Why is it that EVERY car has people who swear that they’re all pieces of shit? And who do I believe?
Posted by Apprehensive_Fan6001@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 129 comments
No matter what car it is, somebody will almost always complain that a certain year’s engine is known to blow up, or the transmission, or any other manner of things. Theres no way that every car sucks, so who do I believe?
PlsCheckThisBush@reddit
It all depends on the car and the owner. And there are outliers to everything here.
A Japanese car is a responsible decision usually made by responsible people. Hence they get regular maintenance and don’t break as often. Most aren’t built for thrills, they’re built for purpose and that purpose is reliability so second-hand owners can usually keep them going even when neglected.
A German car is a decision made for driving experience and luxury/tech. The original owners likely don’t keep them past the warranty and everything is dealer-serviced up until that point. The stigma comes from second-hand owners buying the depreciation and skipping maintenance because that $20k S-class still has $100k maintenance. And they like to run right. If they don’t, they will absolutely let you know and become another statistic.
An Italian car is a pure passion purchase. They’re flashy and come with ridiculous features that nobody would even consider normal or practical, but that’s the charm. The first owner paid a fortune and wants everyone to know it. The second owner paid a fortune and wants everyone to know it. You don’t see them driven often as they’re completely impractical, expensive to run, break a lot, and scary to be around “normal” cars that can completely ruin it with a door ding.
A Korean car is a budget purchase. They come with nicer materials and tech than their Japanese counterparts, but with that comes a lack of refinement. You’ll have silly issues pop up but they’re still a regular car and they stand by their warranty. The mismatch here is when you sell the cheapest cars you get the cheapest buyers. And that means skipping maintenance from day 1. This is how the problems start and why they have the negative stigma on them.
An American car is a utility/pride purchase. You want that big ass truck/SUV that can do everything? You want the biggest engine we can fit into the smallest car? You want parts available down the street? They’ve got you covered. The issue is they’ve lobbied against all competition, and their build quality has gone into the toilet over the years because they can. Lots of features come late or never and they’re getting just as complex as a lot of other brands. But again, parts are available and for the longest time American cars were comically easy to keep running.
There’s outliers here for everything. Nissan with the CVTs for a while, the Toyotas with sand in the engine, the indestructible Mercedes OM diesels, etc. But 9 times out of 10 it isn’t catastrophic failure from nothing, the owner kept turning up the radio or ignoring check engine lights until it went from “fix me” to “tow me.”
SkiyeBlueFox@reddit
I'm still pissed at the death of the practical north American car. They exist sure but not nearly the same state as they used to. My Chevy spark is solid gold and theres just not really anything that fits the same to me as the spark. Most other hatches either have designs that piss me off (seriously why is your "hatchback" just a sedan where the glass comes up too???? Looking at you Honda...) or like the Mitsubishi mirage have an i3 which isn't my cup of tea. Choice is baby engine or full electric, neither of which fully fit what I want. Desperately wish I could get my exact car in a hybrid.
Competitive-Double67@reddit
Based write up, agreed as someone whos worked on many brands but not all.
Steffiluren@reddit
There is a certain degree of «I like X, therefore I must hate Y», which I find moronic. Talk to the die-hard Toyota Enthusiasts that claim the RAV4 handles well, and they’ll probably claim that anything european is unreliable. Talk to die hard Ford guys and they’ll claim anything chevy is crap.
Talk to the people that own them. Look around forums and owners groups for what issues they need help with. This also applies to mechanics. They’re not familiar with all cars, and anything unfamiliar has a higher chance of being labeled terrible to work on.
My perspective is that if you’re not getting a nuanced answer, you shouldn’t take it as facts. There are to many variables to generalise.
TheWhogg@reddit
It’s way easier to service a 7 series than a GM. I’ve had both of the same vintage.
Annual-Duty-6468@reddit
I think this is arguably the best take I have seen on Reddit on the differences in car brands, and their owners. Bravo to you for having a calm focused insight.
CLSonReddit@reddit
If you scan a cross section of content common themes emerge. AI tools are really good at scanning content. Tet a prompt such as “list top 5 cars with lowest maintenance costs. Use. $xxx-$yyy as purchase price. “ you will get compiled info and sources.
TheThinDewLine@reddit
I have a 1996 Lexus LX450 - Original trans and engine, still runs butter smooth. My advice is this: Stop listening to the talk and try finding real examples like mine. Cars that have proven themselves with evidence and results by withstanding the test of time. Not boomers in their wheelchairs posting on reddit.
ramooage1@reddit
It's a few reasons. 1) something that isn't theirs; is automatically bad 2) for the prices of modern cars. They are pieces of shit 3) most German cars require extensive maintenance plans, that American culture doesn't follow. So they break 4) modern American cars are JUST as complex as German cars, so now their maintenance schedules are just as important. And people STILL don't follow them
Hawk13424@reddit
Vehicles should not require maintenance beyond routine fluid/filter/pad changes. If they do then they haven’t been built with long-term reliability in mind.
ramooage1@reddit
Well this is just a clown ass opinion. Wiper blades. Brake rotors. Control arms. Wheel bearings.
Metal on metal. A brick containing controlled explosions, and things that rotate thousands of times a minute.
Nothing lasts forever. And that's coming from a guy with a car about to break 300k. And a second at 225k (miles)
Hawk13424@reddit
Rotors and wiper blades sure. I consider those routine maintenance.
In 40 years of owning mostly Toyotas (3 trucks, Corolla, RAV4) I’ve never needed control arms or wheel bearings replaced. I keep most of my vehicles for 15 years and about 200K miles.
Let me explain it this way, I’ve never had to take my vehicles to the dealer/shop. Fluids, filters, pads, rotors, wiper blades, batteries, plugs, etc. can all be done at home. Tires are the only thing I’ve needed to go have done.
ramooage1@reddit
It genuinely just sounds like you probably need control arms, struts, and engine mounts but you're too blind to know lol.
They're items they hold 3-6k pounds every single moment of every day. The ball joints get worn out.
You should go get a vehicle inspection! Stay safe
SevenDrunkMidgets@reddit
If you live in the rust belt and especially in a major city, you’re going to have to replace suspension components eventually.
Competitive-Double67@reddit
Really depends on mileage. Unfortunately automatic transmissions are a flunk of a design, at around 200-250 many toyos shit the bed, this is really every car brand these days tho, and by these days I mean the last 30 years of AT. Everything around the AT on my 01 lexus with 222000m is running honestly, like new. My frame, being from south florida could probably take over a million miles, hence why im dropping my subframe and throwing a tranny in my driveway, yeah it sucks, but, they dont make cars like this anymore!
TheCamoTrooper@reddit
And the American ones that are as complex are also worse quality to begin with due to the focus on cost cutting
Fuzzy_Yossarian@reddit
Yes but Americans have American parts and American mechanics.
TheCamoTrooper@reddit
Well American mechanics installing Chinese parts, and its not like American mechanics only work on Ford Chevy and dodge
AwarenessGreat282@reddit
lol....that hasn't been true for a decade.
th3l33tbmc@reddit
Right, both of which are lower quality than German ones.
stchman@reddit
And you have proof of that?
BlutarchMannTF2@reddit
Germany is not known for their quality in industry anymore, so I wouldn’t necessarily say that.
Floppie7th@reddit
I mean, the mechanic working on your car is very likely in whatever country you're in.
goranlepuz@reddit
Indeed, that compounds the problem.
ajaxburger@reddit
That’s just not how that works
darkearwig@reddit
I remember renting a Passat, that was the most uncomfortable drive I've ever had
Better-Credit6701@reddit
I drove one once. It looks like a four year old drawing a car without any distinguishable features
tuckedfexas@reddit
VW is dogshit, my family has been obsessed with them and they’ve all been problems
SevroAuShitTalker@reddit
The issue with German cars is the maintenance cost is significantly higher. They are well made, you just pay a big premium for them
ClickKlockTickTock@reddit
Totally depends. I love workin on my N52, only car I've had with a similar ease of ability to work on it was an 02 silverado with that huge engine bay.
Even my almost 20 year old toyota with a tiny 4 cyl requires me to loosen the engine mounts and lift the engine out to just change a serpentine belt tensioner. Shits foul. Only "difficult" job I've had to do on my bmw so far has been the valve cover, which was simple, and still took less time than changing motor mounts on my Toyota lol. Youd think with how much everyone boasts corollas theyd be easy to work on and cheap but I've spend 50% more on that PoS than my bmw.
SevroAuShitTalker@reddit
Cost of parts is higher usually.
The average person nowadays is having a dealer do big stuff, and european car places tend to charge more
TheWhogg@reddit
Which parts? Every part I’ve had to replace has been cheaper than a Toyota.
nightmareFluffy@reddit
Most of them? A single window regulator on my Porsche cost $1000 for parts alone. Alternator costed several times a Toyota alternator. I sold my Porsche because parts cost too much and everything kept breaking.
I have an Audi now. The dealer service just to look at a tire, without fixing anything, was $600. That's way more than Toyota charges. I use an independent Audi mechanic now so it's cheaper. But from my experience owning a few European cars, they do cost more.
TheWhogg@reddit
I had a quick look at regulators for my 7 series. A new aftermarket one from the good German makers is 70 euro. Genuine is USD308 from BMW if you want to pay the dealer tax (which I don’t).
Not saying BMW dealer parts are cheap. I’m saying I buy OEM parts cheap.
Mandingy24@reddit
Yeah this is all very dependant on the part. An alternator for a 2007 Benz E350 can be the same price or cheaper as one for a same year Corolla. Just looking at a common parts store chain, off-brand remanufactured for the E350 is $140, Corolla is $230
Hawk13424@reddit
Except in 40 years of owning Toyotas I’ve never had to change the alternator. Just fluids, filters, pads, tires, batteries, plugs. No other unscheduled repairs on any of them.
TheWhogg@reddit
Nice. The one that shocked me was aircon blower fan. I got the ultra premium OEM+ one from Pierburg for 100 euro because my wife is worth the extra 15 euro. Fits a RR Ghost. Corolla one was about 200 euro.
loggywd@reddit
Which Toyota?
Prize-Lychee7973@reddit
in the us yeah, the c class standard fare mercedes is shockingly cheap to maintain in germany and stupidly expensive in the usa.
newtonreddits@reddit
Also it's a pretty big generalization too. There are German cars that are massive pieces of shit regardless of maintenance (example is early W220, personal experience). Then there's stuff that's basically Toyota reliable (B58 vehicles).
Obviously same goes for American and Asian cars. Shop generation, model and engine, not brand.
Mandingy24@reddit
Unfortunate 2003 W220 victim here, the facelifted models were supposed to have less issues but mine definitely didnt. Still loved it while i had it, absolutely mechanically sound except for that shitty plastic shifter piece notorious for breaking, but man were the electronics a pain once they started to have problems
TheWhogg@reddit
B58 cars are still unreliable. The B58 reputation is for strong internals. The externals like OFH are made of cardboard.
TheWhogg@reddit
Which maintenance item is expensive? I drive a 7 series with the larger brakes off a 760i or RE Ghost. I recently priced rear pads - OEM was 26 euro.
Dzessito@reddit
How much are the front ones?
ramooage1@reddit
Control arms were $40 ea. Brakes are cheap (7 series has monster brakes) Engine stuff is fairly cheap if you can get it.
Cosmetic stuff is expensive
TheWhogg@reddit
Haven’t looked - mine are still 80% and will outlast the car. But wouldn’t be more than 40 euros I imagine.
TheWhogg@reddit
German cars specify extremely lax maintenance schedules. People are going to DV that but it’s a fact.
My CBS tells us that both our cars have 31,000km to their next oil change or 2 years. I change at 8-9T km. The book tells me never to change my diff oil, transmission fluid or power steering fluid. That’s also nuts.
Huge-Ad8279@reddit
They are simultaneously right and wrong for different reasons
JTREED99@reddit
It’s a combination of car manufacturers really have gotten pretty bad, blaming manufacturing costs and modern fuel efficiency requirements, the pace of life and cost of things leads people to delay critical maintenance, and social media gives people a platform for widespread communication. When someone feels wronged by a manufacturer they tend to be pretty vocal about it. For example, we had a long term plan. That plan involved buying a brand new 2019 Toyota, maintaining it meticulously, paying it off in less than 5 years, and going at least 5-7 years without a car payment. Well the trans started failing around 70K miles. A transmission service (that Toyota said was unnecessary and not possible) was able to milk it out to 90K miles. Turns out there are widespread known issues with this particular transmission. Since I wish more than anything someone had warned me, I tend to warn anyone I come across where applicable. The issue for us was that this trans was only in use for 1.5-2 years at the time, and the widespread failures were not being reported yet. MOST people mean well when they say things like that, but some people are jealous assholes. You combine those two groups and lo and behold you can find negative accounts of every single make and model. The key is 1) don’t blindly trust any manufacturer 2) research the specific powertrain combo of what you’re looking at, if it’s new and unproven don’t buy it 3) talk to actual mechanics, use actual reliability tracking websites, and just say cool story bro to someone that doesn’t have the skill and experience to know the difference.
Novel-Current139@reddit
There aren't really any reliable statistics for this kind of stuff, it's not like anybody other than the manufacturers are doing real controlled test on cars. The car market is huge, 16 million cars are sold every year, if even 0.5% of those have some kind of catastrophic failure in their warranty period, that means 800000 news cars every year are doomed to fail, which is a lot of unhappy people. I don't know what the actual number is but I suspect it's lower than 0.5%, which means greater than 99.5% of cars do fine.
Better-Credit6701@reddit
I have some. Used to work for a super large used car company with over 150 lots and I kept track of repairs, the mileage at the repair time, cost of repair (dealers cost), make model of hundreds of thousands of cars sold over decades.
Comfortable-Study-69@reddit
This; it’s easy to know what issues cars commonly have (and basically all cars have at least some issues) but it’s very hard for consumers to find out the actual frequencies of those issues and how much driving style and maintenance come into play. Data on mechanical issues is a loose amalgam of NHTSA complaints, Consumer Reports surveys, JD Powers (🤮) ratings, anecdotal data, mechanic hearsay, and RepairPal info, and it’s all frustratingly spotty, inaccurate, and/or biased.
Prize-Lychee7973@reddit
maybe, just stick with me here for a moment. Modern cars are generally pieces of shit with horrible repairability relative to price. i mean sure you can get 300k out of most of them but they need major work thats thrice as expensive and its a mess.
Blu_yello_husky@reddit
Because no car is perfect and displeased people are often the loudest people
ruddy3499@reddit
After more than 30 years have learned that any car be a lemon or last forever. It’s a crapshoot and buying a more reputable vehicle and performing maintenance only increases your odds a bit
doc-sci@reddit
Believe yourself. If you like it…it is a good car!
Skid-Vicious@reddit
There are some people who could fuck up a cannon ball.
Silly_Hurry_2795@reddit
I've been told I'd fuck up a ball bearing based on the amount of things that I break.
I need to up my game to get to cannonball level
UmatterWHENiMATTER@reddit
Did the person who told you that think it was difficult to F a ball bearing? 0.002" diameter steel shaving could wreck your ball bearing in seconds.
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
That’s upped the bar. I would go with toast.
Rattus-Norvegicus1@reddit
There's a lot of people on reddit.
There are a lot of people who don't take care of their cars
You only see the complaints
The complaints mostly come from people who don't do the maintenance.
If you keep up with the maintenance just about any car will easily make it to 100,000 or more miles w/o problems. Most will make it to 200K without a lot of problems. There are some cars which really do suck, check Consumer Reports to find out which ones they are.
Rapom613@reddit
At the same time, people have different ideas of what constitutes broken. For me if it starts and goes where I want, I’m generally happy, I don’t mind it having a warning light on the dash about the air suspension so long as the suspension continues to work
SenorCardgay@reddit
No, every car is shit, some are just less shit than others, and easier to fix.
Rapom613@reddit
The vast majority of people have no direct experience with cars they call a piece of shit, and simply parrot what the internet tells them.
Most people don’t properly take care of their car, and are shocked when it breaks. They also confuse expensive to service with unreliable.
too-left-feet@reddit
There is a bell curve to describe the reliability of every car model. Each curve has a two tails, one which includes a subset of cars that are very reliable and one that includes cars with excessive problems. If someone has experience with one of the cars that has excessive problems, then they naturally assume that every one of this car model will have excessive problems.
The information to focus on isn’t the tails, it’s the middle of the curve,… it tells us, on average,what reliability to expect from a specific car model. To get this average we need to look at a reasonably sized subset of the car model, a single person’s experience is insufficient. The place that I know of to get this kind of information is Consumer Reports,… their system isn’t perfect, but it does collect data from a large number of owners so it should show a reasonably accurate depiction of expected reliability.
rodeo302@reddit
The answer is easy, they all break, they all have their problems, and they are all pieces of shit. It depends on what you wanna deal with.
KJ_Blair@reddit
I love my 2011 mustang GT
KJ_Blair@reddit
I love my 2011 mustang Gt
7eregrine@reddit
Much of it is left over from the 80s and 90s. When Ford, Chrysler and GM started making disposable cars. Almost on purpose. They were too comfortable with not much competition. People started to niece that Toyota and Honda were building cars that not only lasted, but were easy to work on. They are still paying the price…40
U2LN@reddit
Mind you those Japanese cars are still running
Confident_Chipmonk@reddit
My 23 yo Honda is 100% functional. Nothing is broken, except the upholstery on the drivers side seat. I’d venture to guess that it could run another 200k miles with proper maintenance
No_Topic5591@reddit
They mostly are. Cars peaked in the mid-'00s.
That's when you had engines like the Honda K20, K24 and N22, and the VW 1.9TDi PD.
After that, emissions limits started forcing the introduction of DMFs, DPFs and PPFs, EGR coolers, wet timing belts, undersized turbocharged petrol engines, etc, and cars started including more complex electronics etc - all of which are a disaster for reliability.
But of course, anything from the mid-'00s or earlier is likely going to be inherently unreliable (and probably rusty), just because it's now 20+ years old, so you can't win.
fitnessCTanesthesia@reddit
Ppl with bad experiences speak louder and more than the people with good experiences.
JCDU@reddit
Cars are machines, machines have moving parts that can break, wear out, and they all need maintenance.
Mechanics ONLY see the stuff that breaks, and if you see 1000's of cars you're going to encounter a few that are a huge pain in the ass or have something catastrophically wrong with them - so that becomes their story about ALL of those cars because that's how humans work.
I've owned a few cars that were notorious for major problems and yet mine were actually great and never had a problem because I knew what the issues were, did the fixes that were well known, and maintained them so the problem never came back. But everyone told me those cars were TERRIBLE and were going to leave me stranded and broke.
RelevantMarket8771@reddit
It’s amazing how those “unreliable” cars become a lot more reliable when you follow the maintenance schedule. People believe lifetime fluids, 10k mile oil changes, etc and get mad when problems pop up.
samit2heck@reddit
Believe people who have owned or worked on them IN the economy and environment where that car is made. Most of the time someone bought a car that didn't suit their situation.
Im Aussie, and have moved around a bit. Always heard crap about Euro cars as a kid and back home i had an BMW e30 that was trouble even though i loved it. Hard to source simple parts etc. So i got myself a Chrysler Valiant and it was a beast. Totally bullet proof in Australia. When i moved to the Vienna Woods in Austria i bought a little Alfa Romeo. It's perfect for the roads i drive and parts are locally available etc. Doesn't need a "euro specialist" because all the mechanics here are euro specialist! My dad who is a mechanic was horrified! But it's been nothing but pleasant and fun to own.
ExcellentWinner7542@reddit
Do listen to anyone telling your to buy any Japanese or Korean car. For your financial safety lease don't buy.
Im_Not_Evans@reddit
Because ALL CARS ARE SHIT
Synicism77@reddit
Here's the thing. Quality gaps among different carmakers just aren't the same as they were during the 80's. Most cars are pretty much equivalent in quality to other cars in their price segment. So it's most important for you to drive the car and see how you and your family feel while in it. If the interior feels cheap or there is too much noise or some other bad experience, that's probably a disqualifier. When you drive it, that will also tell you a lot about the car. If it doesn't perform to your expectations, that's probably just as good a sign of a car's quality as a layperson can get.
Rough_Cancel7265@reddit
Try seeing if there are owners groups that can give you actual feedback. I had a Jaguar for nearly two years that everyone swore up and down would bankrupt me in repairs/maintenance. But talking to actual owners gave me enough confidence to buy it. I think I spent around $500 in maintenance and it was in the shop all of four days for a warranty paint repair/oil change/spark plugs.
SurlyJohn009@reddit
I use online maintenance records from each brand to see what is truth and what is bias.
Get the information from good sources, not ones that have money to make.
People in general have a bias towards a brand they might or might not own. I believe nothing from one person, but I do believe multiple opinions based on repeating issues like Hyundai's Theta II engine that self destructs.
RepresentativeStooj@reddit
A rule of thumb that used to be pretty consistent: A car runs as it’s designed to. if it’s driven properly, serviced on time, and looked after, it’ll go for as long as it’s built to.
Note: there are some horrible designed ones too, don’t get me wrong
The problem is that 90% of car owners don’t care so their cars will break down eventually and it’s suddenly a ‘this car is terrible’ dogma.
To add to this, nothing has jaded my opinion of a car more than being broken down on the side of the road and then being hit with a crazy repair bill.
Geezerglide1@reddit
NEVER believe anybody!
Pay your money and take your chances, make your own decisions!
wayne1160@reddit
Motor vehicles have become too complicated in order to meet emissions and CAFE standards. The demands of government have not met up with the realities of the limits of engineering. If you are old enough to remember cars and trucks of the 1980’s, with their computerised carburetors and anemic performance, it’s similar to that. If the government comes to their senses and realises this, and gives car companies time to refine their products, vehicle reliability will improve. If not, all cars and trucks will suffer from reliability issues. It appears the most reliable vehicles are now battery powered.
imachiknsamich@reddit
Anything with an automatic transmission is bad in my opinion
Except for the 1987 Buick GNX. That's a legend
PbCuSurgeon@reddit
Mechanical devices fail. All cars are garbage. Pick your poison.
I jest. Cars are expensive. So when failures occur, it’s a big financial hit if you can’t fix it yourself. Bad experience leads people to rant.
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
Seriously. It’s a god damn miracle that a car works at all, it’s tens of thousands of individual components, some of them spinning at several thousand RPM, and we expect them to get us the distance to the moon with nothing but an occasional oil change.
I’m thankful that the shit manages to leave my fucking driveway.
pm-me-racecars@reddit
All cars are bad cars. Some people haven't learned that lesson yet.
chefwoodworkerartist@reddit
Any car if you treat it like shit will be a piece of shit. And the people who neglected it won’t blame themselves for the state it’s in. Some cars if you treat them like shit will still last for ever
jaqattack02@reddit
Depends on the car. I've never seen anyone say that about the Panther platform cars. I'm sure there's some others out there which are similar. 90s Civics maybe?
mrhoofy@reddit
I think a lot of people, who say 'hate domestics' or 'find Japanese to be the most reliable' don't really drive in areas with a lot of salt.
I lived in Nova Scotia, Canada. Winter is high precipitation and the temperature is always around freezing, either a few degrees above or below. And there is salt from the ocean. In Nova Scotia, it doesn't matter what you buy, it will be destroyed in 10-15 years if you drive it between Oct. 1 and April 30.
So that Honda Civic made last longer than a Mazda 3, but they will both be dead in 10 years anyways.
Therefore out the door price is king. I'd consider a Chev Trax in Nova Scotia, cause it's cheap, the dealer won't ask sticker and it's good on fuel. I wonder never consider one here in BC.
You Toyota Camry's legendary longevity means nothing if it's 12 years old, you are on your 3rd set of rockers and all the strut mounts are powder.
Fresh_Internal_6085@reddit
People’s perception of a car is often influenced by their own maintenance and care habits.
You generally won’t find people who take meticulous care of their car complaining about its unreliability.
That’s why you see so many people complaining about German cars, but then you find out they bought it used at high miles and then only change the oil and filter every two years and nothing else.
In saying that, there are vehicles which have inherent reliability issues, but the conscientious owner can mitigate (to a degree) that with maintenance and care beyond the very bare minimum.
Careful_Thought_8386@reddit
Id agree with you on everything except when it comes to volkswagon.
Successful_Piano8118@reddit
This OP.
Full-Extent-6533@reddit
Ah not a Toyota
goranlepuz@reddit
<Why is it that EVERY ~~car~~product has people who swear that they’re all pieces of shit? And who do I believe?
It's people. There are too many of people and with them, all possible opinions will exist.
bigloser42@reddit
Because all cars that aren't mine are shit. And you should believe me, and only me.
Apprehensive_Fan6001@reddit (OP)
Particularly asking if the Elantra Hybrid is actually a piece of shit, or are people just being elitist?
traineex@reddit
Everything is garbage and getting worse. I can't even fix this junk without propiritary software access, that I don't have. The only safe purchase is the longest factory warranty, rinse, repeat
Oddly enough that's a Hyundai. It's all trash, expensive trash
PinkGreen666@reddit
I would never buy a modern Hyundai, they tend to have massive catastrophic engine failure issues
DJScaryTerry@reddit
Same for Honda and their 1.5t. You don't protest them.
SevroAuShitTalker@reddit
Hyundai kinda suck. My friend had one and he hated every second of ownership. It would clunk when the wheel turned (no one could figure out the cause), and for a period of time, it started shutting off on hard turns.
They are also easy to steal from my understanding
RicoViking9000@reddit
this sounds like something from 10 years ago
SevroAuShitTalker@reddit
Hyundai Elantra and Sonata are the top 2 most stolen cars in the USA
RicoViking9000@reddit
of what model years
SevroAuShitTalker@reddit
Dude, Google it if you dont believe me
RicoViking9000@reddit
ok, so 2011 - 2021 that come with the key'd ignition. going for the median here, a 2016 elantra, ONLY the base L trim has a physical key - everything else has push to start.
so you're telling me everyone's talking about a base trim hyundai?
DJScaryTerry@reddit
They're doing great from all I've seen. It's people being elitist.
PinkGreen666@reddit
I would never trust a modern Hyundai engine
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Yes
Hash-82@reddit
Hyundai (or Kia) anything has a much higher probability of POS-hood.
The 2.4L is legendary.
Hyundai/Kia have the highest catching fire rates of anything - even beating out the Jag iPace. The Hybrids are even worse.
The ICCUs fail in the Ioniqs so frequently you often have to wait months to get a replacement...
fm2n250@reddit
Your can see a list of complaints that owners have filed with the government.
Go to: https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls#vehicle
In the second box, which contains the text: "VIN or Year Make Model", type in the car that you're looking for, such as "2016 Hyundai Tucson". Click on "search".
When you see the data table, scroll to the right. Click the number under the "Complaints" column.
916Buckeye@reddit
All vehicles are junk because they're electric shavers posing as vehicles.
CAN bus problems, CVT transmissions, reflashing control modules, giant infotainment screens, manufacturer tracking your driving habit to sell to ins companies, this control module not talking to that control module, 100 control modules in your vehicle, junk ass batteries and my favorite is subscription applications after you paid 80k for the vehicle.
We had certain cars that got 100 mpg back in the 40's. There's not a new vehicle on the road that gets 100 mpg. So with all the technology advances we've gone backward in mpg.
oIVLIANo@reddit
Because people are quick to complain immediately, as soon as something is wrong. When things are just normally functioning, for days, months, years, even decades - nobody says anything.
So all you see are the negatives. For each negative thing, you don't see the tens of thousands of no commentary people who are just satisfied.
Similar_Garden6299@reddit
Stellantis. Nissan. Kia/Hyndai. Skip that whole garbage line.
PinkGreen666@reddit
Good advice. This sub is trash lmfao
Similar_Garden6299@reddit
This sub is like "What is wrong trying to find a wife from cornstars, OF models, and cam girls ... " LMAO
Apprehensive_Fan6001@reddit (OP)
So Hyundais besides the Elantra?
Fresh_Internal_6085@reddit
It’s that kind of generalisation you should completely ignore.
PinkGreen666@reddit
Honestly not true. Most people don’t look into specific make/model years or generations, or different engines within those. So telling someone to avoid a certain brand is easier and more efficient.
Most people don’t want to hear “Oh what you want is X from 2012, not the Y from 2013-2018 with the 2.2L.” or whatever.
Avoiding Kia/Hyundai/Stellantis/Nissan is genuinely good advice for most people. They make a lot of garbage products.
Fresh_Internal_6085@reddit
Every brand has good and not so good models.
If the only advice someone has to give is ‘don’t buy X brand’, then it’s probably best they give no advice at all.
I’d much rather someone say, ‘brand x has some known issues with X model, but model Y is generally fine’
It takes no more effort and gives the recipient of the advise more options at the end of the day.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
Can’t take those anecdotal examples seriously. Take them with a grain of salt.
Due_Government4387@reddit
Everything made and designed by humans will be a piece of shit. There isn’t a single complex machine in existence that isn’t somehow a piece of shit
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Every car that isn't mine is lesser.
kevin_kil@reddit
Hyundai and Kia has never been bad decisions for me 13 yr old Hyundai Tucson going on 200,000 miles 10 yr old Kia soul uses a bit of oil
Mechanical_Diag2@reddit
Recency bias also plays a factor. We harp on about the problems with cars over the past 10 years because it's relevant to us and the people around us. The reliable cars from the past that survived are the lucky ones or they were cared for well. Cars are way more reliable now, changing rings and bearings used to almost be part of the service schedule.
Hash-82@reddit
Some people have incredibly bad luck, and they have to blame something. God knows they won't blame themselves.
Some people are just stupid.
nixiebunny@reddit
The 2009 Honda Civic is wonderful. It has a few quirks, but they are quite minor. Hyundai is an entirely different story.
lunchbox651@reddit
So this is funny.
What I find is people find a problem with a manufacturer or model they don't like and they'll parrot it like it's guaranteed to happen.
What I have found is, like when buying anything, look at all positive reviews and then put them side-by-side with the negative ones. It will give you a more grounded outlook on what the car may be like to own.
People can be really weird about cars so you kind of have to compare the good and bad opinions to get a realistic view.