How bad are Kia Souls as a first car?
Posted by Ok-Macaron6037@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 77 comments
I (20F) am looking for a cheap used car as my first car mostly to get to work and run errands, nothing crazy. Are Kia Souls THAT bad? I know people don't favor the aesthetics but set that aside for now. Every used car I see has a low reliability rating, and I am losing my mind trying to find a cheap used car thats cheap to work on and wont have major problems. Any advice/recommendations would be helpful, I've only been told to look around the 100k mileage zone.
HistoricalAd6850@reddit
Prior Kia tech here, if a Kia soul was the first car in the shop that day, it was gonna be a bad day the rest of the way.
Do not buy a soul, it will deteriorate your soul truly. Kia’s are not reliable, nor are they worthy of American roads, not because they’re Korean, rather the potholes and bumps will gnaw the bushings away.
All in all, stay away from Kia’s, and go for a Honda
CahTi@reddit
telling someone to go honda strictly when the 1.5T are shit isn’t the way to go, if it’s a non cvt and/or a 2.0 non hybrid accord, go honda, if it isn’t, steer clear
HistoricalAd6850@reddit
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CahTi@reddit
Im just saying Honda reliability isn’t all it’s been chalked up to over the past 10 model years, definitely a lot of nuance in there now.
Left-Impress4056@reddit
Right? Three inje tor jobs in the last three mo ths for me, two of them got the dealer to pay for them, lol.
xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit
Anything with the normally aspirated K series should still be a good bet. But yeah those 1.5 turbos seem to be doo doo ass
nicelikerice1@reddit
What about the new carnivals?
JMurillo1020@reddit
I trust in your experience. My dad has an 07 Sedona with 180k, probably just the luck of the draw though
HistoricalAd6850@reddit
If it’s a V6 then that’s a different story, they’re actually decent. The inline 4’s are another thing lol
zestypov2@reddit
My 2018 Sorento v6 was very solid...until it wasn't around 120k miles.
JMurillo1020@reddit
Correct, it’s a V6
badcat9@reddit
But the business problem would still be there right?
HistoricalAd6850@reddit
That’s just Kia “rebranding” really
badcat9@reddit
I mean bushing*
Tony-cums@reddit
That’s a Kia tech!!! Now here come the Kia boys to say they’re better built now!
Kent89052@reddit
But he's not a Kia tech anymore, maybe he has an axe to grind, how long did he last??
Tony-cums@reddit
Oh there we go 😂😂
Kent89052@reddit
🤪😱
HistoricalAd6850@reddit
Yeah lol, I still own an optima and am trying to rid of it 😭
This-Fisherman-7422@reddit
Kias are in general are terrible.... however the only high mileage kias I see are kia souls. So they must be doing something right. I would still stay away from kia and look at Toyota and Honda.
Diligent-Body-5062@reddit
I kept my 2014 Kia soul eleven years and 131,000 miles. I liked it, didn't cause trouble too much. Make sure you chance the oil, be sure you check the oil, be sure you change the transmission fluid.
ExcellentWinner7542@reddit
They are great because they are fairly reliable and light enough to push when they break down.
RepulsiveAnswer4202@reddit
How bad are Kia's?
Fixed that for you 😂😂
angrycanadianguy@reddit
What kind of budget are you looking at? And are you buying cash or financing?
ButterscotchKind495@reddit
Kia souls used to shit the bed enginewise a lot, like it's a doorstop before it hits 1000 miles. They may have gotten better or worse but research the year you are buying.
Longjumping_Cow_5856@reddit
There is a graveyard if dead and not worth fixing cars on every Kia dealers lot.
Really
ExcellentMaize4141@reddit
A quick tip: Anyone who makes blanket statements like "All Kias are bad" or "All Toyotas are good" without looking at the specific model/engine is an idiot and you should ignore them.
Ultimately it depends on the year Kia Soul you are looking at. Some are worse than others.
Zealousideal-Log-238@reddit
I owned a 2014 Hyundai Accent with the 1.6 GDi that went from 94k miles to 235k in the 5 years I had it. I gave it to my sister and she’s still driving it. Original engine and transmission, but the clutch is starting to go. No suspension components replaced and still rides okay for a subcompact.
Conversely I currently have a 2016 Honda Fit with 96k on and it throws intermittent injector codes, rides incredibly rough, the CVT is acting strange already despite being serviced at 60k by a Honda dealer.
My suggestion to OP would be a 2011+ Mazda 3, 2008+ Toyota Yaris, if you can drive manual then a manual Focus is a good bet, and if you do go Hyundai/Kia — grab a 1.6 engine over a 2.0 or 2.4.
derkfisch13@reddit
and ultimately the toyotas that are s-tier and hold value the most are the models made japan, not the models made in mississippi lol
SirFUBAR@reddit
In my experience, the Soul is Kia's most reliable car. That being said, it's still a Kia. If you like that profile/type of vehicle, I'd suggest a Scion XB. Same idea, better quality.
xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit
The Soul was part of a multi billion dollar settlement due to engine failure.
https://www.classaction.org/blog/new-hyundai-kia-engine-failure-settlement-covers-2m-additional-vehicles
Nodnardsemaj@reddit
I had a 2015 soul and the engine went at 20k. Warranty replaced it and then that one went out at 95k. No. Do not get a Kia Soul! 😭
Tony-cums@reddit
This is the average Kia owner experience.
stulogic@reddit
Conversely I thoroughly abused one to 165k from new, no servicing, minimal oil changes, beat the absolute brakes off it on and off road. Only issues was a mouse eating the injector wiring and a headlight switch went funky and kept killing the battery. Still going in my ex’s custody I’m sure, it’s like the top gear Hilux.
I wouldn’t recommend one on the grounds of hating them, but it took it like a champ and clicked 30 of the lower 48 states.
gettin-hot-in-here@reddit
i had a Hyundai Accent. same engine, but the engine went to crap around the 100k miles mark
noladutch@reddit
Yeah the xb is always the answer but finding a clean one is almost impossible. When you do they will floor you with the asking price.
A first gen xb with about a hundred k on the clock and clean as fuck is gonna be around 7 to 10k. That is crazy money when you consider in 04 when the were new the MSRP was under 14k.
Not saying it is the wrong answer but certainly not the cheap answer anymore.
Was shopping for one as a cheap around town car to keep miles off the truck. Then I figured 7k plus all costs is about three years of the trucks fuel.
Wife still wants one so on the look out for the one human who doesn't know what they are selling.
But yeah the wife wants a clean manual xb.
mcsuicide@reddit
friend's manual xb just got to 300k. I've gotten to drive it a few times and it's a fun box with great cargo space.
SirFUBAR@reddit
Funny, because in Florida I see XBs in pretty good shape all the time for fair money, but the Elements (especially SC) are always listed for insane prices.
noladutch@reddit
Yeah but the manual element is a rare thing to find not the xb.
I can drive just about any shit box if I can row gears.
bmxracers@reddit
Yup. Scion XB would be a good fit for you OP. It may be older than you prefer, but it will get you to your next car without breaking you.
Ashton-MD@reddit
Kia Souls slowly drain you of yours.
NeelSahay0@reddit
My uncle’s Hyundai sonata had rod knock before it hit 100k miles.
steerbell@reddit
I have a 09. Not a bad car they burn oil so you have to check the oil a lot. Mine has been pretty dependable and they drive ok and have lots of room. If you can get one for a very good price and/ or really low miles they can me a good choice. Not as well made as a Toyota or Honda but can be significantly cheaper on the used market.
PerformanceDouble924@reddit
The Kia Soul is the 11th deadliest car on the road.
https://www.jalopnik.com/these-are-the-deadliest-cars-on-the-road-1851713665/
CompetitionNo3844@reddit
My opinion is dont get anything with Kia or Hyundai GDI engines. If I were to get a Kia Soul, I would purchase year(s) 2022+ with MPI engines.
Retired-Jedi-Knight@reddit
I've owned a Soul and Seltos. My wife drives a Sportage. My son has the K4. All of them have been great. I would still have the soul and it would have been going on 12 years 110K miles, but my son was in an accident with it and the insurance said it was totaled due to age and nothing else.
Just keep up on the maintenance amd everything will be fine.
The only issues to be honest with Kia is not the car, but the dealers. We live in the Chicago area. Stick with McGrath or Gerald Kia and avoid Napleton like the plague. When I got my Seltos a year ago Gerald automatically throws in a lifetime engine warranty and at the time they gave me 5 years free oil changes because I bought from them previously.
The Sportage came from Napleton and at the first service maintenance, the agent inspecting the car didn't have a cap on a marker in his hand and wound up drawing a line down the side of the car as w he did his walk around. My wife watched him do it, screamed at him, the service manager watched the camera footage or him doing it, and still tried to tell us the mark was there when we brought the car in.
Firm_Mycologist9319@reddit
I bought a 2014 Soul as my daughter's first car. When she left for college, I drove it for a couple of years. It served her/us very well. Easy to drive, great visibility, lots of room inside, and we had zero problems with it.
ApeMan_Drangus@reddit
My 2012 developed engine knock at 135k miles. Meticulously maintained, oil change every 3k, tool valve cover off, pristine. Borescope showed pitting in two cylinders and low compression on those two. Never. Again. Fuck kia.
Dirty_Butler@reddit
On the plus side it won’t be your first car for long, you can pretty much steal them with a screwdriver. I’ve had two abandoned on my street after being stolen
Doberman831@reddit
My mom bought a used Soul with 60k on it. It has been trouble free now for 3 years. That being said, I’d take a Honda Fit over the Kia soul any day.
fatmanjogging@reddit
In August 2017, I bought a brand new Kia Soul. I managed to get 216,000+ miles out of it (Kias aren't supposed to live that long) but not without the following issues:
Finally, replacing the engine
Around 98,000 miles, I started getting noticeable misfires and rough idling. I took it to my local Firestone (as the warranty was up by this point) and they replaced the spark plugs. Apparently that was not part of the previous engine replacement (insert eyeroll here.) I had suggested maybe the fuel injector had issues, but the guys at Firestone insisted it was just the spark plugs.
At about 110,000 miles, the same thing happened again. I took it back to Firestone, where they were now saying it was the fuel injector. They didn't want to touch it because they thought it might need some sort of proprietary computer stuff done by a Kia dealer. (It did not.) I ended up having to pay $1700 to a Kia dealer for that job. Surprisingly, Firestone admitted they should have listened to me at first and refunded the entire cost of the earlier tune-up. Good on them.
At three points in time, 2019, 2022, and then finally in January of this year, my car was broken into. The first was before the Kia Boyz thing when I parked in a bad area. The second and third times were in front of my house. The second and third times both required insurance claims to replace the broken glass and steering column.
Along with the most recent break-in, or possibly because of it (wires crossed and all), my alternator got fried. The shop that did the steering column slapped a junkyard alternator on there for $80.
I went through a lot of tires, brake pads, and around 160,000 replaced the front and rear suspension.
Throughout my ownership both engines burned oil. With the second engine, I switched from the manufacturer's maintenance schedule to getting the oil changed every 3,000 miles like you'd do with a 30 year old car. That helped a lot, but for the last 20,000 miles, I still had to add between 1 and 2 quarts of oil between scheduled oil changes.
When it was working, this car was good. Comfortable, fun to drive, a lot more spacious than it looks, and excellent heat and A/C. After the Kia Boyz stuff, the car became a major source of anxiety, as I was always worried I'd walk outside in the morning and find a shattered window - or worse, no car at all. A push-button ignition would have prevented two of the three theft attempts, but hindsight is 20/20.
TL/DR: The Kia Soul is a decent first car. It's good if you don't think about the mechanical stuff. But if you don't pay attention to the mechanical stuff, it'll go from good to bad in dramatic fashion.
Don't get one with a traditional ignition. Opt for a newer model with push-button start. And make sure you check the oil frequently, and keep a quart on hand just in case. You'll also want a steering wheel lock if you live in a big city, especially if you have to park on the street. The Kia Boyz are still around, and they will pounce on the opportunity to try and steal your ride if you happen to forget to put the lock on your wheel at night.
Or.... hear me out... just get a used Corolla or Civic.
fatmanjogging@reddit
Also, a Toyota Camry with 100,000 miles on it still probably has another 150,000 miles of life in it, if maintained properly. Plus, it'll be cheaper to insure than a Kia Soul due to the Camry's very boring aesthetic.
TremorOwner@reddit
My wife bought a new Soul ! (Exclaim) In 2016 it was a great little car the engine blew at 70k miles it was replaced for free then we got a lifetime engine warranty from Kia. We would still have it i was T-boned in it totaled the car out.
The car had great ac and heated seats, nice infotainment, panoramic roof, rear heated seats. It was fully loaded.
rjs9152@reddit
Terrible!Dont!
GreenEggplant16@reddit
You’re gonna be taking a huge chance that it breaks down. People who have Kias which don’t break down are those who maintain their vehicles well. Those people probably aren’t selling them. So inherently whatever you choose to buy will be more prone to failure. Especially if it’s a multi owner or rental vehicle. At 100k miles the chances the engine grenades itself is very good.
fatmanjogging@reddit
I maintained mine meticulously and it still broke down lol - but, to its credit, it never burst into flames on the side of the highway.
shleepy_toki_V@reddit
Skip the Kia, if you’ve got the money Honda, Toyota OR Mazda, Mazda’s often overlooked but they’ve got quality cars that can be found on marketplace for cheaper with great reliability as well.
troglodyteoflove@reddit
Get a civic or Corolla.
toiletsurprise@reddit
I bought a soul as my first adult vehicle and it has been nothing but reliable and does everything I ask of it and more. I have not been nice to it either and it still trucks along 170k miles later. Consumables and a timing belt change is all I've had to do to it. It is a first gen though which seems to not have the engine or wiring issues of the later gens.
Zealousideal-Leg-531@reddit
My first car was a Kia. Perfect for a first car tbh, not too much power but still safe. Can't speak to its longevity though only had it 4 years
Not_Sure__Camacho@reddit
I had a Kia that held up ok. The transmission did dump after 50k miles, but it was covered under warranty.
Get a new one and sign up for Uber eats, and other gig work as long as you don't have responsibilities outside of work. Do enough gig work to make payments.
parker_db15@reddit
They are the most stolen guess you haven't heard of the Kia boys or the lawsuit against Kia and Hyundai I'd pass on buying one.
Entire-Revenue-6578@reddit
I bought one for my wife. A 2016 KIA Soul. Great car. Has way more space than it looks from the outside. Great on gas. Never had issues. My is short. And she loved driving it. We purchased it used with like 17k miles.
rottenbox@reddit
I have a 2012 Soul with ~100,000 miles on it. It has been great for me. Bought used 8 years ago. Besides the normal wear items like brakes it has needed nothing but fluids. It's due for some front suspension work this spring but I can hardly complain at its age and mileage that some parts are wearing out.
Economy-Flower-6443@reddit
Depends on the year, older generation kia souls had a lot of issues. If you want reliability the easiest that you can find is going to be toyota corolla, camry, scion xd and xb, or honda civic, honda fit, honda accord.
You definitely can find reliable models from other manufacturers it’s just much easier to follow these models because they’re plentiful and consistently reliable for decades.
Competitive-Reach287@reddit
We bought a 2011 Kia Soul new and put almost 300,000 kms on it before selling about eleven years later. Only repairs were one wheel bearing, one swaybar endlink plus normal brakes/tires/oil changes. Only complaint was that gas mileage wasn't as good as advertised.
Tasty-Day-581@reddit
Yes, they are that bad, do not buy a used Kia Soul. Don't do it. The biggest expense on a used car is repairs, not purchase price. That's why you pay more up front for a Honda or Toyota. Unless you work on your own car, get a very popular car. Wait until later in life for a car with "personality".
nachi_w@reddit
My sibling has a Kia soul. Perfect car for ur use case. Although if you wanna go on a long trip where it snows then it's not recommended.
Madcorr64@reddit
I had 5 different Kias. They are good cars with great bang for your buck. As with any used car, looking into service history and getting a good overall check of the car is more important than the brand.
jonnycooksomething@reddit
I bought a 2013 Kia Soul (used) with about 75000miles on it for my daughter as her first car. It's extremely practical (she used it back and forth to college and all her horse riding gear). It's a little underpowered and cabin noise is quite high, but we found it to be a super little car. Reliable, cheap to maintain. No complaints
Cat-poet@reddit
I have had 2 Kia Souls, currently driving one. I had a 2019, then got a 2021. I absolutely love my car. I haven’t had any problems or much maintenance issues, and it is small so easy to park, while also being roomy on the inside
Mid_Night_Blackbird@reddit
Ah I remember back in college my (now ex) girlfriend had a 1989 Honda CRX that needed a bit of a maintenance overhaul so instead she bought a Kia Soul and within a few thousand miles it shot a connecting rod through the bottom of the engine block. Luckily she still had the Honda, at least until that was stolen in New Mexico and crashed into a brick wall. Point being I don't really mind the looks of the Kia Soul, but I'd never get one myself if the goal was reliability. Everyone I know who likes their Kia/Hyundai either has a performance variant (GT or N-line) or they have an electric car.
loweexclamationpoint@reddit
Kia gets a way worse rap than it deserves here. As beater cars, the amount you save vs buying a Toyota is significant enough to either pay for some repairs or just hang onto for a better car later.
When owning a beater, it really helps to be able to do some minor maintenance yourself plus have a significant tolerance for minor problems that don't affect reliability or safety.
mista-666@reddit
I feel like the Kia has a bad reputation due to it being easy to steal, though I've heard they develop expensive problems if they aren't well maintained and there's no way to really know how well the previous owner took care of it. There's this youtuber named the car wizard who has a series of videos on what cars to buy https://youtu.be/m5OXNsOLl_g?si=1jzr_PPaWD4Y51_g could be helpful for you.
Another car to look for is Mazda, the 3 and a cx-3 are both cheap to maintain and find parts for. Good luck !
SailingSpark@reddit
I do not know about the new ones. I have a co-worker with a 1st gen he bought new. It has never given him trouble in almost 200,000 miles.
Talentless_Cooking@reddit
Brand new kia have issues, get a honda.
Adamas_Moustache86@reddit
I wouldn't read into long-term reliability too deeply for your first car unless you're planning to spend $8k or more. Just buy something that's in good shape today.