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Deviant517@reddit

Hilarious that even “democratic socialism” relies on infinite growth models despite criticizing cApItAlIsM

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RashmaDu@reddit

… You think Denmark criticises capitalism? One of the most capitalist countries in the world, moreso than the US, according to some metrics of e.g. market freedom? What a ridiculous thing to say

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Deviant517@reddit

I’m not talking about the people of Denmark, I’m talking about the populist democrats like AOC Bernie and the midwit college students that point at Denmark and make the soyjak face in real time

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You really think that AOC and Bernie are not aware of that fact? I think you're projecting the strawmanned version of their beliefs made by right-wing idiots, who always respond to their thesis "Denmark has a better socioeconomic model than us, we should emulate them" with either:

Noooo Denmark is communist, how dare you even suggest that you filty commie ):<

Denmark is actually capitalist as well!!! Checkmate liberal, I am very intelligent

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Deviant517@reddit

I’m not. Bernie/AOC never address the exact plan of emulation for universal healthcare. Also do not tell me I am strawmaning. I went to college and spent tons of time in the Econ department for classes then had to deal with political science majors that had a lot to say out loud and not a lot to expand on when asked about their ideas. I’m not someone’s boomer uncle sitting around complaining about the “demoncrats”

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Phteven_j@reddit

And yet Denmark consistently is rated as one of (if not the top) happiest places on the planet. So the system can't be ALL that bad, can it...?

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Acceptable-Bed-1612@reddit

Denmark is one of the happiest places in the world because they are a small developed country in Western Europe that does not have to worry about national security since the US subsidizes their sovereignty.

Whatever system they have will work fine due to their availability to allocate resources to the citizens well being. If America exits the picture then suddenly society in idealic Western Europe in general will be a lot less pretty when they have to spend their money to keep Russia from bulldozing them.

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PopaBjorn@reddit

Denmark sent about as many troops to die in Iraq and Afghanistan per capita as the US did and spends more per capita helping Ukraine. They spend a very large chunk of their military budget on US-made materiel. They even buy US fighter jets, which really pisses off their good neighbours the Swedes, who make their own, and would absolutely love to partner up with DK.

And what do they get in return? "What did Denmark ever do for us?" and "Nice Greenland you've got there..."

Poor Danes, trying to suck up to the US at every opportunity but getting nothing but threats and abuse in return.

I doubt they'll keep buying American after this.

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Acceptable-Bed-1612@reddit

Per capita statistics mean absolutely nothing in war.

And given the US has the most technologically advanced and powerful military and equipment the world has ever seen, Denmark has the privilege of buying their equipment, not the other way around. You don’t see the US selling F16’s to China or Russia for obvious reasons.

And let’s not pretend Denmark sent their troops to the ME out of some gesture of friendship or something. That is an extremely naive interpretation of the matter and not how geopolitics works. Denmark was involved because having the most powerful nation in the world in your good graces is obviously beneficial to them.

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mischling2543@reddit

Russia couldn't even bulldoze flat and poor as shit Ukraine lmao, it's hilarious that Americans are still coping about Russia to justify getting fucked by their government

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Acceptable-Bed-1612@reddit

Maybe it has something to do with the fact the US has sent over $100,000,000,000 valued military aid to Ukraine.

You know, the whole subsidizing their sovereignty part? You aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed, are you buddy?

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mischling2543@reddit

"subsidizing" when the vast majority is in the form of loans that Ukraine is expected to pay back.

And if Russia were a real threat to anyone other than their immediate neighbours, Western equipment imports wouldn't bog them down in trench warfare on a flat plain.

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Acceptable-Bed-1612@reddit

You’re either a troll making things up or a complete imbecile who knows nothing about the topic. Either way I prefer to spend my time discussing these types of things with people that have triple digit IQ. Have a great day champ.

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Novel_Purpose710@reddit

Mostly Danish, they're aware and keeping it Danish. Try to live amongst the recent indian immigrants here and tell me you're happy.

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calmbill@reddit

I understand that part off that is a reluctance to be seen as a complainer there. With the right adjustments in attitude, they could be as unhappy as we are.

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Kurt805@reddit

The idea would be then that you would also benefit from this system when you get old and fat. The question however is whether they're will be enough young after your generation to uphold the system.

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Organic_Dream_380@reddit (OP)

Old people have a much higher net worth, and own all of societies assets anyway. Why should broke young people also pay for their healthcare?

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Kurt805@reddit

This is too reductionist. I guarantee the 40 year old working professional is paying way more than a 20 year old janitor. In both Denmark and the US, people will find ways to channel their frustrations with being broke into avenues that don't really matter at the end.

I've lived in the EU and US, and at the end you get roughly the same out of life. It's just a choice as to whether your cash goes to corporations or the government. The EU afforded me two more weeks of vacation though.

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cplusequals@reddit

That's demonstrably untrue. The median American lives a much more materially wealthy lifestyle specifically because we don't disincentivize ambition. In America you have the choice to not work as hard when you prioritize leisure over more income, but the decline of the modern welfare state isn't just a theoretical warning but a very measurable reality. You guys haven't been producing enough to keep up.

This guy is Danish? The median American consumes $66k PPP adjusted wealth each year in comparison to an equivalently adjusted $44k in Denmark. That gap is pretty tangible. You can take two weeks unpaid time off and have cash to spare in comparison. I think if you drop the percentile from the median down to the 20% mark in the US you get an equivalent lifestyle to the median Dane. Of course this is just material wealth. Culture generally plays a larger role in terms of quality of life, but imagine you could have both if you guys wised up enough to stop believing in government Santa-ism.

I will give the Danes some credit though. Their state pension program is just outright superior to our social security which is essentially a ponzi scheme. Unlike universal healthcare, that is actually a decent way to provide end of life assistance.

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Kurt805@reddit

Americans throw around dollar amounts in conversations like this, but the fact is you also need less cash in EU countries.

For example if you have a kid here in the US, at least in CA which has better laws than most places, the mom will get like a month of maternity leave, and then it is straight to daycare. You're then bleeding 1.5-3k a month for that. Whereas in the EU you will get the lion's share of your paycheck for a year on parental leave, and then daycare is free.

There are examples all over like this. Yes, you make more cash in the US, but for an average person that extra cash gets vacuumed up by businesses so in the end you have similar lifestyles

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FinancialElephant@reddit

Whereas in the EU you will get the lion's share of your paycheck for a year on parental leave, and then daycare is free.

This whole notion of letting your children be raised by strangers is insane enough to me. To go as far as to subsidize having your kids being raised by strangers as though this is normal or makes any sense is bonkers.

Europe talks about how they prioritize society over capitalism, why can't such an enlightened society figure out how to have the mother and father raise the kids?

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Spookybear_@reddit

Are you implying europe not having made the perfect society yet, is a cause for critique?

It's way better than most of the world, including the states.

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FinancialElephant@reddit

That's not really the issue. The issue is they actually celebrate having the kids raised by complete strangers. To many of them, this represents things going in the right direction instead of the wrong direction.

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cplusequals@reddit

No, the Danish objectively need more cash. Your PPP is astoundingly worse than in the US. Denmark is one of the most expensive places on earth to live.

I gave my dollar amounts in consumption specifically because it accounts for all the government provided services. The statistic is AIC -- actual individual consumption. That $44k includes your free daycare already baked into it. Objectively, empirically, if you're looking for a similar lifestyle in terms of material wealth, you can't compare the medians. The median Dane measures up squarely to the (bottom) 20th percentile of consumers in America.

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Daysleeper1234@reddit

No, you wouldn't. If you value work in any form, you would be pissed if you had to work with most west Europeans. I'm not saying that it is good or bad, but if you don't give a fuck, come to Germany, find a job, and see how no matter what you do you will stay in same place as people who don't do shit. And as a reasonable person you will lose your ambition, and just chill in the background accepting that you won't make anything from your life. Then Merz will come and say we need to work more. Really? My friend, if I have to pay like 50% of on overtime earnings, I won't do the overtime, you and your government can go and fuck themselves.

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Kurt805@reddit

Yep. You just described why i made my wife get a green card.

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Kurt805@reddit

Your keep saying "your". I'm American and I lived in Germany, not Denmark.

And no, you're just wrong lol. Danes are not living like the bottom 20% of America. Your objective empiric median of statistical analysis is myopix.

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Bum_King@reddit

Yeah, I love the US and will behave like a brain dead chimp when a European acts like a bundle of sticks, but I would kill for the European work culture.

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Lovebickysaus@reddit

I guarantee the 40 year old working professional

Yes and they're the ones getting fucked the hardest

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WeTheNinjas@reddit

Thanks for your perspective from both systems. If it’s roughly the same I’d prefer the extra vacation

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Kurt805@reddit

Yeah, there are advantages to the US however. Namely that it is much more dynamic. You are much less locked in to any station in life as there is less of a societal notion of "the path". Laws are set up to help people who take risks in their lives and it is reflected at every level.

For example when I moved back, I got a decently paying job in a field I knew little about solely because they liked the cut of my jib. Because employment isn't like getting married as it is in western Europe, employers are willing to take chances like that, unlike in the EU where they want you to be a purpose built cog because hiring someone is a huge risk.

As cliche as it sounds, you are much more free in the US to reinvent yourself. If you want to do the same thing for 45 years and then retire however, there is no beating the EU.

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pVom@reddit

For starters not all countries in the EU are the same.

As cliche as it sounds, you are much more free in the US to reinvent yourself. If you want to do the same thing for 45 years and then retire however, there is no beating the EU.

Is this really true though when there's no social safety net? Like in Denmark the government pays you while you're studying. It's much harder to go back to study in the US because there's very little support, to say nothing of the fact you get saddled with huge student loans.

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Kurt805@reddit

You can paint northwestern Europe with a broad brush and you know it. Thanks for the info though.

Even the assumption of needing to go back to university to do something different is based off of cog assumptions. Just as I said, you need to be purpose built for a specifically entry level role. They want to see your university internships and

Hiring in the US is more dynamic, normally they'll take your previous experience and your ability to learn on the job into consideration. You'd only go back to school for licensed professions like a doctor or some types of engineering.

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Spookybear_@reddit

What you just said applies fully to Danish society as well. Denmark isn't less dynamic if this is your argument, it sounds like it's precisely as dynamic as USA.

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Spookybear_@reddit

Employment is certainly not like getting married in Europe, particularly not in Denmark as the Danish poster is.

The Danish job market is famously liberal, it's very easy to change jobs.

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UltraHellboy@reddit

I got a job at IKEA about 2 years ago and it instantly tripled my vacation/sick/pto time

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Spookybear_@reddit

Imagine having a mandated time where you can be sick.

Like your boss defines if you're sick, what's the use of doctors then?

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edbods@reddit

in aus the minimum amount of annual leave/vacation time you get in any full time job is four weeks, but some german companies like porsche will give you five because it's the standard in their home country.

more and more aussie companies are slowly offering five weeks now though, bunnings is one i know off the top of my head.

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UltraHellboy@reddit

In the US there is no guaranteed time off work, except a limited amount for maternity leave (not paternity) and maybe a few other ones. A lot of companies give 2 weeks but definitely not all.

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edbods@reddit

damn, that sounds pretty grim

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Frigoris13@reddit

I get 5 weeks but with parental leave I got 9 this year. We also get the week of Christmas to New Years off every year. I just had a coworker come back from 3 months off because she needed knee surgery so we kept her position for her.

Not every job in the US is a nightmare.

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edbods@reddit

Not every job in the US is a nightmare

of course but those gems are almost impossible to get into unless you know someone

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UltraHellboy@reddit

I had to switch careers to retail because I can’t find work doing UI and Web design any more. It comes with the territory

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Tommysrx@reddit

I think your system is a lot better than you realize.

In the USA there is free healthcare for those who make under $21,000 per year. If you make more than that you have to pay for it yourself. Even shitty healthcare plans with high deductibles are over $700 per month even if you are young and in perfect health.

It’s incentivizing people to not work because those who would make over $21,000 and under $30,000 can’t afford to live and have healthcare.

Meanwhile there are those who abuse government assistance programs and get a free place to live in a section 8 apartment , free food from snap benefits , free healthcare from Medicaid , and free money from welfare. Some spend years trying to qualify for having a disability so they get even more money per month for doing nothing. They get everything they need for doing nothing so why would they work when they can just take handouts and subsist off the taxpayers.

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Spookybear_@reddit

If youre arguing politics and how it incentives people's behavior, I'm sure you also have a source and data to back your claim, as the situation is present right now.

So the incentives you speak of, yes you could argue that's true, but in reality, does this happen? Post your source and your data.

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Tommysrx@reddit

Nice try bro , not falling for it 😎

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SkysDaddy@reddit

That depends state by state though. I make more than that and only pay $50 a month for health insurance because my state is actually civilized.

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Hayes231@reddit

How much does your employer pay

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SkysDaddy@reddit

Zero i dont get it through my employer

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Hayes231@reddit

You live in the northeast and/or have high deductibles

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Tommysrx@reddit

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Nice try

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cplusequals@reddit

That premium estimate is much higher than the average HDHP premium for all adults on Obamacare plans. Obamacare plans are absurdly expensive unless you're poor enough for subsidies. If you're young and choosing an individual plan, and you don't buy off the marketplace, you're usually paying well under $100 in premiums. In fact, many employers' HDHP offerings don't even have monthly premiums. I'm currently paying $12 a month for my HDHP coverage. I mean, if you're paying $700 a month for an HDHP as a young person you might as well go fully out of pocket.

A single-payer system would actually just make the problems you describe in the bottom paragraph worse in the US. It would also make the middle class even more of a net taxpayer than they currently are. Also healthcare and health insurance aren't synonyms.

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AreYouEvenMoist@reddit

Because we also get free education? In Sweden you're even paid to go to University

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womerah@reddit

You are correct, people at the end of their career have saved more than people at the start of their career.

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Salticracker@reddit

Because society is r-slured and only taxes productive, working people through sales and income taxes, and refuses to tax rich, unproductive people through a reasonable property tax.

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ToMyOtherFavoriteWW@reddit

OP is regarded

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koala_with_spoon@reddit

Move leech

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shinzanu@reddit

What the fuck?

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BornWithSideburns@reddit

well yea, theyve had way more years to build that wealth?

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pemboo@reddit

Same with state pensions

It's a pyramid scheme and it's gonna collapse in our lifetimes

I've accepted I won't get to retire so I make the most of my life now

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ahackercalled4chan@reddit

considering the impending population collapse, i don't think it's going to end well

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shangumdee@reddit

The reaction to percieved population collapse will worse than any actual effects from population collapse

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The_Sneakiest_Fox@reddit

Just keep propping up your economy by pumping in immigrants. No bad will come of it.

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Kru1zer@reddit

*whether there will be enough jeets and Muslims to finance it

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I won’t get fat since it’s as easy as not eating

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BlackwoodJohnson@reddit

Don’t worry. There will be plenty of Indians with questionable credentials looking after us by the time we get old.

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Kingofcheeses@reddit

Don't worry I'm sure they will import the entire global south to prop up the scheme

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bjergdk@reddit

VPNAnon /Indianon / Russianon

No young person is paying 60% income tax lol. Not even many old people.

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konqueror321@reddit

According to google, the average overall tax burden in Denmark, after all taxes are paid and all deductions taken, is about 33-36% of total income (overall tax paid, not marginal tax). This is not a small amount, but it is not 60%.

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Lovebickysaus@reddit

Don't forget about the extra tax on the bruto salary for the employer. Also no 401k available.

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Lovebickysaus@reddit

Don't forget about the extra tax on the bruto salary. Also no 401k available.

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stary_curak@reddit

Maybe you forget sales tax? That is paid by you hidden in higher price of goods and sevices

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Skunkman-funk@reddit

That's not income tax?

It is, as you put it, in the price of services.

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ThirdHoleHank92@reddit

Youre forgetting their local and regional taxes, property taxes, gains taxes, and that 25% VAT. 33-36% is just their Denmark income tax

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emrednz07@reddit

Read the post again now

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bjergdk@reddit

Nah dude i know im one of them lol

But quality of life here is also great so imo its money well-spent

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feesih0ps@reddit

Americanon most likely

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

Europeans think Americans care about them they way they care about Americans. They really don’t. No American cares enough to go through this trouble to talk about a European healthcare system.

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feesih0ps@reddit

I'm sorry but just no. The average redneck fuckwit American doesn't know or care, and maybe you're right, that's most of the population, but the type of American that's on 4chan is absolutely the type to know and care

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

Yeah no they really don’t

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feesih0ps@reddit

If I say there's a fat black cock in your arsehole, does it make it true?

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

“If I say something is a certain way, it’s right. If you say something is a certain way, it’s wrong”

Yeah you definitely belong on reddit, I’ll give you that.

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feesih0ps@reddit

bro I gave you literal evidence. your evidence is "muh I think I'm based"

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

“I talked to some people on some weird fucking website. That’s evidence”

Uh huh buddy. Practically scientifically proven at this point.

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feesih0ps@reddit

No little man, you are actually right, all Americans are so cool that they just don't care. All the ones visibly pissing themselves over any ideology that isn't fat fuck capitalism don't exist. Do you have any more schizo fantasies to share? Tell us what else you think about America

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

lol rent free

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feesih0ps@reddit

hard cope from you

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Pappy_whack@reddit

obsessed with Americans, black cock ,and fatties

Wait a minute, you're from the UK aren't you? You do realize you're a bigger joke than Americans, right?

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feesih0ps@reddit

lol bro get off your alt. that is fucking pathetic

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

lol rent feee

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feesih0ps@reddit

keep downvoting the comments bro. calm and collected shit. you're absolutely as cool and based as you think you are :)

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DonnieMoistX@reddit

lol mad about downvotes too

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bjergdk@reddit

Yes

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PotemkinSuplex@reddit

Russians have free healthcare mostly used by old people too. The difference is in them not being a service economy, but a petrostate, their income taxes are relatively low. They do have a cost of housing problem in the few cities that matter though.

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potatosack32@reddit

yeah we have a tax bracket system (like most nations in the world)

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dislekseah@reddit

Too many people are in hospitals waiting to die

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Mr__Castle_@reddit

Canadians evolved to just offering free suicide rather than waiting 2 years for life-saving surgery.

Canada's biggest brag as well.

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mischling2543@reddit

Better than endlessly replacing boomer hips so they can go back to shoveling oreos in their face

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Mr__Castle_@reddit

This is Canada bro, only the natives are fat.

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mischling2543@reddit

I'm Canadian and that's def not true lmao

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Mr__Castle_@reddit

What reserves have you been to?

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mischling2543@reddit

Several. Lived on one for a while for work, but irrelevant. Your claim was "only the natives are fat," not "there are fat natives"

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Don’t worry, once dead your organs will Immediately be harvested, so progressive ! 🥰🏳️‍🌈

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Frigoris13@reddit

Why are we recycling these old, beat up organs? At least get the new ones.

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HonestLemon25@reddit

I worked EMS for over a year. I am not exaggerating when I say 98% of my patients on medicare and medicaid were fat slobs that had the most unhealthy lifestyle imaginable and called an ambulance twice a week.

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Organic_Dream_380@reddit (OP)

At least in America, the fat disgusting slops have to pay for their own self inflicted diseases. We subsidize everything they could ask for here in Scandinavia

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mischling2543@reddit

Not really, in America it's just their coworkers subsidizing their care in the form of higher premiums

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philmarcracken@reddit

In a collectivistic healthcare system, you pay more if people live longer, especially the elderly.

The math doesn't lie. The fat slobs you talk about don't make it to the point they incur massive costs. They blow their hearts up before then. When you reach 75+ then all your parts are falling to pieces, requiring numerous specialist visits for vision, hearing etc. Far more costly than a GP

The fatty visits the GP to get their proton pump inhibitors and to complain about joint pain. They used to be expensive if it came to emergency bariatric, but you invented semaglutide so...

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RapidXpansion@reddit

despite the perception that the US doesn't have free healthcare, the truth is 90 million americans are on some form of medicaid or medicare and much of their care is financed via taxes on the rest

americans are paying for those people too

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EpicRussia@reddit

I know other EMS professionals that got really jaded from the type of people they would be called to help. It was very noble of you to work in that career path and I hope your mental health is okay

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mcbeezy94@reddit

Go to America and you’ll see young, fat people in hospitals going into medical bankruptcy because of workplace illnesses whose treatments aren’t covered by the expensive insurance they already pay for. Then you’ll realize the reason why you only see old people in Danish hospitals is because the young were allowed to grow old.

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CaptainSanity@reddit

If anyone thinks the benefits of the Scandinavian model stops at healthcare they should go read a book

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bk2mummy4u@reddit

CIA are shit at propaganda these days

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Paladin-Astolfo@reddit

I kinda have a feeling oop is samefrending on reddit

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krostybat@reddit

Because you'll be old one day ?

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PureSelfishFate@reddit

One day there will be a generation boom, or immigration influx, the young people will have more voting power than you, they'll strip it away from you, you paid the healthcare for rich old people, and now die without none. Same reason old people have so much socialized healthcare, their generation was bigger and had more voting power, so they chose to steal it from the youth.

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

I know won't get a pension when I'm that old because they keep increasing the retirement age every few years. I have to fund my own retirement.

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Antblue@reddit

old people build wealth, 401ks, investment plans, assets. 64 year old electricians have 2 million+ USD in their savings

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MrPokerfaceCz@reddit

But by that point there will be no young people to pay the bill forward, you're gonna be cooked after spending your entire productive life paying for someone else

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jarmezzz@reddit

This is similar, but nowhere near as well funded in my country. I think the cost of this also drives immigration when you take into account the birth/replacement rate. Without immigration it would not sustainable as it is essentially a social ponzi scheme. As each - larger - generation ages, a larger pool or taxpayers is needed to pay for it all - if the populations birth rate doesn't keep up then immigrants are needed.

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Hayes231@reddit

I still don’t see how americas system would be satisfactory to someone like this. If you get injured as a young person without insurance you are looking at a lifetime of debt. If you pay for insurance not through your job you will be paying an insane amount per month.

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BirchBlack@reddit

Not all the time you're not. When I didn't have insurance and I had to go to the hospital they charged me significantly less explicitly because I didn't have insurance. And I even called later and got the bill down even more.

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Hayes231@reddit

Not-for-profits like sentara are more lenient

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Ooofisa4letterword@reddit

Someone just discovered free healthcare isn’t free.

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hekatonkhairez@reddit

The answer is simple, destroy the housing market and scoop up what you can like the boomers did when they were younger.

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Valuable-Chipmunk784@reddit

remove women's right to vote

deport all the immigrants and stop any more from coming in

nationalise natural resources and put profits into sovereign wealth fund

provide good tax incentives to have more children

if boomers cannot fund their own retirement, they are sent to an aged care facility in a thirdie country which is cheap for the taxpayer

let AI replace jobs, but tax the shit out of the AI companies to give UBI to the people who get replaced

Vote for me. This would give people a good standard of living, but the heckin' GDP may go down o algo.

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Autisticus@reddit

I cannot escape the elderly. No matter where I go or what I do for work, doddering elderly are always omnipresent and getting in the way.

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Judah_Earl@reddit

Keeping humans alive into their 80s is cruel, Go into any supermarket, and you see hordes of these half dead creatures shuffling about waiting to die.

And then there are nursing homes...

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philmarcracken@reddit

I've never known why the standard for living is 'pulse, alert and mobilizing' as they like to say in my hospital group. Quality of life depends on a bit more than that.

Is there no doc willing to say the study of medicine is cutting people at the knees? every second old person i've ever spoken with on wards say the same thing, 'dont get old'. Im convinced they don't view aging as a disease itself

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EpicRussia@reddit

Unless you are volunteering to hop in the suicide pod at 60, you cant really call it cruel. Painfully dying of cancer at 50 is now preventable and you can peacefully die 30 years later. Thats not cruelty.

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itsjustameme@reddit

Over the last half year or so, my dad (82) has spent around 45 days in hospital. He is finally on the mend - has been out of hospital for a month now and seems to be recovering well. Apart from his type 1 diabetes he takes care of himself - does fitness, bikes around, and looks after his garden and his house - it was just that he got sick with an infection that kept popping back up, which could happen to anyone.

I for one am grateful to live in a Denmark where help was available for him when he needed it. I am grateful for the nurses who looked after him. Grateful for the doctors who finally cured him. Grateful that when he got home he could get help preparing food, help to bathe, help to manage his medicine, help getting dressed. Grateful that a physiotherapist comes by two time a week to help train him back to where he was. I have been both pleased and impressed by what I have seen of the Danish healthcare system so far.

And I know that it has been expensive keeping him alive. I know that he is old. But if he is anything like his father he has some 10 good years in him still that he now gets to enjoy. I get to keep him a while longer.

So thank you I guess, for paying those taxes you complained about. Maybe one day you’ll need a hospital as well, and my taxes can help pay for that in return.

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ssswwwaaannn@reddit

So this is written by an American

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HeightAdvantage@reddit

Poster is looking at the wrong end of the stick. Target unproductive wealth, like land hording to get better wealth distribution. And incentivize more efficient economic output at the same time.

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Sharky-Li@reddit

Turns out the best thing is just to be young and rich regardless of country, who knew? Real talk though, having a decent (70k) US salary but living in Europe or Asia is probably the highest quality of life you can easily get without being rich. Most people I know who moved to places Spain or Thailand want to stay there.

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Mangeytwat@reddit

I mean....no fucking shit, old people are the biggest benefactors of social welfare, that's the entire point of the system. You pay in whilst healthy and take out once infirm.

The problem is that these systems were set up a century ago and the average age has risen by circa 10 years. The whole system is fucked because it expects to to retire at 65 (or 60 is you're a lazy woman) and then due at 75. People who love to be 65 are more likely to live to 85 than 75 and that's devastating. An extra ten years of dependence cripples the entire system.

So either get on your bike and work out how to unfuck that (and pensions whilst your at it) or be swamped in third world immigrants who are plugging the tax defect gap...or say goodbye to comprehensive social welfare.

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lordfappington69@reddit

You just described Medicare. socialized healthcare in America starts at 65. While in your country it starts at birth

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KonamiKing@reddit

Every society has basically become this due to the massive extensions of life expectancy.

Life expectancy at birth in Europe in 1950 was around 65. Now it’s more like 85.

Retirement age, pensions, health care were built around people dying just a few years after they finished work. Until a couple of decades ago some women in Greece could retire and get a pension at 40! Imagine getting 45 years of pension for working just 20 years.

And the health care advances have led to population explosions in parts of the developing world, In East Asia in 1950 life expectancy was 42, now it’s 81. India has gone from 41 to 72.

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BrocoliAssassin@reddit

Yeah and the biggest problem is still our politicians, military, tiny hats & billionaires.

So much money is wasted on useless middle men, thieving politicians, criminals and billionaire hoarders & most of all, the tiny hats. Just look at how much the stupid tiny hat wars cost, then add the interest that compounds, it just gets insane.

Plus they are fixing the problem with old age and life expectancy being longer by poisoning just about everything in our culture while having the best ingredients for theirs. We pay for their wars, lifestyle,healthcare,end of life and now we even get to pay for their soldiers if republicans get their way.

I wish more Americans would look at these problems more but we all know they will go back to political tribalism..ugh.

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regman231@reddit

This is the most politically tribal comment in the thread.

I don’t disagree with your points, but you’re a hypocrite

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feesih0ps@reddit

Explain how it's a ponzi scheme

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DolanGrayAyes@reddit

anon is based most of the europeans healthcare systems are not sustainable

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justsmilenow@reddit

Greatest country in the world... Spoken in English. A language forced upon the world because of America and airplanes.

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HamberderHelper18@reddit

Go a little further back to find out who did the “forcing” lol. Hint: it’s in the name of the language you mentioned

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justsmilenow@reddit

There are three things that exist in this world.

Lies

Damned lies

And statistics.

Statistics are the only thing that you can actually trust because it's proof it's evidence. It's something that actually happened yesterday. You can't argue against it. You can't change it. You have no power to ignore it.

Statistically the population of the world didn't start speaking English on average until airplanes.

Airplanes forced English on everyone. The pilots sounded cool. Everyone wanted a copy then movies showed up and made it easier to learn English just from movies and TV.

English being forced on the world had nothing to do with humans and everything to do with a machine.

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HamberderHelper18@reddit

Look up the origins of the term “lingua Franca”. It has nothing to do with airplanes.

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justsmilenow@reddit

Yeah but that's voluntary. Airplanes made it law. Airplanes forced it on people. I said forced. Airplanes made it illegal to speak other languages in certain settings. How much trouble could you get in from not speaking the trade language of the time?

Remember we're talking about the Danish so the Chinese and any other trade that is not Danish is of no consequence.

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HamberderHelper18@reddit

Ok so if it’s aviation law explain how that affects the rest of society if it only applies to pilots

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justsmilenow@reddit

Hey, the evidence is there. We don't get to argue with it. We just get to try to find the argument that supports it. If you find some holes in mine maybe try and plug them because the evidence supports airplanes and the law. There's a sharp incline in the data right when airplanes show up. Remember these graphs are measured where a decade is one. We don't get to argue with the past.

"Linga franca" is responsible for 20% of those speakers.

Also, soft power, I said pilots are cool. People emulate cool. Back in the day spice traders were probably cool as well... People emulate cool. That's the whole point of the Mona. Lisa. Leonardo da Vinci painted cool. Or at least statistically. That's the most argued viewpoint. Like I said all we have are statistics. Just because 10 people think something is valid doesn't mean it isn't valid when there's 90 people who don't. Something can be valid at 10 and at 90. But scale requires the need to identify incentives.

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HamberderHelper18@reddit

It’s funny you mention evidence and then the rest of your comment is subjective opinion about what’s “cool” and other jumbled conjecture. Correlation does not equal causation 😂

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MariusCatalin@reddit

romainian here, YOU HAVE NO IDEA how good you have it

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Autumn_Fire@reddit

There was an unspoken social contract to this in that this system can work only if the boomers produced enough children to keep it running.

They decided they'd rather have three mortgages, two cars, and go on a cruise twice a year while calling their children lazy and ungrateful. This system only works when it has the amount of tax payers needed to fund it so now it's collapsing under its own weight. It's only superior to America's system when you actually maintain the balance, otherwise it's a blackhole of money that gets worse every year.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

TRVKE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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Automatic_Day5460@reddit

America has the most generous medical system in the world once you turn 65. All the taxes you've paid your whole life will be spent keeping you in agonizing pain for the last year of your life.

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frillblim@reddit

is anon really in the 60% tax bracket being a janny

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feesih0ps@reddit

The final sentence is where bro betrays his restardation. Wealth transfer from young to old? Do the old people get the money for the hip transplant? The money goes to workers and healthcare providers

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denialofcervix@reddit

You have to consider how all the non-old people's behavior would change if they knew they're fucked once they retire.

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EpicRussia@reddit

Exactly. The promise of happy retirement and benefits in old age is carrot behind the stick of working for your dumbass boss(es) for 40-50 years

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mjw4471@reddit

Anon unable to fathom that he too will get old. They're probably sitting there seething about paying road tax for roads they haven't even driven on yet! Must be a scam!

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Snackwolf@reddit

Well it was a system based on society REPRODUCING. So there's a bit of a SNAFU there.

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8last@reddit

Time go break some of these crusty old pinatas open and free up some assets

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MisterBobAFeet@reddit

Somebody post that fucking cat already.

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Smarq@reddit

Janitor and other physical jobs are the most noble IMO. Don’t reduce your self worth, young blud.

The alternative is dystopian as fuck. My mother worked for 40 of her healthiest years paying lower taxes (because USA) but required to pay for for-profit insurance companies. Because she isn’t retired yet but unable to find a job, she needs to pay an insurance company for coverage she cannot afford. Aside from the premiums being high, the insurance makes a very small dent in her diabetes medication, furthering the cost. She also needs a hip replacement after years of traveling for work.

She paid taxes to a system that would prefer she find a job one year before she reaches retirement age to get healthcare and she can barely walk. No dignity is offered to people who contributed their best years to the system.

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