How do you guys stay sane?

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Dangerous-Soil-3154@reddit

I don't. Stress may have been why I developed cancer (that or pfas micro plastics, pesticides herbicides 2.5 ppm pollution or radiological contamination who knows). Now that I am wrapped up in my own physical suffering I think I have finally reached a peaceful pinnacle of misanthropy and nihilism. Human are just fucked on so many levels I see no hope just a slow( or not so slow) March to extinction with no solution. I'm not even angry anymore, disgusted still, but i can't be bothered to care about the outcome. I still do feel sadness for all the needless suffering but even many of those that are suffering don't give a shit about any of it so whatever (the rest of life on this planet are just victims and I will never rid myself of that sadness). I guess the one solice in this shitty existence with this shitty species is that I will die early so I will likely miss the worst of it.

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mk_gecko@reddit

Eternity. This world is just preparation for the real life to come. And God has used all the detours and catastrophes in my life for good, long-term good. But even in general, there is nothing wasted in life. When you get a degree in fusion tech, it will end up being applicable somehow, in decades to come. You'll probably have at least 3 different careers. And even without that, a B.Sc in physics gives you excellent logic and problem solving skills.

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

It is strange to me to see someone who came to the scientific facts of collapse talk about religion as an answer. If I could just decide to believe in obvious fiction I would just tell myself to not believe in the facts of collapse.

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mk_gecko@reddit

That's a strange response too. Don't you know that there would be no science without Christianity? The Christian view of God and his creation was foundational to being able to develop science. That's why the scientific method, the scientific revolution, never happened in any other civilization. Universities were also key (another uniquely Christian invention), and the concept of absolute truth - not dependent on what a despot or emperor says.

Surely you don't think that you are only matter? That there is no spiritual side to you? That there is no meaning to life - just some biological drive to pass on genes? That love and fulfillment are just meaningless random chemical reactions in your brain? How do you explain the transcendence of the beauty of nature, or Beethoven's 5th violin concerto?

If you're really scientific, you could do a study on yourself: my life is empirically better because of my belief in a God that I can have a relationship with and who cares about me, whether or not the existence of God can be proven. My life may not be physically better, but as you know, we do have emotions and psychological well being - and these things are definitely better. I am content. I am better in terms of mental health - which returns us to the original point of discussion.

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

You are kidding right?! Of course there were many christian and islamic scientists (as at the time, almost everyone believed in some deity - since we did not know better). However, many historical figures, often identified as scientists or philosophers, were executed or persecuted by the christian church for heresy, heliocentrism, or pantheistic beliefs. There is science because people are curious, science would have evolved with or without religious beliefs. Actually, nowadays only 7% of the most elite scientists are religious.

And yes, I believe I’m a fully natural product of evolution. Just like all other animals. There is absolutely no rational reason to believe otherwise.

I can imagine it is helpful to believe in a god. I loved having an imaginary friend too when I was a kid. The fact that it makes you feel good does however not mean it is true. I hope you see the difference.

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mk_gecko@reddit

Sure. Why don't you do some digging and figure out why over thousands of years, not one civilization developed science aside from Western Europe when it was Christian? Of course, in the 90s they redefined "science" for humanities, not sciences, to avoid having this uncomfortable problem. The new definition blurs science, engineering, technology, and even curiosity - as you point out.

However, many historical figures, often identified as scientists or philosophers, were executed or persecuted by the christian church for heresy, heliocentrism, or pantheistic beliefs.

Totally agree. But that doesn't change anything. Have you ever wondered why the Catholic church had no problems with Copernicus's heliocentrism (1543 AD), but persecuted Galileo (1610) for saying the same thing? (You don't have to fall back on the blind mantra "Christianity bad, atheism good".)

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

Perhaps you should do some studying of history yourself… Many civilisations had an insane amount of scientific knowledge that people in the modern age still build on today.

The Egyptians, for example, developed early forms of geometry to re-measure land after Nile floods, practiced medicine with surgical tools and herbal remedies, and engineered massive structures like pyramids with remarkable precision.

The Maya independently created a sophisticated calendar system, understood astronomical cycles like eclipses and planetary movements, and even conceptualized zero as a number (an idea that wouldn’t appear in Europe until much later).

The Greeks pushed things further toward abstract reasoning: thinkers like Aristotle tried to systematically explain nature, while Archimedes formulated principles of buoyancy and mechanics, and Hippocrates laid foundations for medicine based on observation rather than superstition.

The Romans were less focused on theory and more on large-scale application, perfecting concrete, building roads and aqueducts, and advancing engineering, sanitation, and military technology.

In short: there was some impressive science back in day, way before christianity. Sure, Muslim and Christian scientists build further on this. As do atheist scientists now. Which again is 93% of elite scientists today, only 7% of elite scientists believe in a personal god

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mk_gecko@reddit

In short: there was some impressive science back in day, way before Christianity

So you didn't understand what I said at all? I already addressed this. I've gone back and bolded it for you.

What is more obvious is the avoidance of the definition of science used by scientists (specifically hard science). When you say "science" it's obvious that it is a totally different thing from what I mean when I say "science" or when any physicist, chemist, or biologist says "science".

And that's okay. You can believe whatever you want, and accept whatever terminology you want to. However, just don't think that changing the terms, moving the goalposts, refutes my position. Do I make sense?

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Same_Bug5069@reddit

I’ve landed in what I’d call ecological existentialism.

At some point I realized I’m not going to fix this. Not me, not my job, not anything I personally do. That sounds bleak, but it actually took a lot of pressure off.

The world isn’t required to make sense or turn out okay. Once I accepted that I could focus more on the things I could have an impact on. So I still do what I can. I consume less, changed my dietary habits, and I stay pretty engaged with the science and what’s happening. I read a lot, I pay attention. But I put limits on how much of my energy it gets. I refuse to let it turn me into a ghost while I’m still alive.

It doesn’t change the outcome. We were never guaranteed one. But it’s made me better at actually living, which is the only thing I really control.

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DrRatio-PhD@reddit

That's kinda where I'm at internally. Like okay, yall win. You get the Ba'al room. You get the third term. What the fuck am I supposed to do about? Vote harder?

Cool, it's all a show. It's all made up. Cool. I'll just die. I was always just going to die?

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Airilsai@reddit

Everything dies, friend. One of the most basic truths.

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UncouthCorvid@reddit

It almost makes it easier to look at it with fucked up acceptance

All of the animals were already going to die out. Earth will eventually be destroyed by the sun or whatever.

And humans doing all of this IS natural. We’re natural creatures, like any other animal, doing what we can to guarantee survival with what tools we have. We’ve evolved to such technological and intellectual heights that we can change the entire globe - but we’re not collectively smart enough to not be destructive and to really consider the long term and preserve the world. It’s still all about pretty immediate survival (and pleasure), and survival of our young - for most people.

So there’s a futility to it all. I mean, it’s inevitable that this will all end, with terrible disasters here and there.

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no_drinkthebleach@reddit

I watched a documentary on chimpanzees and couldn't help but find the human experience to be just like the chimpanzee colony that the researchers followed. The colony kept expanding in size, eating up another endangered primate and shrinking the inhabited area of said primate as it did so. The researchers noted that the chimps had no concept of conservation of resources in their expansion, and became more violent, expanding their territory into that of neighboring chimp colonies whilst group in-fighting increased.

We are all just myopic little monkeys on this spinning space rock.

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Same_Bug5069@reddit

We're just violent apes that figured out how to walk upright

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DrRatio-PhD@reddit

And for all our technology we're barely out of the cave when it comes to empathy.

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Peripatetictyl@reddit

There is remedy for all things except death.

-Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra

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no_drinkthebleach@reddit

I had this very point blank interaction with a therapist I had on the matter as I came at her with the gnawing worry I had been having.

"Is therapy just brainwashing myself into being okay with shit in spite of everything?" "Kind of, yes."

I suppose there isn't much in terms of medical guidelines for "signs that your patient might benefit from starting a political coup"

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S1ckn4sty44@reddit

https://youtu.be/cPZYGHsKvsU

Everything must die - jesse welles

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Lance6006328@reddit

Love your friends and family and yourself and live the brightest life you can in an age of darkness. Sounds superhuman but everyone alive in this fucked world is superhuman imo

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AggravatingMark1367@reddit

Upvoted for Baalroom

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NafuryTheBigFatCow@reddit

Waiting for Lister the Tormentor to spawn.

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CheerleaderOnDrugs@reddit

You get the Ba'al room.

Nice one, going to run with it, too.

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Ready4Rage@reddit

Ok, I agree OP, but here's my one problem with what you said about hings you can impact, doing what you can. Assuming you're not a hermit, you have family, neighbors, friends, co-workers, etc. You impact them. So what are you doing? Laissez faire in a time when ignorance isn't bliss, it's suicide & murder on a planetary scale? Harass them with the truth until they wake up or can't stand to be around you?

People are the problem. It can't be inherent human nature because you and I would choose the best possible existence. Leaving out what we should do with the people in our lives seems like ignoring the most important variable in the equation

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DelayedTism@reddit

Have you actually tried this approach? Most people either don't understand, don't care, or are too busy surviving to have energy to spare to worry about us doomsayers (no matter how educated we may be on the topic)

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Jovan_Knight005@reddit

I'm trying to live my life while doing what most of my family, mainly my mother, grandfather and grandmother are doing. Like throwing trash that we make daily or weekly into appropriate trash cans, for example.

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Airilsai@reddit

Same. Like I'm trying to cut down my personal consumption, plus learn how to regenerate the world around me in whatever way possible. Plant X trees per year. Grown Y amount of produce and eat it. Stuff like that leads to healthy hobbies that keep be engaged.

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Anonexistantname@reddit

That's the fun part you don't.

You simply get better at recognizing other people who are conscious of the impending end of our society as you know it, and better at hiding the underlying Insanity that rides with this knowledge to people who barely recognize their own fucking reflection in the mirror.

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psycubi@reddit

Yeah. I have some.. First, I suggest studying up on stoicism- Epictetus, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius. It gives one discipline to define what is and is not within your control. It inspires one to strive to be good- to take part/ and to know what is the limit where you have to release the illusion of possible control over things outside our self. It does not mean we do not endeavor even to inspire others to take on a cause- it just means we hold ourselves to duty and do not sleep over others’ absence.

Second/ I suggest that we do not lose sight of what matters- that while the world is burning politically and chemically, we must be mindful of all of these ‘ignorants’ who don’t follow the story. Because they are our family members ( you for one got lucky ) and friends. They’re not stupid- there are articles out there about why following this subject is very hard for people- even thought is the most consequential danger the living world faces. We must be mindful that while we may be informed/ we are still a brother, a mother, a friend, to someone who is not. We must take part in life itself with these loved ones. Especially because the world is burning. We cannot demand every citizen be well read, keep up with news, have the resiliency and focus to take this story in- .. your knowledge in current events or science should not be a checkbox to deem one person more or less responsible or able to take part in our civilization. As well as pay taxes, vote, and mow their grass. We would like everyone to be attuned to this issue- I’m out eyes THE issue. But a lack of intellectual compassion and respect is a gesture that promotes growth both for us and for the people we extend that civility to. We have to end our disbelief and contempt for those who don’t already think and feel as we do.

Hemingway said - don’t tell them how to feel/ show they the situation upon which those feeling will naturally occur.

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ciciNCincinnati@reddit

I’m in the same boat with you. Well, I don’t have your knowledge I belong to CCL for 10 years and I’m very aware of what’s facing us. I know what’s going to happen to my grandchildren, but I dare not tell my daughter because she is a type of person that can’t handle it. While I won’t be here that much longer the thought of what they face just breaks my heart. What I will say to you is that throughout the years mankind has figured out a way to survive, and the only reason I am rooting for AI is that it could potentially hold the secret to fixing climate change. I am with people who say that only technology will fix the problem so go AI!! On the other hand, AI could end us before climate change, so yeah - there’s that!

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ubiquitousanathema@reddit

Remember that most people don't WANT to think about the future AT ALL, and actively avoid doing it. Distraction is king. It's painful to think and feel so strongly about where things are headed. Most people don't want to feel pain. So even if they understand the same thing you do, their experience might be vastly different. I try to focus my energy and attention on things in my immediate sphere that I can meaningfully impact. I don't have to save the world. Never did. But it makes me smile every time I see a flower I planted knowing it was for everyone.

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lasagna_for_life@reddit

This is the same part of the brain that won’t let us contemplate death. We will die. An eternity of nothingness awaits us all, yet our brains contain a dead zone that won’t let us truly understand what awaits. It’s a survival/preservation mechanism, and the main reason why religion exists.

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ubiquitousanathema@reddit

I contemplate it all the time

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Frubbs@reddit

Jesus Christ is the sole reason I am still alive. I was an atheist for a decade and He pulled me onto the Rock amidst this sinking sand. He is my lighthouse in a stormy ocean. He is my eye of the storm.

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

It is because it is strange to see someone who came to the scientific facts of collapse talk about religion as an answer. If I could just decide to believe in obvious fiction I would just tell myself to not believe in the facts of collapse.

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Frubbs@reddit

I fully acknowledge collapse as a fact, it made me depressed for a decade to the point of not wanting to be here. All I’m saying is He’s the only thing that made it okay for me

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

I am happy for you that you found something that made you feel better. I just always find it fascinating how people who can think logically and rationally still can do the insane mental gymnastics necessary to take the bible seriously

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Frubbs@reddit

Allegory

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AggravatingMark1367@reddit

I’m glad to hear that

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Frubbs@reddit

Thank you friend

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beatsnstuffz@reddit

Sanity is over rated. Stay sane enough to be functional, but don’t try to fight it. Being considered “insane” by a fundamentally sick and ACTUALLY insane society is no slight to you.

I make music to deal with the dread. Creating art for the sake of art instead of as a product to be sold can help inject some meaning into a world that lacks it.

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transitransitransit@reddit

Acceptance and keeping busy.

There’s nothing we can do. Stop worrying and love your day to day as much as you can.

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ElectricalPie3846@reddit

All I can say is that I feel the exact same way you do and my beliefs are very similar. Being concerned about the things you mentioned is a thing of the past. Our society is crumbling at its foundation before our very eyes. Give back to the universe with positive energy and mind…even when you don’t want to. Force good thoughts. Force smiles. Force conversation. Force manners. Force love. Even when it’s not there.

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JunketUpbeat9386@reddit

I feel you. I tried posting about this very topic in a mommy sub here (I have small children) and the overwhelming response I got was “get off the phone and touch grass” in varying degrees of snideness. I’ve been stockpiling food like crazy so when the supply chain crisis hits later this year we’re ahead of the curve but I’m so anxious I can’t eat because no one knows how bad it’s going to be. I’m currently waiting to find out if I have cancer, too-oh, and my husband kind of wants a divorce! And it’s 90 degrees in April in NYC! What the fuck!!

The short answer is that I take Propranolol during the day, smoke cigarettes, and then alternate between sleeping pills and full bottles of wine at night. Not recommended but it helps take the edge off.

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sherilaugh@reddit

This spring I planted three trees. I composted. I am making a bigger veg garden to both keep costs down and reduce footprint. I enjoy gardening. I get outside and feel the sun on my skin. I swim in a pool where I have a membership and gave up having my own. I keep my thoughts on how nice it is I don't have to maintain it. I spend time in nature with my family. I figure I'm already nearly 50. This shit likely isn't gonna be my problem for long. I can't control anything more than my own actions anyway.

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bernpfenn@reddit

sit back and watch the spectacle of pur undoing

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

In a weird way I find it both a curse and a privilege to be able to watch the end of modern society unravel. It sucks but at least it is not boring!

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jackjmil64@reddit

May sound strange but I watch Near Death Experience (NDE) videos and read books/articles about the research around it. It comforts me deeply knowing that the next world makes sense, even though this one doesn’t. Apparently the afterlife is perfectly loving, with no scarcity, no suffering, no loss, no unmet needs. It is everything this life is not.

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

The afterlife as in nothingness? At least there won’t be worries :)

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iStoleTheHobo@reddit

I don't stay sane. I get genuinely angry when I get started on the topic of environment and production system, to the point where I can tell that other people find it somewhat disturbing. Though there might be some meager solace in this passion since its the same thing that underpins my ability to actually engage deeply with the things I find meaningful.

Personally I spend a lot of time with music and instruments, I'm not so sure that I want to 'be part' of this culture I've been born into, not on the things it values anyway because those things are sick and they make us sick. Only a sick society would be where we are, acting how we're acting. Perhaps that's due to a process of elimination where any culture which did not display these insane characteristics got slaughtered by us, who knows. It might simply be a game-theoretical certainty ever-present in a world with limited resources. Sure wish we'd be less blasé about it all though.

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Brullaapje@reddit

Any tips or advice? Thanks.

49 f here, child free by choice. I have come to accept that today is a good day (for now) and tomorrow will be slightly worser, and the slightly worser will increment with each day.

So I enjoy today, I will go for a walk, I will clean a little and read a book. The majority of the people don't want to look ahead, if they did action would have been taken decades ago...

Even now in the Netherlands (where I live) people think things will work out. And not wanting to see that the social security is getting worse with each year.

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

From NL as well. It is baffling how few people seem to understand. Having worked at Rijskwaterstaat does not make me any more hopeful for our handling of the situation :p

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Justwonderingstuff77@reddit

I’m in mourning for my future. Besides that I enjoy life as much as possible. Also starting to plan my exit, which I plan to be on my own terms when shit hits the fan hard

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Willing-Ticket-1252@reddit

Sadly, it’s getting harder and harder to stay sane

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False_Raven@reddit

I concur, I am experiencing my sanity crumbling and slipping away bit by bit each day.

I cry, I scream, I laugh at the dread of it all sometimes while driving to or from work

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imhereforthepuppies@reddit

It doesn’t fix the problem at all, but there is some comfort in knowing you are human enough to hurt. You are experiencing feelings because you are plugged in to what’s going on and strong enough to continue having empathy rather than becoming an apathetic monster. To maintain or return to “sanity” at this point would be to surrender your morals and your intelligence.

I try to (forgive the platitude) take the good with the bad. I may be manically giggle crying about war in the morning but I also can sit in the grass and honestly appreciate plants and bugs for the miracles they are. I can panic about rich people killing our future and yet recognize the little ways that everyday people go to bat for one another. I can freak the fuck out about money and yet enjoy my perfect view of the sky, which is always free.

Wishing you comfort, friend.

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False_Raven@reddit

Thank you for the kind words.

Unfortunately I am losing my empathy, I am finding it very difficult to care for anything anymore

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imhereforthepuppies@reddit

I will admit I have a very hard time caring about people anymore, but I try to stay in tune with nature. I can’t take down an oil company (though I can try), but I can put water out for the creatures suffering from the droughts we’ve caused. I can’t drink the pain away but I can put that money towards the animal shelter.

It doesn’t work for everyone but that approach has helped me get out of bed. When I got laid off last year my pets kept me going, and when I wanted to give up and move a family of cats showed up that really needed my help. I can blame humans for the hell we’re in, and feel a bit better trying to make up for it in little ways.

All the same, it’s ok to say you’re hurting and want the hurt to stop. I wish I could fix it for you, too. 🫂

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False_Raven@reddit

Thank you for being the type of person the world needs the most.

I believe if at least 30% of the population adopted your mentality, we would live in a much better world.

I personally try to help strangers when I see them struggling with things like groceries or heavy bags, I offer help to carry a portion for them.

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Jovan_Knight005@reddit

I'm doing similar things but i have to keep it to myself and away from my dysfunctional family that i live with in my country (Serbia).

There's nothing that i can do about it at the moment.

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Jovan_Knight005@reddit

Couldn't agree more on that front. I'll add a line of a line of dialogue from a game called Super Robot Wars Z, it can be related to the situation that the world and it's not getting better any time soon.

"In any world people keep repeating their mistakes..."

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ansibleloop@reddit

I'd argue everyone else isn't sane

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errie_tholluxe@reddit

I quit bothering. I carry a veneer, I'm living in happy go lucky unicorn land as a cover for the thoughts about my grandkids future.

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The_UpsideDown_Time@reddit

That is one of the indicators of collapse, I believe. I mean...the constantly rising level of denial.

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heartseyesandcakes@reddit

Congratulations!! Good wishes on finishing your PHD!! 🎉 Well im 18 I can’t say much of like wise help but smoke weed tbh LOL no but like honestly I just do arts and crafts. The feeling of doing something that brings me joy even if for a short while I will always have the item to look back at and remember how happy i was making it. Short term happiness is still happiness. Or i think like well if Rome wasn’t built in a day so wasn’t its destruction, maybe im still building my rome and what if i die feeling sad and depressed instead of content and fulfilled and that motivates me!

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BadgerKomodo@reddit

I don’t.

I guess I just drink.

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rainbowtwist@reddit

I do a lot of therapy, and decided to take action where I'm able and let the rest go. Action and acceptance, basically.

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ShirleyTempleGrandin@reddit

No advice. I feel you. I like watching birds.

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OldTimberWolf@reddit

Me too, but gotta be careful or you will wonder why there aren’t more and what’s gonna happen to the rest.

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Sarah_Cenia@reddit

My husband yells at me when we go walking in the wood, because all he sees is trees, and all I see is stumps where the really big beautiful trees used to be. It’s like I’m wearing Ecocide goggles, and I wish I could just take them off sometimes.

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ubiquitousanathema@reddit

it's such a kick in the teeth to see a 12 foot wide old growth stump and a monoculture of lumber trees as far as the eye can see

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Kgriffuggle@reddit

I feel this so much. It’s the monoculture of the forests. I live in the USA south, where there is NO native forest left. Even the state or federal land was once stripped so they had to replant. As a result there are essentially NO flowering trees or shrubs, definitely zero wildflowers, and they do “controlled burns” twice a year out here. So there is no life at all. I don’t enjoy hikes anymore.

We even went to a “state forest” with a man made lake and camping spots. Same scenario. No life at all.

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Rustie_J@reddit

That's why I basically never watch nature documentaries. Because I can't without thinking about every animal in it going extinct because we're selfish, stupid, easily manipulated fools who took basically zero steps to fix it when we still had the chance.

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springcypripedium@reddit

Same! That's why I never watch nature documentaries. It's also why I wouldn't go to the Galápagos Islands (which should have been off limit to tourists) or go snorkeling to see coral reefs, the redwoods, the remaining glaciers etc etc. Too heartbreaking to see the unbelievable, beautiful, FRAGILE ecosystems humans are killing. I hate when people rationalize destruction by saying, "nature is resilient" or "earth will be ok, but humans won't"

I just focus on the land where I live and doing all I can to first, do no harm and also to make it as flora/fauna friendly as possible.

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ShirleyTempleGrandin@reddit

fewer every year, major population declines going on, we are watching it in real time. Still enjoying the sound and activity of the ones that are here. I know what is going to happen to us all, including them..

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piedamon@reddit

All it takes is enough time watching them. God forbid you start looking into the history of their habitats

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huehuehuehuehuuuu@reddit

Yep watch them while we still got them. Wonderful critters. I am so sorry for what we’ve done to them.

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ubiquitousanathema@reddit

plant trees!

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FormerLifeFreak@reddit

I do too. I have a feeder and a birdbath set up outside. Which is your favorite?

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Rich-Violinist-7263@reddit

The Merlin app is nice; Goldenfinch is my bid of the day.

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mslashandrajohnson@reddit

Same but I go detrashing. People will stop tossing the evidence of their coping mechanisms once the system is just.

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Kgriffuggle@reddit

And bees! I was loving the amount of bumblers and carpenters in my yard early March. Unfortunately after drought and record high temps in March and April, the last couple weeks we finally got rain and the temps plummeted below 45. Even when the sun is out now, I hardly see any bees at all. I’m sticking to just birds now, hoping against all hope the bees will return, that they’re just hibernating or something.

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DSTNCMDLR@reddit

I like gardening. I like watching the birds in our garden. I found a frog in the garden a few weeks ago. It was a nice distraction from the horrors

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bobbib14@reddit

Me too! Helped a lot

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Sknowles12@reddit

I watch birds and grow flowers. While doing moderate prepping.

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robotictacos@reddit

I had kids back in 2015 when Obama was president and I still had an optimistic outlook on life. Now that I am older I realize what an naive asshat I was and feel totally irresponsible for bringing my daughters into the world, even though they are quite literally the light in the ever oppressive dark for me. So, totally understand not having kids. I am a terrible person for having made a very conscious decision to expose other human souls to the torment to come, and I probably will not personally experience the worst of it, but my daughters quite possibly will.

The only thing that works for me is to brainwash myself with literal fiction. Books, sci-fi and fantasy (no nonfiction), movies etc. I have to put my rational mind in a place that is seldom called or considered. I do this so I can continue to work and earn money for my family and enjoy the time we have left. When relatives come over who don't believe in climate change or rocking a MAGA hat, I get blackout drunk or high so I can pretend they aren't real. It's not healthy and I am aware.

I guess I just want you to know OP that you aren't alone, and I don't think there's a right answer.

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gay_little_spider@reddit

if you love your daughter, you're not an asshole. the idea that your children should "inherit a better world" or utopia or be richer than you is kind of a modern fiction. For most people who have ever lived it was "we are hunter-gatherers or peasants, you will be a hunter-gatherer or peasant." No matter what happens in the world or in her life, your daughter will experience pain, sickness, and death, like every other human being. you're not an asshole. Just do the best you can for her. And go easy on the alcohol 🙏

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Rustie_J@reddit

People didn't think their kids would have better lives, no, but the expectation prior to modern times was still that things wouldn't get materially worse, not permanently.

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gay_little_spider@reddit

depends on the culture. Chinese culture has traditionally been very pessimistic. The basic concept in the imperial period was a continual descent from a distant golden age towards inevitable dynastic collapse. An endless downward spiral punctuated by famines and wars. Hence, a propensity to save as much as possible, because it's definitely gonna get worse.

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deemoid@reddit

Blimey, really? You can't even have a discussion with someone who doesn't believe in anthropogenic climate catastrophism? That's a symptom of how whacko you guys are. You're in a death cult. Break free. Read some alternative literature. Koonan for example has written an excellent sceptical book. He worked for Obama I believe.

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robotictacos@reddit

I didn't say anything about "anthropogenic climate catastrophism", I mentioned plain old garden variety climate change, which, yes, I have relatives who don't even accept that as truth. I can't even relate to these people so I drink when they're over. Fortunately this is pretty much the only time I get hammered because I hate how I feel the next day.

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deemoid@reddit

You've been brought up in a cult, and now you need to find what it's like in the normal world with people that haven't been brainwashed like you. I'm quite content, partly because I can see how the climate catastrophe cult is just a religion in disguise, but a nihilistic one. Break free!!!

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MissionCredible_inc@reddit

I don't know about sane but my husband and I are literally building an app to help people (including ourselves) prep realistically. (I'm not advertising it since it's not even done yet.) But making things for our community helps keep me in check and not get scared.

I also garden and my husband is a beginner beekeeper (4 hives) so we get outside a lot and touch grass.

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Vegetaman916@reddit

I, for one, stay sane by specifically avoiding trying to have a normal life. Normal is gone. We ran out of normal during the pandemic. You can't get normal anymore, normal is out of inventory, the stores no longer stock it.

Greer. Collapse Now And Avoid The Rush. Ot isn't just a catchy title, it is a lifestyle shift. People are worried about jobs and car payments and insurance and bills and the release of GTA 6... That stuff is stressful.

You know what's not as stressful? Not having a car. Not caring about a job for some corporate overlord, and not paying bills for things you don't need to survive.

Collapse as an inevitability is starting to become clear for mire and more people. We have overshot. The limits to growth have been exceeded, the boundaries are crossed and the tipping points have tipped. It is only a matter of time now when all that stuff people worry about, like car payments and Netflix subscriptions and air conditioning... They won't be worries anymore.

Because they won't exist.

You want to not be stressed? To not be going out of your mind with worry and anxiety? Let all that go.

Seven years ago, I was you. Dead end job, dead end life, mountain of debt, all that stuff. And hell, that was 2019, when it was still kinda easy to survive while being poor.

But now? Hell, my dude, I have no idea how you are handling it, and more importantly I can't understand why you want to.

I won't ever have a Corvette. Won't own a yacht. Won't be vacationing on the coast. Probably won't even bother playing GTA 6 when it drops. But guess what? I have no worries. No anxiety, no stress, no fear...

I'm collapsed. Ready for it. Let's light that candle, because I can get by just fine in that world. And it didn't really take that long. Lots of skills need to be learned, and a lot of habits unlearned, a lot of social conditioning to break, but man, after?

Life is free and easy. But not normal. Not at all. Trying to maintain normalcy in a world that is past that only leads to stress and pain.

Stop trying to have a normal life. That's your answer. And it is a reality that is going to be thrust upon you anyway, so better to collapse now, while you can manage the transition gradually, rather than all of a sudden and against your will.

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RohkoMASSACRE@reddit

Me personally, I stopped taking my antideps and started trying to find actual fulfillment in life like w biking, painting, musicmaking, writing, friends, and nature. Still I crashout daily. Me personally, I have no advice for you. The only comfort I have myself is the hope that later in my life, Ill martyr myself to stop some of the craziness or at least redirect it.

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Lance6006328@reddit

I just remember ultimately even though I’m in this crazy complex world I’m just responsible for me.

So if I’m thinking about other stuff that isn’t directly related to me or my life (in a clear direct way, not the broad, oh worlds fucked how am I gonna survive)

Then I’m probably just wasting my effort and mental energy and need to have better discipline. If it’s worrying in general this understanding usually steadies me. Just be honest about your responsibilities. You not them

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Moonspiritfaire@reddit

Focusing on my daughter. Lot's of reading and writing. Mind movies about better storylines. Dipping into research rabbitholes. And did I mention mind movies disassociating myself from reality? 😅 Best way to escape.

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Olive_Tabouf@reddit

Wait...you guys are staying sane?

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PowerandSignal@reddit

Ha ha ha!

No.

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How_Do_You_Crash@reddit

idk dude, it's rough.

so I ride bikes (for fun and it makes me happy and its dirt cheap), I always splurge and get the coffee and a cookie at work (I can't take the money with me in the water wars) and uh, generally I limit my engagement with the painful reality.

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uber_sweets@reddit

Have you tried reading the book, 'The art of not giving a f*'? It might help.

It can be hard to let go of anxiety, but ultimately you can choose to focus on the good and be grateful for experience for experience's sake.

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Rossdxvx@reddit

There is not much of a choice really. Either you carry on, or... I mean, that is how I stay sane. Besides, even knowing what I know, it is not like I do not get any enjoyment out of life whatsoever. Things are bad and getting worse, yes, but there are still small moments in life that I can still enjoy. At the end of the day, we are all finite beings and we will all die someday. Life itself is a string of brief, transitory moments strung together. You can only truly live in a single moment and then, as soon as it occurs, it is gone forever.

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Inburrito@reddit

You don’t have to worry about climate anymore. You have an existential intelligent threat looming over you that peaks this decade, no at the end of the century.

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Proper_Geologist9026@reddit

Well you likely have a better understanding of the predicament than anyone. Some advice I can't personally seem to follow.

You've gotta decide how much you really want to see. Decide what you're limits to personal responsibility are, stick to them and learn to live with irrational optimism.

That's the hard bit. Deciding what's fair and what's responsible. We all know what the modal shifts look like. Can you live that way? Car free, plant based, no excess shopping etc.

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fwimmygoat@reddit

I acknowledge that being sane in an insane situation is not a mark of being well adjusted. And knowing that I have every right to be insane given the life I've had and the future that seems inevitable, makes it easier to deal with the fact I am actively hemorrhaging sanity daily.

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Pulmaozinho@reddit

I'm still very much in the getting crazy state of things. I'm considering going into therapy tbh, but not sure if that'd help a lot. In a way, I think it's a very sane thing to worry about something as cataclysmic as this, but there's still not much we can do that amounts to very much in an individual level, so... Yeah. It's tough.

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MadGriZ@reddit

A pavlovian postulate pontificat post presenting predicated points?

Article on global temperatures.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705

Just picking on you a little OP. 🧐

I said pretty much the same thing in a 1978 8th grade classroom. It didn't go over very well. 🤯

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TheAngrySkipper@reddit

Acceptance. I have come to accept after probably 10 years that nothing I do will ultimately make a meaningful difference at scale. So what can I do? I can create and administer a project that is meant to bridge the gap between complete regression and attainable tech. Mankind has likely had a collapse of magnitude previously (that’s a different story), but if whatever humans survive can short circuit to 1960’s - 1980’s tech with the knowledge of how things transpired, that’s something a single person can do. Focus on reconstruction or aiding in it

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GuidedDivine@reddit

I smoke a lot of weed.

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Automatic-Funny-8842@reddit

I don’t know. I keep my mouth shut. I do home workouts after work every day in the evening on my beautiful terrace. Spend time with family. Cook good food. Pretty much it

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redjedi182@reddit

Hiking helps me appreciate what’s here while it is. I try to be present and say I have today. I’m still fighting for tomorrow but I try to make sure that doesn’t eclipse the now.

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Away-Slide7889@reddit

It is not necessary to ‘believe in the future’.
In fact, hope itself is unnecessary also.

All the time anyone has is this moment, the present. The past is a memory. The future is a dream. All that is real is now. Thus everyone’s life is exactly the same length, the duration of this moment now.

Letting go of attachment to the results of our actions and efforts is sensible for this reason.

The nature of human life is fundamental ignorance. The sum total of all human knowledge is a description of some small fraction of actual reality. Maybe it might be 2%? Who knows.

This means certainty, even scientific certainty, about the future is in fact a kind of arrogance.
There are too many known unknowns, and innumerable unknown unknowns.

Do you find the fight itself meaningful? Are you fighting to gain even 1% better outcomes for everyone you know and love, human or animal? Even just for yourself?

Are you fighting so that even one living being somewhere can be in their home, with their loved ones, not hungry, afraid or in pain, even for one day, hour or minute more than if you chose to give up the fight right now?

Is that a meaningful life, fighting to care for and comfort other living beings for however much longer is possible?

What do you think?

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JesusHMinus@reddit

Copious amounts of marijuana and gardening.

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Superb-Difference-62@reddit

I've been reading some philosophical books and one of my recent reads is Albert Camus' "The Rebel". Something that appeared bittersweet to me is that existential dread is a pretty universal human experience. It brings me some comfort to realize that some of the great thinkers of the 20th century also could not really foresee their own continued existence, but it is also despairing to realize that we may be the first generation in which this dread is completely justified. I've struggled with the desire to make something of my life while knowing that the world is completely fucked so his words hit pretty close to home. I've decided to take a more mindful and 'in the moment' approach to my life. I try to scroll less and spend more time outside. I take naps with my cat in a sunbeam. I eat good food and I try to spend time with close friends. And I volunteer a lot so I feel like I've done something. These things don't get rid of my existential dread, but I feel like at the end, when things go to shit, I won't regret the way I spent my time. I'm sure I'm only repeating ad nauseam what lots of other folks have suggested, but I hope it put things into perspective for you. And if you are interested, I would suggest giving The Rebel a try!

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MrSnitter@reddit

Denial and cognitive dissonance are very powerful for mitigating uncomfortable truths. I think the latest pandemic did something to make a lot of people to see things that we've been propagandized to dismiss with more clarity, like the seeming inevitability that we're on track to hit global tipping points and suffer due to exceeding carrying capacity in various ways. At the same time, it pushed some folks to be further entrenched in denials that such risks are imminent. Hence, the painful frustration. We have control over so little as individuals, so finding ways to focus on something you can control is key to counterbalance these feelings. The work still needs to be done to push for adaptations, education, and policy, but we must remain sane to do it.

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Maxinaeus@reddit

Who you callin' sane!?!

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Sarah_Cenia@reddit

I’m sitting here, sobbing over all of the pathos and poetry of these comments. (I would say “humanity,” but I’m coming to hate that chauvinistic word which singles our species out for some kind of special emotional depth and beneficence. Plus the last few years have really called into question if our species deserves the attributes we assign to that word.)

Just want to say that I’m grateful for this subreddit and the many people here.

I don’t know anyone in real life I can talk about these things with. The one friend I had who “got it”unexpectedly fell pregnant and decided to have the kid… so yeah, I don’t bring up collapse related topics anymore. I’m grateful to be able to commiserate with kindred spirits here, sane or insane as we all may be.

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Jovan_Knight005@reddit

I am in a similar position. My family doesn't want to discuss unpleasant topics, collapse might be one of those. Not to mention that my mother wants me to get a girlfriend and marry, because i would be socially acceptable if i wouldn't do so.

Being on r/collapse was eye opening, in many ways.

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Whooptidooh@reddit

By not constantly paying attention to this mess. I also don’t watch the news every day or check my news apps daily.

Because if I don’t my blood pressure will go up, I’ll get stressed the fuck out, my back and shoulders lock up and that’s not healthy.

So I keep tabs, but not as active as I used to do.

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Distressed-Dude@reddit

Well I don't. I am clinically insane.

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patchwork@reddit

I'm not sure the future was ever real - I think I finally came to terms with the idea that there has always been an irrefutable outcome of annihilation built into the conditions of life from the beginning. To quote the 13th verse of Tao Te Ching (also, find a good translation of Tao Te Ching.... I am currently learning Mandarin in order to read it/translate it myself. Somehow it gets at what's really happening)

何谓贵大患若身﹖
   吾所以有大患者﹐
 为吾有身﹐
 及吾无身﹐
   吾有何患﹖

What does it mean to value great calamity as your own body?
    The reason I have great calamities,
    is because I have a body,
    if I were without a body,
    what calamities could I have?

I believe in the present now. It's all we ever had anyway.

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veterinarian23@reddit

A Koan from Zen Buddhism:
"A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him.
Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!"

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ndw_dc@reddit

Thanks for posting this. It made me feel a feeling I've often felt before: I'm often amazed at some of the wisdom of our ancient ancestors, which is made all the more stunning in comparison to the utter, indescribable idiocy of the leaders we have today.

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twelve_tony@reddit

these wise ancestors probably were not the leaders in their time either

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ndw_dc@reddit

I think you're probably half right. The unexceptional figures of history have long been forgotten, but I think it's also true that - for structural reasons - leaders of the past were more educated or at least in possession of a necessary wisdom that leaders of our present age obviously lack.

I fear that our society is trending not merely toward a general dumbing down or a sneering condescendion of knowledge but a new dark age of sorts.

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twelve_tony@reddit

yeah, I think the prevailing belief that we are in a new era where old lessons don't apply is killing us and clouding our judgment. and that belief is strongest among powerful people

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ndw_dc@reddit

that belief is strongest among powerful people

Ain't that the truth. It seems like only the most vile and pernicious among our society rise to positions of power.

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Sarah_Cenia@reddit

This is beautiful. Do you have a favorite translation?

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patchwork@reddit

There are so many, and they all fall short in some way or another.... the main reason I am deciphering it directly from the original now. Hard to avoid some kind of bias? That said I point people to Ursula K Le Guin's translation - even though she takes significant liberties it is all in honor of the original spirit (here's an online version I found: https://github.com/nrrb/tao-te-ching/blob/master/Ursula%20K%20Le%20Guin.md)

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Sarah_Cenia@reddit

Thank you!

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AwayMix7947@reddit

I'm Chinese and it is nice to see westeners learning the Taoism school of thought. But it was written around 2500 years ago: ancient Chinese language(and Lao Zi and Zhuang Zi mostly wrote in poetry and fable) is not mandarin...the translation here is pretty accurate tho.

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patchwork@reddit

Oh hey totally! I probably could have added extensive disclaimers.... that said, I found someone who updated the original text with their corresponding simplified characters from Mandarin and it is remarkable how much it is actually readable. I can't imagine another language in use today where you can actually make sense of a text from 2500 years ago in any way.

Glad to hear the translation is accurate (!) I went through so many translations before deciding to actually figure it out on my own.... I have a method now where I learn each character individually and in combination then stare at the lines until they start to speak to me directly. Then I try to write that message in English. That said I keep revising/rewriting them over and over again (especially that first verse).

I'm a bit over a year into Mandarin and spoken language is just starting to make sense to me. I'm not sure I've ever found a more challenging undertaking.

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Peripatetictyl@reddit

Before collapse, chop wood and carry water. After collapse, chop wood and carry water.

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tritisan@reddit

I’ve been throwing the I Ching for decades. It’s never wrong.

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huehuehuehuehuuuu@reddit

Wasn’t it written during a regional collapse?

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blackcatwizard@reddit

The Tao Te Ching is incredible

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trickortreat89@reddit

These days I am just seeking the smallest things that makes sense to me on an everyday basis. I seek network, community, kindness and charity work more and more. Before I honestly used to be mostly interested in nature restoration and biodiversity, but now I am interested in whatever or whomever is a kind soul. We desperately need to stand together and treat each other and the world with kindness. Even if we are going extinct, there’s always that small hope, that kind people who do their best somehow will make it worth fighting to the end. I like fighting for the things I love. It makes me feel like I am trying to do something, I am rebelling.

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rematar@reddit

I stay sane by moving towards abandoning supply chains for my needs, similar to how my ancestors lived with some practical modern additions.

Your parents sound like they were sane by talking about the future. Have you asked them what their current view is regarding your path? If they have similar sentiments to you, maybe you could work together towards exiting the rat race. That's what I'd like to do with my kids.

I could share more thoughts if you are interested.

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Bodhisatva26@reddit

Please do share more thoughts and how are you navigating supply chains?

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rematar@reddit

Food (currently): We are expanding our gardening ambitions. We grow for fresh eating and preserving. Preserving includes fermenting, canning, freezing and dehydrating. We have two freezers full and two available. I'd like chickens, maybe more critters.

Food future: I'd like a freeze dryer and chamber vacuum sealer (for wet things). Four season greenhouse like an Arctic Acres geodesic dome because I don't trust the weather to be predictable enough for traditional gardening.

Utilities: Wood stove for heat and cooking. My dream list includes a big solar panel installation with a battery storage system and a bidirectional charging electric vehicle.

Supplies: Have an extra stock of things like filters, tools, batteries, medications.. My dream list is to have a lot of stuff like this, including wine and spirits. And equipment to distill spirits. In an attempt to live comfortably, my list of purchases is from a couple of hundred thousand dollars to a couple of million. I don't have that currently, but I'm hoping to build some funds as the financial system implodes. Commodities seems like the play as of late.

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WiffyTheSuss@reddit

Go outside

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EchoesOfEleos@reddit

I don't. Get weird. Go insane.

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Porky5CO@reddit

I'm too busy with other random shit to think about anything.

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Truckyou666@reddit

Drugs.

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extreme39speed@reddit

Yep. Smoke a joint and chill with the trees

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subfutility@reddit

That works, until it doesn’t.

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Sknowles12@reddit

Weed helps. I’m 71yo.

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DSTNCMDLR@reddit

I stopped smoking week about 10 weeks ago. It didn’t help, I think I might start again

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petuniabuggis@reddit

Don’t. It’s not as great as you remember it. 10 weeks is great! Keep going

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DSTNCMDLR@reddit

Yeah, I don’t remember it being great, but it kept me numb, which is either a good thing or a bad thing I guess

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X7_Shar@reddit

snif

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surewhynotokaythen@reddit

The thing that helped me most was a movie called Collateral Beauty. It shows that, even in the midst of calamity, there is beauty if you can find it, and it can be very captivating!

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justlurking1988@reddit

Weed helps

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Kahnza@reddit

I stop watching news, and go do other things to keep my mind busy. Hobbies are a great thing. I recommend finding one.

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Aayy69@reddit

On weekdays I lol and lmao. On weekends I lmao and lol

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Eighwrond@reddit

I'm actually just here to study what watching the news does to people. Turn it off, step away, count the stars, start an earthworm farm, accomplish one-armed chin-ups. When the call to action comes, be sun-fresh and ready to fight, not malnourished, weepy-eyed and depressed.

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Perfect_Caregiver_90@reddit

I (F) have some relevant experience to offer - my husband came pre-istalled with deep lifeling friendships with the son of a leading AIDS researcher who went on to become an infectious disease researcher with enough reputation to absolutely freak out the entire Labor & Delivery floor when he came to visit me and my newborn.

The short answer to staying sane is you shift your focus to living in the moment and accepting that there are things you have no control over.

Do we wish society would let go of its dependence on fossil fuels? Absolutely. Is this something you or I can change? No. Do we think LLM's are not AI (as was foretold in science fiction) and may end up being a huge waste of time and resources? Yes, and probably. Does this change anything? No.

For me, I felt more "control" accepting that I was a small fish. At my age (with now adult kids) my fervent hope is that I tap out in round one of the collapse or in the fireball of the nuke. I understand enough now to know that I don't want to be alive on the other side of whatever the trigger of collapse is.

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Stock_Emu_2588@reddit

Well how would you give advice to someone that is finding out about a kid in the next 9 months ? You have adult kids, how would you process getting pregnant in this day and age ?

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Perfect_Caregiver_90@reddit

I like how you decided I was old and withered away at 40, when I could get pregnant and have several more children at my age. Someone fetch my shawl and cane I feel a draft coming upon me. /s

Did you know that women are fertile for several decades and often have youngest children whose oldest siblings are >20 years older?

Serious answer - Getting pregnant right now would not be ideal. (This goes without saying because I am in a collapse sub). There are a lot more challenges now than there were in the 2000-2015 period. The economy sucks ass, and the social pressure to buy and engage in expensive pointless baby related nonsense is so much worse than it was when I had infants.

Looking back on my (not ancient history but relevant experience from the 2008 economic crash) having a child is going to be a challenge. It is going to require sacrifices, but having a kid always does unless you're upper middle class.

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Stock_Emu_2588@reddit

That's not at all what I meant to imply, sorry. My thinking is more just that you have adult kids and that I don't know whether it's sensible to contemplate a kid now getting into adult life. And if not then it hard to be happy about.

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Perfect_Caregiver_90@reddit

Again, real talk of my advanced age - sensible choices and planning are often at odds with biological dice rolls. That's more the position I approach this question from. As a woman whose fertility is not only active, but proven - I have to approach this question as not an "if" but a possible "when".

Would I plan a child? Absolutely not. Would I welcome a child? I mean... not at first, probably. This is a major pain in the ass, and it is a huge financial responsibility that I was just finally getting ahead of with my older kids. Those older kids are generally independent so my spending power is like a 27 year old with no kids right now.

I see countries crying about falling birth rates and I understand a big part if why they are falling.

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Stock_Emu_2588@reddit

Thank you for the reply

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DmitriVanderbilt@reddit

By giving up on the hope that I or really anyone could affect meaningful change to humanity's trajectory and instead simply embracing living a good life while I still can and being grateful for that which is still around in my life that won't be forever; I am getting VERY thankful for coffee and chocolate lately and am growing increasingly concerned about their ubiquity in western society in the coming decades.

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EyeBotXander@reddit

You would benefit massively from psych3delic therapy.

You are super in-tune with the environment and with massive, unstoppable global CHANGE, but you are resistant to its flow. If you accept the change, and you accept the calamitous reactionary human response to it, then it all becomes water under the bridge. We don't have to like it, but we do have to learn to let go.

Psych3d3lics help you see the dance of life for what it is: a song and dance and flow of life that we ultimately have no control over.

It turns out humans are awful. For me, this is the saddest twist to the climate change story. I used to work in science and I believed in people. Now I realize we are the scum of the Earth, but we think highly of ourselves, and delude ourselves into believing fairy tales about our virtuous nature, all while trying to make a quick buck. Because everything is about profit and the bottom line...

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peaceloveandapostacy@reddit

Give up. Realize modernity is an utter lie constructed by colonial interests. There is nothing you can do as an individual to stop what is happening. Shift your consciousness from observation to radical tenderness. Enjoy being with your family. Find a job(while we still need them) that fulfills you. Laugh often. Use language that doesn’t comply with anti-intellectual framework. Stop fighting MAGA. It’s a waste of time and energy. I will protect and provide for my family until we suffocate or starve or whatever collapse brings.. I’ll die with love in my heart knowing I did everything in my power to exemplify the best a human has to offer. Anecdotally this mindset has been working for me.

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otherwisemilk@reddit

If it's out of your control, dont worry about it. All populations have oscillating pattern. Even the weather will find its balance. It's all natural. Trying to swim against the current will only make your personal life harder.

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PieAltruistic493@reddit

As long as people have to go to work, pay bills, and still have electricity, running water, and easy access to food, then they will continue to live day to day without much care to macro world. That is the hard truth. And this goes for big social changes as well. Until people lose access to any of these things and are TRULY hurting than mass coordination of the public and a social revolution of any kind is nearly impossible to have on a scale that would make a real change. I'm not talking about these trivial No Kings rallies, I mean it would take an army of the public that is at the very least 1 million strong marching on the capital in DC, and on top of this tens of millions of Americans striking from work in mass.

I stay sane, by being a realist. I am prepared for what may or (hopefully) may not happen in my lifetime, and I will live everyday to the fullest until that time comes or I die. But I have truly given up hope in this being solved by any sort of government anywhere in the world. Our greed as a species is just too much to overcome. And I know that even if I personally could fully convinced a thousand people of the dangers we are facing and what we must do IMMEDIATELY as a species to combat it, it would only be a drop in the ocean, an ocean full of hurricanes. This realization has given me a release, I am free from the worry, because my worry does not add or take away anything from the problems at hand. Just enjoy the life we got, love your people, and pray to whatever god or gods you believe in that the world our children and their children will inherit, will be able to survive the reaping of the centuries we have sowed.

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Nivlakian@reddit

I feel ya.

Went to school, got an MS in plant pathology with the delusion of making a difference via sustainable agriculture after my BS in bio (minors in botany, chemistry, and zoology). I realized halfway through the MS that we were completely fucked with no un-fucking it and everyone has their head in the sand.

It was incredibly depressing. It crushed me that so many people just didn't understand the gravity of the situation. Corporate agriculture is a cancer destroying the planet (among the many other cancers wrought by humanity), but none of my profs or peers could be bothered to consider the ramifications because nearly all research funding came from, you guessed it, corporate ag.

I finished the MS because I was receiving a stipend to do the work with tuition waived. I completely abandoned the field as soon as I was done. I went into planning and zoning/environmental regulation where I can directly control what happens to the natural world in some capacity.

I try to find ways to save something. Anything. From the unending onslaught of humanity. The delusional I have now is that maybe I can preserve something until our society implodes. Some level of ecological stratification from which nature can work from after our modern world is gone rather than a complete start from scratch.

The peace I've found is knowing that none of this is forever. The earth will be OK. The current biosphere will be largely wiped out and humanity will destroy itself, but there have been far worse extinction events on earth than industrial humanity. New life will evolve, the planet will recover complexity, and all of this mess will be a thin layer of plastic and radioactive ash in an ice core in 100 million years.

Enjoy the beauty still left in the world. You can find it even in the face of absolute annihilation if you look hard enough. It's a shame this is the path we chose, but there's nothing to be done now.

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alloyed39@reddit

That's the neat part. We don’t. 🤪

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Gold_Special7516@reddit

We have to live until we die. It sounds like you’ve been preparing your whole life to take this on but we all naturally feel like this should be preventing the end of the world. Maybe think of it as how to live through the end of the world and help others (or baby elephants or bees or fusion) function or feel happiness. I think how not if and that really helps me a lot.

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HappyCamperDancer@reddit

Well cognitive dissonance has served me well for 60+ years.

Hey, I am truly sorry. I am probably 40+ years older than you are. I decided not to have any kids at age 13. My first books as a young teen were Silent Spring, The Population Bomb and Limits to Growth. Then of course I started looking at CO2, methane, Artic Ice...that was 25-30 years ago. So yeah. It sure is disheartening.

I tried talking with people and..."oh they will figure it out! I'm not worried!".

Fortunately my husband was on the same page so at least there was that.

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mrsduckie@reddit

how do you see everything now as the things are unfolding?

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HappyCamperDancer@reddit

Sad. I am just this old person who tried to sound the alarm.

I hate being a Cassandra. I was a Cassandra just before Covid too. People thought I was crazy. Getting ready for everything to be shut down several weeks before anything was shut down. And you know pandemics are connected to climate change.

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Rustie_J@reddit

I tried talking with people and..."oh they will figure it out! I'm not worried!".

Tbf, maybe that could've been true 30 years ago, if they'd really tried instead of planning the cover-up & how they could further profit off the collapse like the marrow-sucking ghouls they are

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SplashTarget@reddit

I tried talking with people and..."oh they will figure it out! I'm not worried!".

If interested I can tell you what the correct course of action we need to take is.

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Kgriffuggle@reddit

I love that you assume we’re staying sane. Sane just means behaving as if the world you live in isn’t fucked up. You should NOT be on antidepressants. You are not depressed. You do not have a chemical imbalance in your brain. You see reality for how it is. That’s not mental illness. Everyone else is mentally ill.

But mostly, all you can do is keep trying to fix things, because the alternative is to sit and rot.

There are people who believe the world will essentially end in their lifetime so they’re “doing whatever they want and living it up”. Who cares if I recycle? Doesn’t matter. Who cares if I advocate for walkable cities? Doesn’t matter. Who cares if I run my AC to 65 degrees F? There won’t be AC in ten years so I may as well enjoy it now! I supposed you could do that, but that would lead to real depression because you would be living in conflict with your deeply held morals.

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Weary_Base_209@reddit

Lev Grossman’s thesis in “Life and Fate”, a 20th century version of War and Peace about the horrors of WWII, is that it’s moments of kindness that make us human and ultimately save us. As a boomer doomer, I try to remember this often, and practice it when I can. Replace the quest for sanity with moments of humanity…it might help a little.

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Airman4344@reddit

I know this sounds trite, but one of the best things my father ever told me was to manage what you can control.

You have no control over global events but you can control your health and your immediate surroundings. Wanna go further? Volunteer at a local school and help a child learn to read. Get involved in local affairs. Be involved with your kids.

These things, despite the darkness we’ve been witnessing, still matter.

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PushyTom@reddit

Gardening - trying to plant as many natives as possible and observing birds and bugs. I don't feel very sane but this helps.

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CommanderKronk@reddit

Copius amounts of weed. prioritizing doing what makes me happy. Focus on my hobbies, my family and friends.

Of course everything weighs us down still. I still cry thinking about a video of a Palestinian music teacher, performing a last ballad in his bombed out school so the last sounds would not be "bombs and violence" only for the sounds of distant air raids to cut in at the end.

People around me are largely ignorant to climate disasters happening around us. Ive nought talked about the collapse of the AMOC with anyone, nor the oil raining down in, well everywhere refineries are being bombed. Honestly? Were powerless as individuals without amassed wealth. Its only en masse we could feasibly make a difference, and that doesnt seem to be happening in a scale I myself can join.

So, I sit here, knowing but, not really knowing it all. Unable to do anything. I envy those ignorant around me to a point, I would call myself willfully ignorant. Seeing as all I can do is observe in horror at the news anyways.

It is, what it is.

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filmguy36@reddit

Define sane

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JackBlackBowserSlaps@reddit

Society and people have gotten so awful, that I welcome and cheer on the downfall. I feel that if we somehow manage to “beat” climate change, our future will in fact be much worse.

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PoutineItalienne@reddit

Hi, I've been collapse aware since my teenage years.

I've given up in my early 20s doing drugs and generally yolo'd. Then I guess in the cycle of grief I just accepted it.

I'm in my 30s, went back to school and trying to be an adult. I'm no scolar/philosopher by any means, but if we can't control it then I'll just do my best where I can. I started to enjoy the little things in life, because in the grand scheme of things, we are going to be a speck of dust in the timeline.

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GeneralZojirushi@reddit

Right now I'm focusing on softening the blow for myself and others in my area. Setting up off grid solar. Planting as many vegetable plots as I can manage myself. Water collection and treatment and hygiene when there are no more stores.

For everything else that tries to creep in, I pretend I'm just as ignorant as everyone else. Watch one of the few shows I still enjoy or turn on a game, cook, take a hike. Enjoy what's left with the time we have left.

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Xerxero@reddit

Frog in boiling water.

It’s too slow for people to really realize. Climate change is not one big bang event.

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nothankeww@reddit

I don’t and then I disassociate. And then I kept screeching back to reality and I don’t stay sane and I just keep cycling in and out of that.

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Sea_One_6500@reddit

We may not be able to save the world, but we can try to mitigate suffering as much as we can. I've chosen to go the hyper local route and support those physically closest to me. I share with neighbors, volunteer in my community, and focus on what we have. My yard is an oasis for critters, and large enough to support them. Our groundhog is back and the zero fucks he gives about my dogs is amazing.

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reynth821@reddit

Marijuana, and a lot of acceptance

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reynth821@reddit

And to the antidepressants, if you're not going to do the big thing they're not necessary, you are correct. You are intelligent and reacting to the world around you. Work on the coping eith therapy but I will say 9/10 antidepressants are not necessary, lifestyle is everything for happiness and as you can see, there ain't much of it to have. Maybe more would react to the world if it wasn't being dulled out with ssri

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Shppo@reddit

i feel this 100%

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FormerLifeFreak@reddit

I write. The world will probably become dust before I finish my book. I’ll probably never get the chance to publish jt. But it makes me happy to put words on pages and lets me live in “another world” for a little while.

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Only-Imagination-459@reddit

Get organized, learn who locally helped bring about the end, and accordingly prepare for the loss of law and order

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Spiritual_Move_8353@reddit

I think many of us who are collapse aware have what I call 'toxic empathy'; we see what we collectively are doing to this world and emotionally take on the suffering of the people and animals and environment around us, even when we try to individually minimize the harm we are doing.

While I mourn those facing the future, I take some comfort in knowing that the world and everything that inhabits it has gone through catastrophic change before and will again - many, many times over. Whether it's through human stupidity or the gamma ray burst from a nearby supernova, those species that are here today won't be here at some point in the future. And if the little I can do to try to save the world is dwarfed by forces much bigger than my own, then I see I have no control and, hopefully, can achieve some measure of acceptance of insignificance in the bigger picture.

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keytiri@reddit

boob tube; I still reduce, reuse, recycle but I’m under no delusion that’ll “save the world,” I do it because it makes me happy that at least I’m personally doing something. I also focus more on trying to get enjoyment from day to day life vs saving for a future that will probably be totally different than the past.

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krichuvisz@reddit

‘It Is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society’ Krishnamurti. I think your reaction to the multi-crisis is actually the right one. If everybody would feel like you, change would already has happenend. Limit of growth was published in 1972, The first global climate conference was in 1992. If somethings wrong in your organism it hurts, so you rest and your body can heal. Those who can't feel the pain, won't suffer now, but they will die soon, that's what pain is for.

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NafuryTheBigFatCow@reddit

I was about to post this quote as well. I think struggling with our predicament and reality is a signal of trying to stay in touch with what is real. We're all in this weird ride and the end is coming no matter where the ride is taking place.

Towards OP: I wish for you to find like-minded people to have some connection. Apart from that you might have to go through the (e)motions.

Peace and love to everyone.

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RichieLT@reddit

We don’t .

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lifelovers@reddit

The only thing I’ve found that helps is focusing on the nature that’s left. Like, really enjoying the birds I see, the older trees that still exist, and native plants and animals. I like to spend time with nature and cherish it for the limited time we’ll continue to have it.

It’s bleak, and there’s nothing you can do about it at this point, so just try to cherish the here and now.

I need to get back into meditation. Have you tried that? Being truly present in the moment and not taking things too seriously helps when I can do it.

I also like to reflect on the fact that this was the inevitable result of human society. As soon as we found oil, there is literally no other way for this simulation to play out because humans are not sufficiently evolved or related to each other to make sacrifices or changes to individual quality of life to benefit the whole/others. You sound like you are significantly above average intelligence so you may have more capacity than 98% of other people to align your actions with your beliefs/values. Most people are just trying to survive. Hell most people believe in a big man in the sky who will save them when they die or some other afterlife or reincarnation. People as a whole simply are not equipped to do anything differently than what’s happening and, even if the majority were, you’d still have a few countries or civilizations left who refuse to comply and people would flock there for “fun” and “a better life.”

It’s simply an intractable problem, and has been for over 100 years. Or longer. Possibly since the dawn of capitalism. And possibly this result is inextricable from the existence of humans; populations of animals grow unchecked with abundant resources and a lack of disease/pestilence. There was no other choice.

Also yay science! Isn’t it fascinating? Very few people can actually understand what you do, or what your parents did. Enjoy the knowledge and quest to evolve!

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Dependent-Judge760@reddit

by lowering expectations and coming to the full realization that things are not meant to work out; in fact, they do not for many people (not to mention animals) every day on this planet. it’s just by pure luck that im still alive and (so far) largely unaffected by the major environmental/societal issues currently affecting (or killing) many. philosophical pessimism!

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cosmic_kos@reddit

I don't know what advice I can give but I do find it absolutely insane that 99.99% of the world is just going about life as usual. Or at least it seems that way and maybe they can't really do much (excluding the real power players like billionaire scum) so they just go on with their lives.

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lchawks13@reddit

Graveyard humor is how I cope

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Raze183@reddit

what is something graveyard humor and food have in common?

!not everyone gets it!<

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Crishello@reddit

I feel you. I think it's important to find like minded people. You said, your friends talk about climate change and science, but they don't feel the emotional impact. So I think you really need to find people who share these emotions. I found signal collaps groups, but they are not english, sorry. I have a few friends who feel the same and I focus on these friends. I avoid the other friends more or less because it was not healthy for me.

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DrLeonardBonesMcCoy@reddit

This year, next year yadda yadda. Meanwhile the World keeps chucking along.

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adamsoutofideas@reddit

Im struggling with this right now. Im living in a world that's changing fast enough that I can notice it in my memory not that long ago, which is way too fast for planetary change.

We're entering the elbow of something exponential and it's going to be hell on earth and probably end in extinction, maybe a total reset since no life lives in isolation.

People react to the future burning as if im painting some kind metaphor, trying to get them worked up, when im trying to be as literal and dispationate as I can be, it's just that bad.

I dont know how "everything is going to get worse, faster, always" doesn't fill your diaper. It scares the shit out of me and has been since I actually believed we were going to try because extinction through suffering seems like the worst choice, always, no matter the cost... here we are.

We still think raising awareness is important... enough to justify all the private jet travel and weird climate swag, when very clearly any climate conference should be virtual and I wouldn't expect anyone to be wearing makeup.

It's like the future isn't now so it isn't? Like, the way we deal with mortality is to dismiss it as a problem for a future self. Forgetting that time is always moving and we will wake up in a climate nightmare what will feel like tomorrow from the choices we made what feels like yesterday. It's always only now and the question is always only "more fossil fuels today?" And as long as the answer is yes, the future gets that much worse, that much faster.

It's like being on a roller-coaster with a speed boost dial that has a countdown on it longer than the ride up with no indication of how much faster it will go or where the safe line is and the effect won't kick in until it's already going downhill. And we're not just turning it up, we've made an entire lifestyle out of turning it up. We lost track of how many full rotations of boost we're in for, but it's all downhill then anyway, so who cares.

the sound of someone going insane while they quietly try to do the math on making sense of this response

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Napnnovator@reddit

I try to be as kind to others as I can manage. It helps us feel good for a bit and just a moment of friendly connection with a stranger is a beautiful thing. Also, I love the hell out of all living things now: trees, moss, blue jays, ants. They are in the lifeboat with us.

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Sarah_Cenia@reddit

Seriously. I don’t believe in reincarnation, so every single living thing that I see is somehow that much more sacred: it’s their single, unitary, one-and-only life. Life could have manifested for me in that form (I didn’t choose this form anymore than they chose their form, after all). So how can I disrespect any living thing? And typically, even if it’s just a weed in the sidewalk, they are giving it their all. How inspiring.

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PaulQStarr@reddit

For me, it helps to know I'm not alone in this. I'm not the only one seeing this, I'm not crazy. That's part of why I'm in this community. I'm not certain if I'd call sane the mental resting point for where I'm at. But as it's been said, "it's no measure of health to be well adjusted to sick society." Really, where I'm at, is probably right around absurdism. I've mostly done my grieving, and mostly am in acceptance of it at this point. Nothings matters. It was over before I was born and it's already too late. Tomorrow has never been promised. I don't know how many more relatively good days I have left. But I do know I'm going to enjoy it while I can. I will live and I will love while I can. Don't live like there's no tomorrow, but just enjoy what you can, and be grateful for what good you still have, however small a thing may be. Take time for yourself. Take time to appreciate nature. Any bit of a nature you can. It doesn't have to be a walk in the woods. It can the weeds growing through the cracks in the sidewalk too.

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Konradleijon@reddit

I have no idea

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EmergencySushi@reddit

I replied this to another thread on the sub. I think it is as good an answer as any here as well.

I low-key think this is the undercurrent of day-to-day life, just the vast majority of us going about trying to act like the floor isn’t slowly turning into quicksand. We take refuge in what we can - pleasantries, loved ones (the lucky ones among us), hobbies and side interests, and try VERY HARD not to look too closely at how things are going.

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Ok_Way9206@reddit

I wouldn't know what a "normal life" was. Could you elaborate? It may be you can't see clearly? I'm a European but the first time I saw Europe clearly was from W. Africa, in the mid 1970s.

Can the fish see the water they swim through?

The carbon pulse has enabled so many people to live the most extraordinary lives for a few short decades, but as it comes to an end, it seems to me, several billion people will be forced to reflect on the word "normal".

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what-no-earth@reddit

Taking mushrooms from time to time, enjoying nature, and experiencing all there is to experience until I can't.

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UninvestedCuriosity@reddit

Seeing how many things began healing in the most subtle of ways during covid gave me some hope. Knowing that there are two generations of people more aware that are about to get the helm for real finally after way too long of waiting for the reaper.

I know it's still going to get a lot worse but humanity as a people will be better equipped soon in many facets that matter.

I chose step kids and got a visectemy so young that the doctor had to call around for liability purposes. My household is way below the type of consumerism that got us here and my step kids live like monks valuing education over things. One of them went hard into political sciences and if they ever get opportunity, they will have my fire.

However small the actions. We can only do what we can do for future people. I've moved the rudder as best I can and just because a giant is pushing against the other side does not mean we will stop.

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PepperPottt@reddit

No one here is sane anymore but we’re trying

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choppy75@reddit

I hear you. Been feeling the same for 24 years now. Have you heard of Joanna Macy and her concept of "active hope" ? I struggle to find solace in it, but lots of climate activists find it useful. Good choice not to have children. I've recently started a new job in a centre for practical sustainability, focused on sharing practical skills for the future. That helps keep me somewhat sane. Maybe you could use your knowledge and skills to work in something related to adaptation? Wishing you the best 🌍

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daviss2@reddit

Smoke way to much weed.

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bizh_gki@reddit

Back in high school, teacher told the class he was required to tell us about the greenhouse effect. The Earth will get warmer like a greenhouse. Moving on. He had an illustration of a greenhouse up over the chalkboard filled with plants.

Watching Inconvenient Truth back when it came out shook me a bit. There are just so many different ways to rearrange ideas about the world to fit a narrative that we all have to exclude a lot of details to focus on one storybook version of reality versus another. It started to make sense how we can disregard climate change by focusing on other ideas instead.

I read up on a lot of the effects of climate change and started to notice how the news kept painting an incredibly more hopeful version of the expected timeline. I’d read up enough that I started to come across scientists being quoted that they can’t share the actual facts with the news as they are far too dire and people take it as hyperbole when the public not dismissing it is needed for any changes in our behaviors to be made.

I became overwhelmed and was also told by others who claimed to understand climate change that i sounded like a crazy person. I felt so responsible on an individual level.

After a while, I began to become disengaged as I started to see that humans altogether are an organism and that our individual selves are a part of this mass of humanity with this legacy of making messes all while staying focused on a mantra that humans are #1. From the beginning of our writing, the whole world revolves around us. We are special and unique from nature. We might be one thing as individuals, but we are something different as a group, a different organism.

It’s awesome that you have had your life set up to be helpful. I hope that whatever work you are doing in materials science will help us survive what is to come. But a lot of how I’ve learned to cope is to accept my level of powerlessness in it. We are all, most all of us at least, conditioned to do what authority tells us. It’s not unlike a smoker getting lung cancer and continuing to smoke. If the cells in that smoker’s body are self-aware, safe bet they see the authority continue to poison itself, all of its cells, and ensuring doom for the body, but the cells are unable to do anything about it.

That the Earth is billions of years old and that there have been mass extinctions before and drastic changes in climate and all species die out all kind of come together to reinforce that we’re not that special and death comes for everyone including entire genomes. That helps me to appreciate the life and the moments I have and that we have, to not be so selfish in my motivations or invested in trying to work my perspective into something that helps my ego to feel too inflated about anything. It’s an acceptance of despair and so nothing to feel proud about of course.

I mean we only have billions of people and a large amount of scientists devoted to innovation due to the world created by all this energy derived from burning fossil fuels. Seems a safe enough bet that we can’t expect to change how humans are enough to get those profiting off the sale of fossil fuels to allow for renewables. We’re apes; we’re quite tribal and aren’t inclined to share equally. Our selfishness can cause us to be quite cruel. Where we have found ourselves seems to have been almost guaranteed. We definitely don’t seem to be as virtuous as we like to tell ourselves we are.

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gay_little_spider@reddit

I feel like I say the same thing to every post these days, but for me, it's Buddhism. I would be very mentally ill even without collapse, and collapse sure ain't helping, so I really need some guidance. Can't stand therapy-talk. Impermanence, Interdependence, Non-Self. Suffering. Clinging to things that hurt us. I was an atheist for a very long time, but this stuff just makes sense. I listened to "Old Path White Clouds" a few years ago and decided I needed more. Found a sangha near me, Tibetan / Nyingma school. I love my school, but there are many many beautiful traditions with their own valuable methods and insights. I go for the insightful teachers, kind people, good vegetarian food on Sundays. Meditation. Chanting the Heart Sutra. It's been the main thing holding my screwed up life together in this burning world.

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Thick-Ad5738@reddit

Nihilism does the trick nicely

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RunYouFoulBeast@reddit

Your projection of projection had escape the wave velocity , and foresee a collapse sequence that is form by locally bound projection. However the final end of the projection is not definite.
In layman terms , for the tiny binny climate change.. this is not entirely , it might be a struggle or an end for many life form , perhaps including human, but earth is a large life experiment that been known and prove been throwing life to endless test that is almost irresponsible for a life bearing system.. well from life perspective. A total cold and total hot scenario, planetary asteroid bombardment , allowing single species to over thrive and change atmospheric combination (nah we are not the first and not the most successful one) , and countless small and big volcanic , tectonic adjustment. The list goes on and on.
We are just a forefront of a wave of life exploring the fundamental reality. And we happen to be the first to understand it more clearly than the others, there are no guarantee that we could outrun the crushing wave, and to declare the wave will win now is also premature.
Hope is a projection rank and depth is still potentially discoverable.
Hopeless is the end of that. And it just a mind state. A projection of a projection.

We ow it to the pass life , who had win the trial and wave crushing , survive and pass down in the DNA encoding to guide us in the future endeavor, our failure is our own as we let the presumption of domination or dark side of the sigmoid to take hold the majority of us. The encoding is in the rest of the other life form, if we fail , others will take hold and move forward.

But if you disagree with current local projection scaffolding (cultural local group conditioning), get out and explore others groups. The local group lay traps and boundary to keep one in , that's how system does thing.

In case you are wondering what is cultural local group conditioning.

Racism - Skin color is just color code for the light spectrum exposed during the ancestor residence period. The rest is conditioning.

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Effective_Bug_176@reddit

While the natural sciences paint a bleak picture, I haven't entirely given up hope when I look to the social sciences. From them, I know that it's not some kind of human nature that drives us to ruin this beautiful world. Hope may be slim, but there's no guarantee, no determinism, that our societies won't overcome capitalism and its inherently destructive forces, and that we won't still make great collective efforts to avert the worst consequences.

That's why today it's no longer a question of "socialism or barbarism," as it was in Rosa Luxemburg's time, but rather "socialism or annihilation."

Sure, at first glance, it doesn't look that way right now, but contemporaries throughout history have often been surprised by how quickly and profoundly social changes could occur. In all the conceivable possibilities of what the future might hold, there are a few paths along where a better social order can emerge from these crises. The next profound crisis of capitalism is coming, and it will generate the power for social change.

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user-name-less@reddit

just drove around screaming at the top of my lungs and punching my steering wheel. oh and weed. I didn’t read shit you wrote bc I already know exactly how you feel we ALL feel like fucking SHIT. Highly recommend just screaming at the top of your lungs tbh or beating a punching bag

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Furseal469@reddit

Can confirm the screaming. Especially in a car. For ages, I desperately wanted to just let out a guttural primal scream as loud as I could, but couldn't work out where to do it. If I did it in the house then the neighbours would come running. If I did it in the wilderness, someone could hear and send out a search party. It was like feeling trapped in my own body. Then one day I realised that no one would hear if I screamed in the car while driving on the highway. The relief it brought me was immense. However I would caution people that screaming too hard made me see stars and feel super light headed which wasn't safe while driving.

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Illustrious_Wheel695@reddit

You may enjoy / relate to this song 20-Mile Zone by Dory Previn. I'm glad you found a space to scream.

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Furseal469@reddit

This was excellent. Thank you!

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user-name-less@reddit

It’s soooo good esp at night on an empty back road with metal on at max volume. Pillow screaming wasn’t cutting it anymore

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Sknowles12@reddit

I go for a drive and play my tunes way louder than I should. I shout out lyrics. It’s a good way to exercise LOL

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new2bay@reddit

It’s bold of you to assume I do. 😂

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Repulsive-Theory-477@reddit

My daily dose of nature