31-year-old doctor thinking about switching to aviation — looking for honest advice
Posted by Easy-Flower309@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 350 comments
Hey everyone,
I’m a 31-year-old physician who recently finished residency and have been practicing for about a year now. This is something I really haven’t talked about with anyone because I don’t think most people in medicine would understand it.
Ever since I was five years old, my aspiration was to become an airline pilot. Both of my parents are doctors though, and medicine was always pushed very heavily. When I was around 14, I visited an aeronautical school because I was seriously interested in aviation, and I still remember my parents basically dismissing it as being a “glorified bus driver” compared to medicine. After that, the idea pretty much died before it even started.
So I stayed on the medicine path: college, med school, residency, the whole thing. Over a decade of training after high school. There actually are parts of medicine that remind me of aviation — high responsibility, procedures, teamwork, systems thinking, etc. — which may be part of why aviation still appeals to me so much. But ever since finishing training, I’ve been thinking a lot about what I actually want long term, and this keeps coming back up.
What’s weird is I’ve almost started avoiding airports entirely because they make me sad. I haven’t flown anywhere in about two years and usually just drive instead, even for long trips across the country. I pretty much only if I need to cross an ocean. Seeing airline crews walking through terminals gives me this uncomfortable “what if I chose the wrong path?” feeling.
Financially, I could afford flight training if I wanted to pursue it seriously. My concern is whether making a switch at 31 is realistic or just reckless considering how much time I already invested into medicine and everything I’ve sacrificed to get through all of it.
People have suggested flying recreationally on the side over the years, but honestly I don’t think that would be enough for me. My goal was always flying passenger jets. I’d honestly be happy flying anything bigger than an E175, but the ultimate goal was always long-haul flying on widebody aircraft eventually.
So I guess I’m asking:
-Has anyone here switched into aviation later in life?
Is 31 actually considered late?
-Does anyone know pilots who came from medicine or another professional field?
-And for those already in the industry, do you still enjoy it?
Appreciate any honest input
mikeh0677@reddit
Hey OP, I’m a dentist now 69 years old but back when I was in my mid 30s. I was kind of bored with my career. I decided I wanted to be an airline pilot. Aviation has always been a fascination for me just like you
I got as far as earning my commercial, but in the process learned how the industry worked and decided it was a dumb idea. I too had visions of flying jumbos internationally and realized that I would never get the seniority to bid successfully for that when I was competing with people who had gotten in at the earliest possible age and I estimated I would probably be in my early 40s by the time I could get to the Airlines and as has been stated by so many other respondents it’s all luck and timing where that was in the hiring cycle whether I’d be able to get a job or not whether I’d be able to stay with that airline through layoffs, etc. etc..
I wound up changing the area of dentistry that I work in to find something stimulated more and doing Flying as a hobby until I grounded myself five years ago.
bananapoopwastaken@reddit
I’ve never seen it go this way. It’s always been the opposite in my experience
ParachuteRiver@reddit
Watch this video about a designated pilot examiner's take on the future pilot market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepvhknoGyk&t=1503s
Use it as info as you make your decision. I would suggest you do some flight lessons and see how it's feeling at that point. Tons of great advice in these comments, by the way.
Hotdyke69@reddit
you took a slot from somebody in med school and worked through a residency that the govt paid for and now you wanna switch?
Due-Appeal3517@reddit
You really like debt, huh?
Boatsandhoes72@reddit
I had an FO who was a practicing anesthesiologist a couple years ago. He loved both gigs. I’ve also had some newer FO’s tell me that “pilot is the new doctor” by their tiger-mom type parents(he was of Korean descent) who pushed him to pursue a career in aviation. Bottom line, you’ll make great money, and enjoy your work more because it’s where your passion lies.
EnriqueShockwavprk@reddit
Im 31, working as a paramedic for 10 years. Started getting my PA apps together during covid and decided to explore other options before I went all in. Decided on aviation after getting my PPL bc Ive always wanted to explore it.
My advice: not too late. Don’t take out loans. Work as you train. Save up money as a MD for a hand-full of slow years and keep a part time gig.
If you have med school loans, pay them back first.
100% do-able just will take a couple extra years likeIm doing. Loans arnt worth it if youre in a good spot.
Alarmed-Reindeer-519@reddit
I’m an ER nurse for 8yrs and now have a class date with a regional. It can be done
DocFail@reddit
If it’s any help, many doctor’s are glorified textbook regurgitators.
ThunderBearry@reddit
Go become an AME? Combine both if you don't want to pivot too far
SerpentineOlivine@reddit
I would imagine AMEs don’t have to worry as much about malpractice lawsuits compared to practitioners.
yrock77@reddit
Best piece of advice here. My AME , Dr. Chien, is also a CFII . Lots of flying his own plane when and where he wants. That's the life tbh
emperormanlet@reddit
What kind of suggestion is this? The guy is interested in being a PILOT, not a mechanic.
stealthybutthole@reddit
AME stands for Aviation Medical Examiner…?
frost08887@reddit
Please do this instead and buy your own plane
rtd131@reddit
For real. When OP is raking in the cash they can just buy a TBM 700 and rip around the country whenever they want. They'll be having more fun and making more money than all the widebody captains 😂.
Msmst25@reddit
You overestimate how lucrative being a physician or AME can be. Unless you’re in a super lucrative specialty, physicians aren’t making TBM money.
Salt-Cold1056@reddit
Unless you are very specialized Doctors normally have Cirrus money not Turboprop money (or single). The average person buying a 6 year old sr22T also probably did your last knee surgery.
Kein-Deutsc@reddit
Absolutely. Having control over your flying is so much fun. Plus if you can afford a nice plane too.. really cool.
More AMEs the better too.
Initial-Pangolin2174@reddit
Actually we are in a shortage of AMEs! I second this suggestion
KITTYONFYRE@reddit
how does becoming an AME do any of this? it's got nothing to do with a pilot besides your patients sometimes being pilots.
it's the same job as a normal doctor just with a different exam being administered. I don't see how this would satisfy OP's wants literally at all to be honest
wighty@reddit
I don't think it would either. Not sure why OP doesn't feel they can't just pursue aviation as a hobby.
Occams_ElectricRazor@reddit
I hope OP is a doc with their own practice. The rules about WHERE you can practice make becoming an AME pointless for most docs unless you have your own clinic.
fishy3fishy@reddit
I’m a few years younger than you in finance and will be switching to aviation!
In the meantime though I’m keeping my finance role and working on aviation until I get a job with aviation then will officially switch then
BoboTheLhasaDog@reddit
Keep practicing medicine. Buy a nice airplane.
BrtFrkwr@reddit
I'll trade with you. Nobody ever heard of an unemployed doctor.
ThenurseAviator@reddit
I been in the medical field for over 18 years now, and believe I am ready to take my chances and actually do what I love. I just began flying school and love it. It is expensive, but I know it will be worth it. My DM is open if you wanna talk. My especialty is ICU.
leont21@reddit
Dr Kevorkian
saml01@reddit
None of his patients came back for a follow up.
nhtshot@reddit
Not unemployed
BigC208@reddit
Dude had lots of trade. IF he was still around, he’d make a killing.😊
Easy-Flower309@reddit (OP)
**posted earlier but copied here for more visibility
Wow, I genuinely never expected this thread I posted around lunchtime to get this much attention. I’m honestly overwhelmed by the amount of responses and support. I’ve read every single comment, even if I don’t have time to reply to all of them individually.
A lot of common themes definitely came through, and I understand why many of you are suggesting that completely leaving medicine may not be the best move.
One thing I did want to clarify though: I don’t hate medicine, and I don’t dislike being an MD. There are actually a lot of things I enjoy about it. It’s more that a career in aviation has been in the back of my mind literally every day since long before I ever started down the path to becoming a physician. I honestly thought that feeling might fade at some point once I became fully immersed in medicine, but it never really did.
I also really appreciate the advice about starting with a PPL and building experience gradually while keeping the security net of medicine in place for now. That honestly seems like the smartest and most balanced approach. In a lot of ways, I wish I had started pursuing that years ago, even just on the side. But the reality is that everything required to get to this point in medicine was basically a decade-long survival mode, with barely enough time or energy to even take care of myself properly.
And I have to admit, it’s reassuring to hear from so many people that 31 is not too old to start. For some reason I had it in my head that because of the mandatory retirement age at 65, most people entering the field would already be 10+ years younger than I am now.
Seriously though, thank you all again. The amount of thoughtful advice and encouragement here has meant a lot more to me than you probably realize. You are all awesome
I_was_unsupervised@reddit
I started at 30. I think with a lot of jobs it eventually just becomes a job. I have a flying student that is an MD. He's doing flying for fun on the side and honestly I think that's the way to go. You'll make enough in your career where if it's truly a passion, you can afford a reasonable aircraft that will let you enjoy whatever avenue of aviation you want to (IFR, cross country, vintage, bush flying, ect)
duuckiie@reddit
Plenty in the UK.
yourzero@reddit
Why?
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
You'd be surprised.
thederseyjevil@reddit
I would be. There’s a massive shortage of doctors and there hasn’t been a real shortage of pilots in a long time.
Fkthefaa@reddit
That shortage is only going to get worse. Doctors pay have not gone up in years and they are forced to see more patients for less pay
InvestorOrSpeculator@reddit
I’m a doctor and non-doctors on here have a misleading idea of how much doctors in the U.S. make. The vast majority are in the $250k-$350k salary range. While good money, it’s not enough to buy the sorts of planes mentioned on here. Most with a family to support would be lucky to afford a share in a plane.
To the OP if you’ve finished residency already just start working locums if your primary job isn’t flexible enough and train on the side. You should be able to get all your rating in a few years and then can decide if you want to make the switch. You should make good money so can easily afford to pay for your own training and fly on the side for fun and then could try to switch then if you still want too.
You can also read Dick Karl’s columns in flying magazine and some online interviews with him. He’s a cancer surgery who switched into aviation later in life. He was doing it for fun, though. He was also one of the top 1% compensated physicians as ended up buying a personal jet after a few years working as a charter pilot. His wealth is what people on here think doctors make but isn’t the realty for most physicians.
Also try working in medicine for a few years and you might enjoy the money and free time compared to residency. If you want to have a family you might like the doctor life better than the regional / early years at a major life based on posts on here. Pick a medical job that optimizes for time off and non-busy days even if it isn’t the absolute top pay.
Several-Village5814@reddit
Is that really true that most doctors only make 350k? Seems low to be honest. I know specialists make 500k +++
InvestorOrSpeculator@reddit
Yes. The majority of doctors aren’t specialists. They are internists, pediatricians, psychiatrists, and family practice. Some specialists such as endocrinology and rheumatology also make in the same pay range. There are orthopedic surgeons and cardiologists who made $500k plus but the average med school grad likely makes under $350k, although I don’t have a survey to link too now.
The advantage just from a financial point of view compared to pilots is no risk of furloughs, the ability to switch jobs, and easy availability of part time work. Doctors also start earning $250k between 29-34 of age usually so can still do well financially with that income after 20-30 years of steady employment but not as good as the stereotype of rich doctors would suggest.
Ok-Skill8583@reddit
Plenty of people do it, but dont believe the advertising--there is no pilot shortage, there is a massive job shortage.
If you want to "switch" keep working as a doc and use your massive pay checks to pay for training. Once you have built up your 1500 hours and commercial multi engine you can start applying to see if you can get a job. If you get super lucky and go straight into a regional you will have shit pay for 3-5 years, then you will move up after maybe 5-10 years you'll move to an FO position at a major and start almost making what you're making a doctor right now. 5-10 more years and you are finally a cap making what you make right now.
Or just keep being a doctor, make great money, get great training with your paycheck, buy a nice cirrus and fly where you want instead of trucking a bunch of whiny humans around for every single holiday of the year.
ORaleigh@reddit
The way you talk about flying, it still has glamour in your eyes. That fades pretty quick.
Traveling isn’t as fun or exciting when you’ve done it nearly every week for 10 years. And to get on a widebody and spend nights in CDG, HNL, and HKG you have to spend years of your life in places like JAN, DAY, GCK where your hotel will share a parking lot with a Waffle House and Dollar General.
Listen to the advice here: Buy your own plane, become an AME, or start volunteer flying for a good cause to complete a “mission”, and become part of the aviation community in a different way. There’s so much more to aviation than airline flying.
CaregiverWorth567@reddit
My husband is a retired de,ata captain, I’m a retired ED doc….he absolutely hates to travel now.
Ok-Cryptographer7080@reddit
Just buy a plane.
SP_Aman@reddit
Whatever you do, don’t get a V-Tail Bonanza
CaregiverWorth567@reddit
or a T6
Flying_Puck@reddit
Or a Cirrus SF-50….the new V-tailed doctor killer.
Calm-Height8814@reddit
Is this the doctor killer joke thingy?
Status_Climate_6860@reddit
The average age to start is 30. But be ready for shit pay and unemployment
T-yler--@reddit
You could move to Alaska and be a pilot/ house call doctor. That would be a very cool life… imo
T-yler--@reddit
Fly to peoples remote homesteads to do check ups in a little bush plane
Gsmith827@reddit
Honestly, recent data shows there is a glut of recently certified commercial pilots, enough to compensate for all retirements for many years to come. It seems that the industry is significantly oversupplied on the pilot side. Seth Lake recently provided an excellent summary here. ⬇️
https://youtu.be/yepvhknoGyk?si=-mSHdlbA2_xD5Uay
I’m not saying DONT do it, I’m just pointing out the economics of the current market.
EstablishmentOne1972@reddit
Insane
Needs2GetLaid@reddit
This is a great time to,...umm,...I honestly don't have an answer to that.
If I were a doctor though, I'd just get my PPL, buy an R22, and fly for fun on weekends.
Clipper94@reddit
As someone who’s the same age trying to pivot from a career in finance to becoming a pilot, you guys sure know how to motivate a fella 😂
HoboRampage@reddit
It’s definitely doable for you. I was a commercial credit analyst before dropping everything to become a pilot
phnrbn@reddit
Finance dude very much in the same boat here. My finance career has more or less stalled and I’m seriously considering becoming a pilot but worried I’m screwing myself with a shit job market there too. Are you still a CFI? Any regrets? How’s the pilot job market?
HoboRampage@reddit
I just broke into the 135 world a few months ago. Here’s my honest timeline: I started flight training in March of 2022, finished my CFII in August of 2023, and instructed until early 2026. Now I’m a brown box chauffeur for a cargo feeder.
I made the switch after being stuck in my office during COVID and being disillusioned with my future career path. I made it into an airline program, blasted through my ratings in under two years, and took on as many students/flights as i could to build hours as fast as I could.
I was really lucky to both get my current job and for the money it pays. I originally quit my job and sold my house for this career. In the 4 years since, I’ve burned through all my equity, all of my 401k, HSA, savings, and have 5 figures in credit card debt.
This is my first job after instructing and I’m on track to beat my final banking salary by $20k. I get to do that while flying 14 days a month and having 3-4 days off in a row per week to spend at home with my family. My career trajectory (in opportunities, money, and quality of life) only goes up from here.
Overall; It was 4 years of studying, hard work, multiple jobs, and heavy relationship and financial stress. Now that I’m here? Yeah, I’d go back and do it all again. Definitely would make a couple decisions differently, but it all worked out and will continue to get better from here.
Defying gravity beats staring at spreadsheets all day.
Clipper94@reddit
I’m in CLO structuring. I absolute dread it, but it’s niche enough that the money isn’t bad, job security is pretty good and there aren’t a lot of folks trying to break through the door like IB or other better known divisions.
tooth-ache@reddit
Very durable but very difficult due to limited time and mental capacity when working full time. I clocked about 25 hours for PPL. Had to stop as I simply had no mental capacity to study ground school. Aside from that, flying is fun and rewarding. Trying to juggle job, family, and business commitments making it it very challenging to get PPL
Venture419@reddit
Get your PPL first and a plane. Some of my flying doctor contacts moved up to TBM’s and Cirrus jets and use them to rotate between different hospitals for their specialities.
It seems to be rewarding for them and allows them to work part time in some underserved areas where the hospital cannot justify a full time specialist.
wheres_nordo@reddit
Slightly different take: don’t think of this as “doctor vs pilot.” You may have a rare third option most people in this thread don’t.
Look hard at aerospace medicine / flight surgeon paths, especially Guard or Reserve. You’d stay a physician, but work directly with pilots, squadrons, aeromedical decision-making, human performance, and actual flying operations. The Air Force flight surgeon role specifically involves caring for aircrew, determining fitness for flight duties, and participating in flying missions. Naval aviation also has this track.
That’s not “buy a Cirrus and cope.” That’s aviation-adjacent in a very real, operational way.
I wouldn’t torch medicine yet. Get a First Class medical, start PPL, and explore flight medicine hard before you go from attending physician to broke CFI speedrun champion.
You might not need to leave one world for the other. You might be one of the few people positioned to bridge both.
Tiny-Ad-830@reddit
My advice is to find something that combines both aviation and medicine. You have so much knowledge in your head that could be used to benefit others. It would be a shame to waste that. I have listed a few groups below. I know for MAF, they want you to have an Instrument and Commercial ratings. Angel Flight can be done with a Private rating I believe. Not sure about Flying Doctors. But I have met several people with MAF and they fly mostly overseas.
I asked my husband, a Capt for AA, and he hasn’t ever met anyone with a medical degree that switched. He hasn’t ever been flying at an airline for 27 years this month. Several engineers but no MDs. The only way it would be doable and reasonable at your age would be to attend flight school full time. And know that your earnings potential will be reduced greatly because of the years you will have missed flying. Everything at an airline is based seniority, position and equipment. The bigger aircraft have the highest wages but to get to those aircraft you have to have higher seniority numbers. And the higher seniority numbers are earned by being there the longest. Also, typically you become FO to start on a smaller aircraft, then wait until you are senior enough to hold Captain. Then once you can hold FO on a larger aircraft, you move there but also possibly take a pay cut until you are senior enough to move to Captain on that aircraft. So it’s a real mixed bag as far as pay.
This is why I say learn to fly and use it to enhance your career in medicine. You can volunteer with missions, fly yourself to conferences, work with angel flight or volunteer with rural clinics and fly yourself to them.
Mission Aviation Fellowship, Flying Doctors of America, and Angel Flight.
Over_Bend_9839@reddit
Be an MD. You can change lives and it will be incredibly rewarding. But also get a PPL and an IR. On doctor money you’ll be able to afford to fly some incredibly cool stuff and have real adventures. Flying airliners is cool but gets samey. Aerobatic competition is incredible, flying obscure vintage taildraggers is cool, flying the family on vacation to the Bahamas in your Baron is cool. It’s a hell of a life to have.
ThrowRA_11728291@reddit
Just don’t get a V-tail bonanza.
Please.
FeatherMeLightly@reddit
If you want to switch careers, use your current career to fund the next. Only you will know if it's something you will want to do as a job every day. I can tell you it is a lot different when you have to fly vs the romanticized idea some have of being a pilot.
Go see if you can get your class 1 medical and schedule a discovery flight, your cfi and you will take it from there.
As for switching later in life, your not even close to "later" yet.
Best of luck
Anonymous_Coward-500@reddit
I’d keep working as a doctor. Just fly for fun. A lot of airline pilots say the last time they flew for fun was the day before they got hired.
Reallyveryrandom@reddit
Bro are you me? My dream was to be a pilot ever since I was a kid. Your parents response makes me even question if you’re of Asian descent lol
Similar age and finished fellowship last year. Last month I did a discovery flight and just started lessons. Our stage in life allows us to do this purely for fun now and not rely on it as a job.
Regarding the thing about jets tho, yeah that’s a long tough journey. I spent a lot on VR and flight sim equipment and it scratches the itch for more complex planes for me. Plus we have enough responsibility to others’ lives during our workday lol.
If you’ve finished residency, the hard part is over- find a local flight school and do a discovery flight!! No point feeling bad about it if you’ve not actually tried it yet! Literally after my discovery I thought wow that’s too much I’ll never learn it back to flight sim forever. Then I slept it off and signed up for lessons.
One thing I’ll caution you on - look into getting the medical clearance early. Our training is not kind to us and we may have developed certain “conditions” that make it hard to get the medical clearance.
Perfect_Insurance_26@reddit
I'm not a glorified bus driver, but I am a glorified taxi driver.
My job is mostly unexciting, but I have a great time meeting most of my passengers, and I always have fun flying. The few times that I don't are when I'm sick, tired, or the wind is beating the shit out of me for hours.
My best tip is to drink Gatorade/Powerade and bring it with you on cross country flights for emergency situations.
Dry-Horror-4188@reddit
There is a lot of great comments here, and I will just throw mine into the mix. I, when younger, had aspirations of becoming an airline pilot. Due to family issues, ones that would take pages to explain, chose to pursue a career, any career, to escape my situation. Fast forward a few years. I started a successful career in sales, not wanting to work for anyone, decided insurance was a great way to make a living. A few years in, bought a Cherokee 180, since I yearned to fly. Found out I could use my plane in business, as well as fulfill my passion for aviation. Got my IR and started flying all over the Southwest for my business.
After awhile I started to loose my passion for flying. It had become a tool, a tool to my career and business. After the novelty of flying in the clouds, shooting approaches to minimums and the boredom of sitting in my bird at altitude, wore off, I ended up parking my bird. I had lost my desire to fly. I thought about throwing in the towel, listed it for sale, and was ready to walk away. Flying had become boring. I was doing quite a bit of flying to see clients. The thrill was gone.
My plane sat for 2 years. One day I decided I missed it. Got it into the shop for an annual, and repairs, while upgrading the avionics. Now I fly it on my time. I still use it to fly to see clients, but not like I used to. I fly it to enjoy aviation, not to fly just for my business. Where I live now, I am surrounded by a few Capitan's for SWA and American, and the common complaint they tell me is how bored they are in their career. I get it.
Become an AME. Be a good one. I actually fly back to SOCAL from Texas to see my AME. I like him, he gives me better advice than my regular doc, and he lets me know if he has concerns. Buy a plane, fly it at your leisure, you currently have gainful employment and I see the many folks struggling to get a job, right now, in the world of aviation. Since you are an M.D. maybe consider becoming and AP? You still get to perform medicine (only on an airplane) and you do not have to worry about insurance billing. Plus, given what I pay my AP, I am sure you will make the same amount.
Alwaylearnings@reddit
I don't think you'd be happy working as a commercial pilot , but it seems you would be happy to pursue your passion. Those are two far from the same things.
emperormanlet@reddit
If you had said that you are not interested in flying little bugger C152s or C172s, but your dream is to fly anything bigger than a Baron, then I would understand your desire.
HOWEVER. It is odd that your dream is to fly anything bigger than an E175 lol, which is a massive and amazing airplane all things considered. Your dream should feel realized if you ever get to that point. Anything beyond should just be the icing on top.
That being said - you're a doctor. Your earning potential is through the roof. If you're actually interested, start with getting your PPL and other ratings part-time. Perhaps you'll realize how AMAZING it would be to own a bad-ass twin engine airplane, and fly yourself to destinations on your free time. That is a luxury few professions can afford. I'm only a private pilot, but my multi-engine rating made me fantasize about operating my own twin engine airplane some day.
NoGuidance8609@reddit
100% go get your private pilots license. It’s the first step and for many will be enough. You can always add in Instrument even commercial and CFI/II. You can teach on the side and if it becomes all encompassing switch sides. No need to drop one career and go full speed in another direction. Just like medicine, try the least invasive treatment first. Also go buy the book “the Checklist Manifesto” by Atul Gawande. There are many similarities between medicine and aviation.
Overall_Captain@reddit
Harlem- by Langston Hughes begs the question of the cost and consequences of avoiding our calling.
naliao@reddit
Its not late but like...
"Lemme get all this medical student debt and work for 1 year, and then swap to another thing that costs a shitload to get in to"
WingedWildcat@reddit
My AME was a military flight doc who decided he wanted to fly as well. He paid for all his certifications, got hired at a regional, eventually made it to a legacy on a junior fleet with awesome seniority. Recently decided it wasn’t worth the effort and went back to full time AMEing.
Getting your AME certification seems like a no brainer to me. Hell, buy an airplane and start training. Keep going until it isn’t fulfilling. Maybe that’s after a discovery flight, maybe it’s after CFI, maybe you make it to WB Captain. You most certainly aren’t too old but I absolutely wouldn’t quit being a doctor to start learning to fly.
You’re in a great position, stop stressing and FOMOing and just do what makes you happy.
FlyNSail22@reddit
Shot you a DM
saml01@reddit
If you don't have med school loans, sure go ahead.
setecastronomy01@reddit
You can pay off a mortgage but ya can’t pay off regret. I’m not talking about regretting not buying a specific house or car when you had the chance. I’m talking real regret. OP, you need to know specifically what your expectations for your future are. Nothing in this industry is guaranteed. If your goal is a legacy carrier you can accomplish it, but it’s not a foregone conclusion you’ll get hired by one of that makes sense. Could you stomach having a career at a regional or corporate where you are on call like a doctor? Or could you stomach charter where you are also on call depending on who you work for?
All of these will pay good money, but will you have more QOL staying a doctor and maybe just flying general aviation, maybe, maybe not depending on where you “land”. Lots of uncertainty in this love of you make it. I’m not saying you shouldn’t switch, but I’m not saying you should either. I love what I do and I’m blessed to have made it to where I’m at and the timing was right. However, there was a lot of grind to get here, just like med school and residency I’m sure. Constant training, ups and downs, lots of pressure at times, and also lots of great moments and rewards. There are a lot of similarities in the work it takes and the academic demand as well as the practical application of learned skills, procedures etc. At the end of the day, if you can’t live with not trying, then go get some ratings and see if it’s what you want to do for the rest of your life while also maintaining your medical profession.
As for being a glorified bus driver, well, that’s bs, but people who don’t do this, don’t understand, and most of us that do still enjoy it are usually the ones that always wanted to do this. Good luck with your choice, I hope that whatever you choose, that you can find a balance that leads you to being happy with the decision.
DisregardLogan@reddit
Whatever you do, don’t buy a v-tail Beechcraft Bonanza
Electronic_Appeal164@reddit
I know a doctor who works for a legacy carrier. He became a doctor first and kept his credentials up during the career shift. Practises on his days off. Totally doable!
timfountain4444@reddit
Stick to your careers path as a doctor and fly as a hobby. You'll be so much better off.....
ARoaruhBoreeYellus@reddit
What’s your speciality? If it’s Radiology, I can give you the name of 600 flight schools. If not, it’s a tougher decision.
Your Medical Degree won’t go away overnight. Plus the physician lifestyle kinda lends itself to a smooth transition. Train around your clinical hours. Having a professional degree and being highly educated means you learn quickly, retain knowledge exceptionally well, and understand ongoing professional development (like CME). As long as the airlines are hiring, they’ll want to hire you first.
31 isn’t too late. Understand you may not have the coveted career of those hired in their 20s, but also appreciate that your time in and around the altruistic pursuit of medicine is always going to be something to be immensely proud of.
Good luck!
Substantial_Cold9886@reddit
I am an EM Doc who got his pilots license at 36. I’ve also enjoyed the thought of aviation and flying since I was a kid (I probably would have gone the military route if I hadn’t done medicine though). I realized that flying is a nice hobby, but it takes a lot of consistent effort and, like anything, once you turn it into a job it is not as fun. The good news, is that you can still fly and work toward your 1500 hours while keeping your day job. You don’t have to quit medicine until you get your hours and decide to work professionally. It is a lot of work
airdocful@reddit
also a doc, EM as well lol, planning a career change but also going to learn to fly in steps (unless I get into a cadetship) - great to see if the career is really for you and keeps the money coming in :-)
worskies@reddit
Not a doc, but an ER RN. It's hard to see myself in this career another 30+ years and I'm only a few years in. I also had similar aspirations to OP when I was a teen, but for different reasons, it wasn't feasible for me until now.
OP, I'm around your age and I think a career change is still totally possible if your financial situation allows. Definitely keep your job though and try to fly at least a couple times a week to get your PPL, like everyone on this sub says.
Also, who knows, maybe you will find a passion in medicine in your life post residency and decide to stick with it for the long haul.
Greenie302DS@reddit
Piggybacking because also an EM doc, got my pilot license mid 30’s. Switching to aviation would be like going back to medical school and residency again but in a specialty where jobs are hit and miss.
OP, I’d say continue your day job as an physician and, on the side, get your PPL, IFR, and CPL then decide if you want to make it a hobby or a career.
I’ve chosen jobs or locums work that required travel as an excuse to fly. You can have medicine with a side of aviation.
caccatoro@reddit
Don’t do it.
MidHikeCrisis@reddit
Do it, I’m a registered nurse and I’m trying to be a pilot currently. 27M, I just can’t take healthcare anymore, you’ll have to play towards your strengths you probably have a decent income. It might make sense for you to buy a share of a plane and go to a part 61 school. Aviation has tons of rules and it seems like actually getting your first job is a little like residency, low pay for the amount of hours put in and stressful, but the view and feeling is awesome.
Step 1: go on a discovery flight ~ 150-$300 Step 2: get a medical, if you are unable to get a first class medical flying as an airline pilot is out of your cards Step 3: sign up at a school and start flying, I recommend part 61.
Character-Car-2975@reddit
Wow a doctor… congrats on finishing your residency!
I would say it’s not rare to see people switching in their early 30’s in aviation. Shoot my senior is now flying triple 7’s. Note that he switched from ame to pilot when he had a wife and a child.
I would say try to experience it though first. if you haven’t done so, a familiarization flight would be great to actually feel what it’s like to be a student pilot.
Since you’re a doctor, you would know more about human anatomy and pain, but heres a warning that I was told by a CFO, “flying in some ways are closer to a desk job than you might think, there’s a seat, a computer, and even a window. Most importantly, back pain” make sure to stretch and get your blood circulating. You’ll need this in longer flights.
AceofdaBase@reddit
Become an AME
usdesertflier@reddit
Life isn’t a rehearsal. You get one shot at trying different things out.
PyroAv8r@reddit
There are physicians that are airline pilots. Plenty of pilots have secondary careers. I recently left the military and am the same age w the same pursuit. Dont listen to the nay sayers, you can do this and both if you want.
flyingkea@reddit
My partner was 31 when he started his pivot into aviation. While he did take time off work to do flight training full time, he did have to go back part time to finish. He was a security tech, not a doctor though. Now he’s in his mid 40s working as a narrowbody Captain.
I started out of school, and now in my mid 30s I’m an FO on a narrowbody. I expect to make command within the next 2 years, after being there for 2 years already. We are transiting to a new fleet atm, so a bit of disruption in the company and commands are happening pretty quick.
Also, not every country has the mandatory retirement thing - I work in Australia, and that’s not a thing here. It’s age based discrimination and people have successfully argued it in court. ICAO has the rule of no airline pilots flying above the age of 65, so while you many not be able to operate internationally to the countries with that rule, you can certainly work domestically, or to countries without that rule.
UpbeatAppointment176@reddit
My good friend is a doc in his late 70’s has several aircraft with clinics all over the state . I’m sure they make a great write off .
svande8952@reddit
After you become a pilot you should go to law school, then you'll have the trifecta.
sovook@reddit
Lmao 🤣 winning comment!
Difficult-While-7673@reddit
I have actually encountered a few doctors turned airline pilots. Most from military backgrounds.
31 is not too late, but is throwing away a career in medicine worth it? Probably not, but that’s also only something you can answer. If you hate medicine, you’ve got a lot of working years left. Better to quit now.
Ideally you’d do your flight training while practicing medicine. If you can stay involved in medicine, that is a great fallback to have if flying doesn’t work out. It also sounds like it could be very lucrative. I’m not sure how that works with the medical profession though.
Party-Guarantee-1264@reddit
As a fellow doctor of sorts DPT and 28 Male I feel you. I’ve realized I have one life so take the plunge. Keep your license and do PRN gigs while you train. Worst comes to worst you fall back on medicine. As an MD though you have some opportunities within aviation that others would not.
rainautumnrain@reddit
I saw you said you don't have any loans, which was my first thought. What specialty are you in? Also an MD and I started flying after fellowship and have a CFI now. Depending on your specialty it could be easier or harder to take the time to fly, but you don't even need to go part time to do it. Not that aviation is easy at all, but I'm sure if you've gone through med school and residency you can get all your ratings while working just fine. Not having 400k in loans also puts you at a good place to even work part time if you'd like. Medicine is depressing in a special way, but I didn't realize that until 5+ years after training what a privilege it is to have a very stable reasonably well paid job.
Or maybe your financial situation is different and you never really had to consider money if you didn't have student loans...in that case if career satisfaction is your only concern, I would still stay in medicine while at least getting your ratings up to CFI. Reason 1: you'll have a much better idea about the aviation world by then. Aviation is kid of it's own world like medicine and you don't really know the shitty parts until you really are in it for a while. Reason 2: I don't know what your specialty is but you might not be caught up or able to leave and come back depending on what your specialty is (e.g. surgery vs primary care). Reason 3: underneath the crap that is healthcare and medicine now, there is a special satisfaction being able to have the knowledge and skill to do things for people to make them better. Again, depends on your specialty.
Would suggest you get a medical and PPL first!
Aerobaticdoc@reddit
Being a physician and a pilot at the same time is actually a great life, not going to lie. But you can’t have both jobs and it is a LOT easier to have flying as a hobby than medicine as a hobby.
I do both (medicine and aviation) and the impulse to fly larger aircraft completely disappeared for me. Funny enough it was replaced with aerobatics. So my advice is, don’t quit your day job and go get some flying lessons so you can put all that good good attending money towards avgas and happiness.
rainautumnrain@reddit
Same! No reason you can't do some flying and get some certificates while working. You'll have the freedom to have fun on the side too, like try some aerobatics.
Chappietime@reddit
Plenty of doctors have a ppl. Get yours on your days off. It’s not too late, but you are well positioned to not have to fully commit unlike most everyone else.
Get the license, see how it goes. Get your instrument ticket, see how it goes. Just keep your job, until you know a lot of what you don’t know now.
The smart play may be like others said. Get your ratings and buy a tbm, maybe with a partner to keep costs down. The. You get the best of both worlds.
InternationalMud3392@reddit
If it’s your dream man, GO FOR IT! Don’t let anyone talk you out of it. I’ve been a cop for almost 16 years and stepped away a few months ago. I am now attending flight school, there are a few schools out there that will allow you to time build and I’m on track to hit my ATP minimums (1500 hrs) in just about 6 months. The goal is ending up at a major within the next 8-10 years or less. It’s what I always wanted to do and I completely turned my back on a stable career to follow my true passion. Get after it man, you only have one life!
Empty-Lobster6249@reddit
I’ve been a surgical PA for 6 years and got my helicopter PPL on the side when I was 35. I had similar aviation aspirations as a child, but was pushed into medicine by my parents.
I tried to make the switch out of medicine to aviation, but as others have said aviation is quite volatile and I’m reminded frequently how lucky I am in medicine (although it can be an absolute suck fest most days lol). I’d start by getting your PPL on the side and seeing if you still love it enough to switch.
One of the physicians I work with has his PPL and his own Cessna. In summary, I don’t think it’s a crazy endeavor, but you’ve worked quite hard to get to where you are, and I think pushing through the next few years as an attending and exploring aviation on the side is a reasonable plan.
Disastrous-Isopod626@reddit
After 50 years in aviation, I know only one Doctor who was able to jump from his long time career into a major airline pilot career. This happened when United pilots went on strike. United Airlines started hiring non-union pilots. My friend interviewed and was hired by United. He was considered a “scab” by his crew mates. He told me, he didn’t care how poorly he was going to be treated; this was a life long dream. He was 40+ years old. At United He eventually was promoted to Captain. He told me he loved his job and it was the best decision he made. So my advice, stay with your current position and build your aviation resume. When the time to jump to your new career happens, JUMP!
Raut10@reddit
Seeing a lot of comments telling you to do it as a hobby. As a professional trader who transitioned into aviation at 27, and now just landed my first corporate PIC position at 30, I dont regret leaving one solid career to join another that I have passion for. Are there hurdles? Yes. Are some days grueling? Yes. Is there uncertainty in the field? Also yes. Does it make me happy every time I get into a cockpit? Every. Single. Time.
You're obviously a smart person. Get your medical, take an introduction flight, see if you like being behind the yoke. I made great money from 21-27 but hated what I did. I always wondered if there was work out there that id enjoy one day & I finally found what I can happily get out of bed for.
I wouldn't quit working, but get your ratings on the side. Once you hit CFI & are willing to live off savings for a bit, then consider reducing your schedule to build time. At the end of the day its a you question. Cheers & blue skies!
dyaddaw@reddit
I used to fly with a PA who would work 4 days at the airlines and 3 days at an endocrinology office. He eventually bought the practice and cut back hours there to fly more. I would look into if you could do both.
intergrade@reddit
Lots of doctors fly their own planes… best of both worlds?
Unique_Security3993@reddit
What type of physician are you? You are living your life to make your parents happy. It’s not their life to live though. The most analogous specialty in medicine to a pilot is anesthesia. Most of the time things are boring and go as planned. The greatest incidence of danger occurs at takeoff/landing ( induction/emergence). Medicine can be a tough grind if you’re in the wrong specialty. Is that part of the problem? Regardless, you owe it to yourself to investigate your degree of interest in aviation. Work toward your PPL to see if you really want to fly. You can still work as an M.D. while doing so. Then, if you want to go all in, do so. You only have one life to live. So live it doing what you want to do.
yeeee_hawwww@reddit
It’s not late, I am in similar path. But there are a lot of things to consider? 1. How much outstanding loans do you have? If you do, can you pay it all while paying for flying? 2. If you have family or planning to have family, are they supporting you fully in this endeavor? Relationships get challenging when money is tight.
Dm me if you have more questions, happy to talk.
Easy-Flower309@reddit (OP)
Hey great questions. I’m fortunate to not have any loans and am single
korc@reddit
You are insanely privileged and should just do whatever you want in that case. Why is it even a question? You can never fail no matter what you do
Peacewind152@reddit
I feel unusually qualified to answer this...
-Has anyone here switched into aviation later in life?
Yup! Me! Worked 10 years in IT before deciding I needed to get on with the dream. I'm at the very end of my training. I will definitely be out of IT entirely by January 2026. The first job I plan (and actually want) to do is flight instruction.
- Is 31 actually considered late?
Nope. I started at that age actually! I'm now 36.
-Does anyone know pilots who came from medicine or another professional field?
One of my instructors was a millwright to changed careers at 40. He's now flying for a regional carrier. Another instructor of mine is also in IT and is making the transition early next year. He's mid 40s.
-And for those already in the industry, do you still enjoy it?
Literally everyone I've spoken to who is a second career aviator is still in love with it. They don't regret the choice because they truly chose it and didn't just "fall in" to it.
mikenkansas1@reddit
Just from casual observation I've noticed doctors and flying don't seem to mix.
YMMV
Harry73127@reddit
You are considering leaving one of the most rock solid careers in the country for one of the most volatile, and one with a far lower starting salary if you make it to that point. I am in software and am training towards my commercial now, but I have a “I’ll get there when I get there” mindset. I would not drop everything to become a pilot like a lot of people want to do
gromm93@reddit
It's also worth noting that there are thousands of unstable careers.
It's certainly a reason not to become a pilot over a career in medicine, but I honestly don't think of it as being the most unstable job.
Another reason to choose medicine over aviation, is that the most fulfilling careers are those that help people directly. Many pilots describe their time as flight instructors to be the most fulfilling part of their careers, in spite of it also being the most underpaid and overworked part.
However, the ultimate deciding factor is what's in your heart. Many people are raised to be doctors and lawyers, only to become poets and artists instead, forever condemned to be poor and unrecognized until they die. Being a pilot is not a bad choice compared to that.
adii100@reddit
You can help people develop their pilot skills and more via being a CFI.. it doesn’t have to be a doctor - there are aviation specific careers that help others grow directly.
Physical-Program-509@reddit
I mean that’s a little hyperbole
Career councilors use 14 Clusters and 72 Sub-Clusters that serve as the primary organizing structures for CTE
To say that there are thousands of careers let alone thousands of unstable careers is a little wild. Unstable jobs at an individual maybe? Are you trying to say that every convincible job title is a career?
exnapetal@reddit
i like the “i’ll get there when i get there mindset”. i’m also in the same boat working full time and paying my way through. i realized there’s no rush if money is coming in somehow
MountainMan17@reddit
Your logic is sound, but I get the impression OP has a safety net most people don't have.
If he mortgaged his future to go to med school, you can bet he wouldn't be thinking about walking away. He himself says he could afford flight school, so - for whatever reason - money is not an issue.
This is not a critique of the OP, just a recognition that he appears to be in a position few people are in.
Harry73127@reddit
True. Sometimes people really do just got it like that, which I’m jealous as hell but more power to them
tooth-ache@reddit
Don’t be jealous of people like. I went to a private high ranked dental school. Most of my classmates had their college and dental school paid by parents. A good portion of these kids were entitled pricks completely disconnected from the real world of survival. The moral of the story is that went you’re given something for free, you have not value and appreciation of what you have. We had a kid that ment to med school then changed his mind after 3 years and went back to dental school. Finished school then went to law school. That’s about 900k without a dime coming out of his pocket. People like that are miserable and can’t enjoy things. So be careful what you wish for.
KITTYONFYRE@reddit
ah, yeah. sometimes known as "people".
Physical-Program-509@reddit
We’re all miserable in our own ways
FlyFastEatAss954@reddit
OP, this is great advice. Being a pilot is great, but it's a very unstable job market. Lots of luck and timing.
UndeadFrogman@reddit
Sorry I’m new to this. Why is there so much luck and timing involved? I thought they always needed pilots. I figured it was a stable job
FlyFastEatAss954@reddit
There are many reasons, but a big thing we’re seeing today is the market being over-saturated, even at the CFI level. Just take a look at this subreddit and you’ll see endless posts from CFI’s struggling to find jobs. A lot of people heard about the Covid hiring craze and decided to get into flying, so here we are.
Physical-Program-509@reddit
Nah those guys are just doomers theres plenty of hiring
Come sign up for a quick 6 month course at my flight school, it’s only $85,000 and we promise you’ll be done in 6 months. No refunds if you fail out though
/s
Bunslow@reddit
there will always be airlines, but there won't always be the same airlines.
and pay is entirely based on seniority within the company. so if your company goes bankrupt, then you start all over again at another company. the classic example was you'll go from $500k/yr captain 747 with pan am to $100k or $50k flying right seat of a narrowbody jet at a new airline.
so if you pick the wrong airline, your entire career can be hosed, essentially
GusBuss94@reddit
Great username! Hahaha
FlapsFail@reddit
JIA pilot?
FlyFastEatAss954@reddit
Two of my favorite things.
Mundane-Reality-7770@reddit
A man of culture
denny1985@reddit
Follow this man’s advice. I’m 40 and tried the full career switch at 30. It didn’t meet expectations. I now fly with no debt and “I’ll get there when I get there” has freed me to enjoy every moment. It’s not about haces CPL or he’s box ticked. You’ll see. Just try not to fuck up a solid foundation to find this out.
Sspmd11@reddit
You literally can do both. I know of an airline pilot that is also a pharmacist, PhD. The airline pilot job can give you the time off.
anotherquack@reddit
The moment you quit being a doctor and take an aviation job full time, you need to be prepared to not progress to any other aviation job for many years.
After 9/11, 2008, or honestly even right now, there are people who had to be flight instructors or regional FOs for many years before more opportunities opened up.
That’s not to tell you what to do, if you’re so unhappy flying a big smasher around making less than a full time minimum wage job would while students try to kill you and not study sounds better, then go do that.
The good news is aviation is a suitable activity for a hobby, so you can keep being a doctor until you reach the level of an E175 and go 121.
UltraNuggetPrime@reddit
I started flight school at 31 with a family with two very young children.
You just have to be okay with the idea that It’s not gonna be comfortable. It’s a stressful way to live day to day, but I there is light at the end if you’re willing to wait for it. Even if it takes years to get there, you’ll still have a 20+ year career to look forward to. It’ll come back around.
I was a sub mechanic. I was good at it, but I hated it. Then a licensed boiler operator for good money at a nuclear power plant. Hated that shit. Even tried a year as a nursing assistant to gauge whether or not healthcare was for me, and it’s not.
I understand why people told me it was a bad idea, but those reasons were never limiting factors for me. It’s the only thing I ever felt I wasn’t settling for, and I knew that if I was going, I was gonna go. My children depended on it and I made it happen.
Flying is life, big dawg. Hasn’t been easy for me yet, but it will be soon enough, and I will be rewarded plentifully in time. Just gotta have the patience doomers tell you nobody has.
brvheart@reddit
Use your high income to get a shit load of hours. Don’t just pivot. Buy a plane and fly it everyday. Get up over 1500 hours, and then see if you would still want to be a pilot at an airport full of customers complaining. If you do, and your plane and house are paid off, absolutely pivot. By that time you should have all necessary certs to become a pilot. However, I’m guessing you will end up loving that you can fly your friends and family anywhere or nowhere depending on your mood.
Manifestgtr@reddit
Honestly, you should just do what I did. I have a main career that finances my flying. When you make something a profession, it takes away a good portion of the innocent naïveté that drew you to it in the first place. I’m a professional guitarist and of course…I still love music. But money is involved…and competition…and obligation. But when it’s time to fly, I can hop in, go wherever I want (within reason), rock my wings and go “weeee, I’m a pilot”.
addixion@reddit
I’m basically your twin but 20 years older than you. Our stories of our upbringings and the family opinions are the same. Can’t wait to be done with medicine. Started flying lessons but work always got in the way - I own my practice so 7am-6pm days got in the way of scheduling. Still have the bug but worry I’ve aged out of it. Even applied and got into an airline’s career academy a few years ago when they were prioritizing “atypical” candidates but couldn’t uproot the family by then.
If you want to do it, if you don’t think you’ll ever be satisfied without doing it, go for it. You only live once. And medicine is terrible now.
1Crownedngroovd@reddit
Pursue your ratings and accumulating hours, but keep your day job, or maybe, depending on your specialty, you can contract or do temp work. Flight training and building hours is expensive. If you can pay as you go due to your med job, I say go for it. As long as you go into it because you love flying, it's awesome. However, if you are going into it because you want to fly at a legacy carrier, you might be disappointed.
whiskeymugee@reddit
Bro get your PPL/IR on the side and buy a sick plane with all that bank and enjoy flying for fun instead of doing it for work
AccomplishedFarmer91@reddit
If you are 31 now and are starting at ground zero…..even if you go full time and get commercial certification in 12-18 month, you’ll be pushing 33. Job market is tough and you’ll prob be grinding it out…getting Multi/CFI/CFII. If you can find a CFI job and burn it up you could get your ATP in a few more years. If your goal is to be an airline pilot, you’ll prob be competitive for a Regional job in your late 30’s. All this after burning through cash for 5-6 years. Dude, be a doctor, buy a plane, fly your ass off in your free time and reassess in 2-3 years….
International_Hat37@reddit
I wanted to be a dentist. Ended up in the dental lab space and now I do dentistry and fly with 3D printers.
TechFlyer@reddit
Start on your private and see how that goes. Make friends with local pilots and see if you can get opinions through how to begin a career. If you’re concern with age, you don’t always have to go the airline route. Plenty of corporate gigs. If there’s true passion behind it you’ll enjoy it. Just the money may not match what you make as a doctor.
thefouthblindmouse@reddit
I started as a pilot, but then became a nurse. So the reverse of you.
To be more clear: I got out of high-school and went to college. A common adage is to not get an aviation degree. I studied nursing while I was also flying. I have my ratings, but also passed the NCLEX. After aviation was not paying money, I started working in nursing and basically gave up on the 121 legacy captain dream. Being I am a government employee, making good money, have great benefits, and an amazing pension I do not think I'll be doing anything besides fun and maybe teaching on the side.
aud1487@reddit
Guy at the church we attended when I was in grad school was a pilot for FedEx. And a pharmacist.
Bot_Marvin@reddit
If a E175 isn’t big enough for you to be a happy pilot, your passion isn’t aviation, it’s some abstract lifestyle or fancy jet.
Foxbat100@reddit
Yeah, underrated insightful comment. You'll need to spend a few hundred hours in clapped out 172s with the rest of us, if that isn't appealing, its going to be a long road to Pan Am
gromm93@reddit
Even longer since Pan Am doesn't exist anymore.
Physical-Program-509@reddit
That really struck out to me too
The E175 is a fine jet
Salt-Cold1056@reddit
Get your private pilots license and IFR rating before you even consider switching careers away from being a Doctor. Flying for fun is awesome if you have a safe and fast plane.
Fkthefaa@reddit
You’re fine at 31. You can also be a part time aviation medical examiner on the side to make more money. Go for it
Informal-Noise4116@reddit
Do it. I’m a 34 year old ex investment banker who made the switch.
llamachef@reddit
Join an Air Force guard or reserve unit with planes as their flight doc, I know a doc who joined in his late 40s so he could ride in fighters
surgeon_michael@reddit
Surgeon who dabbled in flying. Keep medicine as career and flying as hobby
GlitteringShallot262@reddit
I'm not reading all the comments but been a doctor for 35 years. The way medicine has changed would not do again. I won't do corporate medicine or try to run people through the office all day long so I make beans. Most things pay way less then they did when I started. There are elective surgeries I won't even do anymore because I'll get paid so little. Let me show you my stack of denied visits and 3 cent checks. Now I have the relationship with my patients that I want, we talk family, I get brought veggies from the garden, been to a patients house to help him with getting his wifes car started. . Just watched an airshow from a patients hanger. But the misconception that all doctors make bucks and get respect....
That being said I have always been interested in flying and always hoped to be able to fly medical missions. Just never had the money to. So that is one possibility. And pick a specialty that isn't mainly medicare advantage patients if you want money
UsuckUnoob@reddit
Switched careers at 32 from a mid level executive.
Also, are you Asian?
nesargent@reddit
You only live once. Jumped into a 141 program at 34 and I’m scared shitless but couldn’t be more excited. Money comes and goes but regrets will follow you to the grave.
doctorfortoys@reddit
Why not take flying lessons now? Do you have to be a commercial pilot, or could you find joy in flying other planes?
AllMoneyGone@reddit
Definitely not too late, keep the doctor job, get your PPL, then buy a Cirrus!
Creepy_Type@reddit
Financials aside, no you’re not too old in the slightest. Start working on your ratings on the side while maintaining your position as a doctor and someday in a few years with some savings (use your high paying job to your advantage here) it’ll make sense to jump ship at least half way and work on your time building phase.
Regarding the E175 comment…
It’s great to have goals as I’m sure you know but …”you’re out of your element, Donny”. I promise you wont give a flying fuck how big your first jet is and the actual time and effort it takes to get to that point will surely ground you a little bit on the way there.
Ok-Helicopter690@reddit
I started pursuing a career change to fly a couple years ago. I already had my private pilots license, so I went and got instrument, commercial, and multi. Flew as much as possible, even towed banners which was a blast. Im currently a first officer flying my first jet and I just turned 40. Left an 18 year career in engineering for it. I wouldn’t go back for anything, this is the best job in the world. Do it.
Impossible-Meet1724@reddit
Don't quit your job. My CFI back in the day was still practicing as a doctor while instructing part time for fun, you should consider this route.
pattj91@reddit
Bro just buy a Bonanza like all the other doctors.
Then_Bar8757@reddit
How old will you be in a year, two, five if you don't start now?
Start.
SpartanDoubleZero@reddit
What’s it take to be an AME? I’d go that route, work with a club, get your ratings there and use being a clubs go to AME as your in to the world of aviation. Then once you have your PPL you can call yourself doctor pilot.
But in all seriousness, I would spend the time working your ratings while you work as an AME. Maybe flying is just an itch you need to scratch, I wouldn’t make a quick decision on this at all since 0-1500 is a long road and you’ll need income to make that happen and survive along the way.
JeffreyDollarz@reddit
Don't quit your job to do this.
Fly as a hobby and work your way through your ratings while you have your current job.
Maybe one day it'll make sense to retire from your practice in lieu of flying. Until then, at least you have a good job and can still fly.
Sorry_Abbreviations8@reddit
Wait are you my friend Jimmy?! If not I’ll send you to him. He’s finished residency and first year as a icu fellow now and also has his CML license and flies on all his free time lol
Easy-Flower309@reddit (OP)
Wow, I genuinely never expected this thread I posted around lunchtime to get this much attention. I’m honestly overwhelmed by the amount of responses and support. I’ve read every single comment, even if I don’t have time to reply to all of them individually.
A lot of common themes definitely came through, and I understand why many of you are suggesting that completely leaving medicine may not be the best move.
One thing I did want to clarify though: I don’t hate medicine, and I don’t dislike being an MD. There are actually a lot of things I enjoy about it. It’s more that a career in aviation has been in the back of my mind literally every day since long before I ever started down the path to becoming a physician. I honestly thought that feeling might fade at some point once I became fully immersed in medicine, but it never really did.
I also really appreciate the advice about starting with a PPL and building experience gradually while keeping the security net of medicine in place for now. That honestly seems like the smartest and most balanced approach. In a lot of ways, I wish I had started pursuing that years ago, even just on the side. But the reality is that everything required to get to this point in medicine was basically a decade-long survival mode, with barely enough time or energy to even take care of myself properly.
And I have to admit, it’s reassuring to hear from so many people that 31 is not too old to start. For some reason I had it in my head that because of the mandatory retirement age at 65, most people entering the field would already be 10+ years younger than I am now.
Seriously though, thank you all again. The amount of thoughtful advice and encouragement here has meant a lot more to me than you probably realize. You are all awesome.
mduell@reddit
Why not be a doctor and fly for fun? Probably enjoy the flying more than a line pilot does.
lmfaowasup@reddit
Do it as a hobby and if you still feel the same way in ten years switch it up. You just got to the finish line!
apeelvis@reddit
Flight attendant comes over the intercom: “Is there a doctor on board?” OP flips on the autopilot “Don’t worry Dr. Pilot is on the way”
adventureseeker1991@reddit
not a pilot. but how about you do private pilot for the fix. and if it’s more about traveling and not planes/jets what about being a doctor with more of a part time schedule
Historical-Pin1069@reddit
Don't do it lol..
Meani123@reddit
At least if the flying doesn't work out you have one hell of a backup. I say go for it.
flying_penguin104@reddit
I’ll trade with you
Lagggging@reddit
Surgeon here. I understand how you’re feeling. ~200hr private pilot just flying for fun over several years.
Ive thought about this too but my conclusion is 1. the grass is always greener on the other side 2. Once I start flying as a job it’s not going to be fun anymore
I agree with other people here. Just get your private and see how it goes from there, but most likely going to have a lot more fun just keeping with your doctor job and being able to afford to fly whatever and whenever you have time
Choledocholoco@reddit
Medicine will generally be a consistent paying field, and you can certainly bankroll to be a pilot. The risk assessment of being a pilot versus a physician can be dangerous. If you felt like it, why not apply for your 1st class medical, go through flight school, and see how it goes? Start recreationally and work towards CFI. You won't be years in the hole and can make the decision without tanking anything. Keep practicing medicine, as you should be making $250K even working a couple of days a week and see if you really enjoy it.
What about doing the AME side of things?
Potential_Bag_7893@reddit
My old AME flew citations and falcons. He started as an AME, build the necessary time, then switched to mostly flying while doing AME stuff on the side. That sounds like it could be a good path for you. It would be easier to schedule AME appointments with a fixed schedule (7 on/7 off, etc.), but could also be done flying for airlines.
Do one or more discovery flights to make sure you like flying, the plane, the school, and the CFI. I would consider buying a plane to train in, but I’m not sure whether I would do it before I got my private pilot certificate or after (there are pros/cons to each option).
FWIW, I know several attorneys who either made the switch full time or still practice law on the side. They all have practices with flexible schedules and can throttle work up/down as needed.
Ill_Disk_1115@reddit
I’m a physician too, was interested in aviation my whole life and wanted to be an airline pilot when i was a kid. After residency I took flying lessons, got a PPL + IR and the challenge was fun and rewarding, and there are a lot of similarities to medicine actually like you said. My feeling is that doing something fun as a job that your livelihood depends on will eventually feel like work and not as fun, and you’ll risk hating that thing eventually, or at least parts of it. Doing something you love when you want to and on your own terms, detached from any responsibility to it, is the sweet spot. Take my opinion with a grain of salt, but getting a PPL will totally be worth it regerdless of whether you take it further to commercial, ATP, etc
SternM90@reddit
I switched after 8 years as a physical therapist and 115k in school debt. My agreement with my wife was to make the change after my loans were paid off, as well as any subsequent loans from training.
Bowzy228@reddit
DON’T!
If you love flying, just get your PPL and join a flying club. It might take you 10 years plus to make what you’re making now if you decide to transition.
Quirky-Advisor9323@reddit
I fly for fun and work in a career that I love. I wouldn’t trade it for a second. I’ve gotten a mountain flying course out of the way. Am lined up for a tailwheel endorsement soon. I fly for pleasure and now and then can mix it with work too, for work trips now and then.
Have you ever considered building the financial and schedule stability that a career in medicine offers you and using that to fly cool airplanes? It seems like a massive waste of your funds and your resources to have gotten all the way through residency, only to go back and live in poverty again as you slog through the aviation machinery to maybe make it to the airlines. Which you very well may not by the way.
It’s worth asking why you’re at the end of residency and now wish to get out of that career path. But I don’t know if this is the right way.
Danlovestofly@reddit
Go buy a Cirrus and enjoy flying
JohnKimbler@reddit
Look up Jeremy Robertson from Qantas. He was a pilot there, lost his medical due to Type 1 diabetes then retrained as a doctor and got the rules changed so he could get his class 1 back. He’s now a pilot at Qantas again.
Avlatlon@reddit
Don’t waste your brain to become a pilot lol
smh_my-head@reddit
If you're a US citizen have you considered being a flight doc for the Air Force? You would get your share of action and you would still get to fly. You might even fly in some fast jets depending on where you're stationed. Probably an easier pivot.
Dapper-Ant-113@reddit
I actually know a Doctor who made the switch. He became an AME, flies and teaches simulators. If you send me a message, I will give you his contact information. I am sure he could give you a lot of good information.
Opening-Insect-7330@reddit
Do what makes you happy. Best advice anyone is ever going to give you. At the end of the day you dont take nothing to the grave.
rocketgirl_kels@reddit
Not an MD but I am an ER RN who flies recreationally (PPL). Why don't you consider just flying for fun? Or at least, start taking some lessons / fam flights and see what you think! Join some local AV communities to meet others and see if you can tag along on flights.
exbex@reddit
I would 100% not leave the medical profession at this point. 31 is not too old to transition, but you’d be throwing away all the time you’ve spent getting to where you are in medicine. Put in 20 years while you fly on the side. Buy a plane, build some hours and then get a side job right seat in a king air or maybe a jet. After 50, if you’re still hell bent on flying for an airline, retire from medicine and work for a regional for 15 years. Depending on the hiring cycle, you might even make it to a major and get to fly a wide body as an FO. I dint think you understand how volatile this profession is. Layoffs, bankruptcies, base closures, mergers etc etc. very few other industries are like this. The last 8 or so years have not been normal. Me a doc, make some $$ and fly for fun. Missing your commute home and spending another night away from your family because weather rolled through ord gets old fast.
Carre_Munuts@reddit
Competence is not a question. The question is the time / money investment… why??
DMarrero@reddit
I am a radiologist. I just recently got my ppl during my spare time. I also have always dreamed of being a pilot.
I however can honestly say that there is no better job than being a physician. You have the privilege of treating people during their worst days. Regardless if they appreciate it or not. On your death bed you will be able to look back and say you made a difference for the better.
Enjoy your accomplishments of being an attending. Fly in your spare time. And who knows you could always be a part time MD and part time ATP. Lord knows you’re smart enough to do both.
Good luck.
Agreeable-Gap-4160@reddit
Which country are you in?
Makes a big difference when starting out.
MNSoaring@reddit
I’m a physician who has had the same aviation desires as you describe, for the same length of time. I’m now too old at 55 to bother making it a career, but I did get my PPL, glider and IFR a few years ago. I now fly for fun, and do charity flying through lifeline pilots as well as civil air patrol.
At 31, you can totally make it, if that’s your desire. As others have said, keep your medical license going and work on your ratings. FWIW, once you have your PPL, you can get many other ratings through civil air patrol for a fraction of what it would normally cost. And, you get to give back at the same time.
Cautious-Listen-1053@reddit
I know a physician who files for Air France during the week and sees his patients during the weekend. If you love something, just go do it. You can always come back to médicine any time
DMarrero@reddit
As an MD this is not true. You cannot always come back to medicine at any time.
Any significant time off from practicing medicine raises serious red flags as a prospective employer.
kraney@reddit
It sounds as though you haven't had any flight training yet. You've got a good bit of non-professional flying to do before you're really facing a career change decision. My suggestion is, go get your PPL, and don't quit your day job to do it. You'll know a LOT more about what you want when you're done - if you finish (the majority don't.)
Maybe you'll find out it isn't as magical as you think. Or maybe you'll love it and find flying for fun is enough to satisfy. Or, maybe you'll still be seriously wanting that career path - in which case, you've still got several more ratings to get before you could get your first job flying.
If you want to work through the ratings full time, so be it. But my recommendation is, start that *after* PPL. Maybe after commercial. Make your real plan as an actual pilot who therefore implicitly knows some instructors and people already on the path you're considering.
Living_Guess_2845@reddit
You should live vicariously through me and cover my training costs! /s
CommuterType@reddit
He’s not “trading” one career for another, he’s adding a career. My AME flys for the same airline I work for. Dude is double dipping and banking some serious $$$.
I say go for it but don’t abandon medicine entirely
bailaowai@reddit
You will absolutely be happier in the long run flying for fun and leisure. 100%. As a person who thought about this 30 years ago but stuck with a career (that turned out to be a lucrative one), I can tell you that nearing semi-retirement I fly wherever and whenever I want in my own plane and I love it. I’ve had almost 30 great years flying and never lost an ounce of passion. By and large the same cannot be said for my airline pilot friends.
UnderdoneSalad@reddit
Stick to PPL or get CPL and either fly for fun durijg free time, or use CPL to work flying scenic flights or something among those "simple" lines. Grind up the corporate ladder will mostlikely tax heavily on you. Just my opinion though.
FlowLogical7279@reddit
Terrible idea. If you want to fly, do that. Driving a bus full of people is not what many think it is.
Living_Translator921@reddit
I'll go against the flow and say you should do it. I was at a similar fork: medicine or aviation. So thought about my future as a doctor: I saw myself happy and financially stable, but also feeling uninterested in my job and wishing I was on an airplane instead. Money and stability are not everything, so If you really wanna do it and are aware of the uncertainty of the path, you should so it. People become airline pilots in their late 50s, so definitely not too late for you. Alternatively, like others have pointed out, you can always become an AME or a flight doctor and also buy your own airplane and fly for fun
Tman3355@reddit
I know a lot of doctors who own planes and fly. You did all that work id stay there and enjoy being able to afford the fun flying of GA.
Adabar@reddit
Gahdamn these comments are already full to the brim. I will answer you this way: 31 is ABSOLUTELY NOT TOO LATE.. and also: YOU have to decide which is going to make you happier. I see the choices as a job that you don’t love but pays really well and will never go away, or a job that is a lot more fun, pays decent/comparable, and definitely could go away. I started at 26 and have 0 regrets. The shortage is approaching the end of its surge but it will still always be a great career to those who pursue it.
gAWEhCaj@reddit
I don’t think it’s too late to switch. However, I think your approach towards this is a little extreme.
While it’s great that you can afford making the switch and paying for flight training. That’s just the first of many steps to getting into flying commercial jets. You gotta build your hours which can get really expensive. Then you have to get ratings for the particular aircraft you’ll be flying after you get a job. Aside from that you should consider the fact that your first job or couple of jobs will likely be with regional airlines flying short haul legs before you can climb the ladder into long haul international flights or cargo. These things take time and it’s worth considering that as you make a major decision.
If I were in your shoes I would finish residency, get an attending job that can be flexible with time so I could dedicate time to pursuing aviation and see where things take you. If that’s what you really feel like is your calling then go for it. Don’t let your parents or social norms stop you. There is nothing wrong with being a “Glorified bus driver” if it makes you happy and fulfilled everyday. Life is too short to do something you don’t enjoy. Just be wise about it and I’m sure you’ll do great. Keep us updated!
shawnwar4586@reddit
Fly for fun my dude. I bet in a few years it won’t be hard to own your own plane.
justtwoguys@reddit
I’m a mid 30s specialist physician. I got my PPL at 17 expecting to be an airline pilot but changed my mind shortly after since there were no flying jobs in Canada. You would be honestly insane to start from ground zero to fly after just finishing residency and all the massive opportunity cost of medical school and training, nevermind the $ cost. You need to self fund your PPL and IR and get a share of a plane and fly for fun. You can easily afford to fly for fun every single week. Fly to conferences. Look for aviation adjacent things like being an AME.
tooth-ache@reddit
No be offense but why the hell did you go through med school and residency knowing that’s it’s not what you wanna do? Did your parents pay for the school?
I’m a doctor and yes aviation career did cross my mind after 16 years of being the doctor. So now I started taking lessons for fun.
theshawnch@reddit
Do noooot quit your career to fly. If you’re serious, then pay out of pocket to get your ratings while working as a doctor. Build hours on the weekends.
Eventually there may come a point where jumping ship makes sense. But keep your options open.
ResponsibilityOld164@reddit
this is the best comment here. he’s gotta stick with being a doctor for now, get his ratings on the weekends, and figure it out
SRM_Thornfoot@reddit
Go watch Field of Dreams, and then if you still want to be a baseball player - I mean a pilot - after that then go be a pilot.
jman014@reddit
I mean I’m a 29yo ICU nurse and hate my fucking life. Healthcare does fucking blow I’ll grant you that, and I don’t envy the respinsibility and blame you’ll get everyday.
I even have a masters in nursing education as of checks watch next week, and I know the satisfactions an all time low insert sick guitar riff
With that said, FOLLOW THE FUCKIN’ DREAM.
But also like ya don’t havw to rush it. Find a job with a schedule you dig, stsrt taking lessons in your off time, and just keep at it.
If you’re unmarried and have no kids get tf after it
And if your parents criticize you, tell the to fuck off. You spent your life being miserable for their sake and you’re following your dream now.
My end goal isn’t even necessarily airlines.
If i can teach flight lessons or do some kind of smaller job flying for a company and do a little bit of nursing/nursing education on the side thats more tha great by me.
If I can make money some way I’m good. Hell I’m even applying to the Air Guard to try and snag a pilot slot but we’ll see if theyw want my decrepit ass
Only_Asparagus@reddit
Do both, become a remote doctor. Lots of remote hamlets and reservations in Canada have little access to healthcare. Make bank, fly to cool remote locations.
ananajakq@reddit
To be honest, in aviation it could take another decade to make the salary you are making now, depending how your career goes. I’m a 32 year old pilot. I just cracked 300k this year, I’ve been flying professionally for 13 years. School costs 100k. It is a fun job but it takes half a decade or more to have a good schedule and make good money. Is it too late? No. Do it you are really passionate about it. Every doctor I know is super burnt out. Being a pilot is definitely way less stressful, but it’s still stressful nonetheless. Anyways good luck with your decision!
HalfParking8404@reddit
If aviation is your passion and you’re honest with yourself about the lower career earnings then by all means go for it. Pilots make good money, I’d rather make good money in a career I love than great money in a career I’m less excited about.
Huge_Analysis_1298@reddit
OP, if I were you, apply to be a military pilot. You will be getting paid and get to fly some really cool machines
100zr@reddit
I'm a professional who despite loving aviation decided to stay a professional and fly as a hobby. No regrets. I fly my plane, on my schedule, on my time. The day job pays for the flying. I work to live, not live to work. I give my hobbies my spare time. I have M.D. friends that do the same. Some of us call them "Doctors with Wallets".
theconsciousamoeba@reddit
Got my PPL in high school and I’m now in medical school. I plan to fly recreationally, maybe integrate flying into a private practice, but I’d always have medicine as my primary bread winner. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Do you have unpaid loans? That’d be my main concern being right out of residency.
Healthy-Airline-577@reddit
Do it! Get your flight training done while you're still working and build your hours. Go work for a private company to build more twin engine time if you want and the try to get in the big leagues. You've got a solid base to start and enjoy it! 31 is not too late!
moxiedoggie@reddit
Go get your ppl. You could have a ton of fun flying and still working as a doctor. Buy a plane and go travel places to help patients. Do Angel Flight and fly patients to their hospital appointments. You doing that as a doctor would be amazing.
AtrophiedTraining@reddit
100% this.
Mr/Miss Doctor, flying your own airplane will get boring.
Angel Flight gives you a mission and you're the captain.
You don't have to be at the beck and whims of any cunty flight school owners, stupid fucking students who won't communicate properly, know-it-nothing captains etc.
drdicerchio@reddit
I wanted a career change too but found it was better to stay in a secure field and fly for fun. I got all the way through to CFI before realizing that doing it for work sucked all the fun out of it.
Flymia@reddit
Make money, fly on the side and get your ratings.
Once you have 250+ hours and ratings you can start thinking real.
I saw in a post you have no debt and no kids. So unless you are a surgeon working 80hours a week you should be able to afford it and have the time for it.
FestivusFan@reddit
No one has posted this yet…Air Force Flight Surgeon. There’s probably openings in the Guard and you’d get to fly on whatever aircraft your unit has.
https://www.airforce.com/careers/healthcare/aerospace-medicine-specialist-flight-surgeon
ghjm@reddit
People become doctors to heal people, but the reality is they spend a lot of time on paperwork and arguing with insurance companies. People become software developers because writing programs is fun, but the reality is they spend most of their time getting build pipelines to pass and sitting through endless scrum meetings. People become airline pilots because flying is cool, but the reality is they spend their whole early career commuting to some faraway base, they're constantly at risk of layoffs/furloughs, and the work itself gets repetitive (assuming it never gets terrifying).
As long as you're comparing the reality of your current career to the idealized view of another, your current career will always look worse.
Budfox_92@reddit
I just did a night turn around 3 hours each leg where I left for work at 19:00 and got back home at 08:00.
Can you imagine how tiring this is and the responsibility of not screwing up and wanting to be in my own bed so badly at those hours.
Flying jets seems amazing and incredible but believe me the bad stuff is really bad in aviation and there is no guarantee you will ever get an airline job let alone fly for a major airline.
My advice keep your day job and keep dreaming like you're a kid looking up at the skies and watching airline crews in airports envying them, believe me there is not much to envy.
Occams_ElectricRazor@reddit
Don't abandon your career for this. DM me if you want advice.
I have my PPL and considered it but it's not worth just yoloing. Do it as a process for fun if you're going to do it and pounce on it when there's a good hiring cycle.
Number1atp@reddit
Are you nuts?
nist7@reddit
Post this also to the airline pilot central forum here: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/career-questions/
There was a 40yo wall st guy that bascially went from the streets to the right seat of a delta plane within like 5-7 years, incredible.
31yo is not old at all. Just make sure it's truly your passion as it can take many years to make it to mainline carriers (ie united, Delta, American, southwest,.etc).
AICDeeznutz@reddit
I’m a senior resident in a surgical subspecialty whose parent just retired from a full career at a major, and I fly for fun, so I’ve got a little bit of both perspectives.
You’ve just finished the residency grind and I think it’s normal to feel totally burnt out on medicine after the misery of residency. Unfortunately it sounds like you kinda got pushed down your career path, so it’s hard to say how much you’ll enjoy it in the long term, but it’s a very stable, very lucrative career and it’s worth an honest try at seeing if you can make it into something you enjoy. Not sure what specialty you are, but you could always become an AME to get some aviation involvement in your practice.
In the meantime, start with your PPL and see how you enjoy it (you should easily be able to fund this), then start working on ratings, maybe buy a plane, keep building hours, get your CPL, etc. You may surprise yourself and find flying for fun is enough to fill your desires, and having a hobby you work to support may also make your work more enjoyable. You’ll also get some realistic exposure to the grind of an early career in aviation around the airport, which is almost as unenviably shitty of a time as medical training, and can help guide you in your decision-making. I would definitely not quit your job now to go full steam in flight training, that seems like a ridiculously poor fiscal decision. Instead just start your flying adventures on your own time and see where it takes you.
Kerfauna@reddit
31 is not late. You could be to an airline by 35 and a legacy by 40.
I got my private pilot as a sophomore, but u didn’t switch to aviation full time until immediately after finishing a masters in social work. Part of what held me back was that my mom is a doctor, and my dad had a medical background. I felt like I had to do something similar. Flying has been leaps and bounds more enjoyable, and I would not go back to social work if I were furloughed.
I know someone else who started med school, quit, worked as a medical supply company manager, who is now a delta captain. Their father, an airline pilot, intentionally tried to steer them away from aviation. If you’ve got the desire to fly, it will never go away.
It’s also possible to have similar income and quality of life to that of a doctor.
SSMDive@reddit
I think you are being a bit generous with the time line. Right now we have posters saying they can't even find a CFI job. We have people with 2KTT saying they can't get a regional to give them anything but TBNT.
Maybe during the "golden times" when regionals were snapping up anyone with 1500TT that could fog a mirror, creating a demand for new CFI's... But right now anyway, finding a CFI job is difficult and last year more CFI certificates were granted than ANY year in history. Add in Spirit is circling the drain and I think 9 years is, well unlikely.
I don't see anyone going from zero-Legacy in 9 years anytime soon.
Kerfauna@reddit
I appreciate your perspective! I’ve been attending conventions (RTAG last year and Women in Aviation this year) with someone I’m close to, trying to help them get a job in the current environment, and I’m very grateful to be where I’m at. I see hundreds if not a thousand pilots standing in line to get face to face with anyone and know how fortunate I am. I also did a flow through program. There will always be best case and worse case scenarios and now is not the ideal time.
SensualPuma@reddit
hey friend - i’m in the same boat as you. 29, doctor, looking to switch as i’ve always loved aviation
i wouldn’t do it now. build up income and savings and then decide in 5 years
FlydirectMoxie@reddit
Save your money and buy a pea shooter jet. The view is the same, the grind isn’t. Time away from family sucks.
arsonal@reddit
Don’t buy a bonanza
jetpilotdds@reddit
I got hired by a major airline when I was 27 years old fresh out of dental school. I flew for 26 years and retired with a pension. I practiced as a dentist for almost 40 years. Loved both careers but the flying itch still is there. As a physician you can afford to get your ratings and even test the waters with an airline. Even John Travolta probably wishes he had an airline career, he scratched the itch by getting type rated in a B747. I think he also owns a B707. Good luck doc.
nated0ge@reddit
I got my license on my mid 20s.
Got my first job as an FI in the UK in my mid 30s.
Work as a survey pilot now with 4000 total hours.
Hopefully a local airline soon, pending on mandatory European pre-airline training.
Its never too late, do the math, have a plan, then execute.
trollisme_iamtroll@reddit
AI
OtterVA@reddit
Depending on your specialty you could do both. Going through flight training is entirely doable as is getting an airline job. you could pause your medical career while you do so, then go work part time as a doctor while being an airline pilot. I have flown with people who have done both.
Gold-Weather_69@reddit
You might be the smartest/dumbest person I know if you’re thinking about switching over.
Gold-Weather_69@reddit
I’ll be happy to switch all my certifications and hours to your medical stuff 🤪
quick-shift@reddit
I’m 30 and changed from aerospace engineering to medicine. I’m currently in medical school. I also have a CPL from flying recreationally and thought a lot about going the professional pilot route. The pilot career would be fun but is volatile, not merit based, and requires a lot of time away from family. Sometimes the pay is similar to medicine but often it’s lower. Medicine is interesting, challenging, stable, well respected, well compensated, and at the end of every day you get to sleep in your own bed and see your family. As a career changer one valuable lesson I’ve learned is EVERY career has problems… and the grass is always greener.
I suggest you go fly recreationally. It’s on your own terms and you’ll have a blast.
quick-shift@reddit
Another thing to chew on is the path to medicine is full of tests and milestones. Once you’re practicing those go away and some people feel lost… you might consider setting some goals
highspeedpolar@reddit
As has been said if I were you I’d take the money from the hard work you’ve already put in over the last decade and maybe incorporate flying into your travels or venture into aerospace/dive medicine.
But if it is gnawing at you, no matter what anyone says here it won’t stop you and that’s the mindset you need to make it in this industry. I fly regularly with ex doctors, vets etc at my airline - one ended up with a career ending condition, spent the next 10 years becoming a DAME and writing a protocol managing it and is now a line FO and one of the airlines Medical Officers/DAME’s. There are opportunities there especially at Legacies to use both of your talents.
39Poppy@reddit
I wanted to be a pro surfer….. instead I went into a very high paying career (not even close to high level doctor pay). Now, every year I’m able to afford multiple vacations to surf destinations. And I still love surfing. it’s for fun. it’s not a job.
bikerdude214@reddit
In my early 30s, I tried to switch from being a lawyer to an airline pilot. I got all my certificates, did CFI work for awhile, then got a job with American Eagle. Two months of training, then I went out and flew trips based in DFW on the Saab 340. A month later, 9/11 happened, then a month after that I was furloughed. So I flew the line for a whopping two months.
When I got my first paycheck, I couldn't believe how low it was. I mean I knew what to expect, but when I saw it I was still shell shocked. I earned more in a day as a lawyer than I earned in two weeks as a regional pilot. The flying part of airline pilot life was great - I'm talking about in the cockpit and we are flying, that part was a blast. But that's only about 5% or maybe 10% of the time you spend when you're on a trip. The rest of the time SUCKS. You're a cog in a machine, a piss ant that the airline couldn't give 2 shits about. And no offense to any airline pilots here, but you might not like hanging out with a good percentage of them. You will find the work very very boring.
TLDR -Flying fun, 95% SUCK.
Practice medicine, buy a plane.
(And make sure you get plenty of good instruction by a good CFI. You don't want to hurt yourself.)
OrganicBrownMustard@reddit
If you can afford flight school you can afford a Mooney. You’re a doctor, become an AME and you can even offset the costs of owning it
kokomo1989@reddit
Move to Australia, become a ‘flying Doctor’ and do both at once!
scudrunner14@reddit
Just get your PPL and IR and buy a baron or something
MaterialDull9480@reddit
You guys realize this was an AI generated post right….
Money-Evening-2624@reddit
Doesnt scream AI to me, but I could be wrong.
Where does it seem AI to you?
MaterialDull9480@reddit
The double dashes. AI always uses them.
Money-Evening-2624@reddit
Surprised I missed those, but you’re right!
Lanky_Beyond725@reddit
I did it about your age (slightly older). You can definitely make it worth it but it's a long road and hiring is a crapshoot with when you're done with all the hours you need. I caught the wave at a very good time for hiring so I've moved up very rapidly. I worked my old job until I got thru all ratings and then went part time to become a CFI full time for 1.5 years.
Sandvik95@reddit
Fascinating desire.
MD here - and not a pilot. I’ve flown right seat in small GA aircraft a lot, but never got my license and I just lurk here because, like you (OP), I like planes and aviation.
First, it’s not too late to make a change. I was 32 when I STARTED med school. Didn’t get out of residency until I was 39. Ignore the number.
But wow! To think about giving up a career that is high paying, highly secure, allows you to contribute to the health and care of others, is something I would think three times about.
Plus, before going into aviation in order to fly large passenger airplanes, I would do a deep dive to insure I wasn’t just romanticizing the role of an airline pilot. The fact that you don’t want to start slow worries me. The romantic vision of a specific job almost always disappoints people when they get there.
You love flying? Go fly! Go get your CFI, but don’t quit your day job (or nights if you are a nocturnist of some form). Find a part time job as a doc (not sure what field you’re in, but there are often many options that people fresh out of residency don’t think about) and fly, but don’t quit doctoring with out deep thought and more time.
I would go to both a therapist and a career counselor before making any changes. And you can DM me if you’d like. As someone who has been through a few careers, including 20+ years in the Em Dept, I’d be happy to talk.
ashishvp@reddit
Bro wtf no.
Be doctor. Make money. Fly planes for fun. Pursue your passion.
Probably become an AME as a side hustle and retire comfortably from doctor life.
Kein-Deutsc@reddit
As many have said, get your PPL. You can probably afford it. Don’t commit to anything this early on. You are probably too smart to be an airline pilot who does the same thing every day for 30 years.
I am sure that every airline pilot would love to own and fly their own aircraft whether it be a Piper Arrow, an SR22 or a TBM, and do so affordably. The point is as an owner you have the controls and you can enjoy it far more than if it were your job. The aircraft doesn’t normally make flying fun, the flying itself does.
As a career pilot you will be away from home a lot and your personal life will be weak.
As a doctor you could fund your own aircraft and have more fun and fulfillment than most pilots.
HorrorPrestigious802@reddit
lol don’t.
Killydilllied@reddit
I’m not a doctor, but have my doctorate in another medical field and am pursuing aviation. Keep your licenses active as fall back or work PRN during training. I worked full time in healthcare during training and plan to continue both until hired at legit commercial job. Most people in this sub don’t understand how soul crushing medicine can be, we see how finite life is and I say if you have the flexibility, go for it. I would not borrow for training.
bigdcards@reddit
41 year old firefighter here. ......im making the switch........so can you.
PostVertigo@reddit
I’m a 29 year old FO. There’s another FO I see often in his early 40’s who’s been here for about a year since leaving the medical field a few years prior. Nice guy and definitely says he enjoys what he does now a lot more. However, he did mention that it took him a hot minute to get his first FO job but it was definitely the right timing (and a bit of luck) that got him there.
Given it is a challenging market and field, but it’s constantly changing so do with it what you will.
Best of luck to you!
Mike734@reddit
Glorified bus drivers? Major airline pilots make as much or more than the average doctor. There are about 100,000 pilots versus over 1 million MDs. And airline pilots have far better and more interesting working conditions. Oh, and get more days off. It’s a good gig. Doctor? Not so much.
Several-Village5814@reddit
Still a glorified bus driver.
noBuffalo@reddit
Ya some of the replies in here are wild. There is no better work life balance in the world than being a legacy airline pilot.
PGpilot@reddit
Become a rich doctor and buy your own plane my man. Making a career out of a hobby or passion can be one of the fastest ways to deflate the love for it. Not always, but high risk of occurrence.
USMC_SNAFUUU@reddit
From one professional to another, I’d strongly discourage making a full career shift right now. I’m an attorney, and I went through years of professional schooling, licensing exams, and low-paying entry-level positions—likely similar to the path you experienced in medicine.
I also wanted to be a pilot growing up. I earned my PPL in high school and was fortunate enough to have my grandparents pay for the training. However, this was during a time when entry-level regional pilots were making very little. I was told something similar—that pursuing an airline career would mean financial instability.
I’m 30 now and still love flying. While the economy has shifted and pilots are currently in demand, those conditions tend to ebb and flow. Your medical career, by contrast, is stable and will always be in demand. You didn’t mention it, but if you have a partner or hope to have children one day, a major career change could add significant strain to those plans.
My advice is twofold:
1) If you truly can’t wait, consider joining the Air National Guard. It’s not the same as flying an E175, and the process is highly competitive and selective, but it would allow you to continue your medical practice while fulfilling your desire to fly.
2) Pursue flying on the side. Earn your PPL, then your CFI, and instruct part-time. That would let you stay connected to aviation without sacrificing the stability of your current profession.
Several-Village5814@reddit
There is a supply surplus of pilots
WurdSmyth@reddit
You need to look at being both a doctor and a pilot. There are programs where doctors fly to areas that are under served to treat patients, sometimes in foreign countries. I would look at things like "Doctors without borders" or "Orbis Flying Eye Hospital". This way you could have the best of both worlds.
venoustaxi@reddit
Here’s my counterpoint. I went to a competitive medical school and then residency. I considered leaving during medical school but kept trying to stick it out. I got to the point where I was so miserable I couldn’t keep going in clinical practice and had to find something else. I work in medical communications now and my colleagues are smart and kind and creative. Every time I thought about leaving medicine, multiple people told me that I couldn’t or was ruining my life. You don’t want to get to the point where you physically can’t do it anymore. It was hard leaving because I felt like a failure but I’m good now. You can do this. It will be hard but leaving medicine is doable.
fortinbrass1993@reddit
If it’s bothering your this much then do it. But with your doctor thing, can you make sure you can go back if you wanted to? So in a way you have a safety net.
Some people say it’s dumb because you invested so much into it already.
But will you still have the same thought when your old and stick regret not doing it?
I finish my electrical apprenticeship, going to stack some money and go into flying. Should I have done it before my apprenticeship? Yea.
I should have not gone to school for stupid business degree as well. Too bad.
I feel like you should. It’s been this long and you’re still thinking about it. And I’m a bit older than you so go do it. And if it don’t work out go back to be a doctor.
Several-Village5814@reddit
You are crazy
Pilot125@reddit
One of my colleagues at a regional still practices as in the ED. Might be wise to open up your schedule to tackle flight training head-on, but no need to give up one to do the other
AdvantageMain3953@reddit
The way our society is going it is nothing more than a well-paid, glorified bus driver. you already have the well paid part figured out.
pilot here no disrespect to profession intended
Worldx22@reddit
Do it. You only live once. Even if aviation dries up you can always practice medicine.
kekfzmam@reddit
So I’m a cataract/cornea surgeon (ophthalmologist) and also pilot (AMEL/Commercial/IFR etc), and part of the magic of flying for me is doing it on my schedule, where I want to go, in a plane I get to manage… it’d be different to be employed on someone else’s time when we’re used to being in charge of our own schedule. Having flown commercial charters before medschool and now working as a doctor, I’d say get all the ratings and training and buy a plane before cutting ties from medicine because it’s just too good for lifestyle being able to do both
WollyPollyOlly@reddit
I just switched careers at 33 from law enforcement to aviation. Everything happened exactly the way I planned it out, so this is best case scenario.
-$70,000 minimum to get all required ratings through MEI. - 1 year of instruction or 700 hrs dual given. -Contract flying on the side in cirrus aircraft ($650) a day. Started around 300 hrs TT. -1500 hrs later (2 years ish), earning around 30k a year between instruction, corporate flying, and working part time law enforcement finally got my first cargo gig paying 75k. - long days, quality of life not the best at all. A lot of stress…
I’m sure I’m missing a lot here. But if I were in your shoes I would stick to medicine. Earn that income, get that quality of life, and literally fly for fun. Some of us have forgotten how to do that. Feel free to DM me and I’ll share more details if you want them.
AKStacker@reddit
I’m not a doctor, but my wife is. Medicine is terrible, especially if you are a family doc. I’m 35 and in the process of making the switch to aviation. All I can say is keep grinding as a doc and begin flight training on the side. As many have said the hiring market for pilots is currently rough so quitting your day job at the moment wouldn’t be wise.
sharkbite217@reddit
I mean, I hate to break it to you but…..
GaryMooreAustin@reddit
keep being a doctor - buy an airplane (but not a V-tail Bonanza) and just enjoy it 😄
Specific_Gas4322@reddit
A fool’s errand! Be an AME, buy a plane.
Subtle1978@reddit
Plenty of doctors own and fly their own airplanes. Much more fun than career flying.
Human-Iron9265@reddit
Keep your career in medicine and build your way up to CFI at least. No reason to rush or take on debt especially since the market has a lot of pilots looking for work currently. Many will get jobs eventually, but it takes time and those who settle for the long haul will make it. Went to school at ATP with a guy who was trying to leave medicine and eventually did get a gig as a CFI, but this was 2022-2023, not sure about how it would go now.
flybot66@reddit
Do it! But do it in a way that melds both careers. I know a number of locum tenens MDs that are flying themselves about the country to the next job. Or hook up with some of the charity medical groups that fly to patients in the outback. Flying a jet full of passengers to/from the same airports year after year will get old real quick.
Do me a favor, though. If you are going to fly yourself, be involved in it. Make time to learn and experience flying. Yes, you are smarter than your CFI / DPE / A&P / IA, but if you don't give piloting the respect it deserves, it will surely kill you.
Mossieoak@reddit
Oh my god I’ve never met anyone this close to my path as you are. I too wanted to fly and had family pressure to be a doctor.
I dropped out 3rd year of med school. I could not stand the hospital. I performed well but hated every single moment of my life. My parents drove me to go to med school. I never wanted it. I wanted to fly. I grew up next to a crop dusting business and watched them fly every single summer.
I murdered the academic years and 3rd year rolled around and I did a few rotations. I was in the first week of internal medicine and we had a complete prick attending physician. Always screaming like an autistic child. You know the type, no doubt. We had rounds one day and I could not remember the first line treatment for some condition. His eyes get all bloodshot and starts screaming. Mid scream I walked out, went to student affairs, and told them I’m done I’ll be cleaning out my locker. Dropped out, joined the military, separated, took my gi bill and started flight school. My parents were pissed but I didn’t give a rats ass. I get to fly fucking airplanes now. I never looked back for a second. I have lived life to the fullest. And I will continue to do so.
Now I get to study aviation every day. It’s much easier than studying medicine, for me at least. I have a conditional job offer when I finish my flight instructor training and could not be more excited. I started flight training when I was 31. I’m 33 now.
Some of the other commenters are right, the pay is shit, but you have something none of us have, a medical license. That isn’t going anywhere. It will be there if you run into financial need.
Go fly my friend.
Mrs_Fagina@reddit
Best path is to just fly for fun. The career is great, but imo not life changing enough to sacrifice what you have in the bag already.
Just don’t buy a Bonanza and you should be fine.
That Residence Inn located in Fuckville, IN wipes the shine off real quick. Flying on your own you can stay in the Four Seasons every night.
blueridgeblah@reddit
Does it beat the LaQuinta in Crapville, OH?
Prestigious-Elk-9061@reddit
YOLO. Same here, except I’m not a doctor. My passion for flying ignited when I was about 5, died out when I was about 15 for similar reasons to yours, and came back with a vengeance when I was 35. I’m in CPL training now, and am so glad I started the journey. I’ll just say a couple things you probably already know. Be smart about your finances, and keep as much work as a doctor as you can. Studying and training will be a grind again, but probably easier for you after having completed something as rigorous as medical training and education. Don’t make your happiness or success contingent on flying wide-body long haul, or even anything larger than an E175. Realize that even flying shitbox 172s and Warriors is still cool as hell. Just being up there is one of the best feelings ever. Enjoy the journey. Good luck deciding!
SSMDive@reddit
I'd stay in the career field you are in and work on ratings (and I did). Go get your PPL and see if you still want aviation. Then go get your IFR, CPL, ME and see if you still have the burning desire. In the meantime, I'd go get your PPL and then go buy a plane.
I think you will find flying for yourself is more fun than flying for work. You could buy yourself an aerobatic plane or a seaplane or both. You could buy a helicopter, gyrocopter, weight shift trike, powered parachute..etc or any combination of them. That is going to be much more fun than having to show up and fly some airliner to Bismark, ND after you have done it 100 times already.
I was kinda in the same spot you are. I make decent money in my current job and I kinda wanted to be a commercial pilot. So I went out and got the ratings and bought a plane. When it came time for me to jump, I stayed. At the time regionals were hiring anyone, but the pay was horrible. doing the math between staying in my current position and going to aviation.... Retiring at 65, the pay difference was negligible. Doing the math a few years later, I'd likely have done a bit better jumping, but right now low time jobs are damn near impossible to get.
I can't complain, my Wife wants me at home and not in a hotel 15-17 nights a month and I feel the same. I live in an airpark, have owned eight aircraft including aerobatic, seaplanes, gyrocopters, and a helicopter. That to me is a lot more fun than flying a 757 to Philly for the 100th time when I am told to do it.
Now, if you HATE your job, the advice changes... Quit reading after the first paragraph.
FrankCobretti@reddit
There’s an MD pilot at my legacy airline. He bids a minimum-time schedule and pulls ER shifts in his spare time.
If he could do it, you can do it.
And when your parents lay the “bus driver” thing on you, you can always respond with one of my go-tos.
*Why don’t airline pilots trash talk other careers? Because they don’t have to.
*Why? What’s your problem with bus drivers? Do find bus driving dishonorable?
joshsafc9395@reddit
Wouldn’t mind a gander at his W-2 😳
davidswelt@reddit
I'm a private pilot and plane owner. I find that 1000 hours in, flying myself for transportation is OK, enjoyable, but no longer exhilarating. In fact, I flew myself to Miami a few days ago, and as I was sitting with a beer under palm trees, I was commenting to my friend how I had to talk to some 30 unknown people on the radio, saying more or less the same things every time, making the same safety/efficacy tradeoff decisions and considering the weather and my fuel state. The moment it's unpredictable and not boring, the situation is invariably undesirable. (A little bit like performing a medical procedure, I guess!)
I wouldn't want to do it for work. The friends I have that do, they maybe enjoy some of the lifestyle (traveling to different places), but they don't enjoy the sleep cycles, being away from their partners, pets, and homes for weeks on end, the pressures of industry, checkrides, and medicals, and so on. The one cool job someone I flew with ended up taking was to be an astronaut. Houston, government salary - but you get to learn new tricks all day long.
If your specialization allows, consider emergency medicine, and then you can go on the heli. You could also do something where your employer does not make money with you billing clients. Think, pharma industry, teaching, ...
For flying, fly yourself and your friends somewhere nice in your own plane. It's awesome.
BasilProfessional09@reddit
Get a cirrus
RexFiller@reddit
Im a doctor and a pilot. Although I do it for fun and travel, not hoping to get to the airlines although I guess it could be possible one day.
Do not quit your job for flight training. Get your ratings up to CFI and see how you do. If you fail a couple check rides or find you dont like it, then just stick with medicine.
If you make it that far and want to continue then cut your hours in medicine and fly a lot to build hours until you find a flying job.
Its honestly pretty straightforward process since you already have a good job. But its a hard process.
swedishlightning@reddit
I’m a EM PA currently in the process of switching. However I’ve been a recreational pilot for a long time, which is what gave me the insight to want to switch. Plus, I’ve got 850 hours under my belt while still gainfully employed, which gets me a lot closer to the finish line. I made a gradual transition from “I work to be able to afford flying” to thinking I might want to fly for work.
I think you should absolutely get your private license and instrument rating as a first step. It’ll be fun regardless, and it will help clear up whether flying is truly a passion of yours. Also, this is the first step regardless of whether you’re doing this as a career or just a hobby, so go find a part 61 school/club and get started.
If so, it’s not too late to consider switching. I’m older than you, for what that’s worth.
4020_Driver@reddit
Man, if I were you, look into being an AME, and maybe joint an air guard unit as a flight doc, or even work for an aero-medical company as their physician (or a combo of those). You’ve worked so hard to get through residency, don’t give that up for an unstable career.
With all that being said, pursue your PPL, Commercial, etc, and buy your own airplane. I’m an aircraft owner (just an aircraft mechanic, not a doc), it’s one of the best things I’ve done.
Bubbly_Upstairs6160@reddit
It’s too late. Every job in this hiring boom that is past its peak is already taken by someone ahead of you in the process. If it were 2015-2020 different discussion. Sorry.
Poobbly@reddit
Do it. Why not? You’ll live in regret if you don’t.
Poobbly@reddit
Alaska Bush Pilot Doctor?
Kilobuster@reddit
One option I haven't seen mentioned, if you have an Air Force Reserve/National Guard base nearby, go and talk to someone there. They'll probably wanna make you a military doctor right off the bat but if you are clear with your intentions and if the stars align, they can fast track you to become and officer and put you through flight training all paid by uncle Sam.
And after training you can be a doctor as a civilian and an AF pilot part time. Now, you are still a resident so I don't know how much break in residency training you are allowed for flight school/military training and all that. If you are dead set on leaving the medical profession then perhaps active airforce may be an option for you as well.
If this option sounds appealing to you, you have to move quick and call or go to your nearest base today or tomorrow. A quick search says you have until the age of 33 to do this.
All the best to you.
SorryNoMic@reddit
Second career commercial pilot wannabe here!
I’m also 31 this year, got my PPL in 2024. My wife and I came up with a game plan that involves saving up to finish the rest of my ratings and certs, plus her securing a job that can accommodate my future full time training.
I would recommend getting your first class medical first. It’s gonna suck if years down the line, you reached the magical 1500 hours just to get disqualified because of some underlying medial issue.
You should absolutely self fund your PPL first. A lot of folks, or according to street number, 80% of student pilots don’t finish their PPL. You will know if you really like flying or not half way into training when you inevitably hit a wall. Worst case you’re a happy doctor with no flying debt that can fly for fun!
Lastly, and I feel like this step is usually in the back of people’s mind, talk to your family (if you’re married) to make sure they’re aligned to your aspirations!
Attackpilsung@reddit
Look up USAF Guard and Reserve Flight Medicine jobs near you.
Go take a three year sabbatical in military fight school then go be a fight surgeon for a squadron. I have several friends that took this path around your age.
joeyheynow@reddit
Be a doctor and fly GA.
novomindcoaching@reddit
Old doctor at 31 ???? Age is not a problem at all. My husband switched his career after 40. If aviation is truly you passionate, go for it. You can start from pursuing as hobby and see where it goes.
Weak_Tangerine_6316@reddit
There are stories of people going from the street to flying wide bodies or private jets in less than 5 years, so it’s doable. That said, the job market seems to be softening at the moment, but who knows what it’ll look like in a few years.
Presumably you’ve got plenty of money for flight school, and you’re smart and hard working. PPL should be doable in well under a year. IFR, multi, night, CPL in 2 years if you work hard and really commit.
It would be wise to figure out a way to continue working in medicine at least part time to pay for flight training, as it is expensive.
Be prepared for a significant lifestyle sacrifice for a long time. Low hours mean you’ve gotta start with bottom of the barrel jobs if you can find it. Once hired, low seniority means last pick for shifts/schedule for a while.
If you can find a way to work part time clinic hours during the first few years it’ll really help your finances. There are probably some interesting career options down the line if you peruse this such as an aviation medical examiner. NASA also seems to like hiring doctor pilots.
Fulcrum58@reddit
Damn man all I’ve ever wanted to do was to fly for the airlines, but if I’m making doctor pay you bet I’d be getting my PPL and buying a cirrus and a floatplane lol
squorch@reddit
Hey doc - former military instructor pilot here with medical family (dad ortho, mom CCRN, sister PT) - have you considered shifting to mil flight doc?
I've made many a hop with flight docs, who have monthly hours requirements they have to fulfill, plus they have to go through a flight training syllabus.
Happy to chat more if you're interested.
branda22@reddit
Wow and I thought I was the crazy one! With your future earnings you will be able to own a brand new cirrus, a big house, and Porsche 911!
sasspancakes_07@reddit
I think you should absolutely go for it. If all of these years have passed and aviation is still callling your name, I think you should try it. If you don’t go for it, you’ll spend the rest of your life wondering what could’ve been if you had tried. You have the financial stability to afford flight training, and an excellent backup career to fall back on if say it doesn't work out. (I've never heard of an unemployed doctor).
You truly have nothing to lose if I'm being honest. You'll have to be okay with making very little money at the start though, entry level pilot jobs pay nothing near as much as what you make as a doctor, but think of it as a stepping stone.
In the meantime I don't think you should quit your career, just until you pass all ceritifcations and get you first aviation job.
Again, you have to be okay with not making as much money but at the end of the day, it's your life and you deserve to be happy.
And you're at a good age to start, the retirement age is 65. I'd say definitely go for it so you don't live with that lifelong regret and wonder what your life could've been.
ltcterry@reddit
This is not an all or nothing question. There is a long, long path to becoming a ~~physician~~, uh, a pilot. You can start when you want and easily exit the training process at any point you like. With credentials and experience to be proud of.
Don't wonder if you should become an airline pilot. Sign up for training to become a Private Pilot. That's the first step to the airline world or the world of a rewarding hobby. If you finish, consider an instrument rating. Still a long, long way from airline pilot, but it makes you a much safer Private Pilot.
Put $18-20k aside to fly. If you're in the 20% that finishes then that's super. You already have good study skills. You're already a driven, focused person or you wouldn't be where you are today.
Lots of physicians fly. The best aeromedical examiners are pilots. They understand why it's important to keep a valid medical. Non-pilot AMEs don't always see things that way.
There's a now-retired orthopedic surgeon in my glider club. He used to own a small charter business. I have a client working on an instrument rating who does liver transplants. You will not be alone. Just be "Easy" please and not "Dr Flower." You will be welcomed for at least two reasons - one you are intellectually capable of doing it and have the drive to do so and two you can afford it.
A physician friend in the Navy years ago told me "Doctors are just as broke as everyone else; their bills just have more zeros in them." With modern reimbursement physician pay is pretty flat after the first couple years. Live well within your means whatever you do.
I flew for fun along side a career for 30+ years. Then took an opportunity to retire early and fly for a new career. No regrets with either.
Finally - throwing the math out at your science brain. This excellent video reviewing just-released FAA data will show you there's at least a 2x over production of entry-level pilots. Tens of thousands of them will never get a flying job.
JT-Av8or@reddit
I absolutely know of a 52 year old doctor that went airline. He bought an Aztec before he took any lessons. I know this because a friend of mine was going to be his CFI and asked me “This guy wants to learn in his twin. Doesn’t he have to learn in a single first?” I had to remind him, no. You can take your first lesson in a 747 if you have the money. USAF pilots did their first flights in a twin engine jet. It just takes longer to solo etc. Anyway, he did get all his ratings through ATP, burned $1,500 of his own gas, and did get on with a regional airline in his early 50s. No idea what happened after that.
I know 2 pilots who were active doctors and 1 who was a lawyer, and they split time between airlines and their practices. They all said flying was harder than medical or law school BTW. 😂
It’s totally possible.
WhenInDoubtGoAround@reddit
I’m a former physician who transitioned into aviation. I’m currently a flight instructor, making peanuts, but enjoying every minute of it. I feel fulfilled every time I fly with my students, and my only regret is not making the switch sooner.
Many people say that medicine is a “safe” career. Perhaps, but you only have one life, so why not spend it doing something you truly enjoy? And if it doesn’t work out, one can always go back to the “safe” job.
Finally, I’m reminded of this Jim Carey quote: ”I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don't want, so you might as well take a chance on doing what you love."
Virian@reddit
You can’t get your ATP without your PPL. Start taking lessons on the side and take it one step at a time. That’s what I’m doing. I’m a late 40s microbiology PhD and getting ready to schedule my commercial checkride. I fly at 6:30 AM before work. I wish I had started when I was 31.
AcceptableCrazy9486@reddit
I’m not a doctor, but doctor level earnings. I’m 41, have had the same thoughts. But financially just too risky. I have my own plane, I started my own maintenance shop, and working in CFI as a side gig to my full time job. Maybe one day I’ll retire in my 50s and then get to fly a jet.
400Volts@reddit
If you stay in medicine you'll be able to afford to fly a lot more most people with pilots licenses
coldcarb@reddit
I’m almost 39, I started at 37 with my PPL. The truth is whatever you’re feeling now will never go away. You’re either going to take the leap now or suppress it for another 10 years.
I started flying at 14, gave up at 16. All throughout my 20’s and 30’s I kept thinking “one day” I’ll become a pilot. Airports and airplanes made me feel emotional because I had so much love and passion for aviation.
I couldn’t suppress it any longer. At 37 I had to do sometning about it and I wish I did it sooner.
You don’t have to quit your stable job now, at least get your PPL. One step at a time.
Everyone is talking about the job market and the instability of the market which is valid, but are you willing to wake up one day at 41, 51, or 61 and say I’m glad I never pursued my passion? Are you willing to face the regret?
You never know what could come from aviation. All you can do is take the first step and see what happens.
yeeee_hawwww@reddit
Yeah, as most of the people are saying, get PPL, IR and just buy an sr22, fly for fun. There is a doctor on YouTube whole flys himself for surgeries, you can do that too. And expanses for the plane would be business expanse too, so better tax benefits.
Negative_Swan_9459@reddit
Legacy capt married to ENT here. I’d fly on your own for fun.
Switching at 30 is going to seriously impact your financial picture going forward. It’s true many major airline pilots earn just as much or more than certain doctors (with better retirement than virtually all) but best case scenario would have you hitting this point between 45-50 y/o in aviation (maybe never) vs aggressively saving if you stay in medicine. Many of the people switching careers at 30 don’t have much going on and it can make sense…but that’s not you. Unless you have some massive trust fund the aviation career is not the way to go. Buy into a cirrus partnership and get your fix like that.
Dense_Departure7455@reddit
As a 50+yo physician that wishes he could have an aviation career, I’d say do it. You can always pick up shifts during downtimes as a physician until you get to where you want to be.
One-Opposite-55@reddit
My $.02 as a pilot. Stay with your rock-solid career and maybe put some money aside for PPL/IFR training. The training pathway from beginning to regionals (at a minimum) is long, expensive, and NOT guaranteed to net you a slot.
The airlines do pay well, and airline seniority is a great thing to work towards. However, you already have the financial basis (or soon will). As someone who is in the aviation career field, my goal is to eventually get to a point where flying no longer is work, but a hobby. I love my job, but it’s a grind and a half in the beginning couple years.
s1xpack@reddit
Flying as a hobby is GREAT - you can choose what you fly (SEP, UL, Glider, Paraglider) you can stop.
Flying as a career CAN be great but it is IMHO the best way to loose a LOT of money. Become a flying doctor, aviation medic or similar if you are looking for connection points ...
Professional-8861@reddit
Everyone always assumes doctor = huge $. It can also means huge debt if you didn’t have another funding source like family or scholarships. So that has to factor into it. Pay varies widely by speciality.
The answer is simple - if you can’t picture yourself doing work as a physician for the next 30+ years, then don’t. Figure out what gets you out of bed in the morning and go do that. If money is the most important factor to you then there are going to be trade offs. But id argue if you’re a pediatrician or PCP, you’ll make more money as an airline pilot in the long run with less headache.
If you’re an ortho or other high paying speciality, you have to decide if the $ trade off is worth it. At those pay scales a new SR22 or meridian are in the cards at some point.
Another thought - I have a friend who is a PA. He’s been taking contract travel gigs for 6 weeks at a clip to move toward his goal of flying which is what he does on his 6 off weeks. Maybe that’s a way for you to test the waters and not throw away the skills you’ve spent most of your life investing in and grinding toward. Try before you buy.
Smokey_Bird@reddit
Not sure if this post is real or not. But if it is, here’s what you should do.
You have the funds. Get your pilots license. You don’t need school. Don’t even look at a college. Just start flying. You’ll accrue flight time while also figuring if flying is right for you.
Do not quit being a doctor in the mean time until you have a solid foundation in flying.
anonymeplatypus@reddit
In 10 years it still won’t be too late.
However, there are some VERY lean years ahead of you even after flight training. I would say, you should keep working as a doctor throughout your training and then keep working as a doctor to finance time building. You will be making a lot of money in the meantime with a job that you (presumably) enjoy while building your time for the airlines.
An added benefit of doing this is that you can also kinda push the decision further down the road, when you are better informed.
Headoutdaplane@reddit
Just do what other doctors do, buy a super cub
JBR1961@reddit
This is a longshot, but if the military still has dual rated “pilot-physicians,” you might inquire with a recruiter. Obviously not just any recruiter will know much about this, but possibly medical recruiters will. The military can make you a pilot in much shorter time than they can make you a doctor. You’re already a doctor and board eligible/certified to boot.
If they still employ them, they will be VERY few. So VERY competitive. The upshot is, you will potentially serve as an actual operational pilot, fighters or heavies, probably with additional or alternating duties as a flight surgeon. The downside? One of the first guys killed in Desert Storm in 1991 was a doctor: pilot-physician, Major Tom Koritz, MD. I’m sure you would incur several years of military committment as well.
Shinsf@reddit
Hi there airline pilot here who married a doctor.
Be a doctor buy an airplane and get proper training
frost08887@reddit
No. Please don’t
nothimwhy@reddit
There’s a Captain at Delta who is an AME and ED doc as well, so it’s doable if you wanted to do both in tandem.
I’m biased, but I’d say go for your ratings and see if your feelings charge during the journey. Realistically, it’ll be a good while before you get to flying at the airlines, but you could still make it to the majors and supplement your income along the way by doing part-time telehealth or AME stuff.
toshibathezombie@reddit
Age not an issue, but global politics, war in Ukraine, war in Iran, instability from the war in Venezuela... Oil prices, market volatility, lower consumer buying power, air space closures... It's a precarious time to be jumping ship into aviation.
Not EVERYONE needs/can afford to fly.
Everyone needs a doctor.
Personally I'd stay put. Make some money, even become an AME and buy your own little plane if you want to have fun flying.
Th3Man0nTh3M00n@reddit
The average age of a student pilot is 34.
CorkGirl@reddit
Know someone who left his cardiothoracic surgery residency to become a pilot - he recently retired after years as a captain. Another pilot I know has an AME who does part time GP, part time commercial pilot. A pilot friend posted about the BA Speedbird academy recently and informed me that the cadets on the last course ranged from 18 to 54. Remember watching an easyJet documentary series where they followed trainees and one of them was in his 40s too. My first flight instructor for PPL had come from IT but had always wanted to be a pilot really as well.
31 seems entirely reasonable in terms of age, if it's what you want. In a way, it's ideal - hopefully enough time that you're financially OK to take a cut for a few years, but not in it so long that you're too worn out to learn something new.
Others are doing a good job of raising the potential negatives and the alternatives to switching careers. Some pilots love their jobs and think it's the best thing ever, others not so much. It's still work! The hobby suggestion reminds me that there's an aerobatics company where one of the instructors is a radiologist. The balances seems to suit him.
Important_Fix3459@reddit
Just get PPL and fly for hobby. A career in this industry is all in or all out.
NoConcentrate9116@reddit
Oof, glutton for punishment on long grinds for careers huh?
This isn’t a route I would recommend coming from your background. If you’re debt free and a physician I would highly recommend you stay where you’re at and pick up flying as a hobby. Become an AME too.
flyingforfun3@reddit
If I were you, I’d work on starting a business and fly for fun. You have such a safe career path.
You climbed a mountain to be a doctor. Why not learn to fly on the side and see how you like it?
If nothing else you’ll have a great hobby, but if you truly end up loving it you can make the switch later down the line.
JSTootell@reddit
You gotta earn your PPL either way. So why not just start flight training and see where it goes? You don't have to decide to quit being a doctor now.
Hell, I started flight training a few years ago with the goal of change careers in my 40's. My hope is to retire from this career early and make the switch, in a decade.
Also, the grass isn't always greener on the other side. I've learned that the hard way.
FlyFastEatAss954@reddit
Your age isn’t an issue, tons of people start in their early 30s. Generally, from what I’ve heard, as long as you start under 35 you’re in a pretty good spot. Also, my school has a few students in their 40s.
As for your situation, if you’re this far into your doctor career, why not make aviation a hobby? You’re going from a very lucrative career to making barely minimum wage as a CFI. Plus, the market isn’t exactly great right now. It’s your life though, but I think you’re at a point where it’d be a bit silly to change careers.
JSTootell@reddit
On top, he could get a PPL and plane, and still be a CFI...for fun. My CFI was never a professional, just did it for fun, and mostly for local kids on a scholarship program. Plus doing Young Eagles flights, or Angel flights, to add a mission, while still staying a doctor.
AErrorist@reddit
Depending on their speciality, the OP might be able to take on locums shifts to compensate.
Melodic_Visual1595@reddit
You’ll see multiple threads here every week of people wanting to switch careers. It’s completely feasible with a whole lot of caveats. Even if you had all the money, time, and energy in the world to make it happen, there are so many variables throughout training that make this goal an absolute mountain. You can absolutely do it if you so choose, but before you do anything, go to an AME and verify you can get a First Class Medical.
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
Lots of pilots at the major airlines that just have high-school diplomas. It's a shame to throw away all they school you have completed ti he a pilot. You should continue medicine, buy a plane and build time and experience for a number of years. Get things dialed in financially and you can even become an airline pilot in your 50s if you're still feeling like having your own Cirrus isn't scratching the itch. I think its not uncommon for physicians to have a second career in the cockpit. And become an AME while you're at it would you. We need good medical examiners in this world.
ApatheticSkyentist@reddit
My honest best advice is to stay where you're at and buy a plane once you can. As a doctor you're likely going to be able to afford something nice. Buy a Meridian and fly your friends and family around. Heck go up through your ATP if you want to feel/be more trained.
Aviation is great, I love it. But it's like any other job. There are pros and cons and its certainly not all glamour. I can't speak for the airlines but for me as a pilot who flies a jet for a fortune 500 company only 5-10% of my time spent on the road is actually sitting at the controls. I'm more like a professional hotel guest who flies in between stays.
That being said... I'm always one to encourage people to follow their dreams so if you really can't live without giving aviation a go then dive in I guess. Don't quit being a doctor until you are ready to make a living as a pilot. Start with your medical. Go and get a first class in order to make sure you're gonna qualify before you spend any money on training.
31 is not late. I started flying professionally at 34.
yvery@reddit
Jump ship, get your cat 1 medical (im sure you’re familiar) and stay as a doctor until you get all your licenses. Then you can instruct full time and practice medicine part time till you make it to the airlines.
ultra_phoenix@reddit
31 isn't late at all, good time to start, you'll have a 25 year career at least.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
Hey everyone,
I’m a 31-year-old physician who recently finished residency and have been practicing for about a year now. This is something I really haven’t talked about with anyone because I don’t think most people in medicine would understand it.
Ever since I was five years old, my aspiration was to become an airline pilot. Both of my parents are doctors though, and medicine was always pushed very heavily. When I was around 14, I visited an aeronautical school because I was seriously interested in aviation, and I still remember my parents basically dismissing it as being a “glorified bus driver” compared to medicine. After that, the idea pretty much died before it even started.
So I stayed on the medicine path: college, med school, residency, the whole thing. Over a decade of training after high school. There actually are parts of medicine that remind me of aviation — high responsibility, procedures, teamwork, systems thinking, etc. — which may be part of why aviation still appeals to me so much. But ever since finishing training, I’ve been thinking a lot about what I actually want long term, and this keeps coming back up.
What’s weird is I’ve almost started avoiding airports entirely because they make me sad. I haven’t flown anywhere in about two years and usually just drive instead, even for long trips across the country. I pretty much only if I need to cross an ocean. Seeing airline crews walking through terminals gives me this uncomfortable “what if I chose the wrong path?” feeling.
Financially, I could afford flight training if I wanted to pursue it seriously. My concern is whether making a switch at 31 is realistic or just reckless considering how much time I already invested into medicine and everything I’ve sacrificed to get through all of it.
People have suggested flying recreationally on the side over the years, but honestly I don’t think that would be enough for me. My goal was always flying passenger jets. I’d honestly be happy flying anything bigger than an E175, but the ultimate goal was always long-haul flying on widebody aircraft eventually.
So I guess I’m asking:
-Has anyone here switched into aviation later in life?
Is 31 actually considered late?
-Does anyone know pilots who came from medicine or another professional field?
-And for those already in the industry, do you still enjoy it?
Appreciate any honest input
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