We're getting overrun by stupidity, how to cope?
Posted by NightSp4rk@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 100 comments
I joined a mature-ish startup remotely like five years ago, quiet EU/Nordic culture and it's been easily the best workplace in my 11-year career. No office politics, engineering is at the center of the company, etc. Shortly after, it was acquired by some giant US F500 corp. But they left us alone most of the time, so we kept on our trail and did our thing. Very little US-corporate BS, toxic competition or office politics leaking in from the big corp. Our product kept performing really well and smashing the goals that were set.
But recently the big US corp has started meddling a lot more in our tiny world. Random layoffs despite their financials still being really solid. They fired our CTO. Turns out the big US corp is managed mostly by Indians and most of their engineers are too, across the wider org. We start having to report to them instead. They start pushing more compliance / monitoring garbage on our machines. Frequent talks of taking down our very modern well-performing app that's loved by users, simply because "it is not using Java". And whatever other tech stack they've "approved" that's from 2005.
This week they've just approved a decision to fully take down our app and put some of our devs on an effort to rebuild all its features on an existing legacy codebase they have that's just a thin UI with no functionality (but they prefer it because they built it) and eventually bring our users there. And the rest of the devs are going onto some other (also legacy junk) product of theirs that they decided they like more now, and that has like 400 other devs from India working on it. So they're breaking apart a highly efficient senior dev team that took years to build.
Unsure how to feel anymore. And with the current job market I don't feel like I'll be able to just land another decent job without a year-long struggle. So I might just stick around for now and see how long I can last. Future looks bleak.
Anyone else going through something similar?
obelix_dogmatix@reddit
Why is this relevant to the situation?
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
It's pretty much the biggest reason things went sideways tbh. Their work culture is super toxic.
obelix_dogmatix@reddit
Just so you are not delusional … this take is no different than MAGA hats yapping about Mexicans “ruining their way of living”. Just as long as we are keeping things consistent.
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
Toxic work culture is toxic regardless of who does it.
proof_required@reddit
Lot of US companies have toxic culture and American companies are infamous for it. If you visit any sub relayed to American emigration, this is one of the biggest reasons, in addition to their healthcare and guns. But of course pointing fingers elsewhere will get you upvoted here.
unlikely_tap05@reddit
What’s super toxic?
my_coding_account@reddit
Why wouldn't it be?
mechkbfan@reddit
It's an interesting one. OP could have omitted it but it'd have been ok. In saying that, the Indian corporate stereotype exists and when you're in a situation that fits it, then it really answers a lot of the questions that could have been asked.
A company I worked at close to 20 years ago got taken over by Honeywell.
Full time staff getting replaced by offshore developers. Code was said to have been completed but it was never done. So many layers of management...
The project was abandoned even though it had multiple million dollar contracts. They just paid it out. Turns out they just bought us for other work we were doing that we were starting to eat into their profits. 4 years wasted but did learn a lot.
10 years later, worked at a bank that brought in an Indian consultancy. Replaced .NET with Java even though in our region there's a lot more .NET devs & work because that was skillset they had. Same story with the culture.
Both bits of advice each time I'd give now is if give it benefit of doubt for a bit, but if shit hits the fan and starts fitting the Indian work culture stereotype, just get out.
PsychologicalCell928@reddit
one option to consider is asking whether the company would be willing to sell you the source code to your application. Investigate what it would take to rebrand, relaunch, and build up a new customer base.
The trick is to identify a customer base in which the large corporation is disinterested. It could be based on size - go after micro-corporations, mom&pops, etc. It could be based on industry, if your application isn't industry specific.
For many large corporations the cost of customer acquisition makes buying a company for its customers a viable approach.
Of course this will be harder the more specific your application is to an industry. Something that supports regulatory reporting for a pharmaceutical company is unlikely to be easily converted to support financial services.
__________
I knew one guy who's approach to making money was to build up a company for 4-5 years and then sell it all to a large corporation. During the building process he did OK financially but every five years he cashed in.
Rakasaac@reddit
Managed by Indians? The company is donezo
unlikely_tap05@reddit
Your comment reeks of ignorance. 10% of Fortune 500s CEO are Indians.
Are you upset they took your job? And our more efficient, complain less ?
Wtf is this comment
Instance9279@reddit
And 50% of Fortune 500s CEOs are morons, so your point is?
Being a CEO doesn't suggest any qualities. Is Elon Musk smart, rational and great decision maker? Because he is the richest of them all.
unlikely_tap05@reddit
Did you read the comment I replied to ?
i860@reddit
Notice how your immediate reaction is “aww are you upset they took your job?” or “more efficient”, etc. Utterly laughable nonsense showing how you’re guided by ethnic warfare first and foremost.
unlikely_tap05@reddit
Did you read the comment I replied to ?
ShazaBongo@reddit
poor engineers that work for the 10%
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The reasons they took jobs because they are dirt cheap.
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fourbyfourequalsone@reddit
I am willing to take downvotes in the hope that at least some commenters can look at this objectively. Even if a few can avoid stereotyping or calling out a specific race, that’s a win.
This community tends to hate on Indians, some of which is probably deserved. However, they are conflating the concepts of acquisitions and work culture in this post. What OP described isn’t due to Indian work culture. It’s a classic playbook for how acquisitions go, especially when a compliance-heavy Fortune 500 company is involved. OP’s issues, such as Indians pushing compliance, monitoring, and rebuilding within the parent company’s tech stack, aren’t driven by middle management. They are top-down directives, likely from the CTO and CEO of the parent company.
Some Fortune 500 companies prioritize compliance to the extent that they won’t take even small risks. Such companies are willing to undermine the value of an acquisition and incur losses rather than risk non-compliance.
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
To begin, I agree there is a lot of undeserved hate towards them. A lot of them are likely just trying to do a good job like the rest of us. But, as I was involved in how things went at my company, and having seen very similar things happen before in a previous workplace, I'd be lying if I said there isn't a significant portion of them that have a certain toxic culture of office politics that ruins workplaces. I saw first-hand how the top-level directors are easily influenced by them (because information trickles up in an organization, and those under the CEO are the ones who inform him), and how their racism and their trying to protect their interests ruined the lives of the team around me, at least thrice in my career.
That said, I will re-iterate that I am not hating on them, I have friends who are Indian and are cool people. But in the end, each country/region you go to, there will be specific traits in their work culture, and sadly there's an insane level of politicking and bootlicking there, and many of them will agree that it's this bad.
fourbyfourequalsone@reddit
Appreciate it.
F1B3R0PT1C@reddit
From my learnings, Indian work culture is very top-down “listen to the boss” kind of culture. US is very cooperative, fast-paced, loose with the rules. European culture is slow and bureaucratic. This could be a classic case of clashing dogma. Also however you saw the writing on the wall. They basically bought you to dismantle you. Time to find a new job, because they’ll squeeze you out of this one due to the culture difference.
CleanishSlater@reddit
My UK based company got bought by a US company and we were immediately overwhelmed with monitoring software, nonsense KPIs, increased paperwork and bureaucracy, forced fun activities, rigid rules and policies etc. That, and they tried to push policies on UK employees that are illegal with our labour laws. I don't recognise your description of US work culture at all.
RegretNo6554@reddit
what policies did they push? just curious.
CleanishSlater@reddit
They started asking people to provide doctor's notes if they were off sick, even if it was for less than 7 days. Tried to get people to work more than their contracted hours with no overtime with the excuse that it was part of the culture. Tried to get people to work over 48 hours a week without signing an opt-out to the working time directive.
I genuinely think their HR team just started spraying these things at people without checking with legal. They reigned it in thankfully, but the fact they tried at all shows how much they don't care workers.
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
US+Indian culture combined seems like the worst one, top-down BS while trying to be fast-paced to pad the numbers.
i860@reddit
They’re actually fundamentally incompatible cultures and cannot coexist in the same structure without destruction ensuing. You don’t have to like it, but it is what it is.
phouchg0@reddit
I saw a study somewhere where they graded countries and cultures according to how they view authority. Part of that was a ranking in the form of a percent. The higher the percentage, the more deferential to authority. Asia and South Asia were 90%+, Americans were in the low 60s. I had been working with Indians for years by the time I saw this and it really helped me understand where they were coming from. I also love that we Americans scored so much lower, we're rebels at heart after all!
nacholicious@reddit
Eh. From a Nordic perspective, American working culture seems very top down "listen to the boss"
In the US cashier's are often not even allowed to sit, because the boss thinks it makes them look lazy. Something like that is unthinkable here
obelix_dogmatix@reddit
US is cooperative? You clearly haven’t worked at garbage US organizations of which there are many. Legacy US organizations are as fast paced as Siemens.
F1B3R0PT1C@reddit
No group is a monolith. Of course there are differences. By cooperative I mean the boss is more likely to receive or seek out input from subordinates.
daddywookie@reddit
Yup, they seek it out so they can sell it to their own boss as their own idea. US corp culture is all about pleasing your managers while fucking your peers and direct reports. Just as toxic but done with a smile.
ShazaBongo@reddit
Yup! with people pleasers and a.. lickers at every meeting
daddywookie@reddit
One of the best/worst at my old job just posted the “taking a short break” post on LinkedIn. I just wish I was there when it happened.
__idkmybffjill__@reddit
Going through something pretty similar. Boggles my mind how insanely disconnected these leaders are, to put it lightly. Very lightly.
But the worst part to me is how it's accepted by everyone. "That's just the way it is" and "it's the tech industry, you should be doing leetcode and applying to other jobs to get promoted anyways".
Not sure how long I'll personally last in this industry.
i860@reddit
The industry is actually quickly barreling towards complete implosion. Once the last of the more competent and experienced people age out or leave it’s going to be total pandemonium. Nothing will work.
LordDarthShader@reddit
Replaced by AI (Actual Indians)
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Due_Reading6384@reddit
feels like my last gig where corporate changes ruined a good setup
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
Pretty much yep 😿
aeroverra@reddit
Every time
andymurd@reddit
This is what happens when you get taken over by any corp that views a takeover as a victory. "You lost, now do what we say. There will be no discussion."
Either stick it out and drink the Kool Aid or jump ship. Your new masters do not care which you choose.
i860@reddit
Your new masters not only don’t care about whatever moral framework you adhere to but they also actively despise you and only serve tribal allegiances first and foremost.
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Smooth_Peace4735@reddit
sounds like the plot of a tech dystopia movie
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i860@reddit
Based on who you said is mostly doing the managing there is no recovery unless they’re all stripped of power. You’re dealing with one of the most corrupt, self serving, and incompetent forces out there and it’s basically over.
Original-Channel7869@reddit
You guys are done. I've been through similar experience, they're preparing for taking over the project and get rid of you guys. CTO probably was fired because he had seen where it's going and tried to push back.
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
100%. We've been seeing this coming for a year, made memes about it all day in Slack. But now it's finally here, just hard to believe they'd sink the entire ship like this. It doesn't even make sense from a business perspective, I don't get how they're selling their story to the people at the very top.
kokanee-fish@reddit
For what it's worth I would add that this is more or less how every acquisition goes in my experience. The acquired company's culture and technology eventually have to give way to the broader company. The two orgs always try to play nice for a while, but they literally bought you, and will ultimately need you to become one of them or go away.
gidovoskos69@reddit
I have a different experience. The multinational I work buys another one. Somehow we end up with a director from the other company. Suddenly our product with 17% market share gets axed and theirs with 3% is kept.
BroBroMate@reddit
The good ol "McDonnell Douglas was acquired by Boeing and somehow McD executives ended up running Boeing into the fucking ground (literally)" switcheroo.
vzq@reddit
I'd like to nominate this comment for the "literally the best literal use of the word literally"-award 2026.
official_business@reddit
The best description I ever heard of that mess was that "McD bought Boeing with Boeing's money"
ShoePillow@reddit
That director managed to pull off an uno reverse, but result is the same. Only one survives
Candid-Cup4159@reddit
Ah, should have taken that year to post memes and look for a new job.
HelloSummer99@reddit
Private equity doesn't care about individual careers, if using viewpoint thinking, everything they say makes sense from "big corp" viewpoint. Even down to the java thing, is like having a small business jet in a fleet of Boeings. Makes everything complicated from an operations standpoint, and is kind of irrelevant if it's loved or not.
ouroboros_quetzal@reddit
In my 20 year career I’ve learned that most decisions are not business oriented; once a toxic culture sinks it becomes like a take over, these groups treat it as a second home instead of just work.
Just start applying, it’s over, it’s not about the project, goals or profits. In their minds, it’s about them
Windyvale@reddit
I’ll back that opinion. I’ve seen the most short-sighted bullshit from acquisitions.
ShazaBongo@reddit
same happened to NGINX
Dazzling_Cash_6790@reddit
Sad to see this happening in Europe also.
Had lived in the UAE for 3 years (where Indians are a majority), and I was amazed by the mentality of Indian management. The tip of the iceberg is that they are hiring/promoting only their own, most managers I worked with have the mentality "either my way or the highway" and overall a bossy attitude. Also, quality of work along is of the least concerns let alone that the expectation is to pretend to work and stay in the office all day (most Indians themselves just being extremely unproductive and staying in the office all day).
Good luck, and I hope you find something better soon!
spencerwi@reddit
That sounds like the experience of getting acquired by Salesforce.
PTTCollin@reddit
Find somewhere new to work.
Fluffatron_UK@reddit
Sure, let me just strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire myself off into job land where jobs grow on jobbies!
Source
dipstickchojin@reddit
In Scotland a jobbie is a turd, so props on accurately describing the enterprise employment panorama of the day.
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
That's the obvious answer, and I think about it every day, but it's extremely hard in this job market, so I'm not sure how good of an idea it is 🤔 I'd have to invest a ton of time/effort in it - time and effort that could be spent elsewhere.
npisnotp@reddit
Sadly it sounds like it's a matter of time, start looking for a job NOW.
Life's too short to have a shitty job.
ShoePillow@reddit
Where elsewhere?
Windyvale@reddit
The best time to find a job is when you have one. The worst time is when you don’t.
octatone@reddit
Now is the time to find the job, not after you inevitably are laid off. The writing is on the wall. If an external team is dictating your org structure and taking down your app and demanding rewrites, that’s all pointing to strategically making your entire org redundant.
big-papito@reddit
You are employed, it's easier now. It will be MUCH harder if you are unemployed.
OkidoShigeru@reddit
Might as well start phoning it in at work mate, no point putting in effort for a company that is gearing up to drop you anyway…
takenokosembe@reddit
Better to start now because it’s coming whether you like it or not.
npisnotp@reddit
Look a for a new job. Now.
Like your CTO, your team will probably be fired in the near-mid term.
Start interviewing now that you have leverage, otherwise when the shit hits the fan you may have a really hard time.
Take care of yourself, because according to what you're saying, the company won't.
caprisunkraftfoods@reddit
This is the private equity game. You take over a few superficially similar companies, load them up with debt, thrn squash them together and say "hey look how much more efficient we've made this conglomeration!" as they try to sell it on. It's basically house flipping for corporations.
This is far bigger than you, it's time move on unfortunately.
Horror-Primary7739@reddit
Same boat friend. We were a company of 150. Though our saas team was only 5 of us. We have a portfolio of incredibly loved tools. We had a 95% retention rate. Our goal was a fair product at a fair price.
Bought out by a multinational Corp. We got saddled with manager after manager. We gained nearly a manager per dev. They are just leaches. They kill our profit ratios and vastly weaken our ability to serve our customers.
I've learned engineers want to create value, MBAs want to extract value.
Individual-Brief1116@reddit
I've been through something similar when our parent company decided to "standardize" everything. The writing is on the wall, start looking now while you still have energy left.
throwaway_0x90@reddit
This has nothing to do with India or Indians.
I've been in startups for 10+ years. It is super-ultra-common that anytime a small company is bought out by a big one, eventually the big one starts tearing up the small one. In fact that was the standard expectation. Big company buys small, all RSU grants automatically vest, cash out and go find another job because you can just assume whatever you enjoyed about the job as a startup will dissolve.
HappyZombies@reddit
Yeah it’s over man, start applying and interviewing at different places. I recommend you stay there as long as you can until you get a new place/they let you go. With them letting you go you can maybe get a severance package and also apply for unemployment. And if you get severance package don’t forget to ask for more still lol
If you quit now/soon won’t be able to do any of that.
freza223@reddit
Start searching for another job asap
a5s_s7r@reddit
It's game over
Call the CTO, get an CEO, look for an investor, hire the old team and rebuild the product again and sell to your current product base.
Don't get aquired by the current F500 again.
This is mainly a joke, but maybe it isn't.
Sorry, you have lost a great work place.
donalmacc@reddit
Disagree - get acquired and make retirement level money, and the next time don’t get acquired
mechkbfan@reddit
Do it again but make sure you have a stake in the company
BoBoBearDev@reddit
This is normal to all buyout. It has nothing to do with US F500 or corporation. They buy you to get the clients and portfolios, not the technology and not the devs/workers.
For example, my mom works as purchasing lead, a life line of the import company. Once the company was sold, they start to put their own management and eventually push my mom out. And the company sank. They don't care how to keep the operations running smoothly. They don't care about quality. They are going to replace you one way or the other.
Maleficent_Tank2199@reddit
Yes experienced the same, start job hunting, take your time and up your application game. It’s gonna be rough at the beginning.
Since you’re in Europe it’s likely that the US just gonna fire you and most of the time they want you gone NOW which means nice severance packages.
Thanks to that I could buy a home debt free.
inglandation@reddit
Have you guys seriously considered building a startup with the same product? If you truly believe they’ll end up killing the company it makes sense.
ShoddyNorth7794@reddit
how are you coping with the increased compliance demands?
CompetitiveProof3078@reddit
Yep went through similar and have friends who've been in the same position in different companies too
Brace yourself for a huge clash during the transition, potential layoffs etc, then also the huge drop in standard if you haven't had an Indian manager before
Start interviewing now, even if market is tough you'll be glad you did
paagul@reddit
They did not buy your company, they bought your users and they want them on their main platform. They can’t claim their main platform grew if the users stay in your app.
Start looking.
Think_Dependent_1990@reddit
Microsoft?
NightSp4rk@reddit (OP)
No, but there are lots of big US orgs that operate very similarly, unfortunately.
Anttu@reddit
Walmart is exactly like that.
sdwvit@reddit
Apparently, I have dodged a bullet there at the start of my career and did go to work for wallmart
General-Jaguar-8164@reddit
Interview casually and quiet quit
rudiXOR@reddit
There is no way out other than finding a new job. If you can justify it with your work ethics, simply do the absolute minimum and coast your way out.
big-papito@reddit
You enjoyed it while it lasted, but it's over.
sleepyguy007@reddit
this happened to me 15 ish years ago, when we got taken over by ibm during the financial crisis when our execs got scared we'd die (and it turned out we'd have been fine and worth much more the next year). all our projects were to try to port all our stuff to use ibm stuff, like ibm db2 and java , when we were a win32 shop using microsoft stuff. we even had to use lotus notes..... they fired all their people working on a similar product and renamed our product the name of their product..... eventually i know they went back to the much better reputation name we had. I want to say everyone left the minute our shares vested so at least I didn't have to stay around for that. you're lucky they left you alone for a little while at least, get out if you can, though this is a very bad time to be looking unfortuantely
mega-stepler@reddit
How to cope?
Remember that you are still rich and doing good.
Do your own startup if you want.