Volkswagen reveals new Toyota rivalling hybrid system in 2026 Golf and T-Roc
Posted by TPatS@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 30 comments
Posted by TPatS@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 30 comments
Logical-Vermicelli53@reddit
How are VW just now implementing hybrids.
They’re literally only positives. No downsides to going hybrid and they give you economy and power.
_eg0_@reddit
Fun fact, the first mass production hybrid vehicle sold was an Audi. It beat the Toyota to the market. But the TDI engines turned out to be extremely efficient. Why add complex and expensive hybrid systems, when you can beat Prius mpg without them. Particulate and NOx emissions is why, but that wasn't such a huge concern back then.
VAG never stopped developing hybrids. However they only started selling them again in 2010.
twodudesnape@reddit
According to wikipedia only about 100 Duos were produced. Don't know if I would consider that mass production lol
Imtherealwaffle@reddit
vw have had hybrids since 2011. The golf has had both regular and plug in hybrid versions for like the past 10 years. This is just an updated version of their hybrid system
GeneralCommand4459@reddit
Are you sure they had a regular hybrid? You’re not thinking of the mild hybrid are you, as that’s not the same as a regular hybrid.
Parcours97@reddit
I really hope this is a joke.
duskie3@reddit
VW have had hybrids on the markets for years and years.
verssus@reddit
Only plug in or mild
vargemp@reddit
No full hybrids, just mild and plug-ins.
SquareTarbooj@reddit
Cost and complications are the downsides.
I'd trust Toyota, they've been making reliable hybrids for decades.
VWs first attempt at it would be a hard pass from me
lael8u@reddit
VW have making hybrids for 15 years already...
SquareTarbooj@reddit
Then what does Toyota rivalling mean? What is that headline?
Car-face@reddit
VW's hybrids have never been able to compete on reliability, efficiency or simplicity. They've always been effectively just ICE drivetrains with a motor and battery tacked on (similar to what Hyundai have traditionally done with their hybrids).
Toyota rivalling means they're now doing what toyota were doing 25 years ago, and utilising simplified transmissions with only a handful of moving parts to deliver series/parallel driving modes.
tangocharliejuliett@reddit
There were mild hybrids not full.
Car-face@reddit
"clean diesels" were supposed to be their bridge to electrification, buoyed by a massive investment in racing diesels in motorsport (eg. Le Mans) as well as their "bluemotion" range that was rolling out and intended to be heavily diesel focused with low CO2 and high efficiency that rivalled hybrids.
Then dieselgate happened, and everything collapsed.
They pivoted to BEVs under the hope that the transition would be swift, and when that assumption failed, they're now stuck trying to electrify the majority of their production with a competitive hybrid offering (instead of slapping motors and batteries on a conventional drivetrain, as they have in the past) to maintain competitiveness across the 80% of their range that isn't BEV, whilst still having to develop new BEV technologies to remain competitive in the growing 20% of their range that is BEV.
It's basically a lesson in how not to transition across technologies.
3dmontdant3s@reddit
They have the downsides of both ICE and electric propulsion relative to pure ICE and pure EV
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit
Honestly, only Toyota and kinda Hyundai were able to reap the rewards of having several hybrid models available when most consumers became interested in buying them.
Everyone else has been playing catchup, even brands like Honda
snktiger@reddit
VW invested in diesel for passanger cars/SUV until dieselgate. then they went all in on EV.
Blyatskinator@reddit
They have had hybrids for a while at least here in Europe. (All models with ”GTE”) But those are all plug-in I believe. Assuming that this new ”Toyota rivalling” setup is without plug-in.
vargemp@reddit
What about the carbon buildup on rarely run, mostly on the colder side, DI engine?
SnowDucks1985@reddit
The article says nothing about Toyota? I mean good for VW but it’s only getting introduced to the Golf and T-Roc, that’s hardly rivaling anybody 😭
vargemp@reddit
Corolla is no anybody, bro.
gitartruls01@reddit
Read this as "Volkswagen reveals new Toyota, rivalling hybrid system in 2026 Golf and T-Roc"
jakeuten@reddit
Sounds more akin to Honda’s system than Toyota’s? This seems like a headline we should’ve been reading 10 years ago.
Car-face@reddit
Probably closer to Honda's in terms of how drive is delivered, but closer to Toyota's in terms of actual engagement of the ICE.
I believe Honda's engagement is higher than that, more like motorway speeds.
lael8u@reddit
Yes
ruin_value@reddit
This doesn't seem to have the flexibility of the Toyota's e-CVT in hunting the optimal engine load point, but with 1.5 TSI's ACT they might not need it.
quitaskingmetomakean@reddit
GTIs have had eco mode for awhile with the DSG so there's plenty VW can do with software. I'd rather have the DSG than any CVT but that might be the bad taste Nissan left me with when I had line of theirs fail.
Redeemed_Expert9694@reddit
About damn time VW
About damn time
Jarthos1234@reddit
Bet it’s gonna be super reliable too /s