Is the weather really that bad? What's with the pork pie hate?
Posted by Butterflymisita@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 73 comments
I've been told it always rains in the UK. UK looks really pretty to me. Maybe its so green because of all the rain? And let's talk pork pie. I was born and raised in California and we have really good food there. But dude... pork pie sounds AMAZING. Anyways.... I've met a lot of people from the UK and I don't think you guys are quite as snobbish as I've heard over in in the US. I'd like to visit some day.
Rhesus-Positive@reddit
There's pork pie hate?
I mean, the jelly in the cheaper ones is a bit gross, but the ones from good places like Lishman's of Ilkley are like little pastry parcels of paradise
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
It's not a widespread "FUCK PORK PIE" type of thing, but a lot of people hate on UK food in general.
I've always thought pork pie sounds good though. I think I'm going to make some
kettlejuices@reddit
I have a feeling you're due for disappointment. While they can be nice, I would set your expectations a little lower.
Nuthetes@reddit
That's because... and I'm sorry OP, but many yanks are fucking morons who see a photo of baked beans and think that's all we eat rather than realizing its something we have as a quick and cheap breakfast before work/uni because it takes about three minutes to make and fill you up until lunch time.
English food is great--or can be great, as long as you don't go for the cheap muck. Pork pies from tesco are pretty shit, but if you go to a proper butchers or bakery then they are delicious--good meat, and sometimes with a stilton topping or an extra filling. I had a cranberry pork pie which was very nice.
Rhesus-Positive@reddit
Oh, that's because they heard a stereotype as a child based on the fact that our island had to deal with a decade+ of rationing and have resisted all additional information since
See also: our teeth
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Yea people are fucking morons. I grew up in Santa Rosa, California where everyone fingers themselves over wine. But I'm a reject and never was cool enough to be proper so I'm itching for this crusty, meaty, gelatinous, meat pie.
Have you made pork pie before? Is it served cold? I want to make them. Any recipes?
Rhesus-Positive@reddit
I've never made one myself, but my first port of call for British recipes is usually BBC Good Food:
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/raised-pork-pie
Ideally (to me) it's served cold as part of a picnic or ploughman's lunch, with a slab of mature cheddar cheese, a pickled onion or two, crusty bread, hot mustard, and some salad leaves
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Holy shit that sounds so so good! Thanks dude!
W51976@reddit
Not a massive fan of them myself.
EllaSingsJazz@reddit
It rains a fair bit but the weather is glorious here in my corner of England. I love pork pie!
W51976@reddit
Too much cloudy weather for my liking.
andyone100@reddit
January through to March is usually cloudy, wet and miserable, with grey skies nearly every day. It rarely snows, but if it does, it turns to slush quite quickly. It’s a temperate maritime climate. From April through to September it tends to be quite pleasant weather. Yes, it’s green because of the rain ( Ireland is even greener and even wetter!). A freshly made pork pie straight from the oven is very good. Try and find a good one of those-the home of pork pies is Melton Mowbray in the Midlands, so try and stop around there for a warm pork pie, on your between London and York.😊
W51976@reddit
Some summers are dull though. 2023 and 24 were like that, despite having a few weeks of hot and sunny weather in both years.
I hate it when it’s low 20s and cloudy for several weeks at the time. That’s poor for summer weather. More sunshine would be nicer.
andyone100@reddit
Well yes, you don’t pick the U.K. to come to for reliable sunny weather. If you come in summer, you might get sun, rain, some clouds, maybe even a few grey days. You also come for the culture (including pork pies), history, architecture and beautiful green and pleasant land😊
W51976@reddit
And antisocial behaviour, chavs, and work any benefit cheats, who roam public transport lol.
W51976@reddit
I say that in jest of course.
Yes, it’s one of the nicest countries when it comes to open space and countryside.
andyone100@reddit
Yes, and as I’ve traveled extensively, (about 80 countries as an old guy in his 60’s), it’s all the things I’ve said, and stands well against most other countries. IMO, I’m only a bit jealous of the way the Norwegians, who have a similarly beautiful country, have social and welfare systems that kill ours. But they don’t have the cultural and historical impact that we have, so we’re a pretty decent country.
HellPigeon1912@reddit
Yeah this is the real killer.
Yes there's a lot of rain, but the fact that even on the dry days the sky is grey in every direction, that's the real mood killer
W51976@reddit
Also, I like some snow in winter and a proper long hot sunny spell in summer. Some years we don’t get either lol.
Preferred Toronto weather when I lived there.
andyone100@reddit
Well yes, we don’t get the continental highs and lows of summer and winter. As a retired person, I travel frequently during January-March, to either the southern hemisphere or SE Asia/equator regions. By the time April comes along, I can tolerate the odd grey/rainy day, as I haven’t had the intolerable duration of rain/grey that Jan-March UK provides.
Bayff@reddit
Pork pies are fine, the horrible jelly stuff in pork pies is not.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Have you made them before? I think the jelly could be avoided. I can't say for sure though. I'm a pork pie newb. Never had it.
Bayff@reddit
It can 100% be made without the jelly. I think it just keeps the meat from drying out and increases the shelf life.
If you buy one from a shop, it’s likely going to have the jelly.
You can get more expensive versions that use an alternative such as stock or pickle.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
I won't buy one from a shop. They don't have pork pie over here in the states. It's weird because we have too much shit over here, but no pork pie. We should though.
Nuthetes@reddit
The jelly is just found in the cheap, supermarket crap. One from a butchers or farm shop is just meat.
VolcanicBear@reddit
The weather is alright, we just have a variety and you have to be prepared. At the moment it's a nice temperature but annoyingly windy where I am.
Pork pies are fine if you get ones without too much gelatin, and don't mind pretty high levels of fat. My wife is actually from Melton Mowbray, which is well known for pork pies apparently.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
I grew up in Santa Rosa, California. "Wine country". We're snobs too lol.
This pork pie though. Its sounds good. I love fat.
andyone100@reddit
Ah, the pork pie thing. If you just buy one in any supermarket, I can almost guarantee that you’ll be disappointed. You need to research your place carefully in order to really get a good one. It stems from a medieval recipe, which is partly why you don’t see them in the US. If you get one from the right place, they are really worth trying. If I was a US tourist in the UK, I would absolutely do my homework and check out the absolute best place which fitted my itinerary, to sort out a good pork pie. I’d do the same for fish and chips and mushy peas aswell, but that’s another post.😊
VolcanicBear@reddit
Salt and fat, the food of gods.
My nutritionist isn't a fan though unfortunately.
W51976@reddit
Constipation food as far as I’m concerned lol. It’s ok, but nothing special.
I prefer fruit pies.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Her hate is a good endorsement. I just may dive in. Head first.
Necessary_Spread_511@reddit
The weather has been covered
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https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/14038/why-do-they-put-the-jelly-like-substance-in-pork-pies#:\~:text=The%20jelly%20in%20British%20pork,which%20jellifies%20as%20it%20cools.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Looks a little grey, but honestly that looks really good. I have a sauce in my fridge right now that would slay those!
Necessary_Spread_511@reddit
Has to be HP sauce
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Got a few options when I looked that up. Are you talking about "brow sauce"? Tomato based?
Necessary_Spread_511@reddit
HP brown sauce and pork pie nom nom nom yummy for my tummy
Bose82@reddit
I was on a train to London once and I had 4 Americans sat behind me. The most vocal one (difficult I know) said the reason the UK was so green was due to the poor water infrastructure. Broken water pipes constantly leaking underground 😂
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Lol what the hell? Oh the UK is so poor and stupid their silly little water infrastructure just can't hold up. Makes them green though : )
Got any thoughts on pork pie?
Bose82@reddit
Delicious with branston pickle or English Mustard.
CMR1891@reddit
The UK landscape is absolutely gorgeous. Pretty much anywhere you are, you can see green spaces (maybe not in London and other built up cities), but up North where I am, you could be in the roughest area and still see fields of green in the distance. I often think that we take it for granted because we’re so used to it.
The pork pie is okay. The water crust pastry on the outside of a Melton Mowbray is the best pastry in my opinion, however, the meat is quite densely packed in. They are also often filled with ‘jelly’ around the meat and some people are put off by that. The flavour is nice though. In my house, we tend to have them at parties as part of a buffet, or part of a picky tea.. which is when it’s sunny, instead of cooking, you have a salad with lots of extra bits such as scotch eggs, mini cocktail sausages, pickles, sandwich meats, even leftover freezer bits like mozzarella sticks etc.
I would urge you to visit more than just London if you come to the UK. Scotland and Wales are beautiful, so is the north of England and Northern Ireland. We have great transport links, although people do moan about them and trains can be quite expensive, but if you have the money, many beautiful places are accessible via public transport.
W51976@reddit
Waterlow Park in Highgate, London. Lovely park with views of St Paul’s Cathedral and the London skyscrapers from 5 or so miles away.
evenstevens280@reddit
London has loads of green space. Check a satellite view of London on Google Maps and you'll be surprised how much green there actually is. In general I think UK does pretty well in ensuring there's plenty of green spaces in its urban areas.
CMR1891@reddit
Yeah the parks in London are lovely and well maintained. I know that a lot of tourists spend time in the built up areas though and don’t see much. Also, as someone who’s lived up North their whole life except for a year in London, I would definitely say there isn’t as much green space. For example, I’m surrounded by fields pretty much wherever I go
ResplendentBear@reddit
We're one of the cloudiest places on earth. Our weather is moderated by the Atlantic ocean. It's never as hot or as cold as inland countries.
This isn't directly related to pork pies, although pork pies are nice.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
I'm Santa Rosa, California. But I'm in Northern Idaho now. It's always cold and cloudy here. Well... not always, but a lot.
Have you made pork pie before?
ResplendentBear@reddit
No, they're quite a lot of work. There's the pastry which has to be made with hot water, then the filling, then the jelly.
Definitely something to buy from the shop, unless you're a keen cook.
Outrageous_Bar6729@reddit
The UK really isn't snobbish at all, historically there was maybe snobbery especially as you moved up the class system but these days there really isn't much at all.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Yea I heae a lot of trash talk, but the people who have done the talking have never been there.
It's important to note that most people over here don't hate on the UK.
Pork pie? What's going on with that? I guess that's my main question. Does that shit slap?
Outrageous_Bar6729@reddit
I'm not a big fan but my dad is a pork pie fiend! He loves that shit and if my mum didn't stop him would probably have one the size of a plate every day! But if you like pastry, pork and a bit of meat flavoured jelly then welcome to heaven!
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
People are mentioning jelly. Is the jelly fat? I honestly think I'm a fan, but can't say yet. I want to make some. Does your mom make them herself?
evenstevens280@reddit
Shit slaps.
My cousin had a giant one made instead of a wedding cake. Best wedding reception I've ever been to
Uncle_Zardoz@reddit
They very. Depends, too, on if you like eating meat jelly cold.
zombiezmaj@reddit
Nope. This is the sky right now and what is has been most days for last few weeks... it is only 68F atm. We complain because it changes temp too much to acclimatise - 68F today, 55F yesterday, 65F Monday and 72F Sunday 😅
To be noted... New York, USA has nearly double the rainfall compared to London, UK
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
Looks great. I'm from Santa Rosa, California, but moved to Idaho. Its grey here, been raining off and on, and is 38 degrees currently.
What's your opinion on pork pie. I guess my whole post is about this gelatinous wonder.
zombiezmaj@reddit
Ive worked in California and loved it 😊
And pork pies... I like it when its good quality and freshly made.
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
California is beautiful. Well... mostly. Its HUGE do theres so ugly spots.
Have you ever made pork pie before?
zombiezmaj@reddit
Yeah my favourite parts of California are LA to Sam Francisco and everything in-between.
Never made a pork pie myself. My nanna used to make awesome ones though
Sea-Still5427@reddit
It usually rains on the west side of the country - that's why it's so green and lovely - but we've had beautiful weather recently.
I adore pork pies, but only if the pastry's still crunchy.
evenstevens280@reddit
Yeah it's a pretty green place because of the rain. Though it's not that we get necessarily get a lot of it - the UK isn't even the wettest place in Europe, for example - but we have a lot of days where it rains.
Also, a proper pork pie is incredible. Can't beat it
Butterflymisita@reddit (OP)
I want to try making them. We still have pork from the pigs we raised in our freezer. Have you made them before? Any recipes you'd recommend?
I'm starting to realize this whole post is honestly about pork pie. Are they served cold?
Feisty-Marsupial9287@reddit
Main difference between the weather in Britain and the US is it's unpedictability. On a global scale we don't really get any extreme weather, but our weather is amongst the most unpredictable in the world due to being caught in the middle of 5 major air masses.
If you're planning to visit London this July for example, the tropical continental air mass from North Africa could be dominant resulting in blue skies and temperatures of 35c+, but it's equally likely the polar maritime air mass blowing in from Greenland could be dominant leading to constant rain and daytime high temperature in the teens.
Hopeful_Evening4520@reddit
Pork Pies are a lovely delicacy. Hot with crispy pastry and lovely warm pork meat. Unfortunately, most people like to refrigerate them til their completely tasteless, dense and fully of cold jelly.
Satansrideordie@reddit
There is no pork pie hate, there is debate for preference on what’s best.
It rains more in certain places, I live in Manchester which is aptly called ‘rain city’ but isn’t close to the rainiest place.
It’s not that we are snobbish, it’s that Americans are usually in their own world and we are more open to the reality of the world outside of our country
Menyana@reddit
It's gloriously sunny this week (at least in Buckinghamshire), however we had maybe 3 dry days between Christmas and March.
We have a gorgeous green leafy country. There are lots of spring flowers in bloom. If you visit you should see Cheddar Gorge, the Cotswolds, New Forest and the Yorkshire Dales. Buckinghamshire is a good place to visit Manor Houses and gardens.
I love pork pies. I love cooking. My roasts are better than most pubs.
Like anywhere, some people can be snobby but most aren't. I work for a homeless charity so I'm surrounded by all kinds of down to earth people from different backgrounds.
nivlark@reddit
The weather's great, most of the year. Winters are cold and dark, but that's more to do with how far north we are. Right now, it's barely rained in a month, so if anything the farmers are getting worried that it's too dry.
Who says we hate pork pie?
PileOGunz@reddit
The weather is really bad from October to March it’s constant rain and overcast cloud to the point you’ll get a vitamin deficiency and probably lose the will to live.
Pork pies on the other hand are amazing.
AnneKnightley@reddit
It’s quite old fashioned now but I do love a pork pie, they’re pretty tasty.
Yeah the greenery is because of the rain so we do have pretty fields. To be honest it’s more changeable than constant rain (more rain on the west coast than east) and we get less sun than places like California obviously. It’s nice having some sun but I also like seeing the seasons change. Wind can be annoying though.
pinpoint321@reddit
The weather can turn at a moment’s notice. There are no guarantees even on the nicest days.
Pork pies are incredible. It’s basically coarse sausage meat densely packed into pastry what’s not to love.
Toatkgstuff@reddit
The UK has proper four seasonal weather. And it is always a mild version of each. It does get a bit colder and wetter in the north and in Northern Ireland too. The contrasts in seasonal weather and light really make you apprecaite the differences. And yes, there is green everywhere.
There's no bad weather, there is only inappropriate clothing ;)
People in the UK are snobbish, there are always class differences and regional enmity, but it very mild and mostly done for jokes.
You have to understand British humour, if someone makes fun of you it is just a test to see if you can take it. A lot of it is self-deprecating anyway, and we do it to offset the appearance that we are arrogant or snobbish.
Mostly we are pretty chill and loking for laughs.
It is a strong contrast to some cultures (like east coast US) where emotions are very open., The British reserve is in place to keep the peace.
Swimming_Possible_68@reddit
No, it's not that bad at all.
Never really particularly cold, never generally that hot.
Although when we do get a heat wave (which is happening more frequently) - as we don't really have air con (What's the point for the handful of days we would use it?) it is pretty miserable, as it's always pretty humid and our houses are designed to retain heat.
As for rain, personally I don't feel like it rains that much. And part of the reason it's green here is because of the rain.
I remember visiting Southern California years ago in September and being amazed at how.... yellow it was! Souch dried grass! No wonder you get such bad forest fires (loved my time there BTW).
As someone in Melton Mowbray pork pie belt, pork pies are awesome! But incredibly heavy... You don't need much.
Separate_Crow_2990@reddit
I’m from Glasgow, and we can have pretty miserable weather - but today is 20°C, sunny, and I’m sunning myself in the garden, so not always dreadful!
Every country and every city, and every town on the planet (and I will include any alien planet too) has snobbish people. The people living across the UK and its four countries will vary as much as any other.
nonoanddefinitelyno@reddit
Having.liced in places that are brutally hot AND brutally cold I will take our pleasant climate ANY day of the week.
Our country is beautiful and glorious. Because of the weather.
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