RIP Spirit airlines
Posted by sm3xym3xican@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 343 comments
Hopefully everyone affected won’t be unemployed for too long
Posted by sm3xym3xican@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 343 comments
Hopefully everyone affected won’t be unemployed for too long
m71nu@reddit
So at 0300, all planes are uninsured and therefore not licensed to fly. There are probably not many in the air at 0300 anyway. Still, they will have planes and crew scattered about, and people holding tickets to return home. How is this going to be handled?
The Thomas Cook bankruptcy in the UK was a major logistical operation, with the government actually leasing the planes from the administrators to repatriate stranded passengers.
No-Suggestion-9459@reddit
This is America, not a first world country.
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Dancin-Ted-Danson@reddit
you have no idea how well you have it
No-Suggestion-9459@reddit
Sure, you can do worse than America. But you can do so much better it's not even funny.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Go spend some time in a real third world country, then come back and try this dumb reddit circlejerk.
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Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
You have no idea how much better everything could be.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
If you paid by credit card, you can do a charge back... Otherwise, you become a creditor to the airline... Probably will never see anything.
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
It sucks, a Spirit pilot lived in a buiding I managed last year and their pay wasn't too shabby. Hope DL picks them up fast. Planes too.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
He will not be out of work very long. There is a lot of demand for Airbus certified pilots.... He may have to take a pay cut, but the pay will still be quite good. He is not going to be eating cat food.
lovestobitch-@reddit
Have you seen the price of some 3ounce cat food lately? Luckily my two won’t touch the supposedly good quality stuff and only eat cheap ass friskies.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
Friskies is not that bad... While it does contain some fillers (rice, corn, etc)... It is well fortified with good levels of vitamins and minerals. If your cats are not rejecting it for any reason, it will keep them healthy.
Dude_man79@reddit
So no more meowing on guard comm?
SeaPhile206@reddit
But I still can though right?
t-poke@reddit
As long as you don’t meow on guard
PhilxBefore@reddit
Do you love chicken?
Do you love liver?
BRNDC10@reddit
Meow Mix, Meow Mix please deliver!
vgacolor@reddit
Fancy feast for you, buddy! Nothing but the best.
ARottenPear@reddit
Other airlines don't care what type ratings you have for the most part. Every airline in the US is going to put you through an entire training program, regardless of what your experience is. Also, your past experience has nothing to do with what you get to fly when you switch airlines.
stulogic@reddit
Not in this economy anyway. He can probably afford ramen though.
Navydevildoc@reddit
The official statement from the Company said they are automatically processing refunds right now for anyone who had a ticket bought directly from Spirit back to the original form of payment.
AddlePatedBadger@reddit
You'll be ghosted by Spirit.
HereToDoThingz@reddit
Not true but I really enjoyed you doubling down for him but couldn’t comment without pointing out this is factually incorrect. All flights that have been paid for are going others will be diverted to other airlines or refunded. It that’s all already happened. Last flight 28 minutes ago. Rest in spirit.
UNC_Samurai@reddit
Can someone ask the tower for a number to find this person a sense of humor?
sasheenka@reddit
I think the person you replied to just wanted to use the pun.
AddlePatedBadger@reddit
✅️
DiosMIO_Limon@reddit
Normally I'd say you'd have to pay for that checked comment, but in light of this news I'll let it slide.
TeslasAndComicbooks@reddit
Ghost of Spirit’s Past
Hammerjaws@reddit
Spirits final laugh
m71nu@reddit
For most the money paid for the trip will not be the problem. Having scheduled to get home today and not have a flight, not have a hotel, that is a problem. And will cost more to solve than the money lost on the ticket.
captainhaddock@reddit
When Canada 3000 went bankrupt overnight, my in-laws were stranded in Fiji and had to arrange their own way home.
PhilxBefore@reddit
Some say they are still walking home to this day.
BoysLinuses@reddit
That's what travel insurance is for. If you didn't buy travel insurance, this is the risk you accepted when you made that decision.
rohepey@reddit
Made around 300 international trips in the last 20 years, had travel insurance literally for TWO of them, one being to the US (because of almost no public healthchare there and outrageous costs of private healthcare), and the other one because employer bought it. Not once did my carrier go under just before my flight. I'm sure I've saved 1000s.
Swastik496@reddit
downvoted for being right lmao.
I never buy travel insurance but I also know what i’m getting into when I make that decision and have a patchwork of other policies and benefits that make it the right choice for me
14Pleiadians@reddit
I shouldn't need to buy "dont get exit scammed" insurance for any purchase, especially something highly regulated like a flight.
biggsteve81@reddit
If you ever buy a cruise travel insurance that covers carrier default is even more important. And don't buy the insurance the cruise line offers at checkout, get your own separate policy.
pholling@reddit
Lots of travel insurance excludes scheduled carrier failures now, so read the fine print. But yes this is in theory one of the reasons to have it.
Apexnanoman@reddit
What I'm hearing is I'm going to get a free jet!
imadeapoopie@reddit
Not can, Should! The airline's acquirer and banks are expecting this. Don't be the last in line.
Champlainmeri@reddit
Steve Lookner started covering this on Agenda Free TV about midnight EST. Spirit is refunding customers both credit and debit cards.
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
Go rip off a fan blade from a neo engine. Call it good.
Certified-T-Rex@reddit
My $50 flight to Vegas 😭
Im_100percent_human@reddit
The good news for you is there is a lot of competition for flights to Vegas.... You will pay a little more, but your vacation (or non-vacation) will not be ruined.
book81able@reddit
Last flight landed just 3 minutes ago in Dallas. That’s a wrap
mbashs@reddit
No more spirit passengers raging videos? 😭
nixonbeach@reddit
There should be some new ones for the next few days as unaware customers arrive to airports right??
t-poke@reddit
People are going to be getting off their cruises in Florida over the next few days unaware they don’t have a flight home.
Gonna make for fun times at the airport.
yeticoffeefarts@reddit
No. They’ll just be raging on Frontier now.
Tratix@reddit
Red-Truck-Steam@reddit
They should prepare the bar cart and stewardess. The horde is coming.
fritz_76@reddit
frontier needs to merge with waffle house
Allaplgy@reddit
I'm seeing it basically like a bus or subway. Grab handles for standing room. No tickets, just a fare at boarding. Groups of kids doing breakdance routines for tips. Some guy sleeping under newspapers in the back corner for the last few flights.
qrpc@reddit
Luftwaffle?
Allaplgy@reddit
I openly chuckled.
odinsen251a@reddit
Shit I almost spit out my coffee.
Allaplgy@reddit
I want some butts!
antariusz@reddit
The Atlanta to Las Vegas flight will be lit.
Red-Truck-Steam@reddit
Combine Waffle House lingo and aviation lingo. One step closer to paradise.
Bdowns_770@reddit
I don’t think I want my flight smothered, covered, & chunked.
Sivalon@reddit
Coward.
PercentageOk6120@reddit
I made the mistake of flying Frontier a few weeks ago. I figured it couldn’t be that bad. Never again.
andres57@reddit
Was Spitit worse than Frontier? Because I tried once Frontier and it made RyanAir look classy
erroneousbosh@reddit
Ryanair's flights to Austria are operated as Lauda Air which is still Ryanair but feels a bit "politer" somehow.
antariusz@reddit
I've flown both regularly for most of my life (I'd rather save 200 on airfare and spend 200 more on my actual vacation) . Frontier used to be significantly better 20 years ago (better service, more comfortable seating, etc). But roughly about 10 years ago they became roughly equal (hard plastic seats with no leg room) And they've been equivalent ever since.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Same level of shit.
Lost-Actuary-2395@reddit
I might be the rare breed that actually liked ryanair.
For 16£ from Manchester to vienna it is the definition of "you get what you pay for"
My train to the airport costed way more.
Electrical-Spring-89@reddit
Southwest flights might be a bit spicier now too.
Prior-attempt-fail@reddit
Southwest has priced themselves out of the discount market
fly_awayyy@reddit
No they’re gonna show up to the airport and still rage lol
SkyTrucker@reddit
If you're crew, you're on your own. I have a guy on my flight from spirit. Went to sleep as a captain. Woke up unemployed. Rode the jump seat home. He's filling out job apps this weekend.
kgb4187@reddit
From what I remember Thomas Cook was a charter airline that dropped people off at a vacation spot. Over half a million British people stuck in countries without regular scheduled service is a whole lot different than a couple thousand passengers in the middle of a well serviced network. Airlines who get passengers back home will have a lot of good PR and I'm sure the employees would be taken care of since at the end of the day professional courtesy is still a thing.
rohepey@reddit
It was all because of the weather.
If not the British weather, we'd all be holidaying in the UK.
ywgflyer@reddit
Happened with Monarch, too.
JoJack82@reddit
The passengers who still hold a ticket need to find their own way home. Spirit did say that they would be issuing refunds for those tickets though.
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
They did give em like a 9 month warning
Luv2Trav@reddit
Exactly….employees should have seen this coming for a long time
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
And customers.
SendingAFaxToBerlin@reddit
No one booking flights on spirit is keeping in tune with the corporate news be serious
Luv2Trav@reddit
Yep….but many kept their blinders on
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
Welp, I hope they maxxed out on earnings running it out so they can kick back on full-freight unemployment checks. They earned it.
Pyewickets@reddit
Crew can try to get a jump seat from another airline. I am guessing they will be fine.
Passengers will have to scramble to get another flight from another airline, or go by bus or train.
Difficult_Camel_1119@reddit
train in the us?
Majestic-Scheme87@reddit
Can confirm this is inaccurate. Insure these assets personally and they remain on cover.
danit0ba94@reddit
I forgot about Thomas Cook. That was a sad one. TC had been around since the dawn of time.
stulogic@reddit
Thomas cook going pop was difficult because they were a vertically integrated package holiday company with an airline bolted on. They had a hundreds of thousands of holiday customers scattered around, had to charter planes, recreate their schedules, negotiate with hotels, coordinate with ATOL etc.
Spirit are a piece of cake by comparison.
tarrach@reddit
I had paid for a flight when Air Berlin ceased operations on a weekend (this was 10 years or so ago). We were pretty much left to fend for ourselves, fortunately we could get a train home the next day. I think we eventually got some money back but it took months.
bengenj@reddit
In the email that was posted, the company has paid for the crews in outstations to have a hotel for the night and a flight tomorrow. The union will probably help handle any logistical difficulties.
Responsible_Rule8829@reddit
Another win for DJT. . . They just keep racking up.
Watch Europe to see the next airline failures. There will be more than one.
And remember, RN it's the americans blockading the straight - Not Iran.
You Yanks are literally fucking over a global industry. People aren't happy.
How long until they start doing something about it ......
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Stunning_Juice9238@reddit
Thanks donald
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OttSound@reddit
Good luck to every traveler who is away from home, no longer has a return flight and can't afford $$$$ for a same-day ticket on one of the major airlines. Hope you're in a city served by Amtrak or find a cheap rental car.
I-Here-555@reddit
Amtrak isn't cheap. Greyhound is a more likely option.
sourcefourmini@reddit
Out of curiosity, just compared train vs plane for tomorrow for DC to Boston, the only corridor in the US that approaches European levels of rail access. It’s both 1/4 the time (in the air) and $100 cheaper to fly.
Why is Amtrak like this
OttSound@reddit
I'm used to the Seattle-Portland corridor routes which are usually really cheap (around $30).
Also the leg room is much better, there's no TSA, and it stops in places that airlines don't.
jmlinden7@reddit
Well you see, there's a monopoly on train travel on that route, and lots of competition on the airline side.
Also the segment between NYC and Boston is ridiculously slow due to substandard track straightness in Connecticut. Plus, the NEC is overcrowded and Amtrak would prefer to sell more lucrative seats exclusively from DC to NYC.
Kichigai@reddit
Oh, it gets worse. Check the first few legs of your trip. I'm betting the train leaving DC doesn't have any checked luggage.
I looked into taking Amtrak out to Philadelphia, but the moment you approach the Eastern seaboard, * poof *, it's all commuter trains. I'd have had to FedEx myself my luggage.
sourcefourmini@reddit
Oh I don't need to check, I have loooong beef with Amtrak about prices. I live in Boston and every few months wanna head down to New York, and if you don't book that 4-hour train ride 3 months in advance, it'll cost you well over $100 one way. It's literally cheaper to drive, plus I get the whole vehicle to myself and can sing along to music. Spontaneous trips on Amtrak aren't possible, when they should be one of the great benefits of interstate rail services.
zeph_yr@reddit
NE Corridor tickets can be competitive with airfare if you’re booking >1 month in advance. You can score Acela tickets for like $150RT. But they shoot way up when you’re booking less than one month out. It’s stupid.
cluttered-thoughts3@reddit
Amtrak uses demand pricing instead of flat fare.. they try to be profitable. Emphasis on try lol. Look further out in July or August after the World Cup.. I usually visit my friends in DC in the summer but can’t go till after the World Cup is over due to cost.
Wish I could book a train last minute for a spontaneous trip, but nope, not possible. Have to take the bus instead or change between a couple public transit trains and hope the times line up
Daft00@reddit
Crazy thing is that there is a Formula 1 race happening literally this weekend in their main city, FLL (halfway to Miami).
Undoubtedly many many people flew into FLL on Spirit literally over the last two days with tickets booked to go home :(
PhilxBefore@reddit
I'd actually be surprised if many of these out of town F1 fans flew in/out on Spirit when the food menu prices look like this.
Although, that may be precisely why they're flying on Spirit...
ArctycDev@reddit
$22 sandwich is cheaper than I expected, tbh. They sell hats for like $140.
That said, $12 for a beer is a little bit more like what I expected.
Competitive_Plum_970@reddit
Formula 1 race and arriving by spirit. Not sure how common that is.
ArctycDev@reddit
There is not a lot over overlap in that venn diagram...
I'm sure there's some people that save up a lot of money (relatively) to be able to go to an F1 race, and take the cheapest flight to be able to do it, but yeah, most of the people that go to an F1 race def don't need to fly on spirit.
sanjosanjo@reddit
Maybe they planned it this way, to have a lot of their planes near their main city.
FizzyBeverage@reddit
I’d be calling Alamo right now…
parker311@reddit
What makes you think that people pay F1 Miami prices flew Spirit???
pup5581@reddit
The fact that we don't have high speed rail here with ALL the wide open land is baffling.
IceBoxPete@reddit
What’s going to happen to all the pilots and flight attendants? And are the spirit planes Heading to the graveyard in Tucson, AZ?
k_dubious@reddit
Somebody is going to get a killer deal on some A321neos with questionable interior configurations.
Ok-Ninja671@reddit
They have the P&W engines, they are as good as gone for any of the US Carriers.
coffeeshopslut@reddit
What happened with airbuses equipped with P&W engines?
MAVACAM@reddit
That new Vietnamese airline Sun PhuQuoc that recently bought up those ex-AA 330s might be the perfect candidate to snap up these 320s/321s from Spirit.
Impossible-Meet1724@reddit
Why?
Ok-Ninja671@reddit
Ridiculously unreliable, difficult to source parts for. They are so backlogged on parts that some airlines have had no choice but to ground them while waiting for parts
Ok_Anybody8281@reddit
Sounds valuable then for parts./spare engines....
schakoska@reddit
Happy WizzAir noises
Due-Inspector3084@reddit
Wizzair does not buy used planes, they have one of the youngest fleets in the world
Majestic-Scheme87@reddit
Wizz doesn’t buy assets though iirc?
SevenandForty@reddit
I wonder if United might be interested in them; their fleet is mostly PW powered as well, and they've got something like 150 more on order.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
I imagine that the next carrier will redo the interiors configuration and probable replace the seats. When it comes to the cost of a plane, the interior just a small fraction of the cost.
debuggingworlds@reddit
It's a massive massive investment, and for used aircraft nowhere near just a fraction of the cost. Look at BA for an example. They bought ex British midland A320s when they went bust in 2012 and they're STILL flying around with largely unchanged interior - the carpet design and seats are identical.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
When talking about airplanes, the interior is a fraction of the cost... The engines represent nearly half the cost of the plane themselves.... If Spirit ran airplanes with typical interiors, other airlines would take them as is, but that is not the case. To put them into most airlines fleets, they would need a rework. Maybe some other bargain airline can take them, and for the older A320 and A321, that may happen... I expect the a320neo and a321neos will be reworked.
debuggingworlds@reddit
The interior is indeed a fraction of the cost. But modifying it is not. Aircraft are not like car models, aircraft even within a fleet can have very different specs, incompatible parts or requiring embodiment of additional STCs (different for each aircraft spec in some cases) at massive cost.
SwiftAndDecisive@reddit
Well suited for Isom's AAL
FORDxGT@reddit
Wrong engines for AAL
BoysLinuses@reddit
And even more questionable paint jobs.
nav13eh@reddit
Most of those planes will be grabbed up by other airlines.
Sportyj@reddit
You sure about that in this “economic/ geopolitical” BS?
Triquetrums@reddit
My airline is getting new A321s, so yeah, some are still able to function and grow despite the shitty situation the industry is in.
Sportyj@reddit
Because orders were on the books. I can’t see airlines saying “let me buy more” right now. But hey I don’t own and airline so will see what happens.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
The A320neos and A321neos are is high demand, they will definitely be scarfed up very quickly. The A320s and A321s may be harder sells at this point.
NaiveRevolution9072@reddit
I bet Finnair will be taking the CEOs, they were looking for some
Scorpian899@reddit
Yeah. Planes have an absurd backorder. However, interior changes are currently booked a few years out if you're lucky. So they might be sitting for awhile.
Vapar8@reddit
Na no one wants a P & W powered airbus Neo. It’s one reason Spirit is this situation.
Hindu_Wardrobe@reddit
How come? Asking genuinely, I am an interloper who just thinks planes are neat.
Ahgd374@reddit
Iirc, the planes are leased. So the owners will probably be sending a repo crew to all of the airports with spirit planes to retake ownership.
poposheishaw@reddit
Are there big tow trucks that come in the night to repo them?
Ahgd374@reddit
You ever seen those refueling tankers for military planes? It’s actually the exact same one. The use the nozzle as a plunger to pick the plane up from the top and just drag it.
QNH1013@reddit
Nomadic about to get a shitload of business
samhouston84@reddit
Bob is building a new Aviation community called Kittyhawk (it’s an app and website), did you guys try it?
PhilxBefore@reddit
Bob the builder?
Dreamerlax@reddit
Love their videos.
Embarrassed-Pin8220@reddit
In their podcast they say they actually hate doing the Domestic business and only do it for the international credibility if not mistaken..
m149@reddit
I bet they'd take the gig considering there's a hundred plus planes to move.
Snoo-29984@reddit
I mean, it seems like a bad business decision when they can get in on moving a portion of the 131 aircraft they have
-Amplify@reddit
Yea I’ve been through this before and the plane sat for months before the bank called for it then we had to do 30 day checks on it and replace the batteries since they had drained. Also an A321 ironically.
Ahgd374@reddit
Wow?
-Amplify@reddit
Haha yes Wow
skiingredneck@reddit
Depends on the ramp cost where the plane is.
When N7 folded in 2002 they had the planes out of LAS in a couple days.
Ahgd374@reddit
I was asking if it was Wow Air lol. The Icelandic low cost airline that went kaput in 2019. They also operated only A320 series planes.
Majestic-Scheme87@reddit
This is the correct answer. Repossession and maintenance are built into the lease covenants and therefore will be redeployed once repatriated and returned to original spec rather quickly. I expect those assets will stay in America but they are technically owned by a lessor in another jurisdiction.
SnooGuavas1858@reddit
There’s around 20 or so that spirit owned and are actively selling. Like you said, the rest will be returned to the lessors
bengenj@reddit
They are technically going to be unemployed from 0300ET. They are all unionized workers, so the union will likely step in and get the crews flights back to base.
Echo_375@reddit
The union can only do so much, it will just be assisting crews finding their way home on other carriers but the ex spirit planes are going to be flown by repo pilots
Salt-Laiden-Syrup@reddit
Repo Pilot, I wonder how you get that job and what their life is like.
MAVACAM@reddit
They wait until the actual pilots step off or do their walk-around then they run onto the plane, lock the doors behind them and fly it out.
Kind of like a car repo.
FizzyBeverage@reddit
:: Puts shotgun on FO’s seat ::
Ok… let’s find the cold and dark checklist.
canuck_in_wa@reddit
The life of a Repo pilot is always intense.
driftingphotog@reddit
Boy do I have a YouTube channel for you
https://youtube.com/@cockpitcasual
tpa338829@reddit
Also, pilots are every in demand. Spirit pilots are apprently known to be great pilots and I doubt they'll struggle to find employment. Though, many will struggle with resetting their seniority.
FAs are a different story. I have heard that they are not held in high-regard. However, Spirits newer, leased, Airbus’s will need someone to staff them. But who says those people are going to be Spirit FAs.
FlyingSceptile@reddit
Ceasing operations and liquidating/closing shop are different things. The corporate side of Spirit will limp on for a few days, going through the motions of bankruptcy court and doing HR paperwork for the employees. They just know this is the end so they have stopped flying airplanes and doing the things that make an airline an airline.
SpeedBlitzX@reddit
The planes will likely get leased out again, to other airlines.
As for the flight attendants and pilots, they'll likely join up with other airlines at some point.
ywgflyer@reddit
It still basically resets your career, though. If you're a CA with decent seniority it's gonna be real tough to go back to being the most junior FO at a new airline, on Year 1 FO pay, on reserve on the crappiest equipment they have. Particularly in the US where most guys commute, being the bottom reserve guy anywhere is rarely very commutable.
SpeedBlitzX@reddit
Thank you for the heads up, i honestly had no idea!
ywgflyer@reddit
Yeah. This isn't like other industries where you job-hop to advance your career or pay. If you're a captain with 20 years of experience at your company and your company goes bust, when you join a new company you start right back at the bottom just like if you're a new guy fresh out of flight school or some crappy entry-level bush gig, and if that new airline is 10 years to Captain upgrade, you'll be waiting that long, you don't get to skip the line because you have experience.
goodtimtim@reddit
this seems like a really dumb policy? is it all union driven or is there something else going on/
OccupyMyBallSack@reddit
Its all union. Seniority is king in aviation.
goodtimtim@reddit
yeah, i get it, but it's unfortunate at the same time. Do you know if any unions reciprocity agreements? It seems like that would be better for the pilot in the long run.
OccupyMyBallSack@reddit
You get a big boost on your application if you can tick the furlough box. A lot of airlines give preferential interview, not hire.
MAVACAM@reddit
Yeah that's honestly the craziest part of being pilot, that someone with significantly more TT and experience could be behind on seniority purely because they joined the company later.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
Is that the case if they new employer is represented by the same union?
ywgflyer@reddit
Yes, seniority lists are by company, not by union.
SwiftAndDecisive@reddit
Yeah, that is the harsh reality of unionzed workforce, something frank Lorenzo failed to overturn.
bschmidt25@reddit
There's been a bunch of them parked at GYR for a while now. Number has been growing recently. I would estimate around 30 planes.
G-I-T-M-E@reddit
It’s one of the youngest fleets in the US, average age is only 6.5 years. Those planes will all be gone to other airlines shortly.
yeticoffeefarts@reddit
cubanjew@reddit
Do you think that all the canceled fights had refunds issued?
EVE_OnIine@reddit
It's only a sample size of 1 but one of my friends had 2 flights booked with them in July and she said they're not issuing refunds
Bermanator@reddit
Spirit FAQ: we will automatically process refunds for any flights purchased through Spirit with a credit or debit card to the original form of payment. Guests who booked flights via a travel agent should contact the travel agent directly to request a refund.
frontfrontdowndown@reddit
“We are proud” immediately following “all flights have been cancelled and customer service is no longer available” was a choice.
EVE_OnIine@reddit
I didn't think customer service was ever available with Spirit. Lol
TheOzarkWizard@reddit
You should print that one amd keep it..
BigBrainMonkey@reddit
This goes to one of my long time pet peeves. It says 0300 est. which is 0400 EDT the generally accepted current time in the eastern USA now. If something happened in that window between 0300 EDT and 0300 EST it would have been an interesting argument to play out. But I generally agree most planes would have been on the ground somewhere.
ltcterry@reddit
A friend's brother is a Spirit captain. Early 60s. A bit too young to really retire. A bit too old to start over at the bottom of seniority. Sad for him. Sad for everyone there.
succaondeez@reddit
It’s totally sad especially for some of these guys they didn’t know THAT was their last flight. They dream of that last day, the feeling, the ability to close the chapter before retirement with a celebration, and this, they saw it, sensed it, but there was not warning to mentally prepare for whatever flight be had, being his last one.
I feel for him deeply because for many pilots it’s not just the money, it’s their identity, their passion.
Responsible_Rule8829@reddit
Yeah, that's pretty tragic. Limited options at that age if he wants to stay with a domestic carrier too. And the next few years are going to be tough on the industry.
Competitive_Plum_970@reddit
You’d hope a captain in his early 60s would be basically the least affected unless his financial planning was awful.
mamandemanqu3@reddit
I actually never flew them. Not once.
cubanjew@reddit
Thanks for that insightful remark.
Routine-Ordinary3777@reddit
Hmm
Candid-Artichoke4047@reddit
My flight got cancelled. Just got the text. RIP
cubanjew@reddit
Did they issue a refund or keep your money?
diemoehre@reddit
Oh no! Hope you can find another one without having to pay too much.
Sinaasappelsap_@reddit
I do t have the fondest memories of Spirit, but it’s always sad to see an airline go!
Chaise91@reddit
Yeah, I get that the tone is sad and many people are losing their jobs but didnt Spirit provide one of the worst experiences in the aviation industry? Even accounting for it being a budget airline?
jmlinden7@reddit
No, Frontier was worse
ghostfadekilla@reddit
Gotta be honest - if the plane takes off and lands in one piece and I get to where I'm headed - within reasonable delays - younger more broke me doesn't give a frozen shit. I've ridden a fucking Greyhound across the US, how much worse could a sky-Greyhound be?
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
Yes. However, that's what happens when you cut your biggest cost the most: employees. Those employees are probably perfectly capable of being nice to customers when they're properly compensated for their labor.
Swastik496@reddit
yes, but even then it kept fares down on the mainline carriers
verstohlen@reddit
Especially a flying banana airline. When Hughes Airwest ceased operations, it was a sad day, knowing the Top Banana was no more. Spirit tried to fill the gap years later, but perhaps was doomed to fall also. Monkeys everywhere will mourn the loss.
ywgflyer@reddit
It's the staff I feel bad for. Lots of careers just got upended.
liangyiliang@reddit
I too have had non-great experiences. But I will always remember and appreciate them for offering low fares when I was an undergrad student flying LAX-DTW/PIT.
Even those who don’t fly Spirit often are benefitted by Spirit’s competition.
Fellatination@reddit
PIT is underrated but damn do I hate walking out to the cheap parking.
These-Days@reddit
You can’t anymore. They just built a new airport next to the old airport, and now that cheap parking is an infrequent shuttle instead of walking! Also it’s not cheap anymore.
VanillaTortilla@reddit
Now flights into Orlando are going to suck even more.
NewBang@reddit
I mean no one flies spirit for any reason other than the price haha.
But they get u where u need to be. Many memorable trips I’ve had with spirit, to Vegas, Mexico, nyc.
GuyentificEnqueery@reddit
More airlines = more competition = better value for consumers and long-term market stability. But of course we keep bailing these airlines out and letting them slowly grow to monopoly sizes and then wonder why everything regarding commercial aviation nowadays is a nightmare.
Blue387@reddit
Lots of people are now unemployed sadly
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
These seasoned av pros will be welcomed soon.
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
Same, never flew em. I just think yellow planes are neat.
TheoreticalSquirming@reddit
My dad was at Wilhoite's in Grapevine, TX when he learned Braniff went under. They called everyone back and all planes to head back to DFW. I don't think I was alive then, but it's always interesting to remember the story.
grumpyfan@reddit
Flew them many times (30+), never had a bad experience that wasn’t due to weather or something else out of their control. I’ve flown United at least as many times and had many more issues.
Im_100percent_human@reddit
My 1 experience flying on them was awful. Not sad to see them go.
BagAway2723@reddit
ULCC days will always be remembered
ignitevibe7@reddit
I have a serious question though, why doesn’t the ULCC model work in the US? Here in Europe, the big 3 giants, EasyJet, Ryanair and Wizz are profitable. Is it due to the distance between cities, a lack of secondary airports or something else?
I’m sorry for all those presently unemployed due to this. Hopefully they can find work soon.
jmlinden7@reddit
There's less leisure travel in the US from poor people, and rich people fly on the Big 3 using points. Most leisure travel in the US not using points is on Southwest, which isn't a ULCC.
Spirit also half-assed being a ULCC by using expensive primary airports, offering daily service, and selling connections. Allegiant, which full-assed it, is still fine (and even expanding with new 737 MAX's)
grackychan@reddit
Europeans earn less money in general so ULCC has greater market share.
bcl15005@reddit
Just speculation, but I've also assumed this is a big part of it.
Fewer city pairs that are on average farther apart = longer flights on average = fewer turnarounds per-day = fewer seats sold per-hour of crew time.
You could assign a 200-seat plane on an 5 hour route and sell 200 tickets while paying for \~5 hours of crew labour, or you could put the same plane on a 1 hour flight and sell 400-600 tickets before the first flight even touches down.
ShaemusOdonnelly@reddit
But why is that a problem? Doesn't a plane loose money every mimute it is on the ground? Why is it better than to fly as many legs as possible as opposed to aiming for highest flight time per day? Also considering that flight duty times are limited by actual working hours, not block time (-> Multiple legs = less block time per crew per day)
theholylancer@reddit
because you cant charge that 5 hour flight 5x that 1 hour flight
and there is only a "small" amount of time each day a passenger will fly
like most people dont want super early or red eye unless its a long flight, so most people want say 9 to 3 pm flights and if you can squeeze in say 5 1 hour flights with turn around, vs just one longer flight you will make more money that way.
Madroc92@reddit
Plus ancillary fees don’t scale with distance. You can’t charge 4x the bag fee, seat selection fee, etc. on a 4 hour flight as you would on a 1 hour flight. Those fees are a big chunk of ULCC revenue.
ShaemusOdonnelly@reddit
Yeah but you don't need to do that, because fixed costs per flight don't increase just because the flight takes longer.
theholylancer@reddit
so that is the thing right, people are far more willing to pay for more creature comforts on a longer flight
like for an hour hop, if the fare costs less than 100 bucks, it means you are competing with a greyhound ride that would cost less but take way more time (think SFO > LAX)
you can try and upcharge for say a hot meal for 15-20 bucks, but who the fuck is gona take that on a sub 100 dollar flight for shitty food when you can land and grab something to eat anywhere?
and ULCC or LCCs rely on volume and turnaround, that single jet, if it can be filled to the brim 5x a day with a full load of sub 100 dollar passengers who don't usually splurge on extra they can make money
now in europe, that kind of hops is super common from multiple major metro centers and can actually fill jets for multiple competitive ULCCs, but over here that isn't really a thing because you have the east coast stuff, and a west coast stuff (less so tbh), and a lot of empty space in between that now requires longer flights and don't really work as well with ULCCs.
bcl15005@reddit
ULCCs also try to min-max flight time per-day / aircraft utilization, hence why they are notoriously ruthless about quick turnarounds.
Hefty-Inevitable-660@reddit
You assessed income but not expenses, however your final point hints at it. Takeoff is the most expensive leg of the flight. Your planes need to be sized appropriately based on your routes in order to maximize your cruise to takeoff time. Those 3,000 mile flights are spent mostly at cruise.
fly_awayyy@reddit
Spirits issues among a lot also have a lot to do with Pratt and Whitney with aircraft groundings
HelloNiceworld@reddit
Because Americans like (and often expect) Emirates for poor Air Airlines quality at ULCC prices
wurstbowle@reddit
Here's a comprehensive video about that. https://youtu.be/4-Pu3CXatsA
Tldw; lack of competition on several levels.
WasabiWarrior8@reddit
Low cost anything in the US doesn’t work
Kichigai@reddit
Tell that to Aldi and Walmart.
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
If only we had a shit load of bike trails that could fit, huh, rails?
PhilxBefore@reddit
I would like to subscribe to the Bike Rails newsletter.
Snoo58499@reddit
All those Spirit passengers are going to end up on our flights now 😳
pradise@reddit
This is the reason it doesn’t work. People think flying should be luxury. If Ryanair was having financial troubles, people all around Europe would rally to have their governments support them. In the US, there are quite a few people who enjoy the fact that there’ll be no Spirit passengers in airports anymore.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
It will only get worse for US companies under this shitty economy.
The 1st ones to go are spirit who dont have cash on hand to survive 3 years.
vinylscratch27@reddit
Before COVID, I remember Spirit wasn't so bad if you knew what you were signing up for and planned around that. The other passengers were usually college kids or families and air rage wasn't nearly as common as it was now.
I was an abused kid who had just become an adult living in Minnesota and had friends on the East Coast. My dad was willing to fly me to see them, getting me away from my alcoholic/narcissist mother in the process so long as it wasn't too expensive. Usually this meant I would have to Greyhound/Megabus overnight to Chicago and hop a flight out of there, often spending a few hours or longer in O'Hare or Midway.
With Spirit, if they had a fare that lined up (after obligatory fees ofc) I didn't have to do this. I could book a flight out of MSP straight east to BWI to hit an anime convention in DC, NYC to see my buddies and have a normal life for a change, or BOS to chill out with my father and plan ahead. Sure, the legroom was terrible, the crew could be a bit rude and there was nothing but a seat and a bathroom included but hey, it was safety and freedom.
Spirit, like all ULCCs, have a place. Sometimes that place is very important. I hope everyone who works for them can quickly find another job that pays them well and has good benefits and isn't far from friends and family. And i hope the lunatics you often see flipping out on their planes, at their gates and by their check in desks online don't migrate elsewhere.
hpdasd@reddit
I have compassion for your story. AND your last line is a bit bogus. Because in your life story, you would have been one of “those people”
hpdasd@reddit
alright. but you gotta get over it
mencival@reddit
💯
throwaway-clean1234@reddit
Don’t forget this was a completely avoidable outcome. Spirit was supposed to get acquired, but a politician with no airline experience decided that it would be anticompetitive.
WakaiSenshi@reddit
So we can bailout Argentina but not an American company? What happened to America first? What’s their excuse this time?
Key-Jelly-3702@reddit
Where will we get all our in-flight fight videos from now?
Dr_Explosion_MD@reddit
So how long before United/American ask to take their slots in ORD?
unclefire@reddit
Imagine seeing that and you’re on a trip. I hope all the crews were able to get back to their home bases.
Chicago_Blackhawks@reddit
Kinda sad tbh. Really enjoyed my last flight on the Big Front Seat lol. Cheap rates, decent service :’)
Chicago_Blackhawks@reddit
D;
reesa447@reddit
Sad. I flew spirit constantly when I was in a LDR and I never once had a bad experience. It was the only way I could afford it. RIP
PilotKnob@reddit
Since I'm in the industry, about 5 years ago when my friend's Spirit flight was cancelled from MSP-LAS, he called me to complain. He said it'd be another TWO DAYS until they could get him there.
I said "There are many first-time passengers on Spirit for a good reason. If Delta had canceled that flight, they'd have simply found another plane or rerouted you through another hub. But with Spirit if that flight cancels, you're SOL because all the other planes are busy on other one-off routes."
I wish only the best to their former employees who worked their asses off to drag them along this far, but I can't be the only one who feels (as a whole) aviation as a whole just became a bit more pleasant in the U.S.
winniedemon@reddit
My mother discovered this with Allegiant. None of the legacies offer a direct flight between my city and hers, but Allegiant did. But in the off-season, they only fly once a week, so when her flight was canceled due to weather, it was well and truly canceled, no rebooking available.
Her experience really put me off ULCCs
NotSoCashMoney@reddit
Gotta say. I’ll miss spirit. It was the cheapest of the cheap airlines but I did enjoy my time with them. I remember flying from LGA to MCO and having to chose between either American or spirit. The American eagle flight was 118 dollars for a bare minimum economy ticket in an Embraer or 17 dollars for spirit. I got the spirit ticket with the big front seat upgrade for 80 dollars which gave me a first class like experience (expect for the service of course) whilst still paying less than for a American eco ticket. That was the most comfortable domestic flight I’ve ever taken. You will be missed.
Snatchamo@reddit
During covid when masks were required to fly I was flying home from Vegas on Spirit. I was completely shit faced at the airport. Had a mask on so thought I wouldn't smell as much like a distillery. When I tried to get on the plane the lady scanning tickets asked me to "put on one of the masks Spirit provides (the big white ones) and go sit down with those people over there points until someone could come talk to us. I said "sure" and quickly realized the people I was sitting with all had the same Spirit provided masks and we were all shitfaced. "They're about to not let us on this aircraft" I thought so when the manager came up I busted out the chipperist "Good morning, how are you?) I could muster. I'll be damned, I was the only one out of that group of 10ish that got to board the aircraft. Only time I've ever been (almost) too drunk to fly. RIP Spirit, $80 PDX->LAS will be missed.
I-Here-555@reddit
Y'all smelled of spirit?
PhilxBefore@reddit
"aYem ur fouking MASS KOT, siR!"
FizzyBeverage@reddit
Ahh the what happened in Vegas was about to stay in Vegas seats of shame.
A_Very_Bad_Kitty@reddit
lol I love this. Thanks for sharing!
Key-Monk6159@reddit
I've never flown them but there's no doubt a need and market for low cost / no frills options to fly so I'm surprised by the news. Godspeed to all the workers.
ag_robertson_author@reddit
Recession indicator.
falcongsr@reddit
Middle East war gas price indicator
spacegenius747@reddit
Never flown it, but it’s always a shame for an airline to cease operations. I remember when WOW air did that back in 2019, and it left many passengers stranded. I hope that it isn’t the case for Spirit passengers. I know that this airline was the focus of a lot of memes, but its mark on history won’t be forgotten. Fly high, Spirit…
commandercoconut_1@reddit
This makes me feel a little sad. Spirit was a good option for our family and the prices allowed us to go on several fun family vacations. I worry it will be difficult to afford to fly now.
BridgestoneX@reddit
is this real picture?who's on EST? isn't it DT everywhere by now?
Any-Tennis4658@reddit
Genuinely sad day.
Hyptisx@reddit
On their app you can still book flights though?
FizzyBeverage@reddit
Hey look at this, I can still buy a new Sony Vaio!
zoinkability@reddit
"You too can become a creditor, just send us your money!"
FlatwormNo615@reddit
"This message is approved by our secured creditors and our senior creditors"
Theman00011@reddit
Not anymore
CookiesWithMilken@reddit
It looks like they just turned it off on the website.
thefilmer@reddit
"i am trustworthy pls give me your money" - Spirit's creditors
Im_100percent_human@reddit
You can probably get a great deal too! Good luck with that.
quesoandcats@reddit
I wouldn't but you do you
Hodgetwins32@reddit
asking the real questions
FunInsurance9082@reddit
Coming soon…
pkupku@reddit
Spirit was such a reliable source of air rage videos. I suppose Frontier will have to fill the void.
Q400cactus@reddit
"Hold my beer and watch this!"
-Allegiant
poposheishaw@reddit
You stay away from Allegiant you cockroaches! It’s our only option 7/10 times and it’s always been good!
Flight_to_nowhere_26@reddit
I believe you are watching the slow, natural phase out of the low cost carriers. SWA has already started the changeover and F9 has been shaky for decades.
The pendulum is slowly starting to swing back to the business travel/middle to upper class entity it was in the late 80’s-90’s. People have less disposable income and air will become more expensive with the rising fuel prices. It’s inevitable at this point.
I worked for Vanguard Airlines when they went belly up in 2002 and it was very nearly identical to this. We found out by the crew grapevine when the early evening bank of flights were told by ACARS to return all AC to base, all continuing flts clxd, crew room doors lock at midnight, remove all personal belongings from airport. Hundreds of connecting pax were left stranded. It was horrible. What was worse for us was that we were paid a month in arrears so we didn’t get paid for a whole month’s work. After the bankruptcy I got a check for $12-2 years later-which was my percentage of wages decided I was due by the judge. Less than 1%.
I feel so bad for the crews. You create deep bonds with them and it’s like losing your whole family in one day. I still keep in touch with many of my crewmates and would sometimes see them in various airports over the years as we migrated around to different airlines. Hopefully they will find new “families” soon if they choose to continue flying. ❤️
RedditZhangHao@reddit
Allegiant
mencival@reddit
Frontier is strongly positioned to ve the market leader in rage incidents. With the opportunity lure Spirit customers to their flights, they are projected to be the major source of rage videos.
Contemplationz@reddit
Goodbye Waffle House of the skies...
mamny83@reddit
A true spirit airline now.
spaceship-earth@reddit
Man am I happy my brother got out of there before this.
kingstonfisher@reddit
🫡
Tea_Eighteen@reddit
I liked spirit airlines cause each plane had an animal mascot. It was exciting to see which animal I’d get each ride.
TotallyNotAnotherFED@reddit
Wish we could say it was fun but it certainy was real. See ya, Spirit. I hope their employees can find good work elsewhere
snacktivism@reddit
That's Chapter 7, too. No reorganizing your way out of that.
fly_awayyy@reddit
Well they’re tried it twice in less than a year lol
Alternative-Yak-925@reddit
Yeah, too many old crooked airline CEOs took advantage of tangible assets(owned or not) with airlines. Frank Lorenzo would be out there pulling parts if he was allowed near an airline.
Hot_Balance9294@reddit
Given that they still think it's EST when we're on EDT, it's not surprising.
gooba_gooba_gooba@reddit
It's confusing since in the UK the S in BST stands for Summer and their standard time zone is GMT.
In the US the S in our time zones stands for Standard which a lot of people (probably the case here) assumes means "the modern time system we've agreed on" and not "the indication that Daylight Saving Time is not in use".
And then it's more confusing since the acronym for "Daylight Saving Time" is formatted exactly as the time zones but the S in DST stands for "Saving" and not "Standard".
madlyalive@reddit
Funny…my company’s headquarters are in London and that confused me at first.
madlyalive@reddit
You know how many people that change their clocks for DST, that doesn’t understand the difference? I am from AZ, don’t change clocks, and I understand it.
DashTrash21@reddit
Because this could be clickbait AI instead of an actual message.
Cappy221@reddit
No way, I dont think AI would understand the format of an AOC message
Hot_Balance9294@reddit
No, is on the Internet and on Reddit. Of course it's legit. We have to be able to trust something.
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Theman00011@reddit
F
pizza4paddy@reddit
They’re now officially gone. Great airline.
Constant-Whereas-460@reddit
Their website changed to were winding down at 11:53MST. I refreshed at the menu disappeared.
mikes7456@reddit
The sky’s remember every takeoff…even ones that are still with us in Spirit. Godspeed Spirit and good luck to all the employees.
nixonbeach@reddit
Can’t wait to see airragers today
APileOfLaundry@reddit
Great now Frontier is gonna be worse. Because all these people will fly Frontier instead.
mrboomtastic3@reddit
What's going to happen with all the open routes available or all the gates avaliable. Have other companies already staked claim?
MXVIV@reddit
If a company cannot remain profitable it does not deserve to be in business. There is no empathy here for corporations that remain in business because of tax payer bailouts.
Good riddance.
Stormodin@reddit
I agree in theory but it's not that simple in the airline business. 4 airlines control something like 80% of the market and make it incredibly difficult for anyone else to operate. They are coasting on many moves made during deregulation that new airlines can't.
OkPrune3176@reddit
“That’s the Spirit!”
RedSkylight97@reddit
I feel so awful for all of the workers.
VanillaTortilla@reddit
The employees are the ones who suffer most here.
ThePsychoDog@reddit
RIP Spirit Airlines, you gave WorldStar many a great freakout content in the early 2010's
jetblackpilot@reddit
Hold your heads high fellow Spirit Pilots…my airline and the other legacies are all hiring…this too shall pass. It is sad seeing the actual end arrive, but there is light in the midst of the darkness. Godspeed
One_more_username@reddit
RIP Spirit Airlines. I saved like a thousand dollars when I was barely out of school by flying Spirit from Peru (Lima) to US (FLL) at the peak holiday travel season (Christmas - NYE).
It wasn't great, but it was cheap.
ascii122@reddit
F
NoWillow5826@reddit
Goodbye Spirit, Welcome back Pan AM
vfrflying@reddit
My father started his career with Spirit on DC-9s I shared this with him and without missing a beat he simply said “wow, I feel old”
leftovercoldrice@reddit
all flights showing as sold out now on their website
Optimal_Board_2963@reddit
Worst flight I ever took was spirit. Once and never again.
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dinkydeath@reddit
This is heartbreaking.
SaltyDogBill@reddit
There’s a Texas Railroad Commisioner candidate that wants to buy and make it an upscale airline. And then he posted a photo of plane filled with just white people.
jseego@reddit
sRIPit Airlines
Heisenburg7@reddit
Fly high Spirit, may you have gentle crosswinds and strong tailwinds.
flyboy_1285@reddit
Press F to pay respects
Fit-Record-1467@reddit
Spirit, formerly ValueJet?
Shirai_Mikoto__@reddit
i will miss them, their PIT-LAX and PIT-EWR routes saved my wallet
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hiroExclamations@reddit
Working ramp and hearing this at 12:08 while cleaning/ searching the RON’s. Man are we poking at this 😂
astral__monk@reddit
Heartbreaking message.
GTOdriver04@reddit
Shame to see them go.
Never flew them, but really respected them as at least an option.
DrSendy@reddit
Rest of the world: So spirit finishe up back in Feb and no one told anyone?
yourlocalFSDO@reddit
Spirit Airlines customers, this one’s for you
drbigtoe@reddit
O7
vapemyashes@reddit
Whoa
Interesting-Rip-3826@reddit
It’s still business as usual right now says my friend who is a senior FO there. Make sure to triple check your sources.
Concerened17@reddit
AFA just sent a letter to all FA’s
ericalvusa91@reddit
It's official now
MeMyselfAndYoMomma@reddit
They were a shitty airline but it sure sucks for all the employees not to mention ticketed passengers.
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