Yeah it is I may try citizens advice or shelter like you said. I really hope there's some sort of workaround because if there's not i have no other option other than getting a privately rented house (that's if a landlord was willing to see changes in their hiuse and I'd have to find a job first...)
i hope you get it sorted soon i'm going to need supported accomodation one day so i can imagine how it must feel to need it now and be told it's not an option, i saw another comment about asking to be assessed under the care act, that also seems like a good idea and c.a.b and places similar should be able to support with that
apparently social services has a budget that doesn't count in an nrpf, i'm not sure about the legitimacy of it but might be worth an ask.
Talk to a doctor. If the doctor says you have a disabilty, is willing to put that in writing, and has tests to back it up, then apply for disability. The social worker is not a doctor.
The social worker is not a doctor no, but doctors can only do so much when up against the home office.
The only angle they have if is someone were to go back to their original country that treatment wouldn't be avialable there and/or its a condition that is a public health issue from what has happened at work and how hard our doctors fight to get our patients care.
This isn't about disability payments and nrpf status means they can't get disability payments: https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information-and-resources/rights-and-entitlements/benefits-and-housing-public-funds/benefits/benefits-that-are-public-funds#guide-content
Have you asked your social worker to explain why they say you can't access it? There must be some reason why they think you're not eligible, perhaps if they can explain that to you either you'll understand why it's not an option or perhaps your social worker might realise they are mistaken!
"Supported Living placements often require the local authority to fund part of the support, so your NRPF status can affect this.
If you want the local authority to be able to fund your Supported Living, you would need to apply to the Home Office to remove the NRPF condition."
According my social worker this is the reason but I don't want to go through lifting the nrpf because I think it might affect my future ILR application
I’m a full time wheelchair user with a number of disabilities and whilst I don’t know the answer- I will say I’ve found and had many SW who have no idea on many things to do with social care. I would suggest booking to see your local CAB/ citizens advice bureau for advice.
> When an adult cannot access benefits and housing assistance due to having no recourse to public funds, their local council may have a duty to provide accommodation and financial support if the adult is assessed as having care and support needs by social services.
> Social services’ support is not classed as a public fund for immigration purposes and can be accessed by a person who is subject to the ‘no recourse to public funds’ (NRPF) condition.
However, it does say "may" in that statement and if you start digging through the more detailed guidance on that website it doesn't sound straight forwards yes or no, more that you should be assessed against the criteria of the Care Act. I think you mind need some expert help to navigate this.
What you're entitled to and what's available in your local area can be massively different. I used to work in the admin side of social care and the biggest headaches social workers had was when they felt they had to not quite tell the truth to service users. The spoken bit; "Oh you can't access that", the unspoken bit; because we don't have any facilities in the local authority providing it/it's so oversubscribed I don't want to add to my paperwork for something you'll never get.
The best thing you can do is your own research and get a social worker who is willing to tell you the truth and work with you. (They burn out super quick and never end up in management).
NRPF is no resource to public funds. Is that the case here?
NRPF people do have some rights to supported accommodation in some circumstances, but in most parts of the UK there just isn't any available to give. Waiting lists are very long and social care doesn't have the money to create more places.
With the Care Act, much of it is now seen as aspirational targets rather than obligation to deliver to that standard.
The TLDR, your social worker is likely correct, but you can always appeal against her decision.
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UrbanAlly@reddit
Supported living is for the most damaged people in society , think people who have a significant learning disability.
It sounds like you can live in an ordinary tenancy with a level of support in which case that is what the outcome of the assessment will be.
Sarahomdtif@reddit
is nrpf an immigration thing? because google says you should ask an immigration specialist but i wasn't sure if that was correct for your situation.
it does look like an immigration specialist, the c.a.b or shelter might have ways around it though so worth giving them a ring, good luck
Chill_Vibes224@reddit (OP)
Yeah it is I may try citizens advice or shelter like you said. I really hope there's some sort of workaround because if there's not i have no other option other than getting a privately rented house (that's if a landlord was willing to see changes in their hiuse and I'd have to find a job first...)
dbxp@reddit
Do you have right to rent?
Chill_Vibes224@reddit (OP)
Yeah I do
Sarahomdtif@reddit
i hope you get it sorted soon i'm going to need supported accomodation one day so i can imagine how it must feel to need it now and be told it's not an option, i saw another comment about asking to be assessed under the care act, that also seems like a good idea and c.a.b and places similar should be able to support with that
apparently social services has a budget that doesn't count in an nrpf, i'm not sure about the legitimacy of it but might be worth an ask.
Fearless_Tip5316@reddit
Talk to a doctor. If the doctor says you have a disabilty, is willing to put that in writing, and has tests to back it up, then apply for disability. The social worker is not a doctor.
Silent_Doubt3672@reddit
The social worker is not a doctor no, but doctors can only do so much when up against the home office.
The only angle they have if is someone were to go back to their original country that treatment wouldn't be avialable there and/or its a condition that is a public health issue from what has happened at work and how hard our doctors fight to get our patients care.
dbxp@reddit
This isn't about disability payments and nrpf status means they can't get disability payments: https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information-and-resources/rights-and-entitlements/benefits-and-housing-public-funds/benefits/benefits-that-are-public-funds#guide-content
MzHmmz@reddit
Have you asked your social worker to explain why they say you can't access it? There must be some reason why they think you're not eligible, perhaps if they can explain that to you either you'll understand why it's not an option or perhaps your social worker might realise they are mistaken!
Chill_Vibes224@reddit (OP)
"Supported Living placements often require the local authority to fund part of the support, so your NRPF status can affect this.
If you want the local authority to be able to fund your Supported Living, you would need to apply to the Home Office to remove the NRPF condition."
According my social worker this is the reason but I don't want to go through lifting the nrpf because I think it might affect my future ILR application
auntie_eggma@reddit
You may need to wait until you have ILR to be able to access this help. I'm not sure.
auntie_eggma@reddit
Did they say why or explain anything about the discrepancy between what you read online and their own information?
Is there some detail that changes things?
Chill_Vibes224@reddit (OP)
Yes he said this: "Supported Living placements often require the local authority to fund part of the support, so your NRPF status can affect this.
If you want the local authority to be able to fund your Supported Living, you would need to apply to the Home Office to remove the NRPF condition."
chroniccomplexcase@reddit
I’m a full time wheelchair user with a number of disabilities and whilst I don’t know the answer- I will say I’ve found and had many SW who have no idea on many things to do with social care. I would suggest booking to see your local CAB/ citizens advice bureau for advice.
No_Medium_648@reddit
NPFR? Doesn't that mean you can't get social housing? Sorry if I've mistaken the acronym.
ChrisWilding@reddit
https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk says this -
> When an adult cannot access benefits and housing assistance due to having no recourse to public funds, their local council may have a duty to provide accommodation and financial support if the adult is assessed as having care and support needs by social services.
> Social services’ support is not classed as a public fund for immigration purposes and can be accessed by a person who is subject to the ‘no recourse to public funds’ (NRPF) condition.
However, it does say "may" in that statement and if you start digging through the more detailed guidance on that website it doesn't sound straight forwards yes or no, more that you should be assessed against the criteria of the Care Act. I think you mind need some expert help to navigate this.
Wide-Challenge-4874@reddit
What you're entitled to and what's available in your local area can be massively different. I used to work in the admin side of social care and the biggest headaches social workers had was when they felt they had to not quite tell the truth to service users. The spoken bit; "Oh you can't access that", the unspoken bit; because we don't have any facilities in the local authority providing it/it's so oversubscribed I don't want to add to my paperwork for something you'll never get. The best thing you can do is your own research and get a social worker who is willing to tell you the truth and work with you. (They burn out super quick and never end up in management).
Imaginary_Finger7844@reddit
I'd go through the doctor and push for a referral.
FreeBogwoppits@reddit
NRPF is no resource to public funds. Is that the case here?
NRPF people do have some rights to supported accommodation in some circumstances, but in most parts of the UK there just isn't any available to give. Waiting lists are very long and social care doesn't have the money to create more places.
With the Care Act, much of it is now seen as aspirational targets rather than obligation to deliver to that standard.
The TLDR, your social worker is likely correct, but you can always appeal against her decision.
SamVimesBootTheory@reddit
You might want to pop over to r/DWPhelp or r/BenefitsAdviceUK
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