Uh, Graph Is Doing That Upward Thing Again.
Posted by Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 171 comments
Posted by Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 171 comments
bowsmountainer@reddit
Isnt it odd that it always goes up dramatically when a Republican is president?
DakotaDaddy1972@reddit
He bankrupted casinos.
Logical-Leopard-1965@reddit
Historians will one day compare the collapse of the US empire (and its currency $) to the collapse of the British empire & the £, essentially due to the exact same hubris & denial of reality in both cases. Time will tell if Iran turns out to be the US’s Suez Crisis, but US debt is out of control & China has already started dumping US bonds, so it seems to be heading that way. I bet the disaster capitalists who put Trump in power are frothing at the mouth in anticipation of their hedges making them even richer.
Summerwind2@reddit
So, it looks like a triple whammy - the subprime mortgage fiasco, COVID, and the apparently reckless spending since the latter. One more catastrophe should pretty much do us in….
CodeTheStars@reddit
There’s always a crisis. The bulk of this debt id caused by stupidly lowering income taxes in 2001 and 2017. Without the tax cuts, the public spending to deal with crisis times wouldn’t have felt as bad. We’d still be maybe 16 trillion in debt….. but that seems manageable
livin4donuts@reddit
It’s either Apophis or Ebola/Some other whack-ass disease. Or WWIII. Or the climate finally passes that point where Siberia sharts all the methane from under the permafrost, creating a runaway greenhouse gas event, that dilutes the ocean and triggers the apocalypse like in The Day After Tomorrow (considering there have been mentions of a double blue ocean event occurring this year, this seems most likely, even if it is sci-fi nonsense).
Random_Sime@reddit
How about something less dramatic, like a drought that significantly impacts globsl food production.
ImSuperHelpful@reddit
Yeah WW3. Sure will be bad when that starts. Boy howdy I’m not looking forward to that event that’s definitely in the future and not happening right now.
Same_Bug5069@reddit
Surely hasn't been going on for sometime
InconspicuousWarlord@reddit
It has. And don’t call me Shirley.
ArgonathDW@reddit
boy am I sick of that joke
ImSuperHelpful@reddit
Apparently Reddit disagrees with you. And don’t call me boy.
ArgonathDW@reddit
That’s not discouraging in the slightest, it’s an endorsement of my good tastr
Canyoubackupjustabit@reddit
Bravo on the Airplane reference!
ChocolateBurger9963@reddit
You have me curious. What a double blue ocean event?
Eternal_Flame_Baby@reddit
....a double blue ocean event?? I haven't been keeping up around here lately, that's the first I've heard of that.
dashingsauce@reddit
The Breeze is coming
TeamMountainLion@reddit
Reality: “Let’s see if we can cram all of them at the same time!”
Mothy187@reddit
My vote is on apophis
kea1981@reddit
Was just reading about the Storegga Slides, submarine landslides along the Norwegian coastal shelf that resulted in a tsunami(s) that reached 18 miles inland and 13 ft above the current tidal maximum in Scotland, ~800 miles from where it probably originated. What was the cause? Stolen from Wikipedia:
...and now I'll I'm thinking about is whether there will be any submarine earthquakes near methane clathrates reserves anytime soon. I get the distinct impression the answer is yes :(
kevv@reddit
The methane dragon shall fire the clathrate gun and bring upon a new era. Amen.
Arctic_Chilean@reddit
Could also be a Cascadia Megaquake or New Madrid Quake.
OvoidPovoid@reddit
As someone from that region, really hoping for the Cascadia one
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
Cue in for a Super El Nino summer causing global drought, death and famine, paired with fertilizer and energy cost inflation due to WW3. Should be an interesting summer...
03263@reddit
The US will be mostly spared of bad El nino effects it seems it will mainly make for a mild winter, the tropics and southern hemisphere not so lucky.
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
Uhhh. They had such a "mild" winter that nearly the entire continent is still on drought... this El Nino will continue that on top of killer heat waves.
03263@reddit
Western US had drought, here on east coast winter was pretty normal but did end earlier than usual
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
Uhh, not according to people who actually measure the water.
https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/nadm/Home.aspx
If the lower level of frost hasn't melted before the snow, the water doesn't actually feed the aquifer FYI. We're in drought on the east coast in Canada too, didn't see nearly enough snow to break it, and still aren't far enough into spring to see rain fill our aquifers. It's going to be a bad year if it doesn't rain A LOT.
03263@reddit
They've been saying that since last year but my well is fine now, even though the drought level has not changed.
Plants are growing great too, it's been plenty rainy. I don't really care if there's "technically" a drought when it's not noticeable in any capacity.
We'll just have to see.
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
Guess you will also have an interesting summer. Easy not to feel a drought in April. See how it feels in August or September when its actually dry and food prices are up.
brinz1@reddit
It doesnt need to be a catastrophe
If interest rates go higher than economic growth, then its a death sentence
mojitz@reddit
I'm not saying the US economy is in good shape or anything, but debt to GDP is a super arbitrary measure and it doesn't seem to predict much of anything. Japan has been over 100% for like 30 years — and in fact double that or more for the past 15.
Banananas__@reddit
Japan is definitely not a good example of "doing ok."
mojitz@reddit
Obviously they're not booming or anything, but the point is that high debt-to-GDP doesn't inherently make your economy incredibly fragile and prone to collapse — at least not in the short term. They continue to retain modern, well-maintained public infrastructure and extremely high (and in fact rising, per HDI) standard of living despite having maintained very high debt to GDP ratios for decades.
PandaCarry@reddit
They are also printing 40 billion every month since the beginning of 2026. Japan carry trade still needs to unwind and the de dollarization of the petrodollar is still in play
squashed_fly_biscuit@reddit
The ai bubble bursting would do that to the economy
Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit (OP)
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because graph bad. That means debt is getting bigger. Bigger is not good, and that means it might crash down like the Brawndo stock.
It's expected that denial and refusal of reality will continue. The idea that I think something and I believe it, than that means its true every single time. To be continued.
FOX_NEWS_SUPER_ALERT@reddit
Right... kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothing, but uh, it says on your chart that you're fucked up. Uh, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded. What I'd do, is just like... like... you know... ha ha, you know what I mean? Like... haha.
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SplashTarget@reddit
You misunderstand government debt.
Government debt is the creation of the government, and is payable to whoever owns the IOU.
The money doesn't come from ppl, it comes from the government directly.
The American government can make any payment it owes, the amount owed is not a concern.
Seven Deadly Innocent Frauds of Economic Policy
fortuneandfameinc@reddit
Your understanding of economics is pre university 101 level. The concept of debt financing for nation states is relatively new and really there is little real world data on the issue.... except for the 3rd world debt crisis. And I think we can all agree that was problematic for the states involved.
SplashTarget@reddit
Alan Greenspan
https://www.salon.com/2011/08/08/greenspan_zero_probability_of_default/
oh?
how much of that is because of foreign debt?
fortuneandfameinc@reddit
Just lol. The end of the American petrodollar has already begun, the same with its decline as the global reserve currency. Its going to be exactly like the 3rd world debt crisis, only worse.
There's already several trillion dollars more in circulation than the US actually needs for domestic commerce. The USD is on the cusp of going the way of many African currencies a few decades ago.
SplashTarget@reddit
so what?
the ability to make the debt payments isn't contingent on the petrodollar, or being the global reserve currency
were those currencies controlled by African countries or were they using foreign currencies?
fortuneandfameinc@reddit
LOL. I dont know if that is ignorance or American arrogance, but the status as the petrodollar and reserve currency is exactly how the US makes its debt payments. Those factors shield the USD from inflation because the USD is used by so many foreign countries. The US has historically been able to print USD with minimal inflation because somewhere in the world, someone wants that dollar to buy oil or to use because it is far more stable than their domestic currency.
The whole world literally subsidizes the US by its status as the petrodollar and reserve. The US can and has just printed trillions upon trillions of dollar to satisfy its debt payments because the USD has been historically so in demand that domestic inflation is minimized by that printing.
The US is staring down the barrel of a double barrel shotgun. Down one barrel is its runaway spending that is shown in the graph as debt to gdp. Down the other barrel is the rest of the world discarding the USD.
Can you understand how bad domestic inflation will be when the rest of the world stops wanting USD and those trillions upon trillions of printed dollars in the world get dumped back on the US? When that happens the dollar will be measured in dollars per peso.
SplashTarget@reddit
The US is able to make its payments because the debts are in the form of a currency that they are the only source of.
The same is the case for Japan, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand.
This is not the case for countries that use a foreign currency, have a currency peg, or use a gold standard.
Now you're bringing up a different concern.
Are you suggesting that America is getting a free lunch?
Japan has a bigger one, and it doesn't stop them from being able to make their debt payments.
This would have economic +geopolitical consequence, but it wouldn't stop the government from paying their USD-based debts.
fortuneandfameinc@reddit
Yes. I am suggesting that america has been getting a free lunch for the last 70 years. You do not become a global superpower without gaining benefit from it. Just as the British did before the US. Solvency and debt are 100% related to the US' ability to print money to pay its debts. And when its currency crashes, as is inevitable in the next decade, those debts are going to result in a credit crunch. The US is going to be paying its debts with a currency that no one wants and that is going to mean that no one is willing to advance the US anymore money.
All of their creditors are going to see their loans repaid in dollars that they wish were pesos and the US is going to be in massive debt with a currency that is constantly plummeting. It is literally already happening. Just look at the bond market. Global investment is turning away from the USD because the risk of hyperinflation is skyrocketing.
SplashTarget@reddit
Well I'd say 50 years, but it's good to know that (contrary to what mainstream economics teaches) we both see that there is in fact a free lunch going on.
But solvency isn't a real concern, if the government owes someone $x USD, they can make the payment without going insolvent.
The American government doesn't need to "borrow" money to pay for things, it hasn't been the case for 50 years.
Government bonds are just a tool for central banks to hit interest rate targets, and remove excess reserves, if the government decided to not offer bonds anymore, it wouldn't impact the ability to pay for anything.
t0psh0ttaNYC@reddit
You clearly have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic economics and international economic history. A government cannot continue to create money out of thin air without consequence. Refer to Zimbabwe. Refer to the Weimar Republic.
SplashTarget@reddit
No one suggested that there'd be no consequences.
The main idea is that the national debt is not something to be worried about (specifically for America, Canada, Japan, UK, AUS, NZ).
Not the same at all.
Regarding Zimbabwe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGJ_js8huA
Weimar Republic fell apart because they had to pay foreign debts.
https://archive.is/0gPOx#selection-4293.0-4311.639
hippydipster@reddit
You are suggesting there are no consequences by daying things like "how can it have trouble paying", and "not something to be worried about", and also by avoiding mentioning any of the potential consequences.
SplashTarget@reddit
Maybe because every time there's a discussion about the national debt, it's always with the explicit (or implied) concern of "HOW WILL WE PAY BACK???? HOWW??" as if the national debt is just like household debt, and they use that as a pretext to justify reducing domestic spending on things that help the public, while giving rich people more money.
As if the American government is like a household that needs to earn money before spending it, when that hasn't been the case since 1971.
When (in the cases of America, Canada, UK, AUS, Japan, NZ) national debt is nothing like household debt, because the debt is in the form of a currency that those countries are the sole creators of.
Since those countries are the only ones who can make the currency that their debts are based in, they have no real obstacle to making the payments.
hippydipster@reddit
Your words, but you continue suggesting there are no consequences.
SplashTarget@reddit
Recognizing that the government can make the payments without going broke, is suggesting there'd be no consequences?
Sidjeno@reddit
Brawndo stocks would never collapse. Its what plants crave
brickout@reddit
Just put some toilet water on it.
NolanR27@reddit
The whole country works for brawndo
tinyspatula@reddit
It's worth noting that the debt was higher at the end of WWII however once the war was over the US was the only major industrial power not reduced to a smoking ruin. They were therefore able to reduce the debt burden off the back of a never to be repeated economic boom.
khafra@reddit
We can still have one more economic boom: when AI gets so smart and so cheap that every company fires all their humans and runs completely on robots, GDP will soar. And when all the humans start dying off, GDP per capita will get an extra boost as well.
Enta_Nae_Mere@reddit
The WWII debt was also productive investment in both local arms manufacture, general industrial output alongside social housing and infrastructure that could continue to be used postwar. PostWar housing was funded by a combination of Homes for Veterans alongside the salaries accumulated whilst at war.
The current debt burden not only hasn't been put to anything productive but actually against US economic interests. Arms Manufacture is being outsourced to Israel and ironically China, infrastructure is crumbling and even massive investment wouldn't product any economic gains only stabilise losses, US industral investment is limited to data centres(incredibly water intensive in states that lack ground water replenishment and seasonal run off). When the AI bubble crashes there is no economic growth.
The next crash will be the Great Depression(dustbowl included), Dot Com Bubble, 2008 and COVID all rolled in to one.
RicardoNurein@reddit
History shows to motivate R's about debt- elect Ds.
Methoszs@reddit
Trump is bankrupting the country like all his businesses.
daviddjg0033@reddit
Or the US is finally starting to spend as much money as it did on the military/GDP as it did during WWII. You can both have entitlements (medicare/medicaid) and military go up but we now have interest on debt. I would be worried if they were not spending the money on keeping our airspace from becoming Ukraine or Iron Dome - the one that Israel protected the UAE with - today's NYT.
If the spending is going towards fighting the wars of the past the US will have a rude awakening finding out that drones are jammed on the battlefield so a glistening in the sun occurs from the fiber-optic tailed drones remnants. No it is not toxic it degrades into sand basically.
Tidezen@reddit
Does anyone know what this person is talking about, in horrible English? Or do you, person, want to explain what you just said in less word-salady terms?
daviddjg0033@reddit
ukraine war 2.0 breaks out 2022 by 2023 Putin is using Shahed drones in Ukraine.
to counter tge drones both sides uses drone jamming eqipment. then drones with spools of fiber optic cables avoided drones. Did Iran dewtabilize not just Yemen with Huthis that bombed KSA oilfields in 2019, Hezbollah with bombing and drones on Israel before any IDF response, but also Europe? Putin used 300 drones a night (300 a day over there) against Ukraine Feb 2026 before the Iran War reignited. IRGC is supposedly getting a upgrade to Shaheds to bomb Bahrain, Kuwait, Azerbaijan Oman KSA Israel Jordan Iraq and NATO shot down 4 Iranian drones heading to Turkey.
diego garcia proved Iran could strike Europe despite Iran's self imposed 2000 missile - the same kind of sprit Iran violated the nuclear agreement.
pagers proved Hezbollah listens to Iran and Walkie Talkies sealed it.
al-assad is living in exile in Russia. ayatollah may have received medical care.
i urge Europe to double down while Russia helps retool Iran.
compucolor1@reddit
Debt creation is literally the printing of $$, so this chart is extremely bullish.
neoikon@reddit
Last time we were up here it crashed down to like 25%, so, we good.
kralvex@reddit
Funny how you hear a lot of rich people bitching about this kind of thing and they never offer to spend their billions to help pay it off. I guess it isn't that big a deal for them then.
prairiepog@reddit
It's all intangible money held in stocks when we ask for taxes, yet it's somehow liquid cash when they want to buy a $500M yacht.
Somethingpithy123@reddit
They get loans for everything. That’s how billionaire’s avoid selling stock. The bank will give them anything they want because the value of their stock is so ridiculous.
prairiepog@reddit
If your net worth is over 10 million = income tax equivalent on loans. I know they'll attempt to write circles around a law like that, but they have got to be taxed and no one should be a billionaire.
soulstaz@reddit
We really just need to consider loan from banks with collateral as a revenue than we can tax it as revenue.
Somethingpithy123@reddit
I’m not arguing with you at all. They’re all psychopaths. I’m just saying this is what they do
HerefortheTuna@reddit
I did the math. We each (all citizens) need to put 100k cash.
I’m game as long as you all are
hagfish@reddit
That 'debt' is their money. Paying it off destroys the money - removes it. As long as the rest of the world keeps taking the USA's checks; as long as the ships keep sailing; number go up. I've been waiting for the 'heyyy wait a minute' moment from the rest of the world for about 25 years. Maybe it will never come.
Dragoncat_3_4@reddit
The can't say "hey wait a minute" without the US bombing them, destebilisng them, or otherwise fucking them over.
hagfish@reddit
Say 'hello' to my little Fifth and Sixth Fleets
Hilda-Ashe@reddit
Iran demanding payment in yuan is one of those 'hey wait a minute' moment.
siboq@reddit
World will shift away from a US Dollar based oil economy. Middle East countries will start to sell in Chinese yuan at a discount. North American producers will have a supply surplus. They will lobby the government to start more wars to destabilize other oil countries in an attempt maintain the petrodollar. Expect massive inflation as the treasury prints cash to bailout US oil companies.
Spunge14@reddit
People in this thread are not rich enough to understand leverage
hopefulgardener@reddit
The BRICS nations are making some interesting moves. Hard to say how things will play out, but when the US is also pissing off the entire world, including it's allies, things ain't looking so good for ol' Uncle Sam.
smarmy1625@reddit
Billions barely make a dent in this.
It'd be like if you owed $39,000 and found $3 or $5 in the street.
uber_sweets@reddit
This is why politicians should be young. Old ones don't care about the problems they create.
wiserone29@reddit
Easy, just save your money for a year and pay it off.
Tiny_Dare_5300@reddit
It's okay guys. We'll just leave the tab for the kids we're not having. Not our problem.
2ndcomingofbiskits@reddit
Man, the “War on Terror” really fucked us hard didn’t it
dragon34@reddit
RePuBlIcANs aRe gOod fOr tHe eCoNoMy
AENM1776@reddit
Every president has contributed to this crisis. Except for Clinton. Both parties are at fault.
dragon34@reddit
Well maybe we shouldn't have bailed out corporations that fucked up royally and let the free market take care of it.
And maybe we shouldn't be starting wars for no reason. And maybe the rich should PAY THEIR FUCKING TAXES.
AENM1776@reddit
I agree about bailouts and the free market. But one president or party doesn't carry all the blame for that. The democrats did bailouts too.
This isn't a revenue problem. This is a spending problem. If you co confiscated all of the US billionaires wealth, every last penny, you wouldn't even fund the government for year. We need to reduce spending. Also, increasing marginal rates for each income bracket. Other countries that have similar levels of spending on social welfare have higher rates on the Middle class. If you want European style benefits, then we have to pay for it.
Castorias@reddit
Funny how the debt started going back up once the top tax brack was dropped from 70% in the early 80's... well, besides WWII, but I think we can give that one a pass. Raise taxes on the wealthy (over $4.5mil a year) back to 70%+. It's well past time. I think they'll be able to manage their budgets just fine.
AENM1776@reddit
This a is tax revenue/GDP. Please notice how government revenue stays relatively stable.
No one paid those high rates. If they did we would notice higher government revenue compared to GDP for those periods.
Note: this info cab be found at FRED
ManticoreMonday@reddit
All so the wealthy can get their tax cuts.
Jovan_Knight005@reddit
And kill thousands of people from another country that's thousands of kilometers away from your own country.
asyrian88@reddit
And assault children.
DrTreeMan@reddit
I think you mean rape.
asyrian88@reddit
I absolutely do.
Delcane@reddit
Also eat
Mans_Fury@reddit
The money has to come from somewhere.
Battlemountainman@reddit
But "line go up" is a good thing. Right?
phaedrus910@reddit
They should start an Onlyfans
PowerandSignal@reddit
Modern problems require modern solutions
smurfalurfalurfalurf@reddit
My annotated version. I think it’s fun how you can see every republican presidency without even checking the years
PowerandSignal@reddit
I don't like being that guy, but it does look like the steepest rise happened from '08 to '16. Not being an economist, I'll assume this stems from the '08 financial meltdown. But this chart won't change many minds on the conservative right. Just sayin'.
Side note: I've always appreciated the irony of this country allowing a black man become president during the worst economic catastrophe since the (not so) Great Depression. Makes for a convenient scapegoat, imo.
Also, I'm all in with the Reagan destroyed everything good camp.
zetia2@reddit
Don't worry this won't be an issue until republicans lose the majority again. Then it will be a "national crisis" according to them.
Tidezen@reddit
Yup, absolutely right. This is psychotic management of the economy.
Antilazuli@reddit
The last security they have will allways be their millitary to force trade or remove any power that challenges their ways of taking out loans on the shoulders of everybody else
Straight-Razor666@reddit
The the Wall Street Journal, "unthinkable" doesn't mean what the masses believe it means. To the masses, "unthinkable" is understood as "unconscionable" or otherwise in a negative sense. However, the bourgeois - the consumers of the content in that filthy paper - they are literally kvelling over the prospect that they have so many people indebted to them. To them, "unthinkable" means, "we could have never dreamed of such a good thing...", or at least this is how I see it lol...
People need to start interpreting what the ruling class and their ghoul slaves say through the lens of class power and domination. When they say, "we need to protect our way of life", they mean their way of life, and this does not mean us unbathed rabble. I'm illustrating this reality to help people see how they - the bouge parasites and their enablers - work to foster false consciousness in the minds of the masses so the masses believe their interests align with ideology that works directly against their own well being. Never is this more clear than in the US since capitalist and ruling class ideology is literally in the very air we breathe. Like the fish cannot see the water it swims in, people cannot see the reality that is capitalist conditioning everywhere, everything, all the time.
Free your minds, Comrades! It is yours and NEVER cede it to forces that want to enslave you!
TrekEveryday@reddit
Just keep printing money…
KviingK@reddit
hey guys, I just became a legal adult of age. What the fuck. How am I supposed to save or plan for this? Everything is expensive and I’m seeing small collapse / signs of it everywhere.
I hope society truly does not expect me or my peers reproductive soon (if at all, really). Roughly 2/3rds of us struggle to afford rent / housing. I can’t imagine how many more are struggling too
Clbull@reddit
How do I plan for this?
I feel like no matter what I do or invest in, I'm one or two economic or ecological event from being pulled into 1929 depression era times...
rematar@reddit
Buy commodities. Oil is a tiny portion of the market, like it or not, we currently need it. When bubbles burst, commodities are often where the money moves to. Plus the middle east situation is likely going to send oil prices soaring. And fertilizer.
Precious metals with practical purposes are probably a good buy as well. Silver, copper, platinum, palladium..
BillyBlaze314@reddit
Prep, off-grid, buy land. That way the world can go to shit, and you still have a home, and something to eat.
Glacecakes@reddit
You don’t
myguygetshigh@reddit
Accept it, it’s good for the world
dezzear@reddit
And for what? To what end have we debased ourselves. To what grand achievement do we celebrate our ruin as a nation?
gizmosticles@reddit
It’s crazy that last time we got to 100% was at the end of a world war and not at the beginning of one
INtuitiveTJop@reddit
It’s just the 2008 roller coaster we’re still on. Don’t worry
WM_@reddit
Everything seems first impossible until it's done.
Ready4Rage@reddit
ELI5: the debt clock (https://www.usdebtclock.org/) says US national debt is 122% of GDP, and has been for years. All public and private debt is 3.3x GDP. But OP's article says we just now exceeded 100% of the economy. Why the different numbers?
Overthemoon64@reddit
Do you remember how much flak obama got for increasing the debt after the 2008 financial crisis? I feel like this is the first I’m hearing about this recently. There is so much other crazy stuff going on
gliMMr_@reddit
was going to ask for a source but they're everywhere. of conditions a free society should have that trigger a new election - this would top it off. the president's burned through confidence, support, and our entire year of given economy.. which doesn't respawn btw
Flintstones_VRV_Fan@reddit
Don’t worry! Pissing off all of our allies and ensuring that we become a pariah state will fix this.
Mirageswirl@reddit
Blatant corruption and losing wars really helps lock in that reserve currency status.
BattleGrown@reddit
I dont get it.. How didn't this war send the world into depression? People investing and gambling like there is tomorrow
jgs952@reddit
It's fine, public debt replaces private leverage which is at long term lows. This makes the economy far more stable and less prone to financial crises.
dashingsauce@reddit
damn bro all uphill since clinton
BusyBanana4205@reddit
So many people under 45 with no children, no houses, and few assets if at all. The people in charge really don’t know how to read a room.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Isn't this kind of an arbitrary statistic? The annual GDP compared to total debt? I guess "100%" just looks scary?
TheBendit@reddit
For some reason it has become orthodoxy that a country must be able to pay back its entire debt from what it produces in a year.
I can borrow 4-5 times my gross income, but countries are only allowed to borrow 1 time their "income". Despite countries being able to literally conjure money out of thin air; something which is heavily frowned upon when I try it.
Human_Frame1846@reddit
Well time to download Robinhood and get some puts on the economy for 3 years out
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
You think itll last 3 years? It might not last this fall when the shit harvests come through and famine takes over. Thats when we separate the men from the boys and numbers on a screen don't matter.
Human_Frame1846@reddit
I say 3 years till we really see the inevitable
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
For all our sakes I hope it sooner than that. The sooner capitalism fully reveals itself as a violent, unsustainable system to the masses the sooner we can try to fix what we have broken with it.
commesicetaithier@reddit
Just like they tried to fix it in Nazi Germany (and we are dealing with much more advanced surveillance and automatization)? The masses can't be relied on, they will always sacrifice everything to chase the scapegoat given by the rich.
Long-Euphoric-Life@reddit
The stock market is disconnected from the economy so I’m sure that would be wise.
LeeKapusi@reddit
Believe it or not, calls.
Mothy187@reddit
I went all in on the prediction market bet saying the government will cofirm aliens before 2027.
If we don't get an invasion im fucked
terpsarelife@reddit
0DTE SPY calls HEARD CHEF!!!!
DexterDubs@reddit
Yall still using Robinhood lol
Human_Frame1846@reddit
Not much of gambler but heard that’s a good place to lose money if I was
KnowledgeMediocre404@reddit
At least slot machines have pretty pictures and blinky lights.
Only-Worldliness2364@reddit
Greed. Human greed. It’s insatiable
jahwls@reddit
The first time it happened we best Nazis. This time we just get Nazis.
pagerussell@reddit
Meanwhile the left hand side of this graph shows it happened before and we were just fine
I swear the critical thinking on this world
Masta0nion@reddit
Guess how we got out of the last one?
I don’t think we can buy the destroyed world for pennies on the dollar this time around.
Or maybe that’s what they’re hoping for. Evil men create conditions for war.
Radiomaster138@reddit
That graph needs to chill.
gwhh@reddit
I am really going to miss living in a free and prosperous nation.
Hollow_Effects@reddit
I don’t think it’s accurate to say it was unthinkable when 1. It’s happened before and 2.People have been yelling for decades that politicians consistently make decisions to put us on course for it happening again.
Educational-Tea-6170@reddit
Gee, i wonder what happened right before 2010. I really hope the powers that be learned the lessons
Nimhtom@reddit
I know this is the collapse reddit, but let's calm our tits. Japan is at 200% gdp to debt and Japan isn't fiat to the most globally used currency. If you wanna doomer, doomer about the climate crisis, US debt is not going to default any time soon, and if it does we will be aware of it in lots of other ways before the number itself becomes the problem.
BoysenberryMoist6157@reddit
It is always good to learn something new. Look up the treasury rates for Japan, and take note of the difference between intergovernmental debt and publicly held debt.
Nimhtom@reddit
Youre right, comparisons can be misleading because they are in separate situations, but I do still believe that the US' place as the most widespread global currency is going to protect it from default. If we see countries exchange dollars for yen en mass then we may have a problem. But as it stands, the US debt is still in US dollars, and as bad as inflating your currency to hell is, its way better than defaulting.
BoysenberryMoist6157@reddit
You do have a point about it being the most widespread currency. That’s mainly because countries need USD to purchase oil, which goes back to the 1974 US - Saudi agreement. Saudi agreed to sell oil exclusively in dollars and invest the revenue in US Treasuries in exchange for security and military protection.
This is also why the Hormuz situation matters so much, since the petrodollar is being challenged. The US decided to initiate a conflict in the region instead of preventing it.
Regarding the inflation, If the US lets inflation run too high, the value of their Treasuries drops and yields would spike dramatically. Needless to say that is not ideal when you’re close to $40T in debt with around a $2T annual deficit. If yields spike, the dollar weakens, imports gets more expensive, and inflation rises even more, creating a negative feedback loop. Which could eventually lead to hyperinflation.
disruptioncoin@reddit
I thought number go up = good?!
CrackingToastGromet@reddit
Considering the idiots in charge, it was the only outcome
AllenIll@reddit
Turns out the class war, fought against us with tax cuts and quantitative easing, is more expensive than a real war.
DrTreeMan@reddit
I'm not saying this is not a bad thing, but obviously from the graph this has happened before and thus is not unthinkable.
zieminski@reddit
It looks like a map of Ohio minus the lake.
Velocipedique@reddit
Went from 35% to 100% during our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Next jump Iran?
sixxtynoine@reddit
Have you tried flipping the graph upside down or using a sharpie to make a correction?
PetuniaPicklePepper@reddit
Maybe put it in rice.
shenan@reddit
Maaaan, this ain't my dad! This is a cell phone! I threw it on the ground! What, you think I'm stupid? I'm not a part of your system.
Packin_Penguin@reddit
Wipe it with a rag?
PrimalSaturn@reddit
Even when you turn it upside it’s still the same lmao
spocktalk69@reddit
Holy fatman batman
Kulty@reddit
ww3 confirmed?
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because graph bad. That means debt is getting bigger. Bigger is not good, and that means it might crash down like the Brawndo stock.
It's expected that denial and refusal of reality will continue. The idea that I think something and I believe it, than that means its true every single time. To be continued.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1t17gda/uh_graph_is_doing_that_upward_thing_again/ojef2er/
Davidat0r@reddit
*of the US economy, I assume
The3rdGodKing@reddit
Let’s cut back on spending it should go down
ubiquitousanathema@reddit
hunnnnid point two