Failed my stage 2 oral check for ppl. Second stage check failure
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Hello, I go to erau and today I failed my oral for stage check 2. I studied all night and was prepared for any question or scenerio but when I got there everything I studied for went out the window. He started calculating my weight and balance and my nav log and pointed out small errors where numbers weren’t exact and then he let it slide and asked me what I need to stay current and I said only a flight review than he unsatted me because I didn’t say flight review and ground training where I guess that’s fair. How much do stage check failures impact your future?
Untold_Legend1234@reddit
bro the ALC is free
nlbair22@reddit
I busted my stage 2 flight for instrument back a couple years ago. Now I have my CFII/MEI and am teaching at that same school, and am in a cadet program. Ask me how many time anyone has brought up my stage check failure. 0.
mctomtom@reddit
Same, I had two stage check fails in instrument and now I’m a CFI/CFII and a stage check instructor. No one cares about stage checks, especially in part 61.
Ce650A1rbr8ke@reddit
Your cooked.
StageMajestic613@reddit
Are you not allowed to use the FAR? You can bet I’m going to have that with me during my Checkride oral. I may not know the precise answer, but I’ll know where to look it up.
Aggravating_Fix_9965@reddit
You'll bust if you have to constantly look things up
StageMajestic613@reddit
Sure, but you can give an answer that “I think I’m pretty close but let me verify”. I suppose an example would be the night landings must be full stop. That damned seat by and shoulder harness combination that they ask in the knowledge test is bound to trip me up.
Mundane-Situation433@reddit
That’s the first accurate answer I’ve read. There’s information you need to know and there’s information you need to know where to find. These questions are in the know where to find bucket.
ltcterry@reddit
You're going to the "Harvard of the Sky." The secret to success there is to memorize minutia. The more minutia you memorize the better. And you don't memorize minutia by "studying all night." That's an absolute failure scenario. As you've shown.
In an ideal world you are well prepared and well rested and have no need to do any prep.
Not everyone finishes Private. You are on a great path to be one of them. If you're going to fail then you should be failing at a cheaper school. Perhaps doing a cheaper degree.
It only gets harder. And more competitive.
You need some serious introspection. $350,000 for a useless degree and flight training that gives you fewer hours than a Part 61 grad is a really expensive path. If you cannot find the motivation or drive to produce at that level then what are your options?
Why were your numbers "not exact?" It's all spreadsheets or apps. You're not rounding to speed things up on an abacus or a slide rule. You don't need three decimal places of artificial precision, but come on.
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Diligent_Digiridoo@reddit
“I studied all night” is lowkey a red flag.
You should have been studying and memorizing all of these things and the check should have been a quick refresher.
It’s stage 2 PPL brother, it gets a lot harder than that. Lock in.
ThatLooksRight@reddit
If you stay prepared, you don’t have to get prepared.
Flyingredditburner44@reddit
Judging by your answer to his questions, you were not prepared whatsoever.
"Studied all night" That's great and all, but you need to be consistently studying, not cramming. It won't work well.
You failed two in a row, now is your wake up call to take it seriously or quit.
RunAgreeable7576@reddit
Flight review consists of 1 hr flight and 1 he ground per the AC
Flyingredditburner44@reddit
I'm well aware, not sure of your point?
ltcterry@reddit
"Flight Review" *includes* ground. The CFI was wrong for failing OP with "you didn't say ground." A flight review includes by FAR one hour of ground and one hour of flight. If OP had said "fly with an instructor" he would have left out the ground portion...
RecheckFeePlease@reddit
Op gotta lock in
globex6000@reddit
"I studied all night" is the problem right there.
You shouldn't need to study at all the night before. Sure maybe look over a few notes and review some memory items, but you should be basically relaxing and taking your mind off it.
If you actually need to study all night the night before, you were not ready
AdImpressive9014@reddit
I would review the material that you got wrong with your CFI. Really nail those down, like to the point where you know it cold.
M2K-throwaway@reddit
Are you sure that's what you answered? Because it's literally called a flight review in the regs, not a flight+ground review. Flight review includes both
peeapepee@reddit
99% it was definitely “what does a flight review consist of?” and he said just a flight
blitzroyale@reddit
He probably screwed up some other questions and the flight review was the last straw that caused the unsat
lunchistasty@reddit
When it comes to stage checks I usually start reviewing material 2-3 weeks before I know it's coming up.
Flash cards, videos, having upperclassmen quiz you on material. It's all super important!
It's all about proper preparation. I don't think it'll affect your future but your study habits definitely will take a toll if you don't start earlier and have a consistent schedule for it.
Yuuungtahoe@reddit
You should be so prepared going into it that the night before the stage check you don’t even need to crack a book
Kevincav@reddit
Been there, passed pretty much everything to that point (both ppl and cpl) with flying colors. First stage check for IR, completely unprepared. Def a reality check.
brongchong@reddit
You need to study harder if you’re going to be a pilot. Quit slacking.
DefundTheHOA_@reddit
Bro relax it’s not even a checkride
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Yea , just keep falling stage checks since they dont matter. Not like it says anything about your ability to prepare for the actual checkrides or anything.
Diligent_Digiridoo@reddit
Stage checks are being done by little 19y/o CFI’s that might decide they wanna be a dick that day and had very little oversight getting into a “check” position.
No, they’re not important. Helpful? Yes.
DefundTheHOA_@reddit
They do matter but it’s not post about it on Reddit worthy
_Sixteen@reddit
The hell is a stage check? Never heard of that during my flight training
Btw your instructor only said flight review and ground school? How about your medical, photo id, and address? Those all need to be current too
ebeing@reddit
its like a popquiz, OP goes to an aero uni
KITTYONFYRE@reddit
a pop quiz is a surprise quiz. this isn't a pop quiz, it's just a normal scheduled test - you know before it happens
makgross@reddit
And 3 landings in 90 days, etc.
_Sixteen@reddit
yeah but only when taking passengers. I think they are talking about requirements when solo
m4a785m@reddit
That's not what's required for currency for the purposes of the question
Living_Guess_2845@reddit
Do PPL stage checks get reported in 61 or is that a 121 thing?
thecloudcities@reddit
They don’t get reported to the FAA. However, airlines will probably ask for you to report all failures on an application, and this would count (not that it would be a huge deal unless there was a pattern of failures).
Prestigious-Elk-9061@reddit
I believe it’s only a 141 thing. Some 61s do stage checks, but they don’t go on your record.
scottyh214@reddit
It sounds to me like you were not well prepared for the stage check. My best suggestion would be to figure out what is going wrong with your studying and make sure that gets fixed. The reality is, stage checks won’t hurt your future, however, you have to fix this before it turns into actual checkride failures which will count against you.
TxAggieMike@reddit
Sounds like you should review §61.56 and §61.57.
And then have a long talk with your instructor for not preparing you as well as he should have.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Hello, I go to erau and today I failed my oral for stage check 2. I studied all night and was prepared for any question or scenerio but when I got there everything I studied for went out the window. He started calculating my weight and balance and my nav log and pointed out small errors where numbers weren’t exact and then he let it slide and asked me what I need to stay current and I said only a flight review than he unsatted me because I didn’t say flight review and ground training where I guess that’s fair. How much do stage check failures impact your future?
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