ULPT Request: Neighbor dude filming young kids day camp

I don't agree with the filming, obviously, but it's absolutely shit that his peace has been ruined. No one's home life should be ruined by without concent by the intrusion of noisy children, cares and cars.

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sociologicalillusion@reddit

It's a summer camp, so the noise is short-lived. But also, I mean, what about community? Kids need to have space too. If he doesn't want to be in society, then he can move into a forest or something. Groups of people make noise. Kids deserve things for them. In a functional society, everyone gives some leeway for everyone else. I don't see the issue. If he's upset about traffic and parking, he can petition his council for safe bike paths, public transport, and other traffic reduction measures. But filming Kids isn't the answer.

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Son_Of_Toucan_Sam@reddit

You’re acting like it’s an ore refinery. It’s not on his property and it’s not an unreasonable business so whatever expectation that “no one should have to be subjected to society operating around them” is pretty ridiculous

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bluedelvian@reddit

Noise pollution is noise pollution, whether it's caused by machines or screaming kids.

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Silver_surfer_3@reddit (OP)

The property is large and it’s across the street, there are also not that may kids

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bluedelvian@reddit

According to you.

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FilthyThanksgiving@reddit

LOL you made all that up

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NecroVelcro@reddit

As I laid out the noise types: no, I didn't. You're trying to make an argument out of things that I didn't say.

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Amonette2012@reddit

Amd parents blocking his driveway because they'll just be there a sec!

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Silver_surfer_3@reddit (OP)

The camp has its own parking area and no one is ever near the guys property, his property is actually across the street and diagonal, doesn’t even border the camp. There’s also no way he can hear the kids, the property is large and there aren’t that many kids

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Amonette2012@reddit

Oh ok, then yeah that is a bit odd.

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dong_destroyer69420@reddit

Stand on public land and yell "His father was a hamster and his mother smelled of elderberries" in a French accent. Bonus if you can yell said taunt from a castle wall and build a large mobile wooden rabbit. Unexpected Monty Python might catch him off guard and lower his camera.

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MorgainofAvalon@reddit

You need a cow and catapult for effect.

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cuntliflower@reddit

childish and typical reddit unserious reply to something that’s genuinely very creepy.

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Fr3sh3stl4d@reddit

And fart in his general direction

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newshirtworthy@reddit

Lot of judgement in the comments for a bunch of unethical pricks (affectionately)

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EsseLeo@reddit

Some local news station is certain to want to pick up a story of a guy filming little kids and the cops doing nothing

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Albert14Pounds@reddit

Sounds like he'd appreciate that attention also.

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Ozzie-Isaac@reddit

he is a miserable old man. I mean what harm is this really doing and what do you get from this? you keep this up and you will be him one day.

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FilthyThanksgiving@reddit

What if he's a pervert

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Albert14Pounds@reddit

A pervert would do it discretely. This guy is being obvious about it to make a point.

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bluedelvian@reddit

Sounds like he only films when the parents are around fucking up his driveway, so... not likely.

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Silver_surfer_3@reddit (OP)

No one is near his driveway, his property is across the street and diagonal on the cross street perpendicular to the street parents drive on.

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bluedelvian@reddit

So his property borders the road where all the traffic is?

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scottfarris@reddit

What if you're a pervert?

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Ozzie-Isaac@reddit

and what if he isnt?

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Amonette2012@reddit

Yeah they might not have permission to cause a massive amount of noise and fuck up the traffic twice a day. To get it shut down he needs evidence.

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Citizen44712A@reddit

This doesn't sound like a rural area in my mind.

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ScarInternational161@reddit

I'd put a big sign in your yard with an arrow point to his house that says "this man takes pictures of little kids all days and it's creepy and the police won't stop him"

It's not a lie... its the truth. Parent will see it, he will see it. Police will get calls, neighbor will be thought of as a pervert so maybe he will stop.

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jersey169@reddit

And the one putting the sign up can be charged with harassment if it leads to people bothering him because of the sign. Yes, it’s a protected activity but it has consequences if it creates trouble.

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ScarInternational161@reddit

Then maybe the police should do something about it to avoid their "troubles". As long as the resulting troubles are also protected activities, then there are, quite literally, no problems officer.

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Freshouttapatience@reddit

I’m a crazy sign lady and got warned by the police to knock it off or I’d be in trouble warning people about the pedophiles.

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Unknown_Cloud_777@reddit

That is beyond creepy as fuck. I don’t know what there is to do, just confirming any adult taping a minor is a freak.

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stargazer0519@reddit

I would just call the police non-emergency line every time a random man who isn’t a dad of one of the little children tries filming said children.

This just feels like bad foreshadowing for a really bad crime.

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jersey169@reddit

So you like to report people who aren’t breaking the law because you don’t like what they’re doing? He’s on his own property viewing a public area

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Son_Of_Toucan_Sam@reddit

Why are you defending this behavior?

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jersey169@reddit

I’m neither condemning or condoning the behavior, just pointing out that he isn’t breaking any laws. People want to go after others because they don’t agree with what they do, and think it’s wrong/illegal just because they don’t like it.

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Unknown_Cloud_777@reddit

It’s suspicious behavior, something that you’re totally allowed to report… and the authorities are the ones to determine if it’s legal or not… there are many laws and I’m sure the police could come up with something to issue a citation or warning or something more aggressive

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art-of-war@reddit

What a comment.

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jersey169@reddit

Suspicious behavior isn’t a crime. Being on your property recording is no different than your doorbell recording the general public view.
The cops “coming up with something” would be an illegal made up charge and a first year lawyer would have it tossed. They can search whatever they want and would not have a crime to legitimately prove

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Unknown_Cloud_777@reddit

Whatever, like I said.. leave it up to the authorities. That’s creepy behavior. Definitely should fall under stalking , harassment, disturbing the peace, etc. I don’t think you actually know what you’re talking about in terms of the law.

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fidelesetaudax@reddit

More likely the day care could be charged with harassment (blocking his driveway); disturbing the peace (kids screaming loudly for hours); etc.

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jersey169@reddit

Think and believe what you want. Like I said just because you think something should be classified as something and it’s not doesn’t matter. The laws are very clear and even if the cops made a charge, it wouldn’t hold up.

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Unknown_Cloud_777@reddit

K, thanks for your unqualified opinion.

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FilthyThanksgiving@reddit

Yikes i find it really disturbing that your thought process is, "call the police, they'll think of something to arrest the guy or give him a ticket! Duh!"

Like are you OK? Do you hear yourself?

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scottfarris@reddit

I used to record my kids sports. Am I a freak?

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Unknown_Cloud_777@reddit

Did you film minors without their consent with the intent “to agitate”.

Read between the lines, my statement is obviously directed at the OP’a post..

No need to be obtuse.

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thewharfartscenter_@reddit

Stand on public property by the drop off with a sign stating that there is a man is recording them and their children at drop off daily. Point angry parent in his direction, or provide his publicly available address on the sign. He wouldn’t be doing it again if he was recording my kid.

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Frequent_Opportunist@reddit

There's dozens of cameras recording you and your kid every time you're in public and you don't do shit about it.

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ticala8489-@reddit

>He wouldn’t be doing it again if he was recording my kid.

How's that?

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scottfarris@reddit

Your kid is currently being recorded anytime they go in public spaces. What are you doing? Nothing, that's what I thought.

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jersey169@reddit

And your kid would watch you getting hauled off in handcuffs because he is doing nothing wrong.

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NightMgr@reddit

Oh go big.

Parent gets mad at cop and shot.

Kid disabled by falling, dying dad.

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oneshadeoff@reddit

Nothing illegal maybe. Wrong? Not sure you're right about that.

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Dragon_Small_Z@reddit

Cause he's a big tough guy with big tough muscles.

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FilthyThanksgiving@reddit

This is great

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Tomj_Oad@reddit

That's actually a legal and public but obnoxious way to do it. I approve

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Amonette2012@reddit

Hmm. If the business is unlicensed and he's trying to get it shut down because of noise amd traffic, which would be fair if it was just started with no permission, he would need evidence and the drop offs and pickups would be the obvious thing to film... it might be he's not filming kids for the sake of filming kids, more gathering evidence of an inconsiderate business.

Kids day centres are noisy and parents are inconsiderate parkers.

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Nother1BitestheCrust@reddit

This is a terrible unethical life hack.

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bluedelvian@reddit

I would also not enjoy having a kid's summer camp/school bordering my property.

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SudburySonofabitch@reddit

Are the kids naked or something?

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scottfarris@reddit

He's asking for a friend.

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Galavantinggoblin@reddit

I’m Sorry but I’d be pissed if a day camp opened up next to me if I lived in a rural area. This is very likely him being mad his peaceful existence has been shattered by the annoyances that come with parents and kids in and out all day. And if I were him I’d be posting here saying “ULPT daycare just opened up Next to me in a rural area, it’s loud and the traffic all day sucks, how can I shut it down”

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ThermostatMcGee@reddit

Check local state stalking laws. People tend to think of stalking as just men creeping on women, but in most states the statutes are written to encompass far more.

It's generally a pattern of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear. Cops will often argue and not want to deal with it, but you could maybe post in online community groups with that state statute and explain why this guy is a stalker. Idk - may be too ethical to qualify.

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jersey169@reddit

Standing on your own property recording people in public isn’t even close to stalking. The man is well within his rights and the letter of the law to continue doing what he’s doing. It doesn’t matter who’s upset or feelings are hurt, he isn’t breaking the law

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ThermostatMcGee@reddit

It absolutely can be. In some states no, in many states yes. It doesn't matter if he's on his own property or if he's in public. If it's a pattern of behavior that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear or harassed then in many states it meets the legal definition of stalking or harassment.

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lun4d0r4@reddit

I'd just flat out report him to the police for actively filming children.

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jersey169@reddit

It’s not illegal. Besides he’s on his own property. Can we report you because your security camera records kids walking past?

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Henri_Bemis@reddit

Do you not understand the difference between a passive security camera where the footage is only checked if there’s an incident, and an actual sentient person actively recording a children’s day camp from his yard?

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jersey169@reddit

I understand the difference. Do you not understand that it’s not illegal to record anything in public regardless of whether you think it’s right or not.

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Henri_Bemis@reddit

It’s also not illegal to think someone taking videos of strangers’ children is a fucking weird and tell them to piss off.

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FlowerComfortable889@reddit

If ever there was a candidate for being absolutely annihilated with Frispees, this guy is the winner

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oneshadeoff@reddit

I assume you mean piss frisbees

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FlowerComfortable889@reddit

Call me a snob, but I prefer branded discs made of frozen urine for hurling at enemies

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Aggravating_Act0417@reddit

Call police or dcf on him

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jersey169@reddit

Hello police, there’s a man in public on his own property filming others in public and it’s hurting my feelings. He’s not breaking any laws and can’t be made to stop no matter how much anyone cries about it.

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Puceeffoc@reddit

Figure out his routine. Get a woman to meet him during his normal routine. Have her flirt with him and hopefully get a date with him. Then she starts going on a few dates with him then eventually he'll invite her over. She'll ask for his Wi-Fi info and password. BINGO now you're in. Park outside his house late at night with a used laptop that CANNOT be traced back to you or where you purchased it from.

You know what, I had a whole plan but I can't remember where I was going with this... Maybe like mess up his wifi password or something.

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