How has moving to a less "prestigious" company affected your career?

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zicher@reddit

Having big tech on your resume (especially for an extended period) is really all you need as far as clout goes.

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It kind of seems like this is becoming less true nowadays. I spent the first ~decade of my career at FB/Snap/Stripe, and for a long time I could pretty much guarantee an interview from just dropping my resume on any SWE listing I found. Nowadays, very much not the case. Not sure how much of that is just the overall market being down, but I suspect at least part of it is that the big companies hired like crazy during the pandemic and now recruiters don't assign as much value to just having gotten a job at one of them

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apartment-seeker@reddit

> Not sure how much of that is just the overall market being down, but I suspect at least part of it is that the big companies hired like crazy during the pandemic and now recruiters don't assign as much value to just having gotten a job at one of them This. A lot of us have seen plenty of basically incompetent engineers come from bigtech.

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jawohlmeinherr@reddit

Alright, so I guess people from no-name local companies are doomed if FAANG is considered low bar.

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apartment-seeker@reddit

I can see you are butt-hurt because you work at one, but you know quite well that I am saying it's just a poor signal, as opposed to saying it's a "low bar"

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jawohlmeinherr@reddit

Not at all friend, I am lamenting for developers in the market. Big Tech can at least go to F500 and F500 can go to local companies, but people at local companies, where can they go?

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apartment-seeker@reddit

> but people at local companies, where can they go? They def have this problem for sure, but I reckon it's always been this way (?) I am not 100% sure what "local company" really means, tbh. I have only ever worked for startups, and only know people who have worked at startups and/or bigtech.

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And5555@reddit

If you’re referring to lately, I think it has more to do with the job market being terrible right now. In 2020, I heard back from like 20/24 applications. In the last couple months, like 1/8. This is with a top resume.

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robertbieber@reddit

I dunno, hopefully one day we'll get a good opportunity to disambiguate. But in that 2021-2024-ish timespan all the big tech companies were ramping up their hiring like mad and it was definitely significantly easier to get in. I just can't imagine that not having an impact on the way recruiters and hiring managers see those companies on a resume in the future

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third-water-bottle@reddit

BIRGing is for losers. It all boils down to what you did in said small company.

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mike_the_eighth@reddit

I work at a large insurance company and we interview FAANG people pretty much exclusively, not sure why/how but that’s my observation. Anyways, I do not care literally at all at that point. This is not like one of those famous comedian podcasts where they talk about being famous comedians. We talk shop and your backstory/credentials don’t matter.

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arelath@reddit

I worked for Microsoft for about 7 years, but I moved to a less prestigious, but well known software company. Even though it's been years, the Microsoft name alone seems to impress most interviewers. So I doubt that alone will hurt your future job prospects. However, I would say moving hurt my technical growth more than anything. I learned more about how to actually make software, from architecture, bug management, working with large teams and release management than the other 15 years of my career. Microsoft really knows how to write software well and manage projects. They just can't seem to choose the right products to ship and market them well. If you're moving just for the title, I'd say yes, it probably will hurt your career. Titles vary a lot and senior might be a very lateral move depending on the company. If you're given real, expanded responsibilities then probably not. It could even be beneficial depending on your responibities. Lots of people go back to Microsoft as well.

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drew_eckhardt2@reddit

What I did had a bigger impact on my career than where I did it. For example, work across the 500 engineer organization as a principal engineer at Box got me hired as a L7 senior staff SWE at Google. Leading projects at startups got me to SWE3 at Amazon. Higher titles generally mean opportunity to have impact with broader scope and value to the business.

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Clyde_Frag@reddit

This is assuming the title isn't inflated. Lots of places throw around the title "staff" or "principal" engineer when the person is just a high performing IC without the technical leadership aspects.

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hiddenhare@reddit

> a high performing IC without the technical leadership aspects I was under the impression that with dual-track promotion, the engineering track is designed to minimise leadership responsibilities, so that it's possible to promote excellent engineers without falling victim to the [Peter Principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle). Have some companies been messing this up? I'd expect the duties of a high-ranking "Something Engineer" role to include greenfield research projects, architecture, ownership of large or important parts of the codebase, consultation as an in-house expert, and teaching. If Very Senior Engineers are taking charge of other engineers, then what's the distinction between the engineering promotion track and the engineering management promotion track?

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Clyde_Frag@reddit

To me what you described is technical leadership. What managers do I call people leadership.

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hiddenhare@reddit

> what you described is technical leadership Most of the work I listed could be carried out successfully without ever telling another engineer what to do (beyond the low-powered control that equally-ranked engineers normally exert over one another, like code review and design documents). If you've gone to the trouble of carving out an Asshole Engineer Unsuited For Management role, putting that engineer in charge of a junior would defeat the point, wouldn't it?

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danny4kk@reddit

This bugs the heck out of me. I've seen this and it's not even 'high-performing IC' in some places. I worked for a company where titles meant something. Those people at staff level would be consulted, and respected for their opinions. Titles weren't handed out like candy. We got acquired by a big org and their employee titles are so inflated, their mid level engineers have staff titles not to mention people are 'head of x', 'lead' or even 'directors' and yet have 0 subordinates under them. I got consulted on the matter at one point as HR wanted to add more titles higher up above Staff to allow people progress more. FML.

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Far_Monk@reddit

I don't know why more people don't just say what companies they worked at on here, makes comments so much better

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onFilm@reddit

A lot of people are afraid of not being anonymous online. I'll never understand why.

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MatthewMob@reddit

Because people in the internet are fucking crazy. First time here?

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onFilm@reddit

First time was back in 1999, so definitely not, lol. Most people aren't fucking crazy and having a mental seperation between "the internet" and "real life" is super odd, personally. You're just as likely to run into a "crazy" person in person as you are to online, on the phone, etc.

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ding_dong_dasher@reddit

that user seems fairly comfortable with being identifiable, assuming username is real name but for somebody otherwise trying to remain anonymous, that level of specificity basically puts anybody motivated 30-minutes away from a successful dox

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DistanceSolar1449@reddit

He’s got 30YoE and probably is near retirement, he’s ran out of fucks to give. Probably the right move. People should either stay fully anonymous, or just blast their info because it’s not gonna hurt them at that point.

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chain_letter@reddit

Some of us jerk off on this site

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ShoePillow@reddit

And?

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ahspaghett69@reddit

Imo company does not matter much anymore, it used to be a bigger deal in the days of unicorns but also the work culture for a lot of big companies has eroded a lot - Amazon and Microsoft are known as pretty tough places to work for example and not in a good way In other words I agree with this poster, it's more about what you did moreso than where you did it

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hidden-monk@reddit

Know couple engineers who function as Tech Leads but have title as “Staff” .

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Legit_Shadow@reddit

is there really a difference between Staff and Tech Lead?

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Cute_Activity7527@reddit

For many companies Staff Engineer simply means „This employee was with us for so long, losing them would be a big hit to our continuity plan”.

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hurley_chisholm@reddit

There is but there’s no real point in trying to create a rule-based definition of the distinction because it means something different everywhere you go. If you must have a definition, theres a whole book you can read by Will Larson called *Staff Engineer: Leadership beyond the management track*. Fortunately, the core definition chapter is available to read for free: https://staffeng.com/guides/staff-archetypes/

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Leading_Yoghurt_5323@reddit

big name gets attention, but real experience makes you runable in future roles, pick where you’ll grow more not just look better

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YareSekiro@reddit

If you have already worked at MSFT or any of the FAANGs and then moved to a start up I think it doesn’t matter, I have seen a lot of ex-Google ex-meta people working for 30 people start ups. If you have never been to one of them then that might get you down leveled or skipped when the FAANGs interview you, from what I understand.

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Honest_Equivalent490@reddit

I don't think Microsoft is as "prestigious" as it once was, especially depending on the division your working in etc. Going to Juniper/HPE in my mind is like a "prestigious" lateral move.

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Unstable-Infusion@reddit

If anything, I'd scrutinize someone from Microsoft, Meta, or Apple more than i would from smaller companies. I've been unimpressed with code coming from them, and have had bad experiences with hiring people from them, and have seen people i didn't respect land jobs there.

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doberdevil@reddit

Working at two of the big tech companies didnt make me write better code, although the mentors and learning helped a lot. What I DID learn was what it takes to ship to millions, possibly billions of customers. Code is only a single aspect of that.

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deliciousnaga@reddit

I don't necessarily want to work at the big tech companies—but I am curious about learning how to ship to millies and billies, mainly for my own growth. Do you have any advise/readings/etc for learning outside of that environment?

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doberdevil@reddit

If I was forced to sum it up, it would be that what you're doing probably doesn't scale. I don't think you need to work for a big tech company to learn these things, but now that I work at a much smaller company, I realize the importance doesn't always register to people that don't have the same experience. Logging and observability - how fast can you find the root cause and determine a fix? How fast (without a code change) can you ease customer pain for something you missed? How fast can you push a fix? High impact/risk change or low impact/risk change? Your performance testing was likely just a check box on your release checklist. Poor performance and user experience is the second fastest way to piss off your customers. Security is way more important than you realize, and your colleagues know as much or even less than you do. You need more expertise. Your test coverage is abysmal, no matter how warm and fuzzy your code coverage metric makes you feel. Of course, if you have a niche internal application with 8 users, maybe these things aren't so important. Everything is a tradeoff. Understanding the tradeoffs is another important thing to learn.

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

Msft has definitely lost some shine, it's good to know that there are folks who view it as comparable to HPE.

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YK5Djvx2Mh@reddit

If Im looking for a Software Engineer for a network automation role. Im most likely taking the HPE Software Engineer over the general Microsoft Software Engineer. Now, if that Microsoft Engineer worked on Azure or something similar, it would be a bit closer of a call. Specialization and role clarity matters a lot

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

It's funny you bring this up since I do work in Azure (networking infra)

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DandyPandy@reddit

I don’t know. I’ve known people who went to at HPE at various points over the past decade and every one of them has said it’s a clusterfuck. There are good individual managers, but the overall leadership is consistently poor. About the same as Dell.

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VideoRare6399@reddit

The important takeaway is that prestige is in the eye of the beholder. Some people will think MSFT is gold while others not so much. The name of your company doesn’t mean shit compared to what your experience illustrates your capable of and the kind of person you are IMO. Company names can and do matter but not in the black/white way people think. (same goes for school)

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lphomiej@reddit

In the real world (where 90% of jobs reside), once you have Microsoft on your resume, you're basically validated by them. It has insane brand perception. Juniper... most people don't know what that is, so its completely random. For example, any HR person will easily recognize Microsoft and find it impressive.

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Unhappy-Ladder-4594@reddit

Yep, agreed. Microsoft has never exactly been an innovator in any event. They just steal what other companies have made, and have a big enough legal team to get away with it.

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HRApprovedUsername@reddit

Holy copium

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ham_plane@reddit

It's really not. Microsoft isn't a bad company or anything, it's just a large legacy company that is hard to have impact at, doesn't pay particularly well, and makes a lot of shitty software.

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HRApprovedUsername@reddit

And Juniper / HPE isn't a larger/legacy company? Because HPE is sure known for their amazing printers and does anybody know Juniper?

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jt_redditor@reddit

hpe doesn't do printers, hp inc does, different companies

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HRApprovedUsername@reddit

ok so they're both unknown

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DandyPandy@reddit

Networking people know Juniper. Once upon a time, they were considered to be superior to Cisco products. I haven’t been in the networking world for a long time, so I don’t know what that landscape is like these days. HPE seems to have a knack for ruining anything good they acquire.

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ham_plane@reddit

Oh, I wasn't comparing the two, just talking about Microsoft in a vacuum...I've never really heard anything about Juniper, but my impression of HPE is not a good one. Actually, you're right. Comparing the two, Microsoft is probably the more prestigious one (solely based on my vague notions, lol)

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Ilikeyounott@reddit

Less biased person 🤣

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publicclassobject@reddit

It’s basically still 2nd tier below top AI Labs and Quant/HFT shops.

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Honest_Equivalent490@reddit

Like others have said it can be subjective, but to me it wouldn't be 2nd tier.

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kccoder34@reddit

This is the problem with "prestige", its all subjective. A .NET engineer with Microsoft experience could be huge, even more so depending on the team. But it could be a detriment at some start ups given their culture or internal opinions.

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snakebitin22@reddit

I went from a faang to a startup to a fortune 10. It’s all relative, dude. Just get the least shittiest gig you can find and try to make the best of it. Nobody cares about prestige at the end of the day. We’re all working towards the same goal. We just want to keep from starving, being homeless, and maybe have a few nice things.

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

That's totally fair and pretty in line with my own thinking. I guess when I talk about prestige, I'm mainly thinking of how it will impact my ability to find a new job should I decide to leave or get laid off.

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snakebitin22@reddit

Honestly, in the grand scheme of things it really does not matter. When I am interviewing a candidate and when it comes to their resumes, I mostly just skim through and make sure that they appear to have done the role in some fashion. I really don’t care where they did the role. I’ll be able to sort out whether they have the skills I am looking for in \*the environment my team supports\* during the interview process. That part is on me to ask the right questions.

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ZeroMomentum@reddit

I agree with cricket. I care about my work but I dont care about the name of my company that much. Prestige is mostly in your own head

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Ok_Slide4905@reddit

Seriously. Get that bag however you can.

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ExistingSelection151@reddit

Great way to frame it! Who are we trying to impress with the so called "prestigious" company?

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MyUsrNameWasTaken@reddit

Is Juniper not more prestigious than Microslop??!

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james__jam@reddit

Interesting. Doesnt the highest bidder just wins - regardless of prestige? Or is that just me?

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ElasticSpeakers@reddit

Do you mean to say you'll work for whoever pays the most at that moment no matter what?

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Rymasq@reddit

No one knew about companies like Anthropic/OpenAI until recently, but you better bet OpenAI was paying top dollar for all the AI people that got them to where they were. Prestige is the most overrated thing in tech, and with the pace at which companies emerge today, it's pretty much disappearing. Any company can become "prestigious" overnight.

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james__jam@reddit

Probably not no matter what. But generally speaking - yes. It’s just lack of prestige is not a deal breaker for me

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duiwithaavgwenag@reddit

For the most part yeah. But if it was comparable no name company to google and the difference was less than 10% pay I’m going google.

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Unstable-Infusion@reddit

I picked my last job based on ethics. Got offers from multiple mag7s and took a job at a smaller company instead.

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bombaytrader@reddit

Thats correct. Usually highest bidders are companies with deep pockets which attract top talent.

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

I tend to agree with this too, mostly asking just to get an idea of what to expect whenever I start job hunting again.

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Rymasq@reddit

Company prestige is very overrated in tech. Also very subjective. For example, some people think Palantir is a top of the line company, others think less of people for working there. Or, another good example, Amazon is sometimes viewed as a sweat shop, and other times people think it's some amazing ground breaking company. Some say it's the same as Google or Netflix and others say it's on the same level as a consultancy. Salesforce is another weird one, they're so well known but as far as engineering is concerned, they're hardly ground breaking, a glorified Capital One.

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libidinal-economy@reddit

if you have one year at one of these companies then leave and do something you actually care about unless you have a financial need to milk it for longer. at a real company, you are able to cultivate an engineering culture firsthand and in a novel, personal way. at "prestigious" companies, the entire dynamic is that of being stuck with a system you have no say in. it's much better in hardcore research departments, or at least used to be, but cognitively you are still preoccupied with navigating some stupid deeply nested hierarchy that is antithetical to genuinely interesting work. if you want to make something interesting, being a part of the foundation of an organization is deeply rewarding. research departments used to be absolutely fascinating places at these stupid companies but i am currently seeing the death of that culture. this is from the perspective of a research engineer if that has any meaning on this sub

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2this4u@reddit

Between holidays and schedule, I only work on 52% of days in the year.

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catecholaminergic@reddit

Step down to step up. I'm now director of engineering. Getting into management has been really positive. I've stabilized a disorganized, high-turnover org into a collection of teams each focused on separate projects. I've set up a leadership pipeline and will soon have another manager working under me. I'm mentoring juniors and they're growing fast. I still do IC, and miss that being my sole focus. But getting off the leaf-level of the org chart has been a priority, and moving into strategy has been worth it.

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LittleLordFuckleroy1@reddit

Don’t care. Less stress, I have enough money. I don’t give a fuck about “career” now that I’m mostly independent.

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throwaway_0x90@reddit

I'm not sure I'd call Juniper _"less prestigious"_, their building is visible from across the street of Google's Sunnyvale campus and some people from there meet their Google-employee-friends for lunch sometimes. I bet employees have been poached in between Juniper & Google a bunch of times.

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nonasiandoctor@reddit

Thanks for the tip on the restaurant, I just got an offer for that location lol

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throwaway_0x90@reddit

excellent, you got the nice swimming pool too. 😁

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nonasiandoctor@reddit

There's a swimming pool!?

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throwaway_0x90@reddit

yup! and a music room if you practice violin and a bunch of stuff. You'll love it. People say the food there is better than the mountain view campus. I think they're equal but you have to walk/bike further to get to places at mountain view.

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nonasiandoctor@reddit

Wow, and people actually have time to do these things, they aren't working 12+ hour days?

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throwaway_0x90@reddit

some work really late or very early so they have a few hours to do whatever hobby they're into. There are gyms and showers at both campuses too. Along with the free food some people practically live on campus. Just bring your personal laptop to work and you can hangout somewhere gaming or Netflix on Google's Internet(guess network, don't use corp!) and electricity and food. Bring a change of clothes and use the showers. Why even go home? especially if you're single with no spouse or kids waiting for you. 😅

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nonasiandoctor@reddit

I heard they even do laundry there?

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throwaway_0x90@reddit

Yup, there are laundry machines on campus :)

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

Thanks for sharing. It sounds like you're quite familiar with Juniper, have you heard/noticed any changes since it was acquired? I'd be interested to see what influence HPE has had on Juniper so far.

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throwaway_0x90@reddit

I work at Google, but as far as I know the Juniper people are happy

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AfternoonIndividual7@reddit

Many people do complain about the perks and comfortable life missing at lesser known firms.

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Pineapple-dancer@reddit

I moved from NASA to a small biotech firm. Did the prestige and title have an impact - yes. It boosted and still boost me down the road. Grateful for both experiences.

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CorrectPeanut5@reddit

I started my career at would have been the international equivalent to a fortune 10 (it was privately held). What I miss about that had more to do with it being a private company and not subject to juicing the financials every quarter. They really made long term decisions. They valued engineering input from the rank and file. They invested in professional development. One guy figured something out that saved the company a ton of money, they gave him a million dollar bonus. I find mid cap companies in fly over states to be the best fit for me. They are willing to pay, usually less driven by quarterly numbers, and if senior management from FAANG companies thinks it's beneath them to work there. Win win.

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GlobalCurry@reddit

One place I worked at was great until they hired a senior manager from FAANG, maybe I should target midwest more.

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Tasty-Property-434@reddit

Worked for shit companies my entire career. Amazon for bit but they probably count as shit now too. AMA

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GlobalCurry@reddit

I like how all of these AI posts think everyone wants to work at FAANG and if you don't your career is instantly over.

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prschorn@reddit

At one point I cared about titles and prestige, went to Staff, Sr staff and then principal engineer in big companies, now I'm in consulting and leading a few teams as a dev lead, making more money than before, working less and way less stress.

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Nemosaurus@reddit

I work from home and eat lunch with my family and have time for hobbies and side projects now. 10/10

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randbytes@reddit

Why did you choose microsoft and decide to stay there for all those years. there is the answer.

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

I wasn't staying for the prestige, I stayed because I have a good manager and interesting work, as well as good WLB until recently.

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gerlstar@reddit

So why leave if you have wlb. Just for extra dough?

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theasianpianist@reddit (OP)

WLB has gotten worse, doesn't seem like it'll improve. Feels like a lot of the infra we use is degrading, have had a lot more fires to put out recently. At the HPE job they're still building out some of the infra/processes that will support development, so I'd have a chance to provide input on how things are designed and hopefully make them more robust.

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randbytes@reddit

do what you want. good luck.

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spaaackle@reddit

Hey OP. Can you lmk what you’d recommend for someone to get a job at MS? I’ve got 25 yoe and been a people leader last 5. MS has always been a dream job for me, but their job listings tend to read a bit vague so I’m know I’m short on skills.. but unsure which..

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ThlintoRatscar@reddit

It lowered my paycheque, improved my work/life balance, and limited my broader impact. Essentially, I traded a lonely but powerful professional life for a very satisfying personal life. In turn, I have had opportunities to influence technology and business that I wouldn't have gotten at the megacorp as a result of being significantly more technically expert than my peers at the less prestigious place. Further, I feel the technical challenges are fundamentally harder because I don't have the technical experts and infinite money options at my disposal. As a human, I feel like I have grown more than I would have and while I miss the extra money and prestige, it never would have gone to super impactful things anyway. I'm happy.

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TinStingray@reddit

No one thinks about the prestige of your company more than you and your coworkers. Nobody will ever be more impressed with you and your thing than you are. Everyone else is too worried about their own status and prestige to notice.

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ding_dong_dasher@reddit

having one successful big tech stint in my experience has obvious value you should really be using that experience to determine if you want to ladder-climb at that org, or if not what you actually want instead think when you get past 10 YoE the incentive to care about what optimizes your ability to hop-around constantly starts to fade, what matters is how you convey your experience into high impact/deep stickiness in a company you want to be in longer term

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bowlochile@reddit

It doesn’t matter.

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Drinka_Milkovobich@reddit

Prestige helps with getting jobs in the future and raising capital, that’s pretty undeniable. However, since you’ve already been at Microsoft, you’re gonna make it past the resume filter anywhere. So in your case it is largely meaningless imo unless you’re chasing that tiny bit extra to FAANG.

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foundboots@reddit

I'd stick it out at MSFT if only because I believe the equity is stable and has room to grow in line with other big tech. HPE valuation is currently at ATH and up 100% in the past year. Add to this, it would take a lot for me personally to move from FAANG (adjacent) to lower tier. No brainer offer + great team + great fit. If there's uncertainty, I'd personally hedge and wait it out. Switch teams if you want a change of scenery and wait for something you're thrilled about.

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demosthenesss@reddit

A lot of time you trade title/company prestige for a much better actual job/experience. Most prestigious companies you are a cog in a machine and your impact is significantly lower as a result. You want to ensure you have the right combination of 1) career growth/impact, 2) compensation, and 3) liking your job. In your tradeoff here, it's most common that more prestigious experiences emphasize (2) and less so emphasize (1).

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SnooAvocados7557@reddit

I left Microsoft for a “less prestigious” company for more comp and better wlb. So far recruiters have been reaching out at the same rate as when I was at MSFT. The upside is that I am now working on a tech stack that isn’t so specific to Microsoft so it feels more relevant in the industry

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Proper_Baker_8314@reddit

Working as an AI Engineer in Quant at a big bank. Startup scene in London is crazy right now for AI Engineers (agentic) and I'm getting called about jobs at startups for twice my salary. I've only been working three years - only about a year doing agentic stuff - but its impossible to get anything done at a big company. I love my coworkers and I'm still learning a lot, but I could be building faster at a smaller firm. Plus the pay is so much better. Is it time to leave even though I'm mostly happy here? Will the Agentic AI talent-drought be over soon...? is this my only shot to bag a crazy paying role?

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bombaytrader@reddit

MSFT and prestige lol. Optimize for your impact. I would rather hire someone from Juniper who is solid, ambitious, down to earth, curious, impactful, than someone from MSFT or GOOG. Don't worry about prestige unless its anthropic, openAi, GDM.

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publicclassobject@reddit

I went from Amazon to crypto startups. Comp is similar but more volatile. Remote is default. Work is interesting but less “impactful.” Jobs are plentiful because now I’m specialized.

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SDplinker@reddit

Probably matters for 1% of engineers. Maybe less.

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truedima@reddit

Its a different kind of relief to know that I don't have one anymore!

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Jumpy_Fuel_1060@reddit

If you're working at a prestigious company is what you look for, it will impact you. There is an undeniable network effect of working at a large, prestigious company. However, there is also a slog mindset you can get trapped into as well. If you stay for the network effect, but get trapped in the slog, then you're just on the treadmill. When I left Microsoft for a smaller company way more in my interest set, I felt terrible for a few months. I found my career trajectory was found within. I had to be more opinionated and self directed and take a stand for things. If you want to lead, and make a difference in your field, you will find a way to do it. Working at big tech is not a guarantee of making a difference. If you get into a job that is a slog, leave, regardless if it's at big tech or tiny startup.

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Realistic_Yogurt1902@reddit

Define "less prestigious" :) I would say it this way - if the headhunter/recruiter doesn't know your current company, the probability of even opening your LinkedIn account or CV decreases. Having top companies in your CV is definitely a huge plus, but they should reach your CV first anyway. That's why there are so many people with "ex-Amazon", "ex-Meta", "ex-Google" in their titles on LinkedIn. You would probably be "ex-Microsoft" :)

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ecethrowaway01@reddit

I went from Meta -> Microsoft in a very special deal, and I certainly am getting less attention from HFTs. The compensation is a bit of a special situation so career isn't relaly impacted.

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