Irish government to withdraw State accommodation for 16,000 Ukrainian refugees
Posted by ObjectiveObserver420@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 83 comments
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
They were welcomed into Ireland in the middle of a housing crisis and given shelter and freedom to keep their lives on track for many years of uncertainty. But it could not be forever. The situation is more stable now. And Ukraine has learned how to get on with life even in the midst of war. And frankly, we just don't have the capacity to keep it up indefinitely. So I hope they will see their time with us positively. And remember that Ireland took in more Ukrainians per capita than nearly all of the rest of Europe. And we will take more if the situation requires it again.
SludgeFilter@reddit
Are you suggesting that they should be sent back? Especially the men will be sent into the meat grinder against their will. If that's not cruel I don't know what is
Asleep_Horror5300@reddit
That's just the reality when your nation is at war for survival.
SludgeFilter@reddit
What if you don't give a shit about whether Nato or Russia controls your Nation and don't want to die for it?
Asleep_Horror5300@reddit
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that this is an issue of choice.
werqulz@reddit
Does a state own its people or does the people own the state?
Asleep_Horror5300@reddit
The state of Ukraine and its people have decided to defend the state. It's not for every individual to decide for themselves.
werqulz@reddit
200 000 AWOL and 50 000 desertions speak another story.
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/14/world/ukraines-new-defense-chief-reveals-200-000-soldiers-have-gone-awol-and-2-million-are-draft-dodging
AnHerstorian@reddit
Soldiers go AWOL all the time. It doesn't mean they have completely deserted. I imagine the majority of them returned to their units.
werqulz@reddit
Nop, around 15-20% have returned to their units.
They even stopped sharing the AWOL and desertion numbers from November 2025. Hard to know what are the numbers nowdays. I am full on pro Ukraine, but it seems like people are tired of the fighting and don't see a point to countinue. Russia "won" a war of agression and the West let Ukraine down while still throwing a broken rope to the ukrainians.
Asleep_Horror5300@reddit
The biggest reason for desertion today is the lack of rotation which is caused by us in the west letting deserters escape here. This is the biggest "broken rope" we're throwing them.
bachh2@reddit
The people who left decided that that they don't wanted to.
SludgeFilter@reddit
You seem to forget that by the grace of God everyone has a choice
Butane9000@reddit
True but that doesn't mean you get to stay in someone else's house (free or subsidized) because of your choice.
SludgeFilter@reddit
Ireland probably takes in a ton of refugees who just say they are sexually confused. The Ukranians in have a legitimate claim that they will be killed if they go home
SamuelClemmens@reddit
It hasn't been for any other refugee for the last 50 years.
No one sent Syrians back to fight ISIS.
Exepony@reddit
Russians fleeing the draft are routinely sent back by EU countries with the argument that being subject to the draft is a civic obligation. Why shouldn't the same logic extend to Ukrainians? If anything, the EU should be denying manpower to Russia when they can, not the other way around.
NoPriorThreat@reddit
Are they really sent back?
SludgeFilter@reddit
Russia doesn't have a draft as far as I am aware
slater126@reddit
They technically do have a draft, but they can’t send them to war outside the country, only training within. And they have been following it from what I’ve seen
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
I haven't heard of men being forced to advance on enemy positions at gun point by Ukraine. I've seen the snatch squad stuff. It's awful and I would hate it. But being force drafted into the army isn't a human rights abuse per se. It's how they treat conscientious objectors and passafists that makes the difference. I assumed the Ukrainians find a way for men to serve and at worst put people in prison for evading the draft and refusing to help the war effort? But that's an assumption on my part. I doubt we get to hear some of the abuses that go on. Perhaps there is a case to accept some refugees if that's a widespread thing
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
It's mostly women and children that came here. The men stayed.
SomeRudeTwat@reddit
So you'd say its more fair that instead of it being unilateral that all capable that have been called have to fight that only those without the means or those who didnt have enough time to leave have to carry the burden alone instead?
SludgeFilter@reddit
Fair would be if we loaded the elites kids and sent them into a hole somewhere near Kramatorsk
SomeRudeTwat@reddit
Alright so you're not against draft dodging unless its rich people doing it, clear thanks man
SludgeFilter@reddit
Notable Examples Petro Poroshenko’s Children: His sons, Oleksii and Mykhailo, and daughters, Yevheniia and Oleksandra, have been documented living and studying in the United Kingdom. Vitali Klitschko’s Children: While he is the Mayor of Kyiv (not an MP), his children Yegor-Daniel, Elizabeth-Victoria, and Max live in Germany and the USA. Oleksandr Gerega’s Family: The family of this wealthy MP (owner of Epicentr) is largely based in Switzerland.
Crazyjackson13@reddit
> we will take more if the situation requires it again
so you can throw them back out again?
Fluffy-Republic8610@reddit
You understand what a refugee is? It's not someone who is applying to migrate. It's someone who is seeking to be protected from imminent danger. Ukraine has vast areas that not dangerous. Well, no more dangerous than a USA high school anyway.
CarelessEquivalent3@reddit
They have been provided with free accommodation for four years, told it was temporary, have been able to look for jobs and find their own accomodation in that time and are now being given six months notice before the free accommodation is being withdrawn, totally fair in my opinion.
Toomanyeastereggs@reddit
They can go home.
Crazyjackson13@reddit
> seem to be doing ok
is this sarcasm or are you being genuine?
NoPriorThreat@reddit
He is genuine, this subreddit is full of russian trolls.
sogladatwork@reddit
You obviously live in a safe place with very little information about the reality of war. 100% you’ve never served and never have any inclination to serve. Your only real worry is that mommy pays the electricity bill on time so your PS5 stays online. How am I doing so far?
Fucking hell. I can’t imagine being so safe and easy that I’d say in a public forum that people from a war-torn country “can go home”, where Russians are literally doing human safaris with fpv drones.
VizzzyT@reddit
In all fairness the Ukrainians are also doing human safaris with the drones, we've all seen it.
QuotableMorceau@reddit
wtf , military vs military ≠ human safari, military vs civilian = human safari , invaders are not victims , ok pumpking ?
VizzzyT@reddit
I've literally watched the drone footage bud
AntonioVivaldi7@reddit
And what did you see in the footage? Can you link it?
VizzzyT@reddit
You can literally google Ukranian military drone safari and get dozens of videos.
Kizik@reddit
(So the answer is no, you can't link it.)
VizzzyT@reddit
You can literally find it yourself. I'm not your AI assistant.
NoPriorThreat@reddit
You seem like one as you hallucinate some videos you have "seen"
geltance@reddit
No Ukrainian drone has hit a civilian?
Practical-Pea-1205@reddit
Of course we can't say there's not a single Ukrainian soldier who has commited a war crime. It is, however, clear that Ukraine is not systematically killing Russian civilians. 273 Russian civilians were killed last year. By contrast, 2348 civilians were killed in Ukrainian-controlled territories if Ukraine. https://notes.citeam.org/strikes-2026-en
geltance@reddit
It's almost like war is happening on Ukrainian soil and not Russian soil right?
Also dead civilian numbers has nothing to do with who the perpetrators were.
QuotableMorceau@reddit
dude , there are videos from several angles of a mbt point blank shooting a cyclist during the first month of the invasion, with the remains of the victim found after they were driven away, the video was shown to Putin's Press Guy and he couldn't challenge them ... what are you talking about here ....
geltance@reddit
Singular events don't mean systematic deliberate.
QuotableMorceau@reddit
"Singular events don't mean systematic deliberate." - you know how the war crimes were proven in Yugoslavia ??? - they found ONE instance where the leadership knew and tried to hide the crimes, ONE cover up proved war crimes were carried out, from that point forward the defence had to prove that any other civilian death was not a war crimes... once premeditation had been established, all deaths are assumed premeditated ... standard crimes against humanity procedure ... this is why Ukraine moved fast to ensure outside investigators arrived asap to investigate/document Bucha massacre ...
Another war crime is the abduction of children from Ukraine, that is such a clear premeditated action that even Ze Prezident is under investigation ( it's such a clear situation that the prosecutors were confident to bring up accusations ) .
You see , it's not that some Russian primitives attacked civilians, but that political/military leadership new about it ....
geltance@reddit
It doesn't have to be a systematic deliberate action to be considered a war crime
Is removing children from a warzone considered abduction? And are you 100% the ICC wasn't used for political points instead of actual justice?
sogladatwork@reddit
Ok, Vlad.
geltance@reddit
Ok banderite
sogladatwork@reddit
You’re a useful idiot, hey?
Zeydon@reddit
Sure, if you don't mind being kidnapped off the street by a fascist press-gang to be sent to die in a pointless meat grinder
QuestionableEthics42@reddit
Would you be calling it pointless if russia was invading america?
Zeydon@reddit
Russia is not invading America. It's the US sacrificing Ukrainians as a proxy to fight Ukraine in the world we actually live in. We’re screwing them over by empowering their fascist Banderites just like how Nazi Germany screwed Ukrainians over by empowering fascist Banderites.
Did the US tolerate Russian missiles in Cuba in 1962?
Imagine yourself in the shoes of an ordinary Ukrainian right now - would you want to be abducted by a fascist press gang to be sent to die needlessly?
Czart@reddit
Do they pay you per buzzword or is your brain just incapable of forming independent thoughts?
Zeydon@reddit
Not that "forming independent thoughts" means someone is automatically correct, but I'd say that developing a perspective over time that deviates from the mainstream default establishment American/Western Exceptionalism propaganda narrative suggests I'm much more capable of forming independent thoughts than the majority who more or less just believe what they're told and get angry when confronted with perspectives and information that contradicts their default programming.
This isn't some novel concept I'm employing though - I simply utilize the concept of "sympathy" and try to imagine what the perspectives of others actually are.
Czart@reddit
You should've just said "west bad. not west good" instead of wasting time on this meaningless world salad.
It's also absolutely expected that a burger is convinced they know more about other countries than people who directly live in them or directly interact with the people from them.
Zeydon@reddit
The reason why I don't just say something so reductive and simplistic is because I recognize the reasons why US imperialism is bad matters. Just because you currently see the world in such simplistic terms (but reversed) doesn't mean everyone else does, or that you necessarily always must. The purpose of introducing depth to the conversation and highlighting other perspectives is to break people out of this Team A Good, Team B Bad mindset.
And as a denizen of the burgerreich, while I don't propose to be an expert on Polish politics, I certainly know a thing about my own nation's propaganda and the egregious ways it deviates from the empire's actual ambitions, so I think I'm at least as qualified to call it out as you are to defend it.
Czart@reddit
Oh it isn't per buzzword it's just per word. Or you convinced yourself that verbosity somehow makes you look smart.
Claiming to understand burger propaganda, but at the same time you've internalised it so deeply that you cannot conceive that things can be happening for reasons other than USA. Shit like this has been happening here for longer than your country even existed. You're not center of the universe.
YoshiSan90@reddit
Americans for the most part don’t even know what a Banderite is, and they definitely don’t sling it as an insult. Change your country tag to Russia like it should be.
QuestionableEthics42@reddit
You're a moron. You somehow completely missed my very obvious point and rambled about some illogical random bs.
It's not fucking dying needlessly, it's protecting their country from an invasion you buffoon. The draft is a necessary evil.
TomTomXD1234@reddit
You have a loose definition of "ok" lol
Exepony@reddit
Is Belgorod "ok"? If yes, then western Ukraine absolutely is too. If not, then where are the refugee protections for residents of Belgorod?
Czart@reddit
I hear that places like china, india, brazil are deeply concerned about humanitarian status of people around the world. I'm sure they can head there instead of this filthy brutal west.
AnHerstorian@reddit
We have no moral obligation to support Russian refugees as their country engages in a brutal invasion. We will once they stop their invasion.
Exepony@reddit
In what sense is it "their country"? Blaming individual citizens for the country's abuses doesn't really make sense even in the case of democracies like the US or Israel, because any single citizen's influence on the respective government's decision-making process is vanishingly small. For a Russian citizen, it is exactly zero.
International law on refugees recognizes this reality. There's no convention or protocol or treaty that says "refugees are only refugees if from a good country". You are a refugee if you're fleeing your country because your life is in danger, period. There is an argument to be made that if moving within your country of residence gets you out of that danger, then you shouldn't be allowed to seek refuge abroad, but in any case this would apply equally to Russians and Ukrainians.
Now, I'm under no illusions about international law. It is to western, and other, governments as corruption laws are to Putin, or any other (aspiring) autocrat: to be employed against enemies, not friends. But in this case there isn't even a law to be employed, because, again, international law does not care what "side" your country of residence is on.
AnHerstorian@reddit
Everyone living under a dictatorship has personal agency. They aren't responsible for the actions of their government, but they are responsible for how they behave under it. Supporting the war effort is a choice, opposing the war effort is a choice, being indifferent is a choice.
A significant number of Russians who have opposed this awful invasion have, in fact, been granted asylum in Europe because they do face imminent threat of serious harm or death at the hands of their government.
Russians who are indifferent to the war but have been displaced do not face an imminent threat of serious harm or death because the vast majority of Russia is not at risk of being targeted. They can easily be resettled there. Meanwhile, all of Ukraine is at risk of being attacked, including in Lviv which is almost as far away from the front lines as you can get.
Russians who support the war meanwhile pose a threat to the national security, and there is absolutely no legal or moral obligation for any state to put its national security at risk.
zar_lord@reddit
Bet you're one of those Nazis who boo'd everyone at ANZAC day judging by your Australian tag. Fuck off cunt.
Green_Space729@reddit
Are they?
Intelligent_Wafer562@reddit
The concept of a Ukrainian "refugee" in Western Europe makes absolutely no sense. They had to skip over several safe countries to get there. They would be economic immigrants at that point. People should no longer be considered refugees the moment they reach a safe country. I don't understand why international law doesn't agree with that.
BenXL@reddit
Under the UN refugee convention people can claim asylum in any country they wish. This is to stop countries neighbouring war zones from becoming overwhelmed. Like we've found out before.
VizzzyT@reddit
Because that would mean only a handful of countries would have to accept all the refugee burden whereas islands like the UK or Ireland would accept none.
There's a war in Ukraine. This created refugees. Poland should not be forced to take every last one.
Intelligent_Wafer562@reddit
Poland can share this burden with Moldova and Romania, and they don't have to be a burden because they can get jobs and assimilate into these societies, which is easier for these countries that are more culturally similar to Ukraine.
wild_man_wizard@reddit
Hungary also has a border with Ukraine, but apparently your Russian talking points haven't been updated since Orban lost.
VizzzyT@reddit
Those are just 3 countries, one being the poorest in Europe.
All of Europe is "culturally similar" to Ukraine. The aren't exactly many major differences between me and the dozens of Ukrainians I know other than language.
Europe was directly responsible for the war in Ukraine. Is directly responsible for fueling it and for funding Russia's military. Therefore Europe should take in the refugees and the luck of geography should not privilege Ireland or Portugal to take in 0.
new_account_wh0_dis@reddit
Leaving it to less economically strong border states to absorb the impact isn't great. EU also works as a block so a as far as I understand a lot of the refugee rights are given under Temporary Protection Directive which it and its extensions have been unanimous. Stranded procedures would follow Dublin Regulations which has the EU member they enter dealing with it. So it just woulda been a bunch of pressure on Poland.
I get you are trying to bring this to a broader south America/Africa refugee paths but Ukraine borders the EU so they arent passing anything to get there.
Intelligent_Wafer562@reddit
Countries bordering Ukraine are perfect since they are cheaper to live in, and are more culturally similar, so they can better accommodate Ukrainians.
new_account_wh0_dis@reddit
A country cannot just absorb a 20% increase in population. No country can better accommodate them like that, it's would just be economic ruin. And culturally similar? That's like saying mexico is culturally similar to the US.
The countries were smart enough to share the burden so they could actually accommodate the number coming in. Neither of us even live there so not sure why you're pissing your pants over it.
Intelligent_Wafer562@reddit
Mexico is culturally similar to certain United States, specifically the States that border Mexico.
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
The EU is a joint movement zone. You don’t ‘skip over’ anything to get from Poland to Ireland.
LetsGoForPlanB@reddit
The concept of an African/Middle Eastern "refugee" in Western Europe makes absolutely no sense. They had to skip over several safe countries to get there. They would be economic immigrants at that point. I don't understand why international law doesn't agree with that and keeps the refugee status no matter where refugees go.
RavagedCookies@reddit
Fyi. As a news source, this isn't exactly a top tier organisation.
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