James May hits back with more Twitter/X replies!

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brogan-adjustment@reddit

In this case he’s being attacked from both sides due to people’s lack of ability to read and their inability to understand nuance.

Also, their unwillingness to go back and read again what he wrote even after he clearly told them that they misunderstood his point.

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0zzyb0y@reddit

And also people that do understand what he's saying, but still hold to the ideal that police shouldn't be kicking people in the head once they're no longer an active threat.

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Yahut@reddit

The police’s top priority should obviously be to incapacitate the guy that’s going round stabbing people

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0zzyb0y@reddit

He was incapacitated when they booted him 8 times in the head on the ground.

I appreciate that he still 'had' the knife on him, but 50,000 volt to the chest and being crumpled on the floor isn't really condusive to having control of your muscles.

I don't really know how you could watch that video and think that it was a necessary use of force. They had him already.

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Do you want the cops to err on the side of caution by not injuring the assailant or err on the side of caution by ensuring the assailant won't keep attacking people? You eventually have to pick a lane.

I think in the moment they made the right call, maybe you're willing to risk further victims? How do you think the reaction to the police actions would go if he got up and stabbed someone else?

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0zzyb0y@reddit

He was tased, on the floor, and had an officer pinning him to the floor.

That officer then moved from a place where he had him pinned and could potentially move to cuff him, to instead stand up and kick the guy in the head.

I don't even necessarily believe that the first officer kicking him was over the line. But the second who specifically moved position to get some kicks in was fucked.

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AnonymousCapybara72@reddit

A taser works temporarily. It is going to wear off, probably quite soon, and he is still going to have a knife in his hand.

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ImpracticalJerker@reddit

And the police were still going to outnumber him and be armed with body armour, tasers, batons and he would've still been on the ground.

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AnonymousCapybara72@reddit

Jesus you are delusional. Someone with a knife, especially someone who is fucking nuts and doesn't mind getting killed, can quite easily cause life changing damage no matter how many people with body armour you have.

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kh250b1@reddit

Someone with a knife still in their hand is a threat

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DukeSunday@reddit

Haven't seen the video myself, but my understanding was that they were kicking him in the head after he was both disarmed and handcuffed? If not then I agree with May, but if so not so much.

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Evening-Ad5765@reddit

Admittedly he was a bit too nuanced for the online crowd. Heck, I missed the point of what he was saying so I’m no better. But I didn’t rush to judge him either.

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Terminal_Phase@reddit

Literally nothing nuanced about it. The last sentence makes it pretty clear.

Anyone with the comprehension skills of a 6th grader could understand that.

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InconspicuousMagpie@reddit

54% of Americans read at below a 6th grade level

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Evening-Ad5765@reddit

You never made it past sixth grade? It shows

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Egoy@reddit

These days it’s not enough to agree with the actual point you have to display sufficient anger or sadness over the event to not be attacked.

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dman928@reddit

To be fair, this Devon Painter fellow went back and read it again. The light bulb then went off and he apologized

Good on him

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Life-Goose-9380@reddit

We you get attacked by both sides it’s a good sign you’re take is pretty balanced.

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Terminal_Phase@reddit

No nuance involved. The last sentence paints it pretty clearly.

You need only the comprehension skills of a child to understand.

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The_Wattsatron@reddit

If everybody is attacking him, perhaps it’s his wording that’s at fault rather than everybody else

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FisherRam@reddit

I think his tweet is perfectly annoying imo not quite nuanced. (Or maybe vaguely nuanced is a better descriptor)

It creates a vacuum behind the vague "just don't stab anyone, problem solved!" Similar to parents saying "have you tried smiling" or "I never had to take antidepressants" to their depressed children.

Heart can be in the right place but packaging the sentiment these days is 90% of the work.

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JudgeJed100@reddit

Nah fuck that,

Kicking a suspect in the head should never be a sort of their procedure

All it takes is one solid hit and games over

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djandyglos@reddit

He’s right “twatpuffin” is excellent

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nukrag@reddit

I have mental issues. If I ever go on a stabbing spree, I give anyone permission to kick the shit out of any body part they choose, should they not feel like gunning me down.

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ICreditReddit@reddit

When?

Can I kick you in the head while you're holding a weapon, actively moving towards/aiming at a potential victim? I assume yes? I certainly say 'yes'.

How about after you've been captured, disarmed, hands handcuffed, legs shackled? Can I kick you in the head, until you're dead even? Here's the first area of disagreement, some will say yes, some will say no.

And here's the second area of disagreement, as we move from the second scenario here to the first scenario, the people who say 'no' will change to saying 'yes', but will disagree at the actual point where that no becomes a yes.

I have no issue with there being a difference of opinion as to where no becomes yes, there's discussion to be had, police operating procedures and policies might state differing things to my preference, and I might voice my concerns.

At which point the 'yes' crowd will call me pro-terrorist and devoid of common sense.

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el_dude_brother2@reddit

Police use reasonable force argument. They have half a millisecond to decide what to do

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coffeebribesaccepted@reddit

And they frequently make the wrong choice, that's why the discussion is being had. If they didn't have a long history of unnecessary brutality, no one would be questioning this.

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Vodddddddd@reddit

Isn't this just a version of the slippery slope argument. Just because there is discussion to be had about where between 'kicking an active terrorist to prevent the use of held weapons' and 'kicking captured people to death' the line is does not mean there is any merit to discussing if 'kicking an active terrorist to prevent the use of held weapons' is wrong.

This is what is annoying if you engage with people who make a new position to argue against as if it makes the current event any different. Why are there leaders of political parties retweeting about police brutality when every single reasonable person would expect some non-brutal force to be allowed to disarm an active terrorist.

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ICreditReddit@reddit

No idea what you're trying to say.

Your position: 'does not mean there is any merit to discussing if 'kicking an active terrorist to prevent the use of held weapons' is wrong.' is EXACTLY mirrored by my position 'Can I kick you in the head while you're holding a weapon, actively moving towards/aiming at a potential victim? I assume yes? I certainly say 'yes'., and we are in 100% complete agreement with each other on that scenario, there is no debate, we're all kicking.

So where the fuck does the debate come from on this? I sure as shit wasn't having one on that subject?

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Vodddddddd@reddit

So where the fuck does the debate come from on this?

We have prominent party leaders arguing that 'kicking an active terrorist to prevent the use of held weapons' is wrong so we don't even need to bring in hypotheticals of 'How about after you've been captured, disarmed, hands handcuffed, legs shackled' when discussing this event. We should be pushing back on these relatively important people that want our police to be unable to use any force against an active terrorist.

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ICreditReddit@reddit

Polanski's actual quote:

"So essentially his officers were repeatedly and violently kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already incapacitated by taser"

So I can only think of two scenarios here which make what you've said make sense.

1) You think Polanski is wrong, you've seen the footage and the terrorist wasn't incapacitated, tasered, and was actually still armed and advancing on a victim

2) You hadn't read what he said and think he actually said 'kicking an active terrorist to prevent the use of held weapons' is wrong'

what is clear is that Polanski was talking about an incapacitated terrorist and your talking about a non-incapacitated terrorist so it does at least make sense at this point. neither of you are discussing the same thing so of course the conclusions are different. I don't think beef fat is healthy, you don't think beef is unhealthy. We 'disagree'.

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FisherRam@reddit

See, while I agree, I would hope maybe the police wouldn't be a part of the mob violence? Leave that up to the good common folk!

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jazzymusicvibes@reddit

“Mob violence” lmao

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FisherRam@reddit

I mean "non police" aka "a mob of people" not mafia mob.

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monkeybawz@reddit

There needs to be a whimsical twitter, with irony and nuance, and it's only folks like James may and Stephen fry allowed.

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ThunderShott@reddit

Reading comprehension really is dying.

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btoxic@reddit

Why is the reading compression wet?

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Wanallo221@reddit

It’s crazy how many Facebook, Reddit and X threads are like this. People talking across each other without the foggiest comprehension of what is actually being said.

Facebook is absolutely the worse, but then again it’s mainly bots and old people.

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Master_Positive_2772@reddit

I get caught by this constantly. People arguing shit I haven't said because I'm a bit wordy and their comprehension is dogshit.

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Wanallo221@reddit

Honestly. I think people read the headline, get an immediate gut reaction based upon it’s ragebait. Then just look for a comment that’s vaguely related to whatever hot take they have and just slap it there.

The amount of times I stare at a comment wondering how the hell someone interpreted what I said that way.

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Egoy@reddit

People put comments into a binary. Either you’re 100% in lockstep with their narrowly defined position or you’re literally Satan. As soon as you don’t completely conform they attack.

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piriformister@reddit

Twitter is the worst. All the blue check marks usually have the dumbest opinions and no accountability whatsoever.

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No_Doubt_About_That@reddit

It’s like that one tweet from back along saying you like pancakes but it being read as you hating waffles.

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Chimpville@reddit

It is a messy comment to make though. Feels like he was fishing for reactions from either side of the issue.

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GoonerwithPIED@reddit

No, he was joking. It went over your head.

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Chimpville@reddit

He was making a point with a joke, and the point was that the treatment was pretty brutal but it's basically what you should expect if you go around stabbing people.

That's kind a of a messy perspective which makes neither side completely happy whether it's people who are sympathetic towards the terrorism suspect/mentally ill person or people who aren't and view the displayed aggression as being completely justified.

That's why it's a bit messy and given his habit of stirring controversy for fun, I think he did it knowing that's what would happen.

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GoonerwithPIED@reddit

Perhaps you're right

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Super_Shallot2351@reddit

And the fact that people have already assumed the two victims are dead. Fake narratives travel round the world before the police have even made a statement, and people assume that's the truth.

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PNghost1362@reddit

This whole thing is insane. Yes they can use force to stop him No they can't kick him in the head (ask any neuro nurse why) Yes it was an antisemitic terror attack No it has nothing to do with the pro Palestinian movement Yes it could have been prevented had the world taken a stance against the genocide Israel is committing and the anti Semitic nature of Israel claiming to act on behalf of all Jews.

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racsssss@reddit

Does you neuro nurse have any opinions on the adverse effects of a bullet in the skull? Because if the police had been armed they would have been well within their rights to shoot the man.

People can be stupidly strong on adrenaline or drugs (no I'm not saying he was on drugs but the police couldn't know that), there was a video doing the rounds just last week of a guy completely restrained on the floor by two police officers who managed to overpower them, stand up, ignore a tazer to the abdomen, ignore a baton to the leg and run away. Luckily that guy's only goal was to escape but in this current scenario that could easily have more dead people.

You do whatever it takes to prevent him being a threat to others then you can start thinking about his wellbeing

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PNghost1362@reddit

Had a whole response but deleted it, because tf are we doing here? This is insane shit to be debating. The police had options, kicking in the head is considered lethal force. Lethal force is not authorised for this situation. End of.

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racsssss@reddit

He still had the knife. There was a passerby helping the police right next to him, there was the two police officers themselves. You can't judge how strong or fast he is (even seemingly restrained) anymore than I can, anymore than the police could in that split second they had to make a decision.

Plenty of other countries he would have been given the opportunity to drop the knife at gunpoint and would have been summarily shot when he refused to comply.

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PNghost1362@reddit

Being tased causes muscles to contract, no shit he didn't let go.

But you're right, we can only speculate. However, stomping on someone's head is always out of order and only justifiable when your life is in imminent danger. But saying that, if you're in the position to stomp on someone's head you're not going to be in danger soo..

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KennethKestrel@reddit

Being tased can cause muscles to contract. That’s an important detail you are neglecting. If only one probe hits the target then they will only feel pain and not muscle contraction and can continue to keep hold of the knife. I suggest you do some reading on the effectiveness of tasers before say things with such confidence.

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PNghost1362@reddit

Wanna explain the biomechanics of it all then since you're obviously an expert?

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racsssss@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1so6wk8/police_in_the_uk_are_a_joke/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Oopsie poopsie there's two more people stabbed, oh well PNghost1362 on reddit approves of the police at least

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PNghost1362@reddit

Not even sure what your point is here but pop off I guess

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racsssss@reddit

Brother, its the exact same fucking scenario on video. The guys restrained on the ground by two policemen, tazed, smacked in the leg with a baton and he still gets up and runs away.

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PNghost1362@reddit

It's not the same scenario at all? That one they try to take him down then use the taser. The other was after a stabbing and he had a knife, officers tased first and then went in to restrain and disarm him.

I'm genuinely curious how we're coming to different conclusions about objective reality.

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racsssss@reddit

Are you wilfully missing the point or just genuinely stupid? The point is a human can be tazed and restrained and still very much remain a threat, especially if he has knife in his hands and has just finished stabbing two people in a hate crime. Arguing semantics over what order things happened in doesn't change that

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PNghost1362@reddit

How can you be a threat while restrained????

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racsssss@reddit

Like... this..

https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1so6wk8/police_in_the_uk_are_a_joke/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I'm done with this, you're either just trying to annoy me which is weird behaviour over a topic like this or you're an actual idiot in which case I feel bad. Have a nice life

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PNghost1362@reddit

That guy wasn't fucking restrained was he? Nah dude, we're just talking past each other because we're not defining our terms. When ai say restrained I mean effectively pinned down or cuffed.

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racsssss@reddit

Ok, I'm sorry for calling you stupid.

We are never going to come to any sort of agreement over this because you believe kicking in the head is unwarranted in any situation and I believe if there's even the slightest chance the terrorist can still hurt someone (and taking into acount how difficult that is to judge in the moment) that its ok until the knife is out of the picture.

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PNghost1362@reddit

It's cool man, I think it really says alot about the current sociopolitical climate that two people who just want the best outcome end up disagreeing over small things.
I'm in the camp that things like this can be prevented, so in the moment protection isn't my biggest thought, simply because in my mind it should never have gotten to this point.
I hope you have a nice bank holiday weekend man, do something nice for yourself and enjoy the weather

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TIGHazard@reddit

The police had options, kicking in the head is considered lethal force. Lethal force is not authorised for this situation. End of.

Are you forgetting the Manchester Airport fight a few years ago?

Literally the same argument around kicking in the head being lethal force and the officers involved in that didn't get charged over it. And that was just some people punching the officers, not armed with a knife.

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PNghost1362@reddit

I can't remember the exact details, but I'm always going to be against stomping on someone's head no matter what anyone says. Depending on the outcome it's arguably worse than death.

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Vodddddddd@reddit

Are you seeing something everyone isn't seeing? Do you think these were full force soccer kicks to the head? American History X head stomps?

The guy didn't even have mild concussion... you are wanting to bubble wrap an arrest of a terrorist actively trying to stab people. You are the insane one.

Depending on the outcome it's arguably worse than death.

Oh give it a rest... a bruise on his collarbone and a scuffed mark on his head is arguably worse than the death he attempted on two other people?

Terrorist sympathizer.

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PNghost1362@reddit

And there's the terrorist sympathizer comment. Go read a book

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Vodddddddd@reddit

You are literally spamming posts about how a terrorist has a bruise while he attempted to kill people. Take a look at yourself.

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BasicBanter@reddit

Obviously before the creation of Israel there was no such thing as antisemitism…

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PNghost1362@reddit

Who is saying that?

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BasicBanter@reddit

You said this all could’ve been prevented if it wasn’t for the actions of another country. The terrorist wouldn’t of had these antisemitic views if it wasn’t for Israel

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PNghost1362@reddit

Whenever a group of people cause violence, it increase the amount of hate crimes towards them abroad. It happens all the time. So it's safe to say that this animosity could have been avoided if the whole tool a united stance against the actions of Israel. Or is that too nuanced or a view for you to understand?

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General_Kamakaze@reddit

"Whenever a group of people cause violence, it increase the amount of hate crimes towards them abroad"

Here, you are saying that Israelis are the same 'group of people' as British Jews. Which disagrees with your original statements, and is also antisemitic.

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PNghost1362@reddit

I'm saying that's what people do in general, it's stupid, but it's what they do.

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BasicBanter@reddit

Seems your view is extremely limited

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PNghost1362@reddit

You're just saying shit now, have a good day my friend <3

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Vodddddddd@reddit

No they can't kick him in the head (ask any neuro nurse why)

I am not going to ask our police force to hold back from relatively weak kicks to prevent an active terrorist in the process of trying to murder them from getting mild concussion.

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FisherRam@reddit

Woah woah woah calm down there braniac.

You're bringing nuance, perspective, and intellectual thought to the three car guy subreddit. Don't you know that's not our vibe?

I love Jeremey and he loves farmers. I love James and he loves gin. I love Richard and he is short.

Amen!

/S

Good comment, good perspective. Sorry for your eventual downvote

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PNghost1362@reddit

Ngl I lost track of which subreddit this was what with everyone covering this stuff..

Richard was my role model growing up ngl, James has that fascination for history and engineering that I admire as an adult. Guess I'll be a farmer and punch my coworker when I retire..

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kh250b1@reddit

Oh do get a life

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PNghost1362@reddit

Got one thanks <3

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FisherRam@reddit

Good plan. I volunteer to be the coworker if I get a nice settlement out of it.

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kh250b1@reddit

Next thing is its going to be illegal to attack a murderer with a narwhal tusk

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BeefShawarma06@reddit

I'm not British or from the UK

But i dont get it why would anyone have a problem with police officers using force that dude was clearly fucked in the head

It did look not super professional but eh they got him down and took him in u know

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Additional_Pickle_59@reddit

I don't quite have the words but our police culturally is known to be quite "tame" towards violence, so seeing very violent stuff happen can make people angry.

I saw some Americans reacting to a speeding car being pulled over and they assumed it was going to be like an American standoff with guns and shouting to the driver to "get out and put your hands on your head" but It abruptly cut to the cop having a light discussion in the back of the car, handed a speeding fine and let him go.

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Chemistry-Deep@reddit

If he was no longer an threat then it was unnecessary, however he still had a weapon so he clearly was a threat and it was justified.

But these days a video drops instantly and people make up their minds before the facts come out, and then refuse to change them.

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Irrelevant231@reddit

Ah, but where do you draw the line on still a threat? When he stops inspiring others?

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Skywarper@reddit

When he no longer has a weapon in his possession, stop being obtuse, this was talked about ad nauseum in the last thread, etc. etc.

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FisherRam@reddit

I can kinda see your point. But also, I do wonder about the efficacy of "head kick number 5" vs other ways to help subdued the arm or assailants body.

Did seem like the head kicking cop really went after it.

Mad respect to the cop who clearly grappled with the arm and knife.

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ArmoredGoat@reddit

The difference is like shooting a suspect once to incapacitate versus unloading the whole clip into suspect because the police couldnt self control on the trigger. It’s not for the police to determine what kind of punishment the suspect should get. Thats why theres a court system.

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Vodddddddd@reddit

They were not kicking him to punish him

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ian9outof10@reddit

As you may know, British police don’t generally carry guns - but those who do are trained that when they shoot, they are shooting to kill. We don’t use guns to incapacitate, a gun is always a last resort for that reason.

I think that’s relevant to what you said, but not this incident generally because I suspect they may have acted with disproportionate force, but it’s hard to judge as none of us were there. From what I have seen, this man was incredibly aggressive toward police, and didn’t seem interested in stopping.

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Evening_Star_9319@reddit

No, but it is up to the police to incapacitate a violent criminal

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ArmoredGoat@reddit

Thats why there is code of conduct. The suspect is down and that last few kicks from the cop on the right is unwarranted

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kh250b1@reddit

Is this your experience from all the times you disarmed a knifeman?

From the eyes in the back of your head as you ran the fk away?

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Yuji_Ide_Best@reddit

Im terrified of shit like this.

Around a decade ago i was tackled from behind and stomped on, for the crime of walking home from work.

Just walking, then suddenly grappled from behind and punted straight to the ground face first with a boot on my neck.

Why? "Oh sorry there you dont fit the description" he says while getting off me and running off to the police van parked up the road before they sped away with me still on the ground, now in a sitting position.

Naturally calling police on the police achieves nothing. Wouldnt even give me the mans name, let alone offering some kind of apology, be it written or verbal.

'Code of conduct' is barely a loose suggestion. If that shit happened after i became disabled, he very likely could have significantly injured me for 0 reason...

Not all police are bastards, but the overwhelming majority are.

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FisherRam@reddit

"I don't get why anyone would have a problem"

"It did look not super professional (sic)"

AVG commentator on this subreddit I swear.

I don't think many people are as stupid as the Twitter responders captured. For most people it's less about what they view as moral justice (i.e. stabbers deserve to get beaten up) But rather as you so adaquetly identified but chose to ignore, police, so called peacekeepers and civil servants, who are PROFESSIONALS doing something that looks "not super professional"....

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lynchcontraideal@reddit

Sorry, but how else do you propose British Police would take down a violent offender? Offer them a tea and biscuit? Chat about the weather? Christ alive.

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FisherRam@reddit

I never mentioned where I stand on this issue. Only really responding to OP commentors logical fuckery.

Personally I was okay with most but not all the force used. Way more respect for the cop grappling with the man and knife, not a lot of respect for the boot kicker.

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lynchcontraideal@reddit

So despite the fact the police aren't in the wrong here for tackling violent criminals, you still take issue with people praising them? You commenting on people's logic is comical.

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FisherRam@reddit

You know what. I hate this sub Reddit. Good riddance

Deleting my comments here

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FisherRam@reddit

When did I say I took issue with people praising them?

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Ok-Foundation1346@reddit

Huge respect to "Devon Painter" for taking a step back, reading the post again and realising what James actually said.

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FcukTheTories@reddit

Welcome to Britain where the thoughts and feelings of violent criminals come above those of their victims

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Aceman1979@reddit

Your comment sounds like the populist nonsense right wing Tory would come out with to appeal to Reform voters.

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FcukTheTories@reddit

Our judiciary is independent and non-partisan. Has absolutely nothing to do with party politics.

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bearinmyoatmeal@reddit

This is why social media is shit and just not worth it. He can't win despite clearly advocating for what they're attacking him for.

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Ray1340@reddit

James clearly has to bored out of his mind to waste time on twitter.

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loco_mixer@reddit

People are so delusional and crazy. Saying attempted murder but not talking about stabbing. People have gone completely mad.

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emal-malone@reddit

James switching between his iPad and iPhone to reply back is hilarious

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Public-Guidance-9560@reddit

Why has he bothered?

Social media full of absolute thickos on both sides. You cannot win an argument with stupid. They don't use reason and logic, so you're well on the back foot.

What is the saying? "They bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience".

It isn't worth the aggro.

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Skywarper@reddit

It's fun

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sufcWayne@reddit

People on twitter dont read the entire tweet! What else is new

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Humble-Abies-4160@reddit

If someone stabs 2 People for no reason then kicking someone in the head isn't harsh enough simple as that many other countries he would be shot

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SEspider@reddit

I now wanna see those fools attempt to stop a madman with a knife. Let's see them attempt to put a flower on the knife and "talk to him."🤣

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Heretowatch87@reddit

I don’t understand why it’s classed as terrorism, surely if anything it’s a racial attack.

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Hazels-baby@reddit

As I have said previously there should be a license for social media gained via a reading and IQ test.

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niell2@reddit

Fair play to the single guy who went back read the post again and apologised for not reasing properly.

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DoneTomorrow@reddit

"No, I wouldn't condone them kicking you" to that guy going off on a strawman about kicking mentally ill people is such a funny reply hahahaha

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kh250b1@reddit

At least it wasn’t pointless like yours

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DoneTomorrow@reddit

Insightful that, cheers fella

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ArmoredGoat@reddit

Im quite confused. James first post is about putting end to it, then he went and said people should be kicked in the head….

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kh250b1@reddit

And thats the problem your post highlights . Too many stupid people replying

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Cielo11@reddit

It's like this everywhere online.

People don't read a full comment. They might read it all but miss important parts, and people don't read past a headline.

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kh250b1@reddit

That really brought the morons out

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Volley-Boat@reddit

I wish people who said Twatpuffin would get kicked in the head

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Aprilprinces@reddit

The entire exchange is fun to read, but having worked for law enforcement I know the officers were out of bounds - some people will say he deserved it, others will defend him. I only care about the law - police officers' duty is to protect the public - done, the guy is on the ground; then disarm the guy - does he hold the knife with his head? No? Don't kick him in his head

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