She's an absolute delight. Troi is embarrassed because her mother is "too much" by Starfleet officer standards. Riker clearly loves her to death. Picard is just afraid of a woman with a healthy libido and Worf is a mess who gets embarrassed by his own absolutely delightful parents.
I always found her interactions with Picard downright disturbing. Picard all but SHOUTS that he's not interested in pursuing her, and in spite of her telepathy, she just never respects his wishes.
I've grown to appreciate Lwaxana more in the years since, but holy shit that woman was physically incapable of taking NO for an answer.
Her interactions with Timicin (from the TNG episode Half a Life) were so refreshing because Timicin actually wanted to spend time with her! They got to bounce off each other in unique and interesting ways, even in their disagreements, and even through Timicin's pain of having failed his people. Even when the two loudly clashed, there was always the sincere undertone that they wanted to be together. She forced Timicin to confront his culture in a very real, very raw way, and ask which parts were really worth preserving and which were better left behind. But that newfound sense of progressivism only alienated him from his family, and from the people he was working so hard to save.
Seriously, Half a Life is a criminally under rated episode and L'waxana plays an irreplaceably critical role in it. So now that I've pointed out where I enjoyed her inclusion, allow me to rant a while about what I loathe about her.
Compared to her time with Timicin, whenever she shares a room with Picard he looks physically ill. She reads his mind and then loudly implies the things he privately thinks about her, which is just kinda fucked from a privacy perspective. But what's worse is that Picard never pursues her back. Even though he might've found L'waxana attractive, he never seems to have acted upon it, or intended to act upon it. But L'waxana cannot take no for an answer, so she just bulldozes through the fact that Picard's not interested and tries getting into his pants over and over again, across multiple episodes. What Picard wants gets overturned in favor of what L'waxana wants, and if it were an intentional role reversal of creepy dudes bulldozing through an unreceptive woman saying no, I'd have no complaints. But it's almost always played for laughs!
I hate it. I really, really hate it. Maybe I'm just too Ace to get the appeal, but if something like that happened to me, if someone disrespected my boundaries that severely and that repeatedly, I'd tell that person to fuck off and stay the hell away me!
But that's just the way I've always read their interactions. I'm actually very curious how other people came away with much more innocent and fun reads of their interactions. How would you personally describe her interactions with Picard?
L’waxana was really just a huge flirt and particularly enjoyed screwing around with how tight knit Picard was. Sure her advances weren’t always welcome but she never really acts on them. That’s why it the only time she DID make advances it was because of her menopause. She did the exact same thing to Odo in DS9. She’s a (arguably) fun comedic addition that serves to expand on the prime characters development.
I totally get why it feels cringey and to each their own. But looking at this episode through the lens of modern times really misrepresents her part in the series and does the character injustice.
also. You wouldn’t be able to appreciate half a life if you didn’t have the context of previous episodes with her.
- You wouldn't be able to appreciate Half a Life if you didn't have the context of previous episodes with her.
You've definitely got me there, I cannot deny that if L'waxana wasn't being L'waxana then her parts in her best episodes wouldn't have hit half as hard. And taken as a more... innocuous foil to Picard's tightassedness is definitely a better way to appreciate her inclusion than how I initially understood it.
First off. Thank you for the reasonable reply! I feel like, more often than not, people on here immediately get defensive if their view isn’t treated like doctrine.
I do feel like it took a few re-watchings for me to challenge that initial “cringe” but I think it’s a lot easier to give grace when you consider the large audience they were trying to write for in the 80s/90s. Particularly within the quasi-puritanical guidelines set by the FCC, Congress, and larger industry.
Honestly, the fact that this show still holds up on like 95% of its stories is kinda wild.
I think you can look at her and Picard both ways. Her first two appearances in particular. I think after that it just becomes more fun.
That said, I always like to see her on both TNG and DS9. Half a Life as you mentioned is a great episode, as is The Forsaken on DS9. I recently rewatched Cost of Living and really enjoyed that too. 😲
She clearly knows Worf's name, she just doesn't have any interest in learning the specifics of military titles. Why would the daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of Rixx and heir to the holy rings of Betazed concern herself with a word like lieutenant? 😁
There are still remnants of hippster culture lurking everywhere on the internet. IF something is fun, and allot of people like it, it must be shat upon.
I indeed found her super-annoying, but as a TOS watcher, I also thought it was a super-impressive acting job by Majel Barrett.
Based on her Chapel character and doing the computer voices, I was blown away by expectations, and IMO that was a rather brilliant re-casting by Roddenberry or whoever.
I know then both. But I was sitting here unable to come up with the name Tribble. I kept thinking it's close to Trill which I know is the Dax symbiote... I could absolutely name drop Lwaxana on command though. Weird how the brain works.
The DS9 episode is fantastic, a great crossover. Dunno how they blended the OG crew with the DS9, but they did so seamlessly. “Trials and Tribbleations” is the episode
Mysterious-Alps-5186@reddit
Close....
Stay_at_Home_Chad@reddit
The Lwaxana hate on their sub is crazy.
helmsc@reddit
What do you mean?!!! The audience is SUPPOSED to find her annoying. Troi, Riker, Picard, and Worf all find her incredibly annoying.
Stay_at_Home_Chad@reddit
She's an absolute delight. Troi is embarrassed because her mother is "too much" by Starfleet officer standards. Riker clearly loves her to death. Picard is just afraid of a woman with a healthy libido and Worf is a mess who gets embarrassed by his own absolutely delightful parents.
ZakkaryGreenwell@reddit
I always found her interactions with Picard downright disturbing. Picard all but SHOUTS that he's not interested in pursuing her, and in spite of her telepathy, she just never respects his wishes.
I've grown to appreciate Lwaxana more in the years since, but holy shit that woman was physically incapable of taking NO for an answer.
Her interactions with Timicin (from the TNG episode Half a Life) were so refreshing because Timicin actually wanted to spend time with her! They got to bounce off each other in unique and interesting ways, even in their disagreements, and even through Timicin's pain of having failed his people. Even when the two loudly clashed, there was always the sincere undertone that they wanted to be together. She forced Timicin to confront his culture in a very real, very raw way, and ask which parts were really worth preserving and which were better left behind. But that newfound sense of progressivism only alienated him from his family, and from the people he was working so hard to save.
Seriously, Half a Life is a criminally under rated episode and L'waxana plays an irreplaceably critical role in it. So now that I've pointed out where I enjoyed her inclusion, allow me to rant a while about what I loathe about her.
Compared to her time with Timicin, whenever she shares a room with Picard he looks physically ill. She reads his mind and then loudly implies the things he privately thinks about her, which is just kinda fucked from a privacy perspective. But what's worse is that Picard never pursues her back. Even though he might've found L'waxana attractive, he never seems to have acted upon it, or intended to act upon it. But L'waxana cannot take no for an answer, so she just bulldozes through the fact that Picard's not interested and tries getting into his pants over and over again, across multiple episodes. What Picard wants gets overturned in favor of what L'waxana wants, and if it were an intentional role reversal of creepy dudes bulldozing through an unreceptive woman saying no, I'd have no complaints. But it's almost always played for laughs!
I hate it. I really, really hate it. Maybe I'm just too Ace to get the appeal, but if something like that happened to me, if someone disrespected my boundaries that severely and that repeatedly, I'd tell that person to fuck off and stay the hell away me!
But that's just the way I've always read their interactions. I'm actually very curious how other people came away with much more innocent and fun reads of their interactions. How would you personally describe her interactions with Picard?
lacroixlibation@reddit
L’waxana was really just a huge flirt and particularly enjoyed screwing around with how tight knit Picard was. Sure her advances weren’t always welcome but she never really acts on them. That’s why it the only time she DID make advances it was because of her menopause. She did the exact same thing to Odo in DS9. She’s a (arguably) fun comedic addition that serves to expand on the prime characters development. I totally get why it feels cringey and to each their own. But looking at this episode through the lens of modern times really misrepresents her part in the series and does the character injustice. also. You wouldn’t be able to appreciate half a life if you didn’t have the context of previous episodes with her.
ZakkaryGreenwell@reddit
- You wouldn't be able to appreciate Half a Life if you didn't have the context of previous episodes with her.
You've definitely got me there, I cannot deny that if L'waxana wasn't being L'waxana then her parts in her best episodes wouldn't have hit half as hard. And taken as a more... innocuous foil to Picard's tightassedness is definitely a better way to appreciate her inclusion than how I initially understood it.
lacroixlibation@reddit
First off. Thank you for the reasonable reply! I feel like, more often than not, people on here immediately get defensive if their view isn’t treated like doctrine.
I do feel like it took a few re-watchings for me to challenge that initial “cringe” but I think it’s a lot easier to give grace when you consider the large audience they were trying to write for in the 80s/90s. Particularly within the quasi-puritanical guidelines set by the FCC, Congress, and larger industry.
Honestly, the fact that this show still holds up on like 95% of its stories is kinda wild.
ShmullusSchweitzer@reddit
I think you can look at her and Picard both ways. Her first two appearances in particular. I think after that it just becomes more fun.
That said, I always like to see her on both TNG and DS9. Half a Life as you mentioned is a great episode, as is The Forsaken on DS9. I recently rewatched Cost of Living and really enjoyed that too. 😲
factoid_@reddit
She can't be bothered to learn Worf's name. She calls him Mr. Wolf like a dozen times.
Stay_at_Home_Chad@reddit
She clearly knows Worf's name, she just doesn't have any interest in learning the specifics of military titles. Why would the daughter of the fifth house, holder of the sacred chalice of Rixx and heir to the holy rings of Betazed concern herself with a word like lieutenant? 😁
ValosAtredum@reddit
Sure, but she’s someone I love to hate, if that makes sense. Different from hating and wishing I never saw them.
Vivid_Situation_7431@reddit
Yeah but some of the episodes with her are hilarious
Like when Picard had to quote Shakespeare to “get her back”
ExistentiallyBored@reddit
It’s just a sad, online thing. Like people who hate the DS9 ferengi episodes
factoid_@reddit
There's two bad ferengi episodes. The rest are all great. And everyone knows which two they are.
DatTomahawk@reddit
What’s the second one? Profit and Lace is definitely one, but I like pretty much all the other ones
factoid_@reddit
The one with the female ferengi crossdressing as a man.
Not because of the crossdressing but because it's just a stupid weak episode.
DatTomahawk@reddit
That’s Profit and Lace, I was curious which other Ferengi episode you didn’t like
QualifiedApathetic@reddit
I definitely disliked her before I ever touched a computer with internet access.
Spaghetti_Bird@reddit
Whaaaa????? The ferengi episodes are like the best. I can't even understand people anymore.
EmberJadedFire@reddit
There are still remnants of hippster culture lurking everywhere on the internet. IF something is fun, and allot of people like it, it must be shat upon.
realnanoboy@reddit
Aside from the one in which Quark becomes female, yeah, those are great! (To be clear, the episode just felt underbaked. I liked the premise.)
Longjumping-Solid680@reddit
As comedy goes, she's more of a Carrot Top than a Goerge Carlin.
bentsea@reddit
It's just straight up misogynist. Gives me the ick.
Nepherenia@reddit
We can love and hate her simultaneously.
She manages to be infuriating, charming, relatable and intolerable at the same time, which is quite a feat.
JohnnyEnzyme@reddit
I indeed found her super-annoying, but as a TOS watcher, I also thought it was a super-impressive acting job by Majel Barrett.
Based on her Chapel character and doing the computer voices, I was blown away by expectations, and IMO that was a rather brilliant re-casting by Roddenberry or whoever.
dolphinitely@reddit
right? she’s cooky but i adore her
GABigBear@reddit
But she only bred three times.
LordOfFudge@reddit
Fun fact: the holy rings of Betazed are a form of birth control
GABigBear@reddit
Exactly. They go on the cervix.
Legitimate_Lion_3575@reddit
Who was the third?
GABigBear@reddit
Her baby with the Tavnian dude on DS9.
Legitimate_Lion_3575@reddit
Right! Forgot about that one.
Acceptingoptimist@reddit
But they were rapid
Commercial_Ad_3687@reddit
rabid*
GABigBear@reddit
How so?
Jean-LucBacardi@reddit
Depending on the dictionary, intent, not result, is considered the act of breeding.
GABigBear@reddit
Like all parents, she clearly only performed the act those three times, duh. They don’t do that otherwise.
Jean-LucBacardi@reddit
Wait wait?! Uhh oh... Practicing yourself isn't against the rules right?
jorel43@reddit
... If that really was his answer then what an idiot.
Diela1968@reddit
Lwaxana jokes aside, I love that he knew enough to know how to spell her name correctly but not enough to know about tribbles. 😂
Geoclasm@reddit
I can't speak with authority but I'm pretty sure he knew the answer and just threw for the meme.
Time-End-5288@reddit
Mutha fucker knows Lwaxana, but not a fucking Tribble?
aburple@reddit
I know then both. But I was sitting here unable to come up with the name Tribble. I kept thinking it's close to Trill which I know is the Dax symbiote... I could absolutely name drop Lwaxana on command though. Weird how the brain works.
Triairius@reddit
It’s a meme, Jim
Time-End-5288@reddit
I'm a doctor not a memeologist
nailinpalin69@reddit
prob never watched the original, like myself.
Mughi1138@reddit
Though they did revisit them furry little dudes in DS9
nailinpalin69@reddit
oh!!! did not know that.
vteezy99@reddit
The DS9 episode is fantastic, a great crossover. Dunno how they blended the OG crew with the DS9, but they did so seamlessly. “Trials and Tribbleations” is the episode
Benzdrivingguy@reddit
When she showed up on deep space 9, I just knew she’d want to bone the shapeshifter.
KrakenKrusdr84@reddit
The correct answer is What Is A Tribble?
IndividualistAW@reddit
Wrong. And if you please, frame your responses in the form of a question
AlexCivitello@reddit
I always felt a better answer to what contestants say when prompted with a clue is response not answer.
Sleep_tek@reddit
The Trouble With Troys is such an iconic episode
HellyOHaint@reddit
Squeaky? Nah.
talondigital@reddit
Would have been even better if they photoshopped Picard as the contestant.
nakey_nikki@reddit
I mean he's not wrong...
DesdemonaDestiny@reddit
After consulting with our judges, we're going to accept that as correct.
happydude7422@reddit
Lol this was funny
Adventurous_Topic202@reddit
But it’s jeopardy so not saying tribbles would be an obvious wrong answer.
Dry-Interaction-1246@reddit
I will allow it
Victory_Highway@reddit
🤣
Thisbymaster@reddit
Yes, but no.