everyone is emotionally or mentally equipped to deal with it. It is 1000 times more selfish convincing someone to birth a child they don't want than it could ever be to terminate that pregnancy.
Northerndust@reddit
POTENTIALLY traumatic.
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
You're squeezing a melon sized object out of a marble sized hole. That's (physically) traumatic as fuck.
Imagine the biggest, most painful shit you've ever taken and now quadruple it in size.
Northerndust@reddit
Thought you where talking about emotional trauma.
Well physical trauma is everything, a light bruise is physical trauma. It doesnt really say anything
zrezzif@reddit
If she actually have a diagnosed PTSD from teenage pregnancy and the subsequent pressure to keep it then why are you trying to minimise it? After all, it is genuinely a fact that a majority of teenage pregnancy in the us (under 18 mother) have a father that is 18 or above, which means a majority of teenage pregnancy in the US involves some level of grooming. Do you think that the PTSD is unlikely???
Northerndust@reddit
We are jumping back and fourth between talking generally generally and talking about the specific case.
Generally its not automatically emotional traumatic.
In this case it would be traumatic.
anwaralexander@reddit
I used to follow that reddit page, something is wrong with that crowd so unfollowed.
Zelcki@reddit
Should have gone to r/kenshi or sth and talk about the game
OcelotSlight7892@reddit
This is dated yesterday yet ive seen this post word for word dozens of times
hypnoticnexus424@reddit
Aren't like 99% of those post straight up fake though?
CMCH_oyom@reddit
That one immediately jumped out as fake. It's one of the grievances of the incel/mgtow crowd that women can choose to have an abortion but men have no say and have to raise the child or be on the hook for child support if the woman has the child. This is just some fantasist reversing the roles
HazelCheese@reddit
It's a real post from like 10 years back but the 4chan thing has reframed it.
In the original the father was some loser piece of shit who she broke up with before she realised she was pregnant.
He begged her to keep it thinking it would baby trap her and force her to be with him. He thought having the baby would be like a movie or TV show where the woman magically falls in love with the baby.
She didn't and he got mad and acted like a sulking child and ended up with a baby who frankly he probably ended up hating.
The 12 yr bit wasn't in the post that I remember so I think it was made up for 4chan.
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
Nothing ever happens
BigBootyBuff@reddit
If you genuinely believe the shit on subreddits like AITA, TIFU or relationship advice, especially now that a good chunk are clearly made with AI, then... You're right and clearly very smart. Smart enough to know a good deal when you see one, like this bridge I'm willing to part ways with.
The_Junton@reddit
I don't think she should have to provide for the kid since the guy said he would take responsibility. But you should atleast meet with them, it would probably fuck a 12 year old up a bit if they found out their mother won't even tolerate meeting them one time.
And posing it on reddit for "sympathy" or "validation" isn't something normal people should do about private things like this
JustaguynamedTheo@reddit
That child is now 19, damn.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
Reddit gives peace to the scumbags of society who think they’re morally virtuous because other scumbags agree with them. Also, I’m gay
DonutGuy2659@reddit
Bro threw in a fun fact at the for us
NotTheHeadHancho@reddit
But are you fake?
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
I’m working on that
CarlosimoDangerosimo@reddit
I'm here to TOP you if you want ;)
towlie_lord@reddit
This should be top comment!
Eggss92@reddit
Nice I'm loose
bk2mummy4u@reddit
Me when the lived human experience is different for everyone.
FunnyMoney1984@reddit
Conservatives are the worst. There is no pleasing them. Have the abortion, don't have the abortion. They will find a way to get mad.
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
Difficulty Challenge: Reddit
Prestigious_Slice709@reddit
This was political before anyone mentioned conservatives or liberals
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
Are you blind? It's about baby momma drama. Nothing political was said. No one is the story said they what their party alignment was. Nothing mentioned where it happened.
Just chill out with the politics brother.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
you're being obtuse.
this is definitely political.
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
How?
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
because abortion and family obligations are a political topic in the modern political landscape
i860@reddit
"A involves B, therefore B must involve A!"
Nice converse error, but to you everything is political.
FinGamer678Nikoboi@reddit
No it's more like "A is B, therefore A is B."
"Abortion is political, therefore abortion is political."
It's not rocket science.
Thatguypal6942069@reddit
Everything is political dipshit
i860@reddit
More converse error from the 90iq class. Go take your meds.
Happy_Ocelot_4945@reddit
That's a very flimsy reach of logic to justify talking about politics. We don't even know what nation they are in. That alone eliminates any starting point for abortion rights or cultural expectations.
OOP posted the plot of a jerry springer episode and you're trying to turn it political
BlackAxemRanger@reddit
You can't try and take it away from them. It's like their favorite toy and they will be mad if you ask them to give it up. The minute they say "everything is political", reason is beyond them and you should not engage
Dmannmann@reddit
Reddit as a whole loves breaking up relationships and isolating people. It's miserable people cheering for others to be lonely too.
kpingvin@reddit
AITA is 90% AI generated ragebait.
toshineon2@reddit
The anti-children people don't wanna live in a world where they have their way, the late stages of their lives would be absolutely horrific.
FandomTrashForLife@reddit
Anon is insane for thinking a kid should be forced to give birth and that it’s reasonable for her (hopefully) teenage boyfriend to raise a child
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
What if the plot twist was that the dad was 26 at the time 😂
FandomTrashForLife@reddit
What do you think? Idk what reaction you want to this aside from the obvious.
Mysterious_Cry41@reddit
That is probably just made up bullshit anyways. Fuck them kids either way though.
--Markus@reddit
Reddit has always been worse than /pol/
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
Idk I mean she seems consistent that she never wanted the kid. It's shitty that she's like that but the dad wanted to bring someone into this world under those circumstances, so it is what it is. Hopefully he's a good father and hopefully the daughter can heal from that lack of mother. If that woman is like 30 now and still doesn't want to raise a family then she's not ever going to be a good influence for a child.
CagedKage@reddit
AITA is faker than Kim Kardashian’s ass anyway
DevSiarid@reddit
That women sounds damaged it Isn’t safe for the child or the biological mother to meet. Something aren’t meant to happen.
Parking_Flounder_943@reddit
She DID say she wanted to abort it..
zqmbgn@reddit
someone has the link to the post Anon's referring to?
King_Of_Tangerines@reddit
The karma system on reddit does do a good job of making you feel rewarded and satisfied if you produce entertaining, good content. But on the other hand, it also breeds very unhealthy amounts of group thinking, to the point where it forms a sharp, tight circle that will allow no other opinion in.
vverbov_22@reddit
I mean, she wanted an abortion and didn't want the child, while the father said he'll raise the child. That sounds like they agreed on who wants what? Generally I'd say she should've gotten an abortion and child shouldn't be born without consent from both parties
Ok_Addendum2980@reddit
I never understood how people could hate children when you were once a kid yourselves. It makes no sense.
Carbonatite@reddit
I mean I'll be a corpse one day too, doesn't mean I want one in my house.
Ok_Addendum2980@reddit
Yeah, but you aren't yet. When a kid says that he hates adults you can get where he's at because he hasn't turned into a adult yet and doesn't understand them. But whereas, if an adult says that he hates kids, he's already been a kid and understands what it's like to be a kid.
agirlhas_no_name@reddit
I don't like kids because I have very vivid memories of being a child and children are tiny sociopaths.
Carbonatite@reddit
I mean I don't hate kids, I just don't particularly want one of my own either lol.
Umak30@reddit
Well I know it's an anecdote but I know one person like that.
He grew up as a normal boy. He wasn't popular, he wasn't bullied, he had 2 friends ( I was one of them ). He didn't partake in any extracurricular activities, and went straight home after school to get on PC and played videogames all day or browsed the internet ( at first 9gag then Reddit, no clue what now ). His grades were average, he wasn't bad in any subject and he wasn't good in any either ( except Math ).
He grew up in a Middle Class family, 1 sibling ( who didn't share his interest ) in a house and went to a good school.
He became very hateful. He became an anti-natalist and a socialist/communist type of Redditor. Loved his sphere of Leftist Content creators and streamers, adopted their talking points as gospel and acted like a know-it-all and moralized constantly. He started to criticize everyone in his life, so I cut him out of my life ( we used to play videogames together, shared memes and had fun ). He also got controlling, and last I heard he banned our other childhood friend ( whom I barely spoke to after school, but still had contact ) from their Discord because he dared to say he is trying to get his girlfriend pregnant.
I think it's just sad to be honest. He had a good life, good conditions and just turned into this weird hateful guy. I don't think he has any empathy or capacity to think from different viewpoints.. So it's only natural that such a person would hate children, since they can't think like "I was a child once" because "they are not a child right now". So they lose all ability to empathize.
TheRedditK9@reddit
I don’t necessarily get it either but it’s better to at least be honest about not liking kids than trying to keep some sort of facade. It’s better for the kid to have no mother than a neglectful or potentially abusive one.
DeathsStarEclipse@reddit
Reddits obsession with being part of the anti natalism club is so weird.
Gonna be some regretful people in the future. Easy to deny something while you can still change your mind and have it
Skizordrone@reddit
Yeah, most subs are just an echo chamber filled with some of the most moronic people you can find. This is why I typically only interact with small niche gaming communities.
EatAllTheShiny@reddit
I think reddit probably has the single largest antinatalist community on the entire internet.
BrunesOvrBrauns@reddit
For real tho if she doesn't want to meet her then it's a terrible idea to force her, don't you think?
einsatzpoopen@reddit
No
Chodemeister696@reddit
Yeah guys give him down votes. Feed the troll!
einsatzpoopen@reddit
50 sterilized Redditors so far
ActivelyAnxious@reddit
Welp, time to be down voted into oblivion then, thems the rules
einsatzpoopen@reddit
It’s ok my babies are all alive 🤪❤️
BottomContributor@reddit
Reddit has unfortunately become a cesspool for far left opinions
ForeverRollingOnes@reddit
"I don't want to meet this person."
Omg you far leftie
BottomContributor@reddit
And you've proven my point. The sad thing is that you're so oblivious that you don't see it
ForeverRollingOnes@reddit
Maybe your point is just ass
BottomContributor@reddit
Nah, just you
ForeverRollingOnes@reddit
Deep bro
DripRoast@reddit
It's amazing how riled up people here are getting about an anecdote that is several layers of hearsay deep.
It's like everyone has a preselected axe to grind, and all we crowd in for a chance at the grinding wheel the moment we hear a provocative keyword uttered. We're no better than the audience at a live taping of Jerry Springer at this point.
SnikiAsian@reddit
Anon is the one who is highly regarded here because he is missing the crucial detail of the child being around 12.
Coming to terms with the fact that one of your parents did not and do not want you is hard enough for full grown adults to come to terms with.
If the mom somehow magically decides to love her daughter after seeing her face to face? Good, but life isn't magic and if the mom decides to reject her then it will be difficult for the 12 year old child to understand the complexity and gravity if the situation and may even be traumatized as a result.
If they are to meet, it needs to happen when the daughter is old enough to fully understand the reason and meaning of the decision. In fact, it is the father who is being irresponsible here by trying to organize a meeting so early.
Tonberry_Cheesecake@reddit
You fuckin dorks sure love to hate reddit, on reddit.
PlzBuffCenturion@reddit
So in other words someone who was definitely not ready to have kids, was convinced to have one against her better judgment(before she was even legally an adult), leading to a lot of avoidable pain and suffering for everyone involved? Yea I wonder why people are taking her side
captain_dunno@reddit
Reddit is stupid>!, I say on Reddit!<.
JeffyGoldblumsPen_15@reddit
You see anon around 2012 reddit became Tumblr 2.0. All because a bunch of goofballs decided to be inclusive. Now we're at about Tumblr 4.0. The world didn't end on 2012 but leddit did.
JackHofterman@reddit
reddit also supports Israel
Reptilesblade@reddit
Many such cases.
treewizard13@reddit
This comment section is a cesspit
TrollerCoasterWoo@reddit
W for the kid
spaniel_rage@reddit
The most important thing to know about AITA is that, like most of the posts here, these are works of creative writing anyway.
BlackwoodJohnson@reddit
AITA is a woman subreddit anyways.
QFB-procrastinator@reddit
Anon goes to a dump and is surprised to find it full of garbage. Just like on 4chan, you need to find the right community.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
While I’d have to see what anon is talking about, as I don’t trust what anyone on 4chan or Reddit say, if, and I mean IF, what anon says is true, then morally speaking, the mother is neutral.
As for the people cheering her on, there is a growing sentiment of anti-natalism online, as seen with the way people reacted to Pragmata.
Why is this happening? I don’t know. When economies get worse, people tend to have more kids in the hopes their kids can bring in a collective livable amount, so that can’t be the reason.
Perhaps it’s self-loathing, mixed with the eternal desire of all online asshats: To appear moral. Not to actually BE moral, just to appear to be so.
downvoteaway_idgaf7@reddit
"Fascinating." - Spock
How I feel browsing most of Reddit. What a collection of misfit toys this place can be. The hive mind and echo chamber cheering each other on in the shallow end of the pool who have lost complete touch with the actual world is both amusing and alarming
ResponsibleStep8725@reddit
He went to the worst subreddit ever to exist lol.
Tortoise_Knight@reddit
Some spaces here on Reddit are very morally bankrupt. The aggressively childfree sphere is one such example. Not wanting kids is fine, actively hating on children and people that do want/have children is ghoulish behavior of the highest order.
SpaceBug176@reddit
/>Decide to check out 4chan to see if its as bad as everyone says.
/>Go to a random board.
/>First post I see is loli.
What the fuck?
ognahc@reddit
Well she did her side of the deal now he has to do his
tuckfyler1@reddit
reddit is also the site where 99% of the users think pregnant mothers killing their babies because its "hard" is morally correct
-SandorClegane-@reddit
986754321@reddit
Pregnancy (especially unwanted) at 17 can indeed be traumatic
She indeed doesn't owe her anything just because she's "her own child", considering the arrangement with the father. I think it would be better to meet the daughter to make her feel better, but it's not that big of a deal and their only connection is genes. I doubt that anyone suggesting this was "downvoted into oblivion".
adamcmorrison@reddit
Everything you said makes sense until the last sentence where you went full regard.
986754321@reddit
Hm, I don't spend any time in those subs tbf. But I think you could avoid it with favorable wording to OP.
hiddenbyrags98@reddit
What you said is technically correct but posing on reddit for sympathy or worse yet “karma” nullifies her story because seeking validation on reddit is gay and is indicative of being a real life loser
einsatzpoopen@reddit
Classic Reddit
Exhil69@reddit
☕️
chomusuke_cat@reddit
Yeah.