Infamous AMOC disaster scenario can rapidly unfold, study finds

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westernpinkcedar@reddit

I want to know more about the volcanic eruptions. Will it just be a few, or all of them? Just in certain regions? Will long dormant volcanos erupt or only active ones? Will the ash clouds plunge us into an ice age?

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GusherBrush@reddit

Potential BOE and AMOC collapse simultaneously? What a year to be alive.

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Tearakan@reddit

And super el nino, and food shortages already baked in, and drought across much of the US right before fire season, and AI bubble, private finance bubble, private equity bubble etc.

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Talyar_@reddit

At least it's not going to be boring.

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brickout@reddit

We got hit with the "may you live in interesting times" curse

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Estuans@reddit

What if we were to as a human species all go swim in the Atlantic clock wise to help keep the AMOC spinning. I'm sure we all did this as children in our round pools.

Gonna need to tap into the top minds of the current US administration on this.

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MistThePerfume@reddit

This is the kind of creative thinking we need to get through this mess we’ve created!

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Empty-Equipment9273@reddit

And strongest El Niño in recorded history possibly

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GusherBrush@reddit

It's normally in the mid-60s where I live in the US...it's going to be in the mid-80s in a few days.

I'm about to get another air purifier for this upcoming fire season.

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RottenFarthole@reddit

Yeah we've got 3 seasons now. Spring, Summer and Fire...

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Admirable_Advice8831@reddit

Winter is... not coming any longer!

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littlebean82@reddit

Come to Canada, we have lots of winter to share!

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AdventurousAd3515@reddit

I would but your government says no unless I have $1M or am a doctor 😂

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Straight-Balance830@reddit

Everything changed when the fire season attacked

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katarina-stratford@reddit

We're over halfway through Autumn in Australia rn and today is forecast to be 26C/79F. Everyone keeps talking about how "nice" the weather is..

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GusherBrush@reddit

It's horrifying. I want to enjoy it more like the others, but these sunny, warm days are clouded by the reality of where we're all heading.

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midgethemage@reddit

It's a horrifying inevitability, but I'm trying to enjoy it before it gets bad bad

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katarina-stratford@reddit

The Bureau of Meteorology still hasn't declared an El Nino yet.

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GusherBrush@reddit

I expect that to change by the end of May.

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EastTyne1191@reddit

I'm in the same area, I believe. I have been telling my friends that I am predicting a drop off of wet weather in mid-May with a surge directly into summer. Feels like I was off by a few weeks.

To say the forecast fills me with dread is an understatement.

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EbonyPeat@reddit

Same here, norm 60, going to be 80. Batten down the hatches on fire season up north.

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kickme2@reddit

But the Dow!

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Jovan_Knight005@reddit

But, unfortunately there's more.

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kingtacticool@reddit

But wait, theres more!^tm

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False_Raven@reddit

Why fall off a cliff when you can fly off of it?

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Xoxrocks@reddit

Chicken and egg - no ice removes the driving density change that drives the AMOC. No ice requires atmospheric heat transfer increases (high humidity, big storms) that increase without the AMOC

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Indigo_Sunset@reddit

Well, they were likely to come to a head together like this for any one of them to really occur.

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jucapiga@reddit

whats boe and amoc?

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I_Am_Redditor1@reddit

✋😐🤚 ABSOLUTE COLLAPSE

I feel like a crazy person with this knowledge, I follow this stuff daily but can't even begin to convey or put into words when talking about it with other people. Like... How do you even begin to explain all this?

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vinegar@reddit

Well we’ve got this nice subreddit to hang out in…

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switchsk8r@reddit

impressed how you got the username vinegar

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I_Am_Redditor1@reddit

It's a neat enough place. Love the flair.

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EbonyPeat@reddit

https://climateandeconomy.com/

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urlach3r@reddit

Cassandra Complex

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Fine_Section_172@reddit

Earth's climate is complex, the future situation is more exciting because we have other MOCs and studying AMOC alone is not enough.

And there is a new research called the SAMOC Initiative started 5 yr ago.

So, any changes to the AMOC or any other MOC will impact the other MOC.

I guess that means we are entering uncharted territory.

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Purple_Puffer@reddit

Also, the coldest year for the rest of your life.

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High_Quality_Bean@reddit

As a European, this might be the warmest summer of the millennium if this collapses

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Warstorm1993@reddit

Nope, summer will still be very hot, similar to what we have in eastern Canada. But continental Europe will risk having canadian winter and polar vortex.

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High_Quality_Bean@reddit

Hotter than now or ?

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Kazaryn@reddit

Yes. Canadas weather is from +5-> -40°C in Winter and from 0->40°c summer.

Source, am Canadian.

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High_Quality_Bean@reddit

Fuck.

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Kazaryn@reddit

I wouldn't panic just yet. This source is kinda sus and I would wait to see if more science based articles come out supporting this.

If you want actual actionable advice, learn about gardening and especially make a study of what your country grows, what currently flourishes, learn about your soul type etc. And then take a look at Canada or perhaps Norway does for growing things. You can also get a small 4' greenhouse from Amazon with lights and learn how to grow stuff in your home space if you make the room. From there you can support with a solar panel that charges a battery that provides power to it. Take it in steps and soon you'll have a gardening hobby you just can't get rid of.

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High_Quality_Bean@reddit

Already done. I started stockpiling water, white gas for my camp stove, and dried food when the Iran war started.

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Warstorm1993@reddit

Yes, with more extrême in temperature, precipitation and pressure difference

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darkpsychicenergy@reddit

Newer analysis suggests that the overall increase in global temperature may offset the cooling effect expected by AMOC collapse and the more likely and concerning effect will be extreme drought due to the loss of the AMOC pulling warm — and *moisture laden* air and precipitation up towards Northwest Europe.

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blackcatwizard@reddit

Thwaites sits in corner silently

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iamnotyourdog@reddit

It's already done. It's fracturing

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huehuehuehuehuuuu@reddit

And possibly die. But you know…

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trula-jabuka@reddit

one can only hope

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FactorBusy6427@reddit

Not exactly - AMOC collapse is a gradual process that will be 50% collapses by 2100 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/biohacker-says-partner-top-1-37092773) whereas BOE is likely to occur this september (https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/s/ZBuf6K32ty)

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bizh_gki@reddit

I thought at first that your trolling was well-played even if not entirely welcome, but your second link is on topic giving me reason to suspect your first link is in error. A heads up, no pun intended.

Definitely a lot of fear around collapse and for good reason, but fear of course is a monster that is as inflated as we allow it to be. Thank you for pointing out that the AMOC collapse is not expected to happen like a disaster movie.

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j_mantuf@reddit

I think we, scientists included, don’t know how truly fucked we are.

We can utilize cutting edge models and AI etc to give a very educated best guess, but it still doesn’t mean those estimates are going to be accurate.

The omni-crisis is going to rapidly unfold.

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JosBosmans@reddit

The omni-crisis is going to rapidly unfold.

Going for mere semantics, did you decidedly write "omni-crisis" instead of, or referring to a "polycrisis" by any other name?

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j_mantuf@reddit

Yup! My bad, will switch

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JosBosmans@reddit

Didn't mean no bad. :l Just wondered.. eh, let's cherish a beautiful Friday, while supplies last. (:

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High_Quality_Bean@reddit

Kinda laughing at the idea of using AI to predict the collapse. Thus generating more carbon, fueling the collapse T-T

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icancheckyourhead@reddit

Wait until you hear about how much AI is being used by “both sides” to slice and dice the election maps. It’s a joke that anyone in politics is on one side or another. They are all doing the same things on the back end for power and not actual survival. Decorum aside, no administration has ever taken this topic seriously and they are now actively making it worse to try to game elections.

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Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit

Right? Pisses me off every time someone projects “AI will innovate and save us!” Ok the. Why are they focused on selling me chatbots that tell me to kill myself instead of solving the climate crisis? Right, cuz they are accelerationists and actually want billions of people to die rapidly so the rich don’t have to sacrifice an ounce of their comfort.

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summercookiess@reddit

Hold up, are there actually chatbots telling you to kys for the sake of climate change?

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Kiss_of_Cultural@reddit

My apologies for the confusion.

They are selling chatbots that tell you to kys. The CEOs argue that changing them would make their personalities “less genuine.”

They are doing that instead of programming AI to solve climate change.

Because they have no intention to solve climate change.

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Bruh_zil@reddit

peak irony

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00001000U@reddit

Sorry, best I can do is creepy dancing fruit baby videos for social media.

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keytiri@reddit

So the Day after tomorrow was a documentary? 🤦‍♀️

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adamsoutofideas@reddit

WHAT!? I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE BOMBING

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tface23@reddit

Shhh, I’m watching Real Housewives

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BigHeadDeadass@reddit

Which one?

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AquaMoonCoffee@reddit

This is an extremely clickbait article that barely mentions the actual study at all, and instead just references movies and a few other random studies. The study in question was asserting the Younger Dryas was caused by an initial period of intense volcanism which tipped the atmosphere over a delicate boundary, which among other things would have caused global dimming and expanding sea ice in the North Atlantic, causing the AMOC to quickly slowdown over a period of about 100 years. The AMOC slowdown/collapse of the Younger Dryas and how quickly it happened has always been known it was just previously thought to have been caused by an impact event until about the 2010s.

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TheCrazedTank@reddit

Hey, give the AI author a break! They can only steal so much!

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rematar@reddit

Thank you.

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TrekRider911@reddit

There is some irony about trying to read that story in the website while having to close half a dozen ads for shoes and other random crap.

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cameron4200@reddit

The secret is we’re still fucked even if it doesn’t unfold rapidly

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Reluctant_Firestorm@reddit

Latitude of London - 51.5 degrees N. Average winter temp around 5.5 C (42F). Compare to latitude of Moosonee, Ontario - 51.3 degrees N. Winter daytime temperature varies from -13 C to -24 C (-11F).

Latitude of Edinburgh, Scotland - 55.9 degrees N. Between 1 and 7 C in winter. Compare to Polar Bear Provincial Park 54.7 degrees N. - 20 C in winter.

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givemeonemargarita1@reddit

I’ve accepted that shit will hit the fan. Not going to worry about it anymore.

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nothankeww@reddit

same

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BadgerKomodo@reddit

Me too

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DawnPatrol99@reddit

It's almost comforting knowing we might be here to see the end of our reign.

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click-monster@reddit

Infamous AMOC is my rapper name

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mfyxtplyx@reddit

That's what I have my money on. And by money I mean possessions, life, everything.

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Same_Bug5069@reddit

So it goes.

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JrDot13@reddit

My mid-life crisis is the world’s crisis!

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StatementBot@reddit

The following submission statement was provided by /u/lavapig_love:

Submission Statement:

People have wondered whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation was capable of collapsing. A new study posted April 29th confirms it absolutely has in the past, and can now because of human-driven climate change, triggering a series of volcanic eruptions. That this was posted by ABC News also demonstrates how the study of collapse is now mainstream and normalized, and should be justification for our community.

Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1t03osz/infamous_amoc_disaster_scenario_can_rapidly/oj68kta/

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lavapig_love@reddit (OP)

Submission Statement:

People have wondered whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation was capable of collapsing. A new study posted April 29th confirms it absolutely has in the past, and can now because of human-driven climate change, triggering a series of volcanic eruptions. That this was posted by ABC News also demonstrates how the study of collapse is now mainstream and normalized, and should be justification for our community.

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Exact_Ease_2520@reddit

Do you mean that the AMOC collapse was triggered by volcanic eruptions, or the historic collapse(s) triggered eruptions?

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Unlikely-Program-827@reddit

Was triggered by eruptions