7800x3d vs 9800x3d | TheaterFire

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AlfaPro1337@reddit

Neither, as they are too dead, dated and unusable by AMD and PCMR standards. You should be buying the latest GOAT, gaming king cpu, 9950X3D2.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Wtf are you on about

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Iwassavingit@reddit

I got the 9800x3d because the tray CPU from Aliexpress ended up slightly cheaper in the end. Looked and, most importantly, works perfect.

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Rusko_2@reddit

Changed my oldy 5700x for 9800x3d... And oh boy... Its like changing Golf 5 2009 to M5 competion 2025/26 lmao

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Don’t know if you made up your mind. But I recently paired my 5070ti with a 9800x3d and it’s amazing. I say if you got the money shoot for it. Not only is the fps really good, but the stability on the 1% frames is 10/10

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Thanks mate

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drewts86@reddit

There’s a certain amount of “it depends”. In certain games or applications the 9800x3d will absolutely shine over the 7800. And then there are others where the GPU bottleneck will hit it first and the CPU doesn’t matter.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Pairing either with a 5070ti so hopefully there's wont be to many performances issues on my end

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gabeheadman@reddit

What games do you play? Couple instances where the 9800x3d actually pulls away.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Id probably fire up tarkov again, helldivers 2, arc raiders that sort of stuff

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gabeheadman@reddit

If you're gonna Tarkov:

https://youtu.be/nDXE05RnepI?t=414

Looks like the 9800x3d would be worth it for that game alone. Helldivers also benefits from it I've heard.

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angry_aardvark@reddit

Can confirm.

Tarkov will love any CPU/RAM performance you can throw at it.

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gabeheadman@reddit

It seems to be a thing with extraction shooters/BRs. Just too much fucking shit going on, so the fastest cpu/ram combo possible please. Also, from looking at benchmarks, holy shit tarkov sucks. It's worse than CoD/Warzone, which is saying something.

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angry_aardvark@reddit

Oh yeah, performance wise it's a mess, lol. But it's still one of my favorite games ever.

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drewts86@reddit

As the other commenter mention, Tarkov absolutely loves the 9800. You’ll get around 15-20% more frames over the 7800 but your lows will make the game feel even better.

When you get to dialing in the game for best performance, Klemintime has some good videos on settings to get the best out of your rig.

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drewts86@reddit

What card you pair it may not matter depending on the games you play or the applications you use. Some games are heavily CPU reliant like Tarkov, Path of Exile, MSFS, etc, while others will rely on your GPU more. Know what you’re planning on playing will help tailor advice to help you better.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

I think im just going to go for the 9800, I can afford it at the moment so why not

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ValarielAmarette@reddit

I can't speak for the 9800, but I've got the 7800 paired with my 5070ti and it is great for 1440

All games max settings, 120fps. MH Wilds needed 2x framegen to hit a stable 120 since it seemed to be hovering around 90 but if you don't consider framegen a drawback then it's no issue

GPU is at 95%+ utilisation anyway, so the CPU isn't the bottleneck

If you want that performance raw you'll need a better GPU, not CPU

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Bichaelcycle@reddit

I mean the 9800x3d is better but the 7800x3d will do anything you want it to do for 1440p. I dont know how common it is either but I've seen a good amount of people saying their 9800x3d died. IMO the 7800x3d is the best for price to performance.

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Ohmburger@reddit

I thought the 9800 dying was only due to a certain mobo

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Ill_Difference_4039@reddit

definitely not 10-25% faster

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EdErichZann@reddit

https://imgur.com/a/uBO8GVC

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Ill_Difference_4039@reddit

in the same video from hardware unboxed they say it's 8% faster on AVERAGE, which is what matters, not hogwarts legacy lol and this is in 1080p, the higher the resolution the smaller the difference

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MyzMyz1995@reddit

In gaming it’s 0-5% faster not 10-25. It’s also reported to die in multiple manufacturer motherboards.

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EdErichZann@reddit

it is 20% or so faster. you just don't see it in many games today that are limited by the GPU. but in the future you will see the difference more and more.

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kind_bros_hate_nazis@reddit

No it's not. The other poster is correct it's closer to 5% faster

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EdErichZann@reddit

https://imgur.com/a/uBO8GVC

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Afjoo@reddit

This post is about 1440p...

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EdErichZann@reddit

you test CPU performance at low resolutions so that you are not GPU limited. of course, if you play at game that is gpu limited even with the 7800, the fps with the 9800 will not be higher. The thing is: that does not mean that the 9800 is not faster, but only that that game does not need a faster cpu anyway.

The 9800 IS 20% faster, and you cannot argue against that by showing gpu-limited benchmarks.

then the question is if you need such a fast CPU for 1440p gaming. depends on the game... today, maybe not in many titles, but in some. In the future, when you upgrade your GPU, the advantage of the 9800 will increase. if that is worth the extra money to you, you have to judge yourself...

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SIDER250@reddit

By the time that is relevant, there will be way faster cpus. Also, you just showed Hogwarts Legacy as one example and those that play at 1440p are truly gpu limited, unless it is a specific game that benefits from 3D cache.

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EdErichZann@reddit

of course if you are gpu limited anyway, a faster cpu does not help much, that is logical. does not mean that the 9800 is faster though, just depends if you need the speed or not. and I think in the future you will max it out more often. if that's worth the money depends

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SIDER250@reddit

A faster gpu in future will give you more performance because a gpu is better than the one you have. A better gpu wont make 9800X3D magically faster than 7800X3D. Your logic is flawed. You think that once you have 6090 that 9800X3D would be 20% faster than 7800X3D, but that isn’t really how gpu limiting scenarios work at all. You gain fps at higher resolution because…

You got a better gpu that can push those frames. That is why most 1440p results have all cpus spread between 10% from last gen etc. 14600K at 1440p will get the same performance as 9800X3D or 7800X3D with same gpu. The difference is, which cpu will give you better frametimes (read: 0.1% lows and 1% lows) amd which game will take advantage of 3D cache cpus and which wouldn’t.

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Falkenmond79@reddit

It is in 1080p. At 1440p, even with DLSS, as long as the GPU is the limiting factor in any aspect of the game you are playing, there will be virtually no difference between the two CPUs, other than maybe a few fps in 1% lows. At 4K you might as well get a 12600 or a 5800x. 🤣

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EdErichZann@reddit

yes. when you are gpu limited, a faster cpu does not help. but that does not mean that the cpu is not faster. so it really depends what you play and how cpu requirements develop in the coming years. I plan to use my 9800 for a long time

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MyzMyz1995@reddit

No it's not. The only game where it is was hogwart legacy 4 years ago because it's poorly optimized junk. It's was clearly the game issue not the actual hardware causing this disparity. This game couldn't even run with 16gb of RAM at launch lol.

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Bichaelcycle@reddit

yeah im not too knowledgeable about that cause when i see that people say their cpu died they usually just say that and dont give any more details. i think you are right though i think its asrock mobos

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Diarrheuh@reddit

Asrock is awful

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isotope123@reddit

All board manufacturers are awful and amazing in turn. It was one generation ago everyone was glazing Asrock boards. There's no such thing as a good or bad board maker, just good and bad boards.

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Jennymint@reddit

I've had that mobo for a good while and it hasn't died. That's just one anecdote, but I deeply suspect that deaths are very rare. Nobody starts a new topic just to say that their CPU is still chugging.

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nuenoxnyx@reddit

The 7600x3D is the best for price to performance. It's not even close.

9800x3D current $440, 211 fps, $2.09 per fps

7800x3D current $325, 184 fps, $1.77 per fps

7600x3D current $200, 174 fps, $1.15 per fps

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

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Prize-Trainer-4290@reddit

agree

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Thankyou, im fortunate enough to be able to afford either at the moment

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chsn2000@reddit

Cost is the only disadvantage. 9800X3D is faster/more powerful and easier to cool.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Thankyou, im fortunate enough to be able to afford either at the moment

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Borigh@reddit

If price is no object, get the 9850X3D, which is strictly superior to both.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

For gaming too? I don't absolutely 0 work or anything on my pc purely play games

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Plenty-Industries@reddit

No.

They perform identically. 9850X3D simply has a 200Mhz higher boost clock. Thats it.

That translates to maybe 2% more performance.

Not that its a waste of money, but its pointless IMO. You're not going to see that 2% extra performance in any meaningful way. Even if the cost is $50 higher.

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Borigh@reddit

Yes, the 9850X3D is just a higher-binned version of the 9800X3D.

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GABE_EDD@reddit

The only disadvantage would be performance per dollar being slightly lower.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Thankyou, im fortunate enough to be able to afford either at the moment

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ScottyStellar@reddit

Power consumption so higher PSU needed. And watch out for burnouts on the 9800. Tons of reports of blown units I think with the ASrock motherboard i think

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Plenty-Industries@reddit

When I had a 7800X3D, it barely consumed 80watts under a full synthetic load in OCCT and Prime95. Stock out of the box.

When I got my 9800X3D, it hit 95watts.

On paper, the 9800X3D technically consumes more power.

The reality is that its only marginally higher than the 7800X3D and in order to step up a higher wattage PSU, the CPU power consumption would have to be significantly higher for it to actually make a difference.

Both CPUs, with an undervolt, barely hit 70w in both OCCT and Prime95.

In gaming, neither CPU ever got above 60watts. That included the 9800X3D being given a 200Mhz overclock.

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Fredasa@reddit

ASRock and ASUS.

My reflex is to avoid blaming the CPU but at the end of the day it's the user paying the price, and neither ASRock nor ASUS have ever covered the user costs for their hardware failures. So yeah, if they already have a board from one of those makers, this is a valid reason to skip the 9800X3D. The 7800X3D also fails at a higher rate on boards from those two makers but it's a different scope.

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airmantharp@reddit

Power consumption difference is trivial and scales with performance when there’s actually a difference.

The blowouts are still statistically below average failure rates in the class.

Neither are actual issues.

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Creative_Ship_6758@reddit

and temps too 9800x3d runs bit cooler

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PsyOmega@reddit

the surface temp is lower but the 9800X3D puts out a lot more actual heat.

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EdErichZann@reddit

a lot is a bit of an exaggeration , even the 9800x3d is a CPU with quite low power.

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dualOWLS@reddit

9800x3d also handles a decent -25 undervolt with temps ~70C on my rig, i assume the 7800x3d has similar capability.

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DragonQ0105@reddit

Ha, my 5800X3D still easily hits 90 in some games despite a -30 undervolt on 7 cores (-22 on the other).

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Falkenmond79@reddit

Most say -18 is pretty stable for the 7800x3d and mine Runs at -15 because I was too lazy to test the individual cores. 🤣

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lintstah1337@reddit

9800x3d has double the power consumption of 7800x3d.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/23.html

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haxt97@reddit

They are pretty similar in daily using and gaming from my experience, like only 10-15w lower with 7800x3d.

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Plenty-Industries@reddit

Get the 9800X3D.

There is no disadvantage with the 9800X3D.

It only has advantages over the 7800X3D:

The ability to overclock - 7800X3D is a locked CPU due to the placement of the extra cache acting as an insulator.

A higher ability to undervolt for even lower temps

400Mhz higher single core boost clock, also can potentially hit its boost clock on all cores based on temp headroom.

Its basically the only CPU you'll ever need for several years at least, without any need to upgrade.

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MyzMyz1995@reddit

It’s 0-5% faster in gaming for around 100$ more. It also fun hotter in gaming specifically for some reasons even though it’s more efficient in other task. Not worth it in my opinion but if you can afford it go for it.

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EdErichZann@reddit

https://imgur.com/a/uBO8GVC

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MyzMyz1995@reddit

You know you're supposed to look at multiple games, not a single game when comparing performance. And not using a 3-4 years old benchmark at that lol.

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EdErichZann@reddit

this is from the very test you just linked, does not fit with the 0-5% you claim at all, especially not in 1% lows:

The 7800X3D was already mighty fast in Assetto Corsa Competizione, but even so, the 9800X3D achieved an additional 14% performance, reaching 269 fps. In Spider-Man, the 9800X3D was 15% faster, rendering comfortably over 200 fps on average, with a notable 22% increase in the 1% lows for significantly improved performance. Baldur's Gate 3, Homeworld 3, APTR, Flight Simulator, Starfield

In the next batch, we're seeing consistent gains across the board. Testing Baldur's Gate 3 shows the 9800X3D delivering 11% more performance on average, with an 18% improvement to 1% lows.

In Homeworld 3, we observed a solid 16% boost in the averages and a critical 21% uplift for 1% lows. In A Plague Tale: Requiem, the 9800X3D came close to 200 fps, rendering 195 fps, making it 10% faster.

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MyzMyz1995@reddit

You're cherry picking. When you look at performance difference, you need to look at the average not the games that are convenient for you and ignore the rest.

And now you're changing the goalpost talking about 1% low.

Seem you're a troll, have a good day.

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roklpolgl@reddit

You're cherry picking. When you look at performance difference, you need to look at the average not the games that are convenient for you and ignore the rest.

It’s perfectly valid to look at some individual results where differences are more significant. You are talking about whether an extra $100 on a $2000+ build is worth it. People should know that on some games, with some settings, you can be leaving 10-15+% performance on the table so you can save 5% of your build cost.

And now you're changing the goalpost talking about 1% low.

1% lows are arguably more important than averages but the guy is quoting both.

Seem you're a troll, have a good day.

Why so mad, did he invalidate the justification for your purchase or something?

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VersaceUpholstery@reddit

People also worry about power efficiency/temps

7800x3d runs hotter, uses less wattage

9800x3d run cooler, uses more wattage

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IHaveTheBestOpinions@reddit

I've seen this cited a lot and I don't doubt it is true, but also...how can that be? Regardless of processing efficiency, all of the electricity that is used by the CPU ends up converted to heat. So how can a chip that uses more wattage (and therefore produces more heat) run cooler?

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TreesLikeGodsFingers@reddit

Hotter doesn’t mean total heat output in this context, just how hot the chip gets.

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haxt97@reddit

Because of the design. 7800x3d has the l3 cache sits on top of the chip so it is significantly harder to cool.

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Exxon21@reddit

iirc it's due to the way the cache is stacked. on the 7800x3d the cache is stacked above the cores. the cache on top of the cores acts as an insulation layer, causing them to heat up quicker.

the 9800x3d places the cache below the cores, so there's more direct contact to the ihs and cpu cooler, causing lower core temps.

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PermissionJaded5510@reddit

I would go for the 7800X3D any day. Less temps, more efficient, still very very high fps (that you will end up capping in single player games)

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unicron_ate_my_home@reddit

I upgraded to a 9800x3d. I play in 4k i notice no difference but I like burning money lol

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hjshoon@reddit

does it run cooler than 7800X3D? if yes, may i know roughly by how much (approximation will suffice). i assume that's what you upgraded from. thanks

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Funny-Carob-4572@reddit

9800x3D runs very cool compared to my old 3700x Good fan cooler on top and Voila.

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xzug_cedar_7921@reddit

Not super relevant to me since im more of a photography/cycling person but from what ive gathered the 7800x3d is kinda the sweet spot for pure gaming right now. The 9800x3d margins at 1440p are so small youd barely notice the difference unless youre chasing benchmarks. That mobo failure discussion is interesting tho, id defs research which boards are safe before pulling the trigger on either

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DistinctCellar@reddit

0%-5% performance difference, so do the calculations on money you want to spend.

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EdErichZann@reddit

https://imgur.com/a/uBO8GVC

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DistinctCellar@reddit

Now show the rest

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EdErichZann@reddit

some other games in the test are not CPU limited. HL is CPU limited, 9800 is more than 20% faster -> the CPU is 20% faster. it's not that complicated. you can't take tests of gpu limited games, see that the framerate is the same, and claim the CPUs are equally fast.

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PigSlam@reddit

There are some power considerations. If you're building in a SFF case or have some otherwise limited heat budget, then maybe there'd be some advantage to a 7800x3d over a 9800x3d, but there are better choices than either if that's really a factor.

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Dangerous-Traffic875@reddit (OP)

Nah standard build so heat isn't a worry, and its fucking cold all the time where I live haha

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SituationSmooth9165@reddit

Depending on the GPU, probably no difference at all

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CheisSz@reddit

Had to make this decision to a couple of weeks ago. While the 9800 is marginally better they both are top tier for 1440p gaming.

It comes down to your budget and the difference in price. I went with the 9800 because the difference was €40,-.

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PRC_Spy@reddit

I also have a 1440p monitor, so not enough for me to upgrade to 9800x3d from 7800x3d.

Unless something massively paradigm changing comes along, I'll probably wait to buy the last -x3d that will run on AM5 and carry on using the current PC for a long time. Stuff is getting really expensive ...

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IANVS@reddit

If you're using the CPU for anything productive besides gaming and media consumption, get the 9800X3D. It's noticeably better at productivity than 7800X3D. The latter is no better than a regular 7700X outside of gaming.

If all you do with PC is gaming, get the 7800X3D and save money for something else. Gsming performance difference between it and 9800X3D is not worth the difference in price...

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